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Adding a new topic (Peak Oil) and changing my blog behavior

October 11, 2007 by Fred Bortz

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I've been spending too much time in long discussions about other people's blogs.

Besides, I'm getting tired of the same old subject matter.

So you won't see my name popping up much in commentaries on physics arcana, and I am not about to go round and round on discussions of global warming.

Instead, I want to introduce a topic to which the blogosphere has not been paying sufficient attention. Peak Oil has been sneaking up on us, and it interconnects with many other topics, such as energy policy, global warming, and international affairs.

The link above leads to an old (2005) but not outdated review of two books on the topic. I am hoping that this and future posts will bring knowledgeable people with varying perspectives to contribute to an intelligent discussion.

To get things rolling, here are the opening paragraphs of that review:

After a summer of rising gasoline prices, two books that appeared in 2004 are worthy of renewed attention, especially when one of them, The End of Oil: On the Edge of a Perilous New Future by energy and economics writer Paul Roberts, has come out in paperback with a new afterword.

In the other, Out of Gas: The End of the Age of Oil, Caltech Distinguished Service Professor David Goodstein provides a more scientific view but reaches the same urgent conclusion: The Age of Oil is coming to an end, and the future is precarious. Demand for oil will soon exceed the production capacity of even the largest suppliers. The world's economy is heading for a painful transition.

I'm sure there are readers out there with more knowledge than I have on the topic. I invite them to respond here or to start their own blogs to keep this on the radar screen.

Comments

Old/new salvation from Peak Oil

November 21, 2008 by Fred Bortz, 1 year 5 days ago
Comment: 32983

Since this posting continues to get attention in the blogosphere, I want to call attention to my latest blog note on OTEC (Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion) as an alternative to OPEC.

Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)

i dont think so

November 15, 2008 by Anonymous, 1 year 1 week ago
Comment: 32888

there's actually a LOT more to this story... jump over to http://www.stuffididlastnight.com
cheers!

Peak Oil..

October 31, 2008 by Anonymous, 1 year 3 weeks ago
Comment: 32645

Peak oil is the point in time when the maximum rate of global petroleum extraction is reached, after which the rate of production enters terminal decline. The concept is based on the observed production rates of individual oil wells, and the combined production rate of a field of related oil wells. The aggregate production rate from an oil field over time appears to grow exponentially until the rate peaks and then declines, sometimes rapidly, until the field is depleted. It is important to note that peak oil is not about running out of oil, but the peaking and subsequent decline of the production rate of oil.

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Defining "Peak Oil" for what it is.

September 13, 2008 by Anonymous, 1 year 10 weeks ago
Comment: 31969

First thing I'd do is make sure I got the issue of Peak Oil right.

It's not a matter of cash cost inputs (although fuel prices do affect usage and how long it lasts), it's a matter of energy inputs. If I have 1 billion barrels in the ground and it takes 1.2 billion barrels to get that billion barrels out of the ground, it's not worth draining that stuff out. If the first .5 billion barrels takes .4 billion barrels to get, than maybe it's worth it but you'd better be either desperate or aware of stuff around the corner.

We've gotten most of the easy stuff out, a majority of the somewhat easy stuff out, a goodly portion of the somewhat difficult stuff and a start on the as-hard-as-it-gets-while-still-fruitful (Canadian Tar Sands). While it's possible that we could make a go at getting all the really hard stuff out, it's likely that the AHAIGWSF stuff will only be half-exploited (if that) before we either transition to a non-oil energy economy or things fall apart. And while I'm praying for the former, I don't expect it.

Also, check out "http://www.wolfatthedoor.org.uk" for an introduction to the topic.

Learn about Peak Oil with me

October 12, 2007 by Fred Bortz, 2 years 6 weeks ago
Comment: 25444

I asked an on-line friend who knows a good bit about Peak Oil to give me some advice to get up to speed.

I'll share his suggestions verbatim for anyone else who wants to contribute to this topic.

For the moment, I’d start with The Oil Drum website. Good lead article today on “The Shape of Oil to Come,” but it’s helpful to know where the decline rate figures come from. Get too far into it and terms like reserve growth, ultimate recoverable reserves (URR), cumulative production (Q) and various other jargon become meaningful.

Good introductory pieces are tabbed at the top of The Oil Drum website. Look out, or search for any articles by Stuart Staniford, “Khebab”, Westexas (Jeffrey J. Brown) and his Export Land Model, Euan Mearns, Ace, Heading Out, GailtheActuary (Gail Tverberg). Also Robert Rapier, who has his own blog, R-squared (or something like that). Kenneth Deffeyes’ second book is great (Beyond Oil: The View from Hubbert’s Peak) and Richard Heinberg’s “The Party’s Over” is useful.

The article by David Rutledge of Caltech (on TheOilDrum) is my source for the intersection of peak oil and global warming. Check his website for a video of his lecture on that subject.

For terrific background on growth (just review for you I’m sure, but some great things on population and energy at the end) is Albert Bartlett’s video lecture called “Arithmetic, Population, & Energy.” You can find it on YouTube sliced up into 8 parts. Careful, because some segments are posted that do not have the graphics. When you see “Part 2 of 8,” or something like that, you’ve got the right videos.

It looks like I've got some learning to do, starting with http://www.TheOilDrum.com

Care to join me?

Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)

Peak oil

October 15, 2007 by Anonymous, 2 years 6 weeks ago
Comment: 25498

In case someone says if only we had known remind them that fifty years ago Adm. Rickover gave a prescient address on this subject.

"For it is an unpleasant fact that according to our best estimates, total fossil fuel reserves recoverable at not over twice today's unit cost, are likely to run out at some time between the years 2000 and 2050, if present standards of living and population growth rates are taken into account. Oil and natural gas will disappear first, coal last. There will be coal left in the earth, of course. But it will be so difficult to mine that energy costs would rise to economically intolerable heights, so that it would then become necessary either to discover new energy sources or to lower standards of living drastically."

Barb -- the energy cost of

October 12, 2007 by Anonymous, 2 years 6 weeks ago
Comment: 25440

Barb -- the energy cost of extracting petroleum from oil shale is greater than what you get out of it, making it ineffective no matter how much money the oil companies are making.

The true and only feasible solution to our oncoming energy crisis is solar: with technology quickly advancing, solar panels now liberated from silicon chips (google nanosolar), and thus with prices very near dropping an incredible amount, it is very easy to see an economy with a surplus of energy coming from the ultimate clean and renewable source. Just the same solar is ideal for the consumer, as energy becomes completely free, unlike how it would be were we to transition to biofuels, hydrogen, fuel cells, or any other consumable technology. As an added benefit, the surplus of readily available energy will likely have a remarkable effect on "displacement," wherein more "work" will be done, allowing mankind to progress at our increasingly increasing(!) pace.

The danger is of course what happens if we don't transition fast enough. With oil prices skyrocketing over a relatively short time, as is required by the law of supply and demand couple with Hubbert's peak oil theory, the entire world economy would effectively crash with a pronounced snowball effect--lacking the SINGLE source of fuel that allows for products (think food, but everything else as well) to be transported.

We have Fusion Power Already

October 12, 2007 by Anonymous, 2 years 6 weeks ago
Comment: 25436

We have fusion power already... with gravitational confinement and a Mean Time to Failure (MTTF) of 5 billion years. It's called the Sun.

The problem with using solar power to supply the needs of an industrial society is concentration and environmental conflict. The energy flux density is low by industrial standards, but HUGE compared to our total needs. To gather enough of it to supply industrial needs would require covering ever growing square miles of land.

Indirectly we already to this on an industrial scale though agraculture. But agraculture is already diverting every growing square miles of land to feed our growing population. This has already severely distorted the natural ecosystems of much of the world. If we further burden it with 'bio-fuels' (which we have been using since we became proto-human... in the form of firewood), we are making a choice between food, fuel, or nature. The recent trendiness of calling bio-fuels "green energy", as in ecologically sound, it a lie.

Biofuels are simply not the answer for an industrial society... or even a pre-industrial society of more than a few hundred thousand people. The Middle-East was once forested, before the need for firewood consumed them.

Even direct solar to electrical conversion via solar cells on the ground is an illusion in the long run. Although I strongly support using them where possible, they won't supply enough energy for our industrial needs. To bring the entire human population up to the standard of living of the US, would require paving thousands of square miles of land with solar cells. This would spell environmental catastrophy.

Going into space would solve the environmental problem. Orbital solar mirrors, kilometers wide, but thinner than plastic wrap, would concentrate the energy onto solar cells or a heat engine to generate the electricity... then beam the power down via microwaves. A bit expensive to start-up, but doable. Freeman Dyson predicted that this would be the way that an advanced civilization would proceed, with the ultimate result that they/we would eventually build a sphere around the star, called a "Dyson Sphere" to capture all of the star's energy output.

Alternatively, we can gather energy through other means. We already gather solar energy indirectly through water power. The energy to deliver the water to the mountains that give us the water head to power turbines was originally solar. But there are only so many rivers to dam (and damn) and that has its own environmental costs.

Wind power is also really solar... but there are only so many places where local geography creates the funnel effect needed to concentrate the wind for surface mounted turbines. There is however, large wind resources higher up in the atmosphere. Geostrophic winds, commonly called the "jet-stream" has much more energy available and is presently accessable with current technology using tethered auto-gyro wind turbines. In the short run, this is a very viable option for generating electricity.

But, it won't be enough in the long run. The world economy is growing at 2% per annum. Interestingly, so is our demand for energy. The two are linked. At that rate, we will need far greater resources than even geostrophic winds can provide. So where else can we get energy?

One source is the earth itself. Ah... you're thinking I'm refering to geothermal... no... that isn't very useful, save for a few lucky spots on the world, which we should indeed be taking advantage of, especially for heating our cities. No, I was refering to the kinetic energy stored in the earth's rotation. Already some places on the earth allow for capture of some of this energy through tidal flow. One can dam or simply use a wind-mill like turbine to capture the energy in the flowing water. Actually, that geostrophic wind I mentioned above gets part of its energy from the earth's rotation... as does a hurricane or typhoon. But what if we could directly, industrially, tap the earth's rotation?

This isn't as nuts as it sounds. The possiblity exists using the same momentum transfer that helps a hurricane speed up its rotation. Any rapidly spinning object that is forced to change is axis transfers the energy used to force the change of axis into speeding up its rotation. There is an excersize "toy" available that can demonstrate this effect. Some even have generators and LED lights to demonstrate that it can convert external rotation to electrical power. Imagine the possibilies of engineering giant, high speed, artificial hurricanes, perhaps using liquid helium in cryogenically cooled pipes, kilometers in diameter... converting the earth's rotation into electrical energy directly.

-- Candice H. Brown Elliott

Fusion is where it always was -- unfortunately

October 12, 2007 by Fred Bortz, 2 years 6 weeks ago
Comment: 25429

Mr. Cook raises a common suggestion for clean energy.

Fusion power, in theory, seems like an ideal solution. In fact, in 1977, I worked with a group of excellent physicists and engineers who hoped to get a contract to design a test facility. The contract went elsewhere, but I have been watching developments before and since that time.

The science is fairly well understood, but the technological and engineering problems involved in confining and sustaining a plasma long enough to draw more energy out than you put in have been daunting. To use a bumper-sticker phrase, it's like trying to make a sun in a bottle.

In the 1970s, engineers were predicting that a practical fusion power plant was 30-40 years in the future. These days, although there has been continuous R&D work in several countries, including international collaborations, the most optimistic researchers are still saying it will probably take a few decades for fusion to be a practical source of power.

Now no one can predict a breakthrough in such a circumstance, and I certainly advocate continuing research at its current level (at least). But we certainly can't rely on fusion.

It remains "the power source of the future." The only problem is we don't know when that future will be.

Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)

How Hard Can It Be?

November 20, 2008 by Anonymous, 1 year 6 days ago
Comment: 32952

Production of useful fusion energy in short bursts is well documented. But the reaction stops as turbulence kicks in and robs the reaction of the energy needed to sustain itself. Ok. So, tame the turbulence. How hard can it be?

Re: How Hard Can It Be?

November 20, 2008 by Fred Bortz, 1 year 6 days ago
Comment: 32953

Production of useful fusion energy in short bursts is well documented. But the reaction stops as turbulence kicks in and robs the reaction of the energy needed to sustain itself. Ok. So, tame the turbulence. How hard can it be?

That was the question in the mid-1970s when I was working for a short time with a group at Westinghouse hoping for a fusion reactor development contract. It was widely expected that commercial fusion power could be achieved within 30-40 years.

Today, the expectation is the same: that it will take another 30-40 years to bring practical fusion power online.

In fact, throughout the entire period between then and now, people usually set the time frame as 30-40 years in the future.

So this is not an ordinary turbulence problem by any stretch of the imagination.

For that reason, although fusion power is still in the long-term hopes of many, those who want to be sure we have a practical solution are looking to renewable sources, "clean" coal (still unproven, despite all the political rhetoric), and fission (despite its problems with waste and nuclear proliferation) to replace oil.

Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)

Oil extraction from various sources

October 12, 2007 by Anonymous, 2 years 6 weeks ago
Comment: 25428

I know very little about this important topic, so I'm glad to hear that you will be taking it up. Again, from what little I know, as oil prices climb due to scarcity, it becomes feasible to extract oil cost effectively from shale and such. So what I've heard is that, although oil is of crucial importance, it's not as if we all suddenly run out and then there is a crisis. Oil will simply become more and more expensive. Of course, this will drive innovation even as it creates problems. I'd love to hear discussions about this idea and whether it is right or wrong--or even relevant.

Barb Oakley

So where has fusion gone?

October 11, 2007 by Robert A Cook PE, 2 years 6 weeks ago
Comment: 25420

It is striking that the ultimate (potentially) energy answer has been not only ignored, but not even brought up as an option in the oil-coal-nuclear fission-nuclear breeder-wind/solar/tidal mix: Fusion is simply not discussed any more.

True, it is not producing energy yet, but equally, it remains possible. No theorectical or fuel-source problems remain - only the "simple" engineering problems of getting it to work.

I'd much rather retain oil, coal, and natural gas for their real value (plastics, drugs and paints and clothing and dyes and medicines and lubricates and the milllions of other products) that we have absolutely NO other chemical source can be substituted.

To burn our future's resources for "the carbon value" is indeed, being fuelish.

The End of the Age of Oil

October 11, 2007 by Anonymous, 2 years 6 weeks ago
Comment: 25418

Oil is just recent in Human History. We had wondurful civilazations with out a drop of oil. It will be great when oil vanishes, and countries who just sit idle, will have to work.



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