An American President has a lot to do with science. As either a professional lawyer or politician, he or she often isn't qualified to evaluate scientific progress directly. But the President does have a responsibility to delgate that job to educated individuals and to delegate the oversight of that progress.
Most scientists felt pretty good about Obama's capacity to do just that, and the judgment of his transition teams has been positive. He's surrounding himself with competent people. But there may be some worrisome points when it comes to those in charge of his science policies.
A recent article in Time suggests that the transition team at NASA might be screwing things up, and that future manned exploration projects may be in jeopardy. The space program is one thing that the Bush administration got right, and it has been moving well towards good, definitive goals. Now that may change. (It's all in the article. Summarizing is just enabling).
We need a progressing space program. I understand that we're in a recession, and that it can be difficult to contemplate going into space when we have problems here at home. However, critics of the space program are invited to tell me when our problems on Earth will end. We went to the moon the first time in the 1960's! Besides the civil rights movement and the emergence of the Beatles, that was the best thing to come out of that decade. People need progress. People need heroes. People need to have their mind stretched, and they need to believe that great things can be accomplished even when the waters aren't calm.
I don't know who Obama's science adviser will be (My first choice: Francis Collins. Second choice: Bortz!) but I hope that all scientific divisions of our government-- NASA, NIH, NSF, EPA, etc-- have smooth transitions run by competent people.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1866045,00.html?cnn=yes
Comments
To Griffin's credit
December 16, 2008 by Fred Bortz, 49 weeks 2 days ago
Comment: 33396
Returning to the main theme here, I just read an article in the Washington Post entitled "Uncertainty Clouds Transition at NASA." In this case, he is certainly not responding as a "yes-man" would.
I give him credit for that.
When asked specifically about by the transition team about scrapping a particular rocket planned for the Moon mission in favor of upgrading existing unmanned launch vehicles to the level of safe for human missions, he considered that executive meddling in science, which is a sure recipe for failure.
The article states the following in a discussion of where he would draw the line and resign:
I agree. The outsiders should definitely ask probing questions--and perhaps that's all the transition team intended--but they should not get into the business of recommending specific technical solutions.
Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)
Space Technology is way too costly.
December 15, 2008 by Anonymous, 49 weeks 2 days ago
Comment: 33385
All this NASA stuff is a cover for militarization of space. Just think of the carbon foot print of putting one pound of payload into space. The energy required is enormous. Once space trips become common, we shall be using up so much oxygen as to start rationing it. It think UN should push for a universal ban on all space work and destruction of all the related infrastructure.
Re: Space Tech
December 16, 2008 by Renaisauce, 49 weeks 2 days ago
Comment: 33393
To the "Anonymous" author,
You are absolutely right. NASA is a front for space militarization. My contacts at DARPA have informed me that the Laser Offensive System is almost operational. But I need to warn you, that people who know what they're doing are in danger. They are onto you, and it is likely that when they lock onto your position, your place or residence will be burned to a crisp. Hope you have a solid basement. By the way, they come closer to pinpointing your position every time you log on to the internet. I'd lay low for a while.
Re (2): Space Tech
December 16, 2008 by Fred Bortz, 49 weeks 2 days ago
Comment: 33395
Anonymous,
Renaisauce is only telling you part of the story.
My sources tell me that the Obama Administration already has begun the planning for rationing oxygen, just as you warn will happen. Most people will get only enough to sustain their bodies and basic brain function, ostensibly because they aren't using their higher functions well.
If you continue revealing deep Obamian secrets, you will be put on that list. Consider yourself warned!
Yours from the Twilight Zone,
Dr. Fred
Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)
Griffin is a real intellect.
December 14, 2008 by Anonymous, 49 weeks 4 days ago
Comment: 33362
Griffin is a real intellect. He holds a number of degrees and hasa career to suggest he is a real rocket scientist. His challenging of Hansen was spot on for two reasons- policy and science. NASA policy is clear on political advocacy that Hansen was (is) engaging in around global warming. Anyone who has followed Hansen knows that he speaks not of science but of prophecy. He sounds like Nostradamus not a scientist when he is belching out his rants. Second is science. Many scientists at NASA think Hansen is not respectful of the scientific method of late. The MATERIAL errors coming from his measurement work are a real embarrassment to NASA. He is undermining NASA and the field.
Now Ms. Garver who Obama is sending to NASA is a fly weight. She is not at the level of Griffin. I would urge Obama to send a more qualified person to such a key issue.
Re: Real Intellect
December 14, 2008 by Renaisauce, 49 weeks 3 days ago
Comment: 33371
I don't know how we got on the whole Hansen-Griffen fight, but it brings up an important point about the original discussion (that's called "blog entropy"). People have to do science, and people have to lead science. Is there a difference in the qualities of the two?
Someone who does science, ideally, has to maintain a consistent objectivity and a focus on the experiments underway, while maintaining a broad understanding of the field. Someone who leads in science has the additional weight of having to deal with political realities and the responsibilities of an accountable administration. A leader is often relieved, sometimes reluctantly, of the pressures of research. But in some cases, a such a position may also degrade the broad scientific understanding and the excitement about productive progress that probably spurred on their original scientific interest.
My concern, as originally voiced, is not that the persons involved in Obama's transition team are intelligent, or that they lack and understanding of either science or administration (although I'm sure those are debatable points for many of you.)
My concern is that in this time, with such an overwhelming shift in general policy underway and with economic concerns baring down, the perspective of where scientific progress is going may be dimmed or abandoned. For example, while I understand the need to cut spending to save money, I also understand that a divestment in science and exploration will be far more detrimental down the road than transient economic turmoil. I'm asking for signs that Obama's long term vision for the country involves people with strong, competent visions in every area, including research funding, space exploration, environmental policy and wildlife preservation. If I were his adviser (although I'm waaaay too expensive) I'd recommend that he make his science team his next major appointment, to which his energy secretary is a quality start.
Re (2): Real intellect
December 15, 2008 by Fred Bortz, 49 weeks 3 days ago
Comment: 33377
Nice summary and recapitulation of your point, Renaisauce.
Obama could do worse than to tap a newcomer to congress from the Chicago exurbs named Bill Foster. He holds the seat vacated by former speaker Dennis Hastert.
I blogged about him when he first campaigned. I hope Foster has at least given Obama some suggestions about whom to choose. My college classmate and Foster's Ph.D. adviser, Larry Sulak, would be the kind of person I would like to see advising the White House. He's a brilliant physicist, has genuine integrity and compassion, and is people-savvy.
As for Hansen, one of our anonymous posters thought, incorrectly, that he was part of the discussion in one of the articles you and I cited, and used that old controversy to stir the pot.
It turns out that the Hansen topic fits your comments, because we don't want to see that kind of politicization of science again, even though we want a scientific adviser who is politically adept as well as scientifically well-informed and smart.
Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)
Re: Griffin
December 14, 2008 by Fred Bortz, 49 weeks 4 days ago
Comment: 33365
Anon,
You must have written your comment without reading the Time magazine article noted above or the blog entry I cited.
Neither piece discusses the misguided attempt to keep James Hansen silent. The blog entry is about my concern about Griffin's saying the following in an NPR interview:
My objection was that the director of NASA was saying that "we don't have to wrestle with" the potential impact of global warming, while at the same time admitting that the IPCC science was solid.
As far as Hansen is concerned, I respect the fact that he was one of the first people to call public attention to the problem.
However, I am concerned that his recent public statements have gone too far for this reason: By taking a political stand, he naturally calls his scientific objectivity into question.
Still, I understand the reason he decided to become a political figure. Unlike you, his scientific colleagues continue to respect his objectivity. But the general public may not be able to distinguish between his scientific work and his political position.
I discuss that point in my somewhat critical review of Censoring Science: Inside the Political Attack on Dr. James Hansen and the Truth of Global Warming by Mark Bowen.
There I write, among other things:
I hope you will read both that earlier blog entry and my review to see where our perspectives are similar and where they differ.
If you want to discuss this further, I hope you'll tone down the flights of rhetoric, such as "Anyone who has followed Hansen knows that he speaks not of science but of prophecy. He sounds like Nostradamus not a scientist when he is belching out his rants."
That tone makes it difficult to see your statements about Hansen's scientific work as anything but a continuation of your own rant.
And because of that tone, I think I'll retire to the sidelines let others pick up the dispute if you care to take it farther.
And frankly, the fact that you do not attach your name to the comments makes me uncomfortable.
Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)
Obambi and Space
December 14, 2008 by Anonymous, 49 weeks 4 days ago
Comment: 33357
'As for "Yes we can," as someone who bought into that statement during the primaries, I can say that it is very different than the "Yes, of course, sir," of the Bush years. The reason I bought into it was that it was indeed a bottom up campaign. It was "we" because the candidate was paying attention to us, not "he" because we were enamored with him.
Yes we can, because we all have judgment to offer to a leader who is listening to our views rather than looking for reinforcement of his own.'
You really got sucked in to the mindless messiah worship scenario. There won't be any money for the space program after Obambi redistributes the wealth to the unproductive ignorant masses who are the products of the democrat plantation and the NEA.
Obambi is testimony to the failure of democracy.
The revolution is just around the corner.
Canned the Space Program?
December 17, 2008 by Anonymous, 49 weeks 1 day ago
Comment: 33419
I doubt very seriously the space program is being undermined. I see quite a bit of ego and personality clashes, nothing more nothing less. I think Obama will be a significantly better advocate for science and space exploration than anyone in the last administration. At least now things will move forward in a more comprehensive and coherent manner, rather than expected business as usual.
http://www.bccmeteorites.com/misconduct-planetary.html
A red herring has appeared
December 17, 2008 by Fred Bortz, 49 weeks 1 day ago
Comment: 33420
The latest anonymous poster is probably right about personality conflicts. That's what I was suggesting by my parenthetical "...and perhaps that's all the transition team intended..." in my most recent comment in this thread.
However, the poster has apparently used that remark to sucker us into following the link to his website, which has a strange axe to grind. If I read the BCC Meteorites webpages correctly, someone named S. Ray DeRusse, claims that NASA landed humans on the moon only once, in July 1969, and that there has been a pattern of fraud to cover up the fact that no other human lunar landings took place.
"S. Ray DeRusse" has the same rhythm as "Lyndon LaRouche," and I'm inclined to put them in the same category of credibility.
This may launch an angry rebuttal from Mr. DeRusse; but on the other hand, he really should thank me for drawing additional attention to his site.
As for other Science Blog readers, enjoy the fireworks I may have just set off! After all, conspiracy theories often make up in entertainment value what they lack in credibility.
I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the show.
Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)
A Herring Who Loves Justice
December 17, 2008 by Renaisauce, 49 weeks 1 day ago
Comment: 33427
In fairness to BCC, I think all he really says is that their analysis of moon rocks hasn't yielded any evidence of further moon missions. I do not doubt that they have not seen that evidence.
I do find his vigor against scientific misconduct very interesting. I don't think there are too many people keeping track of science frauds. I find especially interesting that he feels so strongly about Wikipedia entries, although I probably shouldn't because Wikis are the fount of all true knowledge.
Anyway.
Science Advisor Update
December 20, 2008 by Renaisauce, 48 weeks 5 days ago
Comment: 33462
It appears that Obama has caved in to the pressure exerted by the Science Blog and has chosen his science advisor and a NOAA chief. In deference to Bortz, it looks like a strong anti-global warming team. The AP report is here.
We still need NASA. Keep it up, presidente.
NASA and Global Warming
December 20, 2008 by Fred Bortz, 48 weeks 5 days ago
Comment: 33464
It looks like the part of NASA's mission that studies the atmosphere and global resources from orbit will be given greater emphasis. Still, I agree with 'Sauce the long-term inspirational stuff needs to remain on the priority list.
I wouldn't mind pushing back human trips to Mars ten years if it allows us to address climate change better through NASA's efforts. However, I would be saddened if the administration says that we should take it off the agenda entirely.
My guess is that NASA will continue to look at both this world and others for exploration, with the goal of landing humans on Mars by mid-century and colonizing Mars, with terraforming beginning, by century's end.
The pessimists will argue that such a plan amounts to screwing up two planets at the same time :)
Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)
Pessimists
December 20, 2008 by Renaisauce, 48 weeks 5 days ago
Comment: 33469
"The pessimists will argue that such a plan amounts to screwing up two planets at the same time :)"
The pessimists can deal with it. I don't know if there's any native life on Mars, but I can't wait for us to give it some of our own.
Anon and space
December 14, 2008 by Fred Bortz, 49 weeks 4 days ago
Comment: 33358
Anonymous,
If you're trying to pick a fight with me, you lose.
I'm not taking your bait.
Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)
Space program and inspiration
December 13, 2008 by Fred Bortz, 49 weeks 5 days ago
Comment: 33343
Thanks for the nomination, 'Sauce :)
I agree about the need for inspiration, and I see plenty of that in the tone of the new administration, despite the hard economic times. So I think the scientific and technological future will be in good hands in the next four years at least. If Obama's appointee for Energy Secretary has a Nobel Prize in Physics, I can't envision a science adviser without equal intellectual depth and leadership ability.
I think we went off the track (ain't retrospection wonderful!) when we decided to get practical and built a space truck rather than a 'Vette. We fell into a "make-do" rather than a "can-do" attitude.
When I speak to schools, I always make sure that the kids--and their teachers, especially--know that the Apollo astronauts were in their late 30s and 40s. That means if we send humans of that age to Mars in 2040, they are now in elementary and middle school.
I tell them that they have a chance to become real space aliens of the future, beings from one planet landing on another.
Is a human mission Mars in 2040 the right goal? I don't know. Perhaps a mission to send a robot submersible to Europa would be equally exciting.
But whatever it is, we need a grand challenge or a great set of questions to make NASA a force for technological advancement and inspiration.
We need a new cherry-red T-bird or a silver 'Vette because the people who build and drive those will not let critical details slip their attention and will not stop short of success.
It's an attitude thing!
Fred, who drives a Subaru (for what it's worth)
P.S.: I'm not sure Griffin is the right choice. In the past, he has parked his scientific judgment to defend Bush's global warming policies, and I blogged about it. It's not so much the viewpoint as the fact that he acted like a yes-man, while Obama welcomes challenges to his viewpoint.
Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)
RE: Space Program and Inspiration
December 13, 2008 by Renaisauce, 49 weeks 5 days ago
Comment: 33347
I agree about the good choice for the Dept. of Energy. My concern is that all choices will be equally good. I'm also concerned that Obama will be no shorter of "yes men" than any other leader. If Obama didn't want that, he shouldn't have trained all of his supporters to yell 'yes we can' on demand.
I also agree that sending probes to Europa and other moons would be great and very interesting, and I think NASA has done an amazing job with our current Mars probe programs (how can we design robots that run for over 3 years straight in a hostile environment on another planet, but we can't design a vacuum that works well for longer than 2 years?)
That said, I feel strongly that we need to get moving on our human presence in space. Call it my preference for human intuition over remote observation. I think that planetary exploration will be much more productive once we get our hands on things on site. I wish we going to Mars more quickly. Frankly, I was a little disappointed that the decision was made to go to the Moon first. I'd rather we just get to Mars, (although I do see the value of short distance tech testing.)
I'm interested in your comment about the type of spacecraft that you need. What would you soup up? Let's play "Pimp My Lander."
Mars Direct
December 14, 2008 by Fred Bortz, 49 weeks 4 days ago
Comment: 33355
Renaisauce, I'm with you on not needing to go back to the Moon for practice. There are better reasons for Moon missions.
Robert Zubrin puts it very well in his book The Case for Mars, where he describes a fascinating plan for "Mars Direct," followed by establishment of a network of bases and eventual terraforming and colonization.
He also has a new book out called How to Live on Mars, which is currently on my reading stack.
As for "Yes we can," as someone who bought into that statement during the primaries, I can say that it is very different than the "Yes, of course, sir," of the Bush years. The reason I bought into it was that it was indeed a bottom up campaign. It was "we" because the candidate was paying attention to us, not "he" because we were enamored with him.
Yes we can, because we all have judgment to offer to a leader who is listening to our views rather than looking for reinforcement of his own.
Countdown: 37 days, 2 hours, 3 minutes as I write this.
Fred Bortz -- Science and technology books for young readers (www.fredbortz.com) and Science book reviews (www.scienceshelf.com)
Re: Mars Direct
December 14, 2008 by Renaisauce, 49 weeks 4 days ago
Comment: 33361
I was actually doing some Mars research on the side as an undergrad, and I remember some fellow students that were pretty hard-core Mars Direct people that were disappointed when NASA went the other way. I think Zubrin testified before Congress something to the effect of "you don't impress your children by doing something that their grandparents did."
But for the record, any effort to the impress the children with more than special effects will be welcome.