It is an absolute truth that only that which equates ( = ) is true, that each approximation is founded upon a minimum of one untruth, and that, as such, each approximation is, technically, untrue. It is, also, an absolute truth ( = ) that, regardless of it’s complexity, there is only one (1) original source of all of life, itself, and, therefore, of all of conscious life, itself, and, therefore, of consciousness, itself, and, given that the original source of all of consciousness, itself, cannot be unconscious and that consciousness, itself, cannot be inferior to itself, the original source of conscious life is, therefore, conscious …whom most people call GOD.
Shall we pray, Ladies and Gentlemen…
Can you explain to me what proof there is that God exists? I doubt you can show any Mathematical, philosophical, scientific or any other evidence that the God of the bible exists. The bible was written by people (Human beings) how can you be 100% sure of the authenticity of any of the people involved in it’s publication, for all you know it was written by a deluded homeless man.
You talk about science as if it’s a belief system, it is not. Science is just a name for the search for truth through reason and logic which even creationist can learn to understand, how about you try and apply true reason and logic to your creationistic dilemma instead of attempting to bring science down by making unfounded below the belt attacks at how scientists go about proving or disproving things.
Dude, don’t be such a dumb ass. Your just saying a lot of big words that have no meaning together. Basically, you say things that you claim prove others when they really don’t equate such as that conscious created itself. Where do you come up with this crap? But thanks for trying anyway, maybe next time.
Where exactly You are living in America??
Because of certain reasons of life people who seeks GOD look only in the Bible. But no one of them try to talk to GOD. Sex is pure joy and if certain prohibitions GOD, (THIS IS WOULD BE ME!!!!!!!!) DIDN’T ARRANGE ONLY BECAUSE THEY ARE BREAKABLE ON EVERYDAY BASIS. Try talk to me through the prayer. I’ll answer you. Best wishes from Me and My wife. Thank you. And by the way I live in America.
The real living trees are great prove of LIFE OF JEHOVA THE CREATOR.
I think the nice and unbeatable prove of LIFE OF GOD CREATOR are regular trees. They are not from the oceans. THEY HAD BEEN CREATED. HOSANNA JEHOVA!
True, the discussion of a scientific proof of God does not belong to a science blog, exactly because there can never be such a proof. We cannot ascribe any observable effect directly to God. BUT, that does not compel us to simply accept the absence of God. There are plenty of solid philosophical (and mathematical) arguments proving the existence of God. The problem is that Scientists think that the only way to prove something must be scientific in the pragmatic sense of the word. That’s just plain wrong. Can you prove “scientifically” that for example the number of primes is infinite? Of course not. The only proof is mathematical (or philosophical in a more general sense). Such is the nature of the proofs of the existence of God.
You need to define right and wrong… there is right and wrong that is based upon society – down South, when you order tea you get a 1/2 pound of sugar in brown cold liquid – and this is “right” – if the waiter brought you a tiny cup of hot tea this would be “wrong” (you can provide moral examples of your own) – BUT there is a UNIVERSAL Moral right and wrong that transcends cultures. If this were not so, we could not rationally hold Hitler accountable, cause maybe thats just the way they did things in Germany.
Also, God is not a man made theory. The story in the Bible is not about people reaching up to God, but rather, God reaching down to mankind – specifically through His One and Only Son, Jesus Christ (the most documented historical figure of all time).
Why are the only ways man can come about the big bang theory and creationism? Is it not plausible that both are wrong? If we cannot factually prove either of them right, then they both can be wrong. Silly.
The reason why God’s existence matters lies in the last sentence of your post. It is easy to tell people to be a “good” person but think carefully and ask yourself if you even know what it truly means to be good or is your perception of good simply whatever society and your feelings dictate. If you think “goodness” is whatever the majority decides to be true, then there is nothing which is inherently right or wrong and anyone is entitled to do anything and you should not be upset if people wrong you because it would just be a difference of opinion. However, if you think “goodness” is something independent of human thought such as the principles of science, then you must ask yourself who has the authority to dictate such principles. The simple answer is that no one is fit to dictate universal moral principles except for an all powerful God and if you want to know what good is then you must know the Word of God. Don’t bother with man made theories of justice such as utilitarian theory, rawlsian theory, or social norms because they have no credibility as they are based on people’s feelings. Anyone with minimal intelligence can tell you that your feelings are irrelevant to the truth.
THAT is why God matters. If He does not exist, there is no way to know right from wrong.
Yes, there is most definately a way to decide what is right and wrong without a God to dictate it to us. We as a species have done it through trial and error.It is in the best interest of a society to not kill one another or to steal from one another. God or religion if I may call it is a type of group think. I believe early humans banded together for survival reasons in groups. This would increase there ability to survive and inevitably would start to make law, rules,social norms and of course religion.
To say goodness is something independent of human thought makes no sense because we thought of the idea of goodness. To say we need the word of God to be good is ignorant because goodness has been around long before the word of God. I’m assuming you mean the Christian God. To say that you shouldn’t bother with man made theories is hypacritical because God is a man made theory. If we were to follow Gods word to the word to this day we would still be stoning criminals and committing mass genocide because they dont believe in your God. I’ll assume you havn’t read the bible.
If anything we should get rid of God maybe we could then show compassion and acceptance for our fellow man and women
Kudos to you!!
Here’s another proof:
http://kuday.bloggum.com/yazi/mathematical-proof-of-the-existence-of-god.html
God might be one of us. God might exist outside of time, or be from our far future.
Under the right circumstances, the universe and God can be the ultimate paradox, because it didn’t exist, until something from outside of time or our far future created it..
Maybe someone from our future created God as something else that evolved beyond time and space, and that happening is what allowed the creation to create us in the past.
MainFragger
Here’s another way of proof:
http://kuday.bloggum.com/yazi/mathematical-proof-for-existance-of-god.html
I always laugh whenever I see people who think that asking “Who made God?” is a valid argument. Its basically the same as asking “Who made matter?”
The odd thing is that the answer to both is normally given as “nobody”. Just the deist is answering the first question and the atheist is answering the second one.
Really people, wake up.
regarding my statement, “it is an absolute truth that only that which equates is true”, you stated: ” – what do you mean here? Are you seriously trying to use the mathematical definition of “true” in a philosophical or real (ie non-philosophical, real world) sense? Most people know that “true” (as in 100%) is generally a nonsensical notion unrelated to the world or non-mathematics.”
my response is yes. absolutely yes …and justifiably so.
if you, each, consider yourselves to be true (=) scientists, at which point did any of you abandon the most basic of scientific tenets [Publish no scientific statement which has not, first, been mathematically proven to equate ( = ).]?
Each term, statement, sentence, paragraph, chapter, book, tome, and anthology can be mathematically symobilized and the symbols manipulated, according to a logical set of rules, in order to determine which statements are true and which are untrue, given that each approximation is founded upon a minimum of one untruth and is, therefore, untrue, yet that which actually equates ( = ) is true and, as such, cannot be mathematically disproven; then, the symbols can be returned to words, yet, if all premises equated (=), the truths will have been separated from the untruths. Therefore, yes, mathematics can be appropriately applied to determine which philosophies are true … at least potentially, and to prove which philosophies cannot possibly be true under any circumstances whatsoever.
regarding consciousness, i did not state that consciousness is necessary. nevertheless, consciousness exists. yet, it does not exist separate from life. life is essential to the existence of consciousness.
albeit in other words, i, simply, stated that:
. life, itself, is infinitely large and exists everywhere outside of our finite galactic space (which was created solely by the big bang [a super-sized lightening bolt which shot across the scape of life])
. the inviolable power of the Law of Cause and Effect is a mere function of reality, rather than the reality, itself, reacting with mathematical precision ( = ) solely to positivities [( + ) peace] and negativities [( – ) friction], in every direction from the point of origin of the peace or friction
. the origin of life, itself, which must include 100% of the components of life, includes 100% of the components of consciousness, itself
. given that consciousness exists, the original source of all of conscious life (the center of which is in the center of everywhere), after these many trillions of years of evolution, cannot be unconscious
. mind does NOT equal (=) brain, and
. brain does NOT equal (=) mind.
Therefore, I proffer, herein, that:
. everyone is, inherently, equally intelligent
. animals and plants are no less conscious (and, thus, no less sentient and intelligent) than homo sapiens, and
. even though their body forms are different and more limited than those of homo sapiens, all living beings are healthiest and most comfortable within an environment of a constant temperature of 80 degrees fahrenheit with ample quantities of pure and undefiled oxygenated air and waters, and
. everyone is born to be immortal. imperfect circumstances, however, lead to death …for instance, methusela did live to be nearly 1,000 years old, yet, homo sapiens and wild animals are, now, subject to swift decomposition by the current high levels of bacteria, yeast, et caetera, which increase in populations at a relatively extreme rate of speed.
. The Golden Rule, which under each and every perfect circumstance IS The Ten Commandments, is the only way by which mankind can resolve every resolvable problem.
Peace.
PS: do not cut the grass …it is never essential to life, itself, to do so.
I am not a very religious person , but I believe in God as well. The last comment doesn’t make sense to me because God is not a who or a what in this sense therefor whoever or whatever created us cannot be called God. Will you worship some extraterrestrial creature come to find that we are created by them? Also, what would be the origin of that creature?
It seems illogical, in my opinion, to believe in the creation of human species as a bang and everything falling into place in a random but correct order. If the big bang is true then damn, what are we going to do? Nothing I suppose. I would live the way i still live today. I think at some point in time we have to stop and think. God gave us the ability to reason so why not use it, right? What I’m trying to say is this: sometimes perception can’t be reality. God cannot be perceived in anyway known to man. Therefor there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of God. All of this senseless talk in trying to reason why God can’t exist or why he can exist is inane. The real question is why do we question the existence of God? Does anyone have an hidden desire to murder, but don’t because God will get mad? Lets face the facts, whether a God exists or not we are destined to be who we are. God gave us free will and will not infringe upon one’s choices, so why should this dispute even take place? No matter what one believes in mortality is inevitable therefor getting worked up about whether God exists or not is meaningless. Just live life to be the best person you can be and hopefully everything will take care of itself.
I am not religious. I have no gain in proving or disproving God. But I believe in God as a point of simple logic. Which is to say that if you believe in the big bang, then every piece of matter in the universe has won the lottery at the worst possible odds in order to simply exist.
If there were no God, every arrangement of matter, every system that has formed, all forms of life have accidentally hit the lottery with odds exponentially worse than the worst possible odds.
If you don’t believe in God, then you are trying to tell me that our galaxy, solar system, planet and echo system are ALL in place strictly by accident.
This doesn’t make sense to me. Someone or something had to have formed, and guided the creation of the universe as we know it. Other wise, the odds would have naturally insured that none of this could ever have happened.
Now, I am not speaking of a God from a religious point of view. But whoever created us, gave us everything. So omni-everything or not, whoever created us is God. But for all we know, God is just another scientist who figured out how to make universes and put his knowledge to good use.
I don’t have a formula but you might want to check out the plot diagram
http://apageinthelife.blogspot.com