{"id":267,"date":"2014-07-28T13:33:13","date_gmt":"2014-07-28T13:33:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/joshmitteldorf.peachpuff-wolverine-566518.hostingersite.com\/?p=267"},"modified":"2014-07-28T13:33:13","modified_gmt":"2014-07-28T13:33:13","slug":"origin-of-life-follow-up-on-your-comments","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/scienceblog.com\/joshmitteldorf\/2014\/07\/28\/origin-of-life-follow-up-on-your-comments\/","title":{"rendered":"Origin of Life:  Follow-up on your comments"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I always appreciate the opportunity to learn from your comments, the more so when I have ventured outside my expertise. \u00a0I was particularly excited to receive extended comments from Gary Hurd with references that were new to me and a pointer to one of my favorite biological free-thinkers, Carl Woese. \u00a0This is a brief response to Gary, with some expanded thoughts and clarifications.<\/p>\n<p>I view evolution as an accelerating process. \u00a0At the same time that life has been evolving, evolution has been evolving. \u00a0That is to say, the process of evolution has become more and more efficient over time, a phenomenon\u00a0I once referred to as <a href=\"https:\/\/scienceblog.com\/joshmitteldorf\/2013\/07\/22\/evolution-of-evolution-and-evolution-of-death\/\">Evolution Squared<\/a>. \u00a0Recent stages of evolution have been remarkably efficient. \u00a0Multi-cellular life is only half a billion years old (at least in the form we know it, with cells specialized to form organs, appendages, circulation, nerves etc). \u00a0So the first 85% of life\u2019s history was spent working on individual cells, their structure and metabolism. \u00a0I expect that the earliest stages of evolution were remarkably slow.<\/p>\n<p>The very first self-reproducing systems had to appear by chance, and had to evolve progressively before life had really learned how to evolve. \u00a0My premise last week was surprise that the earliest cyanobacteria appeared so soon after the earth first cooled and solidified. \u00a0Cyanobacteria have a lot of cell structure and some very fancy metabolic chemistry. \u00a0This all had to be come together at a time when the evolutionary process was groping around in the dark.<\/p>\n<p>I estimated that life had only 300 million years from loose alliances of molecules to cells that left a fossil record. \u00a0Gary said this number should be 500-700 million. \u00a0He\u2019s probably right. \u00a0700 million years is the full time available from the first liquid water to the oldest fossils, and it is impossible to know whether it was late or early in that 700 million years that molecular life first self-organized.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Maybe LUCA was the vast blue sea<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Gary pointed me to an article by Carl Woese with an <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pnas.org\/content\/95\/12\/6854.full.pdf&amp;embedded=true\">alternate picture of the origin of life<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019re accustomed to think that the Darwinian struggle for existence is a condition of life, and it has always been thus. \u00a0We imagine that cooperation arose after competition, as alliances became a potent aid in the struggle.<\/p>\n<p>We get our genes from our parents, and micro-organisms get their genes from progenitor cells. \u00a0We read about bacteria that promiscuously\u00a0share plasmids\u2014\u201chorizontal gene transfer\u201d\u2014and we think this is a bizarre, chimerical monstrosity.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019re accustomed to thinking of life lived by individuals, each with its unique lineage extending back in time. \u00a0We imagine that individuals evolved first, that they diverged and competed, and later organized into predator-prey communities and more complex ecosystems.<\/p>\n<p>The technology we have for inferring genetic relationship and ancient lineage is statistical analysis of the similarity of DNA sequences in widely-varying life forms today, using genes that perform the same core functions. \u00a0Presumably, these genes all derive from a common source, and the variations that they assume among present life forms tell the story of the path by which they were passed down.<\/p>\n<p>Woese, who knew this evidence as well as anyone and thought about it in the broadest context, concludes that diverse branches of the tree of life cannot be traced to a single root.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The further back in evolutionary time we look, the more the notion of an \u201corganismal lineage\u201d\u2014indeed, the very definition of \u201corganism\u201d itself\u2014comes into question. It is time to release this notion of organismal lineages altogether and see where that leaves us.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The further we look back in time, the more horizontal gene transfer was the rule, and strict lineage the exception<strong>.<\/strong><b> \u00a0<\/b>The picture that Woese invokes\u00a0is of a time before separate selves, when all partook of the chemical commons, and genes were free-floating templates belonging to no one and everyone.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The universal ancestor is not a discrete entity. It is, rather, a diverse community of cells that survives and evolves as a biological unit. This communal ancestor has a physical history but not a genealogical one. Over time, this ancestor refined into a smaller number of increasingly complex cell types with the ancestors of the three primary groupings of organisms [archaea, bacteria &amp; eukaryotes] arising as a result.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>One day, an oily film walled off one little portion of the sea, and the chemicals therein spoke the word \u201cmine\u201d for the first time in history.<\/p>\n<p>I am fascinated by this picture. \u00a0It comes from an eminent scientist, it seems plausible, and it aligns with diverse spiritual wisdom about the unity of life and with mythology of a time before our current <a href=\"http:\/\/charleseisenstein.net\/books\/the-more-beautiful-world-our-hearts-know-is-possible\/separation\/\">Age of Separation<\/a>. \u00a0It will be awhile before I am able to assimilate its implications.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Is it hard to create a self-replicating network of molecules?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I claimed last week that lab scientists had tried and failed to come up with self-replicating molecular cycles. \u00a0Gary pointed me to five reports in the literature of self-replicating chemistry. \u00a0After looking at them, I think we\u2019re both right. \u00a0Indeed, there are examples of molecular systems that are able to copy themselves, but they work only when immersed in a soup of chemical feed that is already too complex to have arisen by chance. \u00a0Not only are the simplest molecules capable of self-replication not simple enough that they might ever have arisen in a whole pre-biotic sea of random molecules; but even these are able to assemble copies of themselves only when provided with constituents that are also too complex to be plausibly present before biology.<\/p>\n<p>All present life requires three kinds of molecules: Proteins, DNA and RNA. \u00a0Proteins do the cell&#8217;s work, including the work of replicating DNA; but DNA holds the information that tells how to build a protein, so each is dependent on the other. \u00a0DNA and RNA have the essential property that they can act as templates for their own replication. \u00a0That\u2019s the significance of the \u201cdouble helix\u201d\u2014two strands of DNA or RNA can come unzipped, and each finds pieces to make a new mate for itself. \u00a0But in biology, this only happens with the aid of protein molecules that do the zipping and unzipping, and finding the constituents to build the copy. \u00a0To make a protein from a DNA template requires an RNA intermediary and a tiny molecular factory called a <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ribosome\">ribosome<\/a>, which is itself a miracle of natural bioengineering. \u00a0This 3-component system is so complex that it could not have been the basis of the first life on earth. \u00a0So biochemists looking for a simple self-replicating system work either on proteins alone or with RNA alone. \u00a0(DNA alone is not considered viable because it is a passive informational molecule and is not capable of doing anything on its own.)<\/p>\n<p>The \u201cprotein world\u201d hypothesis has the advantage that proteins are made of amino acids, which are relatively easy to make and are plausible constituents of the pre-biotic soup.<\/p>\n<p>The \u201cRNA world\u201d hypothesis has the advantage that RNA is both a workhorse molecule and a template for replication. \u00a0But the constituent pieces of RNA are nucleic acids which are, themselves, harder to synthesize and it is thought that the pre-biotic soup would contain only minuscule amounts of them compared to the amounts of amino acids, which were already rare (dilute) in an absolute sense.<\/p>\n<p>The five papers Gary cites are interesting for what they accomplish, as well as for what they fail to accomplish:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nature.com\/nature\/journal\/v390\/n6660\/abs\/390591a0.html\">Lee et al, Nature 1997<\/a> \u00a0\u00a0This group at Scripps Inst in La Jolla \u00a0works with a protein that is able to make more of the same protein (no RNA or DNA). \u00a0A particular protein of length 32 can act as a template to make copies of itself by joining together two pieces of length 17 and 15 residues.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>A protein (or \u201cpeptide\u201d) is a chain of amino acid molecules. \u00a0The individual pieces are called \u201cresidues\u201d in this context. \u00a0Individual residues qualify as simple enough to have appeared by chance in the pre-biotic soup. \u00a0However, chaining them together can be done in many different ways.<\/p>\n<p>For example, there are hundreds of known, simple residues. \u00a020 of them are essential for today\u2019s biology. \u00a0The number of different chains of length 32 that can be made using just the 20 known residues is 20 raised to the power 32=10<sup>41<\/sup>.<\/p>\n<p>In other words, this is a hugely improbable molecule to appear spontaneously, and even so, it can\u2019t assemble copies of itself from individual residues, but only from two halves of itself.<\/p>\n<p>My judgment is that this is tremendously exciting work, it\u2019s on the right path, but still both too complex and not effective enough to be a candidate for the first self-replicator.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencemag.org\/content\/323\/5918\/1229.short\">Lincoln &amp; Joyce, Science 2009<\/a>. \u00a0This is another group at Scripps that works with RNA alone (no proteins). \u00a0The paper describes a pair of RNA molecules, each of which was effective in assembling a new copy of the other.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>This is an example of a hypercycle, as I described last week\u2014a set of molecules that are mutually auto-catalyzing. \u00a0The fully-assembed molecules are more than 100 bases in length, and they can be assembled from smaller pieces of themselves. \u00a0The smallest piece in the \u201cfeedstock\u201d is 21 bases in length, and the largest is more than 60.<\/p>\n<p>As with the protein work above, I would judge that this is tremendously exciting and promising work. \u00a0I\u2019m grateful to Gary for pointing it out to me. \u00a0But we\u2019re still a long way from having a candidate for the first pre-biotic chemical system. \u00a0These molecules are too large (= too complex=too improbable) to have plausibly appeared by chance in all the world\u2019s oceans in 500 million years. \u00a0And even if one did appear by chance, it would require the other, and then the two would only be able to replicate if provided with smaller fragments.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.pnas.org\/content\/107\/10\/4585.short\">Turk et al, PNAS 2010<\/a>. \u00a0This group at UC Santa Cruz reports a crucial protein-building step performed by an RNA fragment that is only 5 bases long. \u00a0\u00a0In order to support biology that includes both RNA and proteins, you need ribosomes, which can make a protein to order from a from an RNA blueprint. \u00a0But ribosomes are much too complex to be part of the first living things. \u00a0This paper reports that one piece of the work done by a ribosome can be accomplished by this simple 5-base RNA fragment. \u00a05 bases linked together is a small enough molecule that it could plausibly have appeared by chance, before biology.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>The Bottom Line<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In summary: \u00a0I\u2019m impressed with the progress that has been made in the search for the chemical basis of pre-biotic life, and I\u2019m grateful to Gary for having pointed me to this literature. \u00a0We have a long way to go before we can say we understand how life got started, but we\u2019ve made some promising steps in the right direction.<\/p>\n<p>Specialists in this area of research remain divided in their fundamental pictures of the origin of life. \u00a0Some favor the protein world, some the RNA world, and some the view that I described last week, which is that life arrived on a meteor from an extra-terrestrial source. \u00a0A common criticism is that the extra-terrestrial hypothesis is vacuous, or superfluous, because it just \u201ckicks the can down the road\u201d. \u00a0You are still left having to explain how life got started on some other planet at some other time. \u00a0But I\u2019d argue that the extra-terrestrial hypothesis contributes three things:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>it helps explain why all life on earth is related, with a common chemical basis;<\/li>\n<li>it helps explain why life arose relatively quickly after the birth of Planet Earth;<\/li>\n<li>and it provides more time and space for the vastly improbable events that led to the first life.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The ET hypothesis makes a prediction that may someday be testable: If extraterrestrial life is discovered, or if we are visited, then the prediction is that these visitors will have metabolisms and genetics based on proteins and DNA, respectively, just like us.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I always appreciate the opportunity to learn from your comments, the more so when I have ventured outside my expertise. \u00a0I was particularly excited to receive extended comments from Gary Hurd with references that were new to me and a pointer to one of my favorite biological free-thinkers, Carl Woese. \u00a0This is a brief response &#8230; 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The surprising fact that our bodies are genetically programmed to age and to die offers an enormous opportunity for medical intervention. It may be that therapies to slow the progress of aging need not repair or regenerate anything, but only need to interfere with an existing program of self-destruction. Mitteldorf has taught a weekly yoga class for thirty years. He is an advocate for vigorous self care, including exercise, meditation and caloric restriction. After earning a PhD in astrophysicist, Mitteldorf moved to evolutionary biology as a primary field in 1996. He has taught at Harvard, Berkeley, Bryn Mawr, LaSalle and Temple University. He is presently affiliated with MIT as a visiting scholar. In private life, Mitteldorf is an advocate for election integrity as well as public health. He is an avid amateur musician, playing piano in chamber groups, French horn in community orchestras. His two daughters are among the first children adopted from China in the mid-1980s. 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