Linguists debate whether all languages are descended from a common ancestor. This can’t be completely true, since many sign languages have been invented out of whole cloth in modern time (Nicaraguan sign is a famous example), as was, to a meaningful extent, Hawaiian Pidgin.
However, students of history know from the ancient Greek historian Herodotus that Phrygian is the first language. According to his writings, an Egyptian king by the name of Psammetichus ordered that two children “of the ordinary sort” be raised in an isolated cabin without exposure to language. At the age of two or so, the children began to speak Phrygian, which was taken as proof that Phrygian, not Egyptian, is the world’s earliest language.
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I’m sure that tamil is the world language and 40000 years old . It is not a funny . B
ecoz it is the language which contains more ‘one letter word’ . The pre-historic people only spoke ‘one letter word’.also lemurian continent and africa were joined in 50000 years were tamil was spoken
I am an identical twin. When my brother and I were little, we developed our own language — not uncommon for twins whether identical or fraternal. We continued to use our language even as we were learning English from our peers and parents. As English predominated, we lost the need and desire to babble amongst ourselves only, as in order to get along with the rest of the world, we needed to speak their language. However, we never lost our use of our own language between us. Even today, decades later, we still use a few of our own terms and phrases when talking about things, of course, not to strangers but just to ourselves.
When you want to determine what the oldest language is, it really depends whether the age of the language is measured in terms of either the first language spoken by humans or the first language that also had a fully developed writing system.
If you are searching for the oldest language in terms of the oldest spoken language, then you would want to start of your search on the African continent, the birth-place of humans.
If you are looking for the oldest language in terms of evidence in written form, then you might want to consider Sumerian.
It is important to determine whether you think a language without a writing system to be an official language or not. As an example, it is said that Albanian has been spoken for probably a few thousand years, however its writing system has only been in use for about 500 years today.
Check out http://www.language-united.com/oldest-language.html if you want to know more concerning this topic.
desh ko aage badaane mein competition ho raha hai ya lootne mein? mujhe nahi lagta india kabhi sudhregi..sirf 15th, august ya.. 2nd october jaise dino mein hi “me an indian” waali hoti hai phir baad mein to struggle likha hai logon ki zindagi mein..agar isi tarha aage bhi desh ko lootne mein politicians rahe to bas gaye kaam se. kuch nahi kehna..ek politician ko desh ki gharib log aur unke poverty ko dekh kar dukhi hona chahiye… par aisa kabhi hota hai kya?? tabhi to india mein kabhi France jaise country mein jo sadke hai us tarah ki sadke nahi hai..na kabhi “disney land” koi idhar dekh paata..koi swiss choclate kha nahi paata…paisa haath mein rahega tabhi to yeh sab sapna poora hoyega…bas kuch nahi karna…bas ab to koi “chamatkaar” hi is desh ko bacha sakta hai.
God never care abt who is surrendering or who is escaping. He just want pure love and heart full of kindness. He does not feel happy getting load of flowers from a ill hearted rich guy but only one flower from a poor guy full of faith. He is the WATCH MAN.
Samay bada balwaan re…samay bada balwaan.
who is singing this song “samay bada balwaan” congress or bjp?..they never sing the song “dukh se mat gabraana panchi” because they have money power. we own neither a hut nor a bit…. all are written for politicians. Roti aur kapda to hai…what about “makaan” (land) :) all about destiny…kismet ka maara..
Bhai, mein thak chuki hu india ke haalat dekh kar. yahaan pe nyaay nahi hai, larkiyon ko izzat nahi milthi hai, kissaan log dukhi hain, bank lootne waala apraadhi hai par samaajh chalaane ke liye jo paisa sarkaar ke paas hai usko lootne waala “mahaan” hai…Politician ko ithna freedom mila hua hai ke koi saawal utta nahi sakta jo uttatha hai usko shaant kara dete hain. Power sab kuch karwaata hai. Iska hal kuch hai bhi ya nahi? har ek politician apne dil mein haath rakh kar yeh kabhi karega ki jo uske party mein corruption kiya hai usko nikhaalo. Sab milkar lootne mein lage hain to kya kabhi yeh desh sudhrega? NAHI NAHI NAHI. Saare poonji is desh mein hote hue bhi doosron se udhaar le sarkaar chala rahe hain. Aur yeh to “Bhagwaaon” ka desh hai…. Zahaan pe “neeyat nahi, insaaf nahi, suraksha nahi, man mein khot, dil mein nafrat, anyaay, jhoote log, laalach, pakhandi sanyaasi.. wahaan pe kya kabhi “bhagwaan” tehrega? Bhagwaan to pathhar banke hi rehega. jab insaan ke dil pathhar ho gaya hai ..insaaniyat nahi hai to .. kya wahaan pe kabhi parampitha vaas karega? “Good Conscience” agar dil mein hota hai to kisi ko mandir jaane ke liye bhi zaroorat nahi hai”…Tapasvi log tapasya kar bahut kuch kamaal ka karam dikha ke gaye hain is desh se….aaj bhi woh log haamare beech hain par dikhate nahi apne aap ko…jo “naam, paisa, aur izzat” ko khareed kar bada nahi ban sakta hai..kaheen chipa hua bhagwaan ko woh sab patha hai….chor do..bol bol ke thak chuki hu.. ma bhi ek katputhli hu koi nachwa raha hai…kya karoon.?
They are actually ruling the country but looting is side business. When we are indulging in matters like rape case, murder case, robbery case, entertainment matters, the competition starts…”unity is the best policy”…”silence is golden”.
Girl Malala and Mr.Khemka..Marvellous job done. Great Humanitarian Work. Shall be remembered forever. Banyan Tree, the protector of justice…Malala the “Noor”.
Ok…let me close the lid of the bottle of wisdom for sometime. I hope i wud be operated as “pommalaattam” (katputhli, the dance of the doll). The bottle is not empty. Have to test it i shall…trapped so tightly in there, previous birth i believe and accept.
“Justice delayed is Justice denied”. Watching crimes happen is also a CRIME. Just open the bottle and pour it out, the courage. Do not fear when truth is near.
I do not want another birth but wud like to meet good souls who departed from this earth. I got so many answers for my questions here in this birth. wud continue to ask one question why God does not show it’s form..i will go away with this question wud cross and get the answer directly from supreme power. I hope. HOPE IS LIFE.
In 2012 we see Malala, what kind of situation it was before 2000 years…i dont want to study. I can understand.
Chivan is Cheevanam (jeevan) the life. How can anyone compare it with human? It is beyond our imagination. It does not have the qualities of humans both good and bad. It is purely Nature. It is doing its duty in a very calm manner undisturbed. We are the creator of the form of chivan. But in reality it is “Cheevan” which gave us the life. Mysterious. It stimulated the brain of humans to create music and dance to create further beautiful form of “art”. Nature is responsible…. the crawling creepers (snakes), the chirping of birds (ichai, the music), the serene sound of streams (chaari), the majestic mountains (patham, said to be the foot of Eechan).
Cha and Ri …..”Sa” and “Ri”
Ka and Ma …….”ga” and “Ma”
Pa and Tha……”Pa” and “Dha”
“Nee” and “Cha”…”Ni” and “sa”
“Chari” the water, “kama” (kamalam) lotus, “Patham” (erupted foot, the lava from volcano) and Neer (water)
“sa ri ga ma padha ni sa…..sa ni dha pa ma ga ri sa”….. (the base) Keep practising..
Chivachaari the unexplorable science producing water..Thiruneervaachan (srinivaasan)
Ok…now about politics. Let Chivan and Parwati take rest for sometime. We should think about the future of india also. The name “Ministry” itself is powerful, if it is then what would be if someone is “Minister”. India is facing problems because of corruption. I have dreams of an india where there will be no poverty. So many had such dreams before but they had gone to the graveyards. What to do? Struggle. India is still fertile but we do not utilise it properly. Enmity between states. How can anyone stop the rays of sun, the passing gentle air but flowing river is stopped. Narrow mindedness. Big heart is needed. I have work now let me do it. I have to study the sun, the HE-Man.
The corruptive Indian ministers of south, north, west and east should think about going for Vanavaacham (vanvaas) and also think abt Sanyaacham(sanyaas). They have an option. Stop being greediful!.
Unmarried or married..women are always facing problems in this world. Eve-teasing, harassment in office where she works. I only tell about girls and women of good character. Bad girls invite..dont talk abt them. All the girls should be educated. They can help their family when there is need. Education is “light”. Thalibaan should allow girls to stand on their own legs. Educated married women can help their husbands by doing job this way the burden can be reduced. Money is important. Widowhood…this affects so badly the women of this world a lot. Physically and mentally women are facing lot of problems but she is called as the “mother”.
She is known as,
Kanyakumaari
Kaathyaayni
kaali
kannaki
kumuthini
Chakala kala valli
mohini
maari
paramanaayaki
pathmini
lokanaayaki
vaitheki
parachakathee
thevaki
meenakumaari
Thaai
Amman
Annapoorani
Pathirakaali
Santhochi Maatha
Vaichnavi
Thurkai
Ankaala Paramaeechwari
Chakathee
Chathee
Varalatchumi
makaalatchumi
thanalatchumi
thaanyalatchumi
chayalatchumi
The list never ends. :)
Aruvam (formless) had done a crime of creating “uma”. Women face unlimited problems everywhere. We will talk abt crime done by women against women later on. :)………Mother-in-law vs Daughter-in-law. :)
On behalf of Tamizhnadu, i congratulate One and Only Mr.Amitabh Bachan on his birthday. I used to watch his films with my father in bangalore city, the M.G.Road full of cinema halls. Laawaris, Don, Sholay, Muqadar ka Sikander are some of the films still so fresh like icy raindrop. Amitabh the great actor and we tamizhans are expecting Chennai Express to visit TN. Shahrukh Bhai is loved by all. Kisi kisi ke kismet mein khoob saara pyaar aur izzat likha hua hota hai. Log inko dekh kar deewaane ban jaate hain. Ab patha chalta hai duniya mein religion kuch cheez hai hi nahi hai bas “pyaar” hi Eeesa hai. “Anbe Chivam”.. Love is God.
Ever-green actors with charming personality and incredible talent. Shall be remembered always. Music and Films have no religion, colours, creed, borders etc. Only cunning politicians have spoiled the cordial relationship and friendship and aiming all the time how to feed the devil “enmity”.
I also remember today Late Balraaj Sahni Saab, his acting in “Garam Hawa” I am stunned and speechless. What a performance. He was natural not at all acting in tht film.
Maamallapuram the tourist spot of Tamizhnadu needs modern toilet too. Tourists are the worst affected here… All the tourist spots of India note this point. How can anyone stop or control the call of the nature? Temples, please grow more and more margosa trees and banyan trees for the devotees to meditate and let them inhale the medicated air also. Health is wealth.
Thenaali Raaman, the humorist of an ancient court of King said, we can control even hunger but not the call of the nature. :) by saying this he won the gift and remembered forever.
WAZIR-E-AZAM, Birbal of Akbar’s court is also to be remembered. The true entertainers of Ancient time who used to make the kings laugh a lot. Humour is also a therapy.
Tolerating everything is also a “challenge” and the world would one day come to know in what way tamizhans and tamizhnadu had been facing the atrocities committed by so many devils. This history has the records. Learn and leave. What can I say? If there is God, the name and existance of God itself irriates the Evil power…I strongly believe.. just like that if there is TRUTH that is TAMIZH it would irritate all the satanic forces. We have to tolerate everything with mental strength. Tamizh is HOLY SOUL. It shall be ALWAYS. It is PURE, EVER-GIVING SOUL FULL OF CHASTITY. Chivan is the Witness. Everywhere Tamizh is living, the oldest one, Tham-il…the endless one. I remember today those departed souls who fought to protect this divine language. No one can deny the fact that SUN is for all and no one can ever deny also the fact that Tamizh is everywhere. Tamizh never makes noise it is always calm, we are only struggling…facing negative forces all the time.
Tamizh is not a human it is NATURE. Dont ever compare this with humans the most poisonous ones. Humans are always conspirators. I hate.
I feel so sorry and shocked to know the sudden demise of the lovable daughter of legendary singer Mrs.Asha Bhonsle. May the Almighty give the family strength to tolerate this tragic end of their beloved daughter. Destiny is playing cruel games too. Depressed girls and boys should be given importance. Sharing and caring will bring lot of changes and smile on face. One should not leave the depressed people alone. The brain would take the opportunity to fill up negative thoughts. “Mental Iilness” is the worst ailment. Music is also a therapy. Miracle is needed to cure the hearts full of pain.
Mr.S.M.Krishna..message for the Minister, Dont poke your nose into matter that does not concern you. About Kaveri, if there is excess water it may please be released. After thorough check-up only, the decision to release water to TN was taken. Why suddenly the minister is intervening? Tamizhans know already his betrayal. Does he believe “Re-birth” concept? Annapoorani would put her glance on him too. Kaveri, the name of the river is purely tamizh. Kuthavari (godavari) is also tamizh name. The minister should know what is the importance of “giving” and the boon is granted by the Almighty for being generous towards humanity. I said, 70% of humans are atheist. Stop playing the mythological role of “Naaratha”…Hell with mythology. “Narathan” is no one but the SUN.
About “Kaveri” the opinions of Mr.Subramaniam Swamy are needed. What would he call it? “Tamizh Sentiment” ?? Media should get the answer from him. If he ever say that it is purely tamizhan’s issue then who are those people who call themselves iyers and iyangars and reside in tamizhnadu. Purely selfish opinions. Co-operation, friendlyness and support are the must things to think about the welfare of TN here all the people from all the states of india and people from various countries are also living. Nature is giving water and politicians are playing foul games to satisfy their selfish aims. An Atheist with pure good conscience should be called a thiest. Think about it.
“Charu Kechi” (charu kesi) …the one who is with water on his head. Charu is water. kecham is hair.
“Charu Latha”…the hairy head with water ..latha means the climber or creeper like hair.
“Charu Chalam”…the region of water. (salem the district in tamizh nadu should be prounounced as chalam)
“Charu Maithee” (charumathi) ..the one who is water.
“Chanmukan”…the watery faced. Mukam is face or the meeting place.
“Chanthira Mathee” (chandramathi) …water
“Mathee” in tamizh is also the “moon” as it does not produce heat.
“Kunthala Kechari”…the one who is holding water on his hairy head. Ku is water and thalai is head, kecham is hair.
“Kunthalani” Chakathee (kundalini shakti) … watery headed fire (sun)
“Kumpa Melam” (kumbh mela, haridwar) ….the meeting place near water( in Arithuvaaram (haridwar) ancient tamizhans, the chivan devotees used to gather here) or the sound produced near rivers a way of worship… Melam is an instrument that makes unique sound.
“Maithili”…again water.
“Maiylan”….water
“Maithiran”…the capacity of water…thiran the energy.
“Maina” or “Meenam”(fish) …water related.
“Meena Lochani”….the world of water….Lo is ulakam (lok) Chan is water.
“Maika Nathan” (meghnath) The Lord of water. (maikam (megha) is cloud in tamizh)
“Thiriveni Chankamam” (Triveni Sangam)…the meeting of three rivers with white coloured waves.
“Charpa Eechwaran”(sarbeswaran, sarbesh)… The Father of water.
“Kaala Pairavan” (kaalbhairav)…The Lord of Time.
“Paathaala Pairavi” (paathal bhairav)…The Lord of Underworld, the core of earth.
5 elements were responsible for making tamizh words. (Nature)
“Kunthalani chakathee” (kundalini Shakti) is connected with “snake” because the power that moves up create the stimulating sensation and makes one feel in his sub-conscious mind that snake is crawling up from the bottom through the spine to the top to knock the power of reasoning. Conscious mind can not understand what kind of power is this. Mysterious power that wakes up the mind of the person with sincere questions full of purity. We can not all the time say this is science related because someone up there is operating who makes the destiny. It is testing all the time. It controls.
Charpam (sarpam) is also a tamizh name for “snake”. Again, wrong meaning given. But, since kunthalini power is connected with chivan (sun), the charpam the name got its place in tamil literature as snake. “Charaka Muni” the one who has water inside. “Char” the water and “akam” inside
Chivan is also called as the “Piramachari” (Brahmachari) the exact meaning is the illusionary matter that holds water. Purely mysterious and magical ball of fire…ok..dont go deep into the subject….brahmachari does not mean “a person who is unmarried”. One should understand the exact meaning. Only by studying the tamizh language that too from a good Tamizh scholar would clear the confusions. Today, the girls and boys are not interested in tamizh they dont show interest in knowing ancient culture and tradition but they spend their time in chatting and dating. :) and spoilt students indulge themselves in beating each other…everywhere politics :) BJP and CONGRESS have spoiled the whole nation. What about third major party, what is the name? Jan-e-Kalyaan, Mangal-e-Jan, Kanoon-e-Lok, Anth-e-bhrashtachaar, Mangal-e-hindusthaan, Shubha-e-hindusthaan, Jyothimay-e-Lok, Roshni-e-kanoon??? am curious to know :)
“Chanmukan” (shanmuga), Kumaran (kumar), Venkatachalam, venkatachalapathi, (venkatajalapati) venkataeechwaran (venkataeeshwar), “Vennai” is butter in tamizh obviously, the waves of sea, rivers etc. are compared with white coloured butter. Paalaachi (balaji) Kuvinthan (govind), Narayanan (narain) all are water related names given to “Sun” only. I should study about “Aarumukan” the meaning given “six faced god” in tamizh.. dont know how it changed. but in tamizh “AaRu” is also river.
“Karu Mai” or “KaN Mai” is the black paste applied on eyes for cooling effect. So, Mai gives the meaning of “Coolness”. “Kaajal” in hindi but it should be “Kuchal” (kuchalam, water) the fact the paste is not in liquid form if they call it “Churumai” then it is correct. The pounded paste. Chooranam is (crushed) powder in tamil dictionary of siddha medicine.
“Rawa Kechari” a sweet made here in tamizhnadu is saffron coloured (ariticial powder is used). May be “Kechari” is one of the names of “chivan” (fire).. so, this name “Kechari” was given to that sweet made of broken rawa (broken wheat). “Kunkuma Poo” (kesar) is also called in english as Saffron this flower is used as a flavour and colour to enhance the taste of milk. Kashmir is famous for saffron.
“Kunkumam” (red coloured powder and liquid) in tamizh is “bindi” in hindi. “pinaka” the name is attached with Chivan so “bindi” would mean “piNathee” the fire of chivan. (sun). “PiNam” in tamizh is dead body and “thee” is fire, the “Chithai” (chitah). Where we apply “bindi” the centre..it is the place of “third eye”(wisdom).
GUJARATI and MARATHI are names related to the worship of Murukan (cock). Kucharathee would mean “ku”, water and “chalam” again water “Ara”n” the protector and “thee” the fire.. ie., the Sun the protector of water.. and… “Mara” is kumaran and Thee is fire…again same meaning both ku”ma” (water) and ra (the protector, the fire, the SUN). These names show the tamizhan culture and nature of worshipping Sun God in those regions. The fire that was lit for all the humans, CHIVAN.
Paraatham (Bharatham)
Chaaratham (Charatham)
kucharaatham (kucharaatham)
maraatham (maraatham)
Punchaappa kechari (punjab kesari)
chaaru aachaan (chaaru haasan)
kamala aachaan (kamala haasan) (pineal gland) (naapi kamalam)
There are so many names given to chivan in tamizh. “Atham” holds both the beginning and the end..we dont know the detail of this “atham”.
Amma, Aaatha, Aaachi, Achan, Aaayi, Aiyya, Ayan, Annan (anna), Aaanthee (andy), Aran (the protector) all are some of the names created for SUN.
Chaaratham is prounounced as Sharda wrongly. Tamizh the creator of words.
Chivan the Messiah operated for all.
Messiah …Ma (mother) +Eechan (eesa)+ Aiyaa (master).
When the prounciation changes the true meaning also changes. TRUTH IS TRUTH.
Chivan is sending heat waves in abundance for Tamizhnadu, but the Govt. is not using it to produce solar power. I should appreciate Kerala Govt. for preparing plans for using solar power. Tamizhnadu is not tortoise but very much slow like snail and kerala is rabbit in this case. Knowledge is needed. Tamizhans know how to worship “Chivan” but wont think about his “power”. Foolishness. Convicts in Central Jail in Pujapra of Trivandrum, Kerala would get the benefits of solar power, they would use the power in the kitchen to make chappaatis with chicken gravy., 10,000 homes are going to get solar power for domestic purposes. The question is What are we tamizhans doing? Please do not forget to put the switch off, i see the street lights glow even in daytime. Learn how to save electricity. Coming are rainy days..save drops of rain for harvesting. Be friendly with neighbour states. Let them use water and if there is excess tell them to release.
From “ICHAKI AMMAN” of Thirunelveli District, deep south city of Tamizhnadu to “ESKIMO” of Alaska, EECHAN (Eeesa) and AMMAN (Ma) are ruling…Enough for today…Chivan is not stimulating my pineal gland (naapi Kamalam), i hope he would start stimulating my brain if i ever talk about UMA (Kanyakumari). Chivan is very very sensitive natured…Uma should be obedient….Chiva Chiva … Kumaara ……keep chanting this you will get “Raama”..one of the names of Sun and Water (Ra and Ma)
hey all of you..i am back to pour my emotions. :) i have to..if not i would be blabbering at home at the same time irritating all the members also…ok…now..what? New party is introduced today but not the name i am sure. whatever the name…we, the people of india want fertile india with people smiley faced :) i know life is all about ups and down … but in india there are so many villages still do not have proper basic facilities like road, water, hospital, school, colleage, bank etc.etc. What are we going to do for those innocent villagers? We, the city people should not neglect villagers..they are producing grains and vegetables for us all..is it not? ok..Congratulations for the new political party introduced by Mr.Arvind Kejariwal and his supporters. May God help the new team to fulfil the basic needs of the people. The team members should understand, help and co-operate each other to see future full of brightness with happiness. :) First, Krishi Darshan… pind vich sab theek hai ki nahi?
Pind in punjabi means village….Pindam in tamizh means the core as well as flesh. If we apply the meaning of “core” for village it would be proper because before civilisation started there was only village life so, neglecting villages would affect the economy of the country badly. Think abt it deeply.
OK. before going to enjoy ?? holidays, cant predict anything :) i want to sing a tamizh old song i dont know why for the last 3 days i have been singing this song, :) in the film Great Actor, Late Mr.Sivaji Ganesan sang this song and Saurashtran Singer T.M.Saundraraajan had sung this beautifully with emotions. the lyrics of this song follows. Both the legends are remembered today. Legends are Legends always.
“Paloooti valartha kili
Pazham koduthu paartha kili
Naan valartha pachai kili
Naalai varum kacherikku
Chellamma…..Enthan Chellammaa….Chellamma….Enthan Chellaamma..
Translation, i had been giving this green parrot milk and fruits with love, this parrot would come to attend the function tomorrow…. :)
Without knowing the exact meaning why the actor was singing and what was the situation in the film..am singing now… tears from eyes too.. :)
TAMIZH AND MUSIC ARE MY SOUL :) .. Away from the narrow minded world :)
Tamizh Vaalka!! Isai Vaalka!
I am told in the film there is a clash between a dutiful and kind old father and a adopted brat. Why adopted son is so adamant and thankless? Is it because they come to kno one day tht his father and mother both are not his real parent. Confusion. Ok….Kacheri in tamizh means court of law its not function. mistake happens sometimes.
Tamizhans remember always good hearted people. Its very difficult to get good name from them. They are very soft hearted and generous people. Thats why so many devils are still enjoying here. Raj Pakse does not belong to the tamizh soil of Ilankai and he is remembered as a ill hearted person and his speech as “devil’s speech”..He murdered lakhs of tamizhans in their own soil. History does not forget anything. Tamizhans are exploited in Ilankai. Both India and Srilanka have committed sin cant be erased. NEVER.
Mr.Vaiko has done a noble job for the tamizhans, history shall remember him forever. There is a need to make the people of this world to understand what is actually going on here in India. The govt. which is responsible for committing crimes against tamizhans any time should be observed carefully. God has forgotten to fix hearts in them. We have been giving them continuously but they cant be satisfied. They are full of greediness. How can they ever put their feet on the holy land of TAMIZHANS without guity conscience. Both BJP and CONGRESS if they are knowing the real meaning of “deed” then they should not come to tamizhnadu to ask for votes. Exploitation.
Congress has looted the country so far and now BJP would continue..there should be strong rules and regulations to punish politicians when they are caught corrupted but unfortunately we do not have such legal system in india. It has become now a “rope stunt”..one would throw and another would catch, we had been watching this stunt silently so far for so many years and its a matter of shame that no new party is emerging.. does that mean no one has guts to form a party to protest against this sinful stunt…rich politicians would always be rich and poor people would be poor as usual. Govt.’s money to run the country has now become the personal property of crooked politicians, people raise the issue but because of “amnesia” they dont remember.. it seems because daily there is non-stop new scandal, which one to be followed and probed.. this kind of robbery is different..no hard work of breaking and looting, smoother ways are followed. May we request the politiicians to retire voluntarily and give chance to young guys and girls to run this country?
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Sab lut gaya to ab kya karen…..this proves the helplessness of people.
Oru uthavi entru naam thedi nirkkum pozhuthu entha oru kadavulum mannirkku irangi vanthu seyyaamal manithan roopathil thaan vanthu seyya mudiyum. Vanthu seyyum manithan.. thaan entha matham, enna saathi, enna niram entru koora maataan. Uthavi perupavanum athai ketkka maattan. Angu thaan “ithayam” ennum anbu irukkum. Engu manithan.manithanukku niram, kulam, perumai paarkkaamal uthavi seyvaano angu thaan kadavul vaasam seyvaan. Ithayame illaamal palar koyilil archanai seygiraargal enbathai vida appaavi makkalin kaasai kuriyaay vaithu thaan pizhaikiraargal enbathu thaan sariyaana pathilaai irukka mudiyum. Entru manithanukku manithan ethiraay irukkiraano avanul “ithayam” enbathai kadavul vaikka maranthu vittaan, antha idathil “kallaithaan” vaithu ullaan enbathu purinthu vidum. Pala poraattangal poraadi, Mannai izhanthu, than urimayay izhanthu, ellaame koduthum aasai adangaatha Panam, porul ithai adaiya virumbum makkalukku innum vaari vazhangiyum entha oru nanmaiyum adaiyavillai. Oru pakkam ANu Ulai (nuclear plant) Oru pakkam kaaveri neer prachanai, oru pakkam sivakaasi sogam (uyirai edukkum pandigaigal thevaiya?) entru engu paarthaalum avala nilamai thaan. Oru kelvi, Kadavul manithargalai padaithu avargalul “kodiyavargalaiyum” padaithu enna thaan sothithu kondu irukkiraan? Innum naam matham, palavidamaana nambikkaikal entrum nammai naame pirithu kondu ullome athu ethanaal? Ellorum manithargal thaane, iraivan oruvan mattum thaane.
Those who are against tamizhans should start think about “DEEDS” (KARMA THEORY).
if everyone starts thinking about KARMA THEORY how can there be circle of life…there would be end of life and end for this whole earth, this earth should revolve so knowingly God had created sinners also. :)
Tamizhanin varalaatril avan chooriyanai thaan appan chivanaagavum, maariyay thaan ammanaagavum kumbittu vanthu irukkiraargal. Intru tamizhan prachanai entru ethu vanthaalum nalla yosanai kooraamal muthalil atharkku ethiraay kural kodupatho, ezhuthuvatho yaar enbathuai nangu arivulla makkal purinthu kondu iruppaargal. Kaalam kaalamaai vervai, irathham sinthi uzhaithu serthu vaitha panam, nagai anaithum kondu poi koyilil kottiyum palan illai. .. koyilil irakkame illaamal chilaikku aruge othupavar thannai bhramanar entru koori kolpavar tamizhanukkaka entraavathu poraadi irukiraargala? Theruvil vanthu kural koduthaara? illaiye..Eppozhuthum avan tamizhan azhivathai thaan virumbuvaargal. Iruppathai enakku kodu..nee sethhu madi engiraargal Tamizh maNNil kaal vaithu, vasithu, tamizh pesi, ezhuthi, intha mannil irunthu, uNavu undu, neerai kudithum intrum manathalavil tamizh makkalodu ontraathavargal. Maanam, vetkam, rocham, choodu, churanai ellaam nam tamizh thalavargalum, intha maN mel paasam kaattum islaamiyargal silarum thaan nyaayathirkkaaka kural koduthu varugintraner. Kadavul enna kaasai entraavathu vaai thiranthu kettatha? Iniyaavathu urangi kondu irukkum tamizh makkal ezhunthu tamizhar nalanukkaaka poraada vendum. Indiyavil muyarchi seythum palan illai enil ulaga makkalukku nam poraatathai solli avargalin aatharavai naada vendum. India arasaangam pasu thol porthiya puli enbathai vida “nari” enbathu thaan sariyaay irukkum. Irakkame illaathorai nam maNNil vittu vittu “vanthavarai vaazha vaippom” entru kooruvathu kozhaithanmaana pathilaai thaan irukka mudiyum. Veeram enge?? Nam kalaachaaram enge?? Nam perumai, uzhaippu, paNpaadu enge? Adimaiyaay oru silarkku panividai seyvathai vida poraadi vetri kaanbathe chaala chirantha kaariyamaai irukkum. Yaar nallavar, yaar kettavar enbathai purinthaale velicham thaan.
Only 20% of tamizh brahmins support tamizhans. The rest are purely SELFISH and EXPLOITATIVE. Stop cheating tamizhans. There should be LIMIT.
Those who can even easily cheat Gods, would they ever stop a second to help? Good conscience is necessary to understand the problems and help. You cant expect such things from people who are heartless. God only can show the results.
We are trapped between both Congress and BJP. Both will always conspire against tamizhans. By allowing nuclear project in tamizhnadu in a tsunami prone area they had again shown they are always and will be conspirators. BJP is anti-tamizh political party, exactly like Congress and they were especially the family of Mrs.Sushma Swaraj is having very good relationship with the family of Raj Pakshe. No one can hide facts and secrets for so long, it shall come out one day..God is silently watching the deeds. As far as the matter of tamizhans are concerned there are no difference of opinions, confusions and disapproval between Congress and BJP. Both are same. This game has been so far played by both the partie and they have both again proved the fact that they are Anti-tamizhans by inviting the murderer Raj Pakshe. Two or three cruel hearted persons can make 100 people to follow them and command. They dont care about scams and scandals and genocide. Unless they make their Hearts pure and caring, no one can save this country. Greediness and selfishness are the reasons.
Not only tamizh literature but buddist literature also knows a chaste and generous tamizhan girl called “MANIMEKALAI” who is known for preaching buddism at the same time the subject “Charity”. Even now, tamizh literature praises this glorious girl. After experiencing what Mrs.Sushma Swaraaj is doing, now, tamizhans are going to remember this betrayal for so many coming lives. One has to give answer, she would face too. People always remember good hearted people their good deeds are respected and given a special place in the history. “Pen Entraal Peyyum Irankum” enbathu tamizh proverb… What that devil would do after seeing Sushma…She would run away from her… Hearty people are always remembered.
Dear Manimekalai, i am very much impressed after reading your story, you already grabbed my mind and had been coming with me eversince i was in school, same emotions again, you are a wonderful and chaste girl, i dont have words to describe you. i would like to meet you in my next life hopefully, i am dying to see you. Be with me always. Thanks.
Uranium is being loaded without giving importance to all the safety measures. God knows the destiny of koodankulam’s innocent and poor people. Why always the voice of poor people is neglected? Trivandram, Kanyakumari etc would also face the tragedy if there is leak of radiation from uranium.
Always remember there are not only natural accidents some are man-made too. Humans are the most poisonous one..keep this in mind always. This whole earth is made with two forces.. both positive and negative. Good and Evil. The job of satan is to create confusion, death, calamity here the satan is “nuclear” this power is against nature…always be prepared to face nuclear accident. 70% of people are ethiest but they call themselves thiest. TRUTH. Knowingly done sin is called as Sin of Satan.
KANAPATHI MORIYA…is actually KANAM (heat) PATHI (lord) MAARI (water) AYYA (Master or Sir).
kanyakumaari
kannaiyya (Kanhaiyya)
kanapathi (Ganpati)
kankai (Ganga)
Kanaka Thurkai (Kanaka Durga)
Kanthan (Kaanth)
Chooriya Kanthan
Kanchan (Kaanchan)
All are pure tamizh words. “Kan”apathi and Muru”kan” all are representing SUN only full of heat and magnetic power. Kaantham in tamizh means manet. One should just observe the tamizh “OM” carefully and learn the hidden meaning. Both science and spirtual matters.
Kanpati Bappa is Kanapathi Appan. Tamizh culture everywhere.
Chivan does not like that fact that i give importance to Uma. I know Him very well. Yes. Chivan is the creator of Uma. My appa, Chivane, Be cool. I am with you always. I know you are the OMNIPOTENT. I wont forget Him ever. He was the first one to stimulate my brain. He is my Father. I respect Him a lot.
YOU and Me ..both are illusion. Human Body is illusion. Life is Illusion. Death is illusion. The whole earth is illusion. Father and Mother are illusions. “Ellaaame Maayai”…SAB MAAYA HAI…We are shown only the 5 elements…the Creator is an ILLUSION.
Tamizhai kaakavo, Tamizh makkalai kaakavo,Tamizh MaNNai kaakavo, oru prachanaiykku theervu kaanavo tharkolai thaan mudivu entraal “vetri” enbathai irunthu paarkka mudiyuma? Tamizh makkal unarchi miguthiyaal tharkolai seyyum eNNaithai kaivittu uyirudan irunthu poraadi vetri kaaNa vendum. Committing suicide is cowardly act of the weak minded people. Outside brave but inside coward.. Life is struggle but only after crossing the tunnel we see the light. We should not care about the distance. Thousands of years had been spent to create one language called Tamizh..why should anyone end his life to solve problems? Heart and Brain should be strong. Almighty is watching us all..our struggle. He knows about justice. He pays attention. Our deeds are noticed.
Mrs. Sushma Swaraj, BJP has committed a crime of inviting the cruel hearted Raj Pakshe to india, here, i would like to remember the struggle of tamizhans for so many thousands of years to survive and keep alive the language TAMIZH. She should now ask Raj Pakshe one question, Does he follow buddism really?.. She has become a sinner also now with Pakshe…By destroying and damaging mosques, churches and temples in Ilankai(srilanka) Raj pakshe had proved that he wants only buddism on this earth to survive. The matter is not Buddha or Buddism but the good morals the ways that tell humans how to be human..thats it…there is a need to extract the good things from Holy books without selfishness. So many Saints of all the religions had written for us all good messages..Religion is not important…Chivan (shiva) is not important but the good things which are written in his name should be taken. Over-obsession does not help us all. We all should be broad minded to read all the valuable books in the name of religion and be friendly. Debate and discussion should be friendly that too with SMILE and HAPPINESS. Finally the small organ called HEART wins always!
Chinese should be friendly with japanese and willing to help them. Why dont they respect the feelings of japanese? Need of humanity.
Pachai in tamizh means green. Pachupathi (pashupati) is the LORD the SUN the dancing king showing his aura sometimes, he is protecting the green plants and also protecting plant eating animals (herbivorus) and he is kind towards flesh eating animals (carnivorus) also… So, he is always kind and compassionate. SUN is named as our FATHER but he is far away..UMA is very near with caring attitude and motherly affection…But, we humans and animals cant live without both APPA (fire) and AMMA (water). Kanya is fire, heat and kumaari is water and rain. whether we call them UMMISA or CHIVACHANKARI (shivshankari) both are same… Two in One.
Father PIRAMAN has always been ILLUSION..still he is. He alongwith Kumari has atlast made all the humanbeings so emotional..The couple should understand now that they are loved by all. We show our affection in many ways..LOVE AND OBSESSION.
Who is winning the race after all? Uma or Chivan? Both of them are ILLUSION. No need for race.
KANYAKUMARI is MOTHER..very near to all the newborn babies. Baby understands very well about its mother not father. Only when mother tells about who is its father it comes to know..so mother is special “UMMISA” (always respected given special place in all the faiths of this world but still not touched by anyone so pure and holy )…but Father is far away from us all… the mysterious, the ever stimulating… full of secrets, strange but very near, serving, generous, great, PARAMAN, (PA, RAAMAN ) PACHUPATHI (the protector of all animals both domestic and wild) KATHIRAVAN (kathir – rays, avan-he) (kathi..Raavan) CHOORIYAN (SUN)…(choo-heat…ri – she..ayan – sir or master)…PARAMAPATHAM (Prophet)…. PIRAPPUAACHI (Prophesy) PIR”APPU” and AACHI..both Father and Mother…Property (pira-para-thee)….so many words have relation with SUN and TAMIZH.
PIRAPATHAM….”AATHAM” without beginning and the endless one the PROPHET…the SUN…PIRAMAN..the ILLUSION…the RA…..AAN THEE..the male fire…PEN THEE (pentir)..the female fire… the MYRA (meera) my – moisture or water or steam and heat one RAATHAI (full of flame)..KUPAALAN (gopal) (the protector of water) KURAVAN (the one who is having both ku..water and ra – heat. Maikanaathan (Meghanath) the one who is having water inside the clouds.
I said, that you are generous and kind hearted, serving. You could not understand me well. I said that you are creating uma. OK. you are ALL and EVERYTHING. I got it. Now, Be Calm.
One who has washed his hands with blood of innocent tamizhans should not come to india.. Rajapakshe..can anyone say that he has done humanitarian work? Tamizhans are not given rights and opportunities they deserve. Sinhalese are the illeagal immigrants who entered into the land of tamizhans so cunningly but with smile heart full of dirt to destroy them all. Rajapakshe had done lots and lots of crimes against HUMANITY. How can he even touch the word “buddha” the another meaning is “non-violence”. His whole body should tremble if he ever thinks about the crimes he committed in the past. He should not even smile. He should fall down on the feet of Buddha to forgive him. His sins would never be get washed. He would see his next birth full of turmoil. Tamizhans had cursed him still cursing would continue. India is also going to fill its body with the innocent blood of tamizhans by inviting this criminal. STOP exploiting tamizhans.
The word “RAB” ..the Almighty has been formed from the tamizh word for that ominipresent power “PIRAPPU”…here “Appu” means father (appan, appa). This “Appu” is also pronounced as “Abbu” or “Abba”. Everything had especially all the words of all the languages relation with tamizh language. One day the whole world would accept this fact. KANYAKUMARI, the cradle of civilisation.
When the evil “uranium” ever touch this holiest “Kanyakumari” she shall start cursing the whole earth. She has been so far observing silently. She and He were the reasons for creating tamizhans and they should call all of them inside. Put an end to all the pain and problems..they had suffered a lot and tolerated everything. No more tears..cant satisfy anyone all are full of greediness and exploitative natured.
Sun and Chukanya both names hold the meaning “heat”…Chukanya (heat)..”kumari” is water.
People are said to be suffering from “Amnesia” in india the fact is they dont forget anything..so many scandals very much famous infact notorious so far gifted by political parties..but innocent people are helpless because the law of this land does not probe anything properly. Comman Man is standing inside the centre of circle and all are clapping hands the place is Circus company. Comedy but infact tragedy.
The Govt. should not try to divert the people’s attention from koodankulam nuclear project by creatiing sensational news like price hike of diesel this and that. Without providing all the safety pressures they should not fill up uranium, slightest leakage would damage the living cells of the human body..the innocent people are not frogs and rats of laboratory to be tested. Why the govt.not building such plants near Marina beach, Eliots beach and Besant Nagar beach, if they ever, then only the people especially those who support the plant would come to the streets to protect. All about selfishness. Innocent and poor people are always tested. It seems there is always conspiracy against tamizh community. Just like they snatched katchatheevu and made the sinhalese to attack and kill the tamizhans they are now targetting again how to finish the people. There is no need of electricity when people are having horrible nightmare. Where would the people go if there is leakage of uranium? Answers are needed.
Message for all the Koodankulam Project
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Growing PALM TREES around upto 10 metres would stop the radiation from the nuclear plant if there is danger. MIND THIS… Because PALM TREES (panai maram) have the abilities to control the leak of radiation for upto maximum 3 hours. The radiation would start burning the tree first and then cross the border..so by planting more and more palm trees would make the people relieved from their mental agony. Start planting this tree from now onwards.
Also, the people of koodankulam and nearby villagers should plant this wonder and divine tree near their homes. This tree should occupy the area of koodankulam and nearby villages. By doing this it will work as “FIRST AID”.. “Messiah” and “protect” the people. so, people can also escape from tragedy.
Can anyone pass this message to the people of koodankulam and the plant????
All the nuclear plants should take this message seriously and do the needful at the earliest. No one knows even now PALM TREE can tolerate harmful effects of poison mixed in the air.
Just like “Thunder Obsorber” (Idi Thaangi) this palm tree can obsorb the radiation leakage. This tree is the “Thala Vritcham” (the supreme tree) of Tamizhnadu. From the cradle to the graveyard..from birth to death… this tree has been the protector of people from germs and bacteria especially soon after the delivery of a child, the leaves of this palm tree are kept around the mother and child to protect them from virus attack and also this tree is used to burn the dead bodies also in the graveyard. This tree is very very ancient in nature.. useful in many ways. Ancient practice was to give the newborn child before mother’s milk …palm sugar full of antibiotic qualities. Even now people follow this practice in deep south villages and cities of tamizhnadu. Just try to understand the good qualities of this tree full of wonderful information. Knowledge is powerful.
Villagers build their huts using the leaves of this tree to protect themselves from harmful effects of poisonous matters mixed in the air and also it protect them from the strong and powerful rays of sun. The leaves of this tree are very very strong. No tree even banyan tree cant tolerate the radiation eventhough it is called as the “immortal tree”. Banyan (Aala Maram) and Sacred Fig (Aracha Maram) trees are used only for meditation and known for giving shelter for birds. We will learn about “ozone” and banyan tree later on. Can Tamizhnadu stop constructing flats and apartments and plant more and more trees and make the state a “Green state”? GLOBAL WARMING.
its’ 10 kilometres not 10 metres…sorry.
Tamizhan mattum thaan than nalanukkaaka poraadi kolla vendum, veru yaarum poraada maataargal, athisayamaai veru yaarum tamizhanukkaaka poraadinaal athu vithiyaasamaai thaan paarkkapadum…ellaame suyanalathodu thaan tamizh mannirrkku varuvaargal..ithu thaan marukka mudiyaatha unmai..poraadi petra payanai anubavikka pala koottangal ingu undu…namithaavum, hansikaavuma poraaduvaargal? pananthai surandavuthu mattum avargalin kuri. Aniyaayam…Palar seyyum paavangalukku udanukkudan pathil kadavul koduppathillai..amaithiyaaga vedikkai paarthu marupiraviyil kodukkumaai irukkum…ellaavatrikkum oru ellai undu.
Na sirf shahron mein par gaon gaon mein har ek kissan, har ek coolie, har ek rickshawwala agar “Politics” ke baare mein jaanne laga hai to is ke kaaran “Annaji” aur “Arvind Kejriwalji” hain. Bharat Bhushan aur kiran ji bhi bahut awaaz de rahe hain. Har ek ke man mein saawaal hai, logon mein “Jaagruti” paida karaane mein kai log aaj kal din aur raat mehnat karne mein uthre hain. Yeh tareef ki baat hai. Kyonki hamse hai “Government” hamse bane hain desh ko chalaanewaale. Hamaare vote se hi hamaare khoon aur paseene se hi government chalta hai. Hame tukraana acchi baat nahi hai. Desh ke log aur Govt. ke beech mein shaanthi swaroop se har ek problem ko mittaane ka thareeka sochna zaroori hai. Chaahe party ke naam kuch bhi ho progress har ek insaan ki aur saath saath desh ki bhi hona zaroori hai. Dil khush ho to sab khush. Jaan hai to jahaan hai. India pehle kissan (farmer) aur Machuwaaron (fishermen) ke desh tha…aaj dono hi musibat mein hain. Kya unki bhi awaaz ham zara sune..un hi ki zameen par aaj ham sab khade hain.
Har ek vyakthi jo uranium ke khilaaf laraai mein uthra hai uski karthavya banta hai ki woh pehle Arvind Kejriwal ji ko shukriya ada karein. “Insaaniyat ki baat hai”..Kyonki yeh zindagi aur maut ke beech ki masla ban chuka hai. Uranium ek haanikaarak zahreela vasthu hai usse insaan ko kuch faaida nahi hai..zara si uranium hawa mein milne se kai tarah ke bimaari failaatha hai. Pehle se tamizhnaadu mein kalpaakkam mein nuclear plant hai to baar baar isi state mein khatra failaane waali nuclear plant ko kyon shuru kar rahe hain..kya tamizhnadu ko koi nahi chahta usko shamshaan ghaat bananaa chahte hain kya? jis din pehle pathhar koodankulam mein dhaala gaya yeh plant banaane ke liye usi din se logon mein dhar hai..bahut saalon se bholebaale log lar rahe hain. Mujhe yakeen hai duniya waale nuclear khilaaf awaaz denge…yen prithvi ko mitta dega ek din.
People of Tamizhnadu are thanking Mr.Arvind Kejriwal for making the whole world aware of the hazardous effect of uranium. Mr.Udaykumar is not a criminal to be arrested.It is the duty of every citizen of india not only tamizhan to stop the nuclear plant from functioning. Tamizhnadu is multi-cultural state, here not only tamizhans are living marathis, gujratis, saurashtrans, biharis, assamese, manipuris, telugus, malayaalis, punjabis and people from the whole world are living. So, all of them selflessly should also raise their voice against uranium. Its after all a matter of survival. Tamizhnadu is not only facing uranium threat but also tsunami threat all the time. So, we should give importance to the emotions of people here.
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It seems atlast they found the fact that Shining Sun is not “demanding” :) Frustration and corruption on earth leads humans to Chooriyan (surya)..the “Ayya”n the Master of all Trades.
The tamizhnadu govt. should stop torturing the poor and innocent people who protest against the koodankulam project. First of all, what is their problem and why do they feel so afraid? Is the place a tsunami prone? If they are really living near the dangerous area then they should be given a place where they can live peacefully and those who support koodankulam should go and live near the plant. will they ever??? Will all the politicians of india live near the plant? If they say “yes” then they can make the people tension-free and peaceful. We can find out new ways to produce power..already solar power is being tried. Stop this dictatorship in tamiznadu.
Before the uranium is filled, we should think about cancer, diabetes and other hazardous diseases caused by depleted uranium (DU). Money can come and go but life of humans once gone…gone forever. Compensation or relief money cant please the painful hearts
The Sinhalese should stop creating a “false scene” they want to spread the rumour that all the tamizhans of Ilankai are against tamizhans of TN. Stop this nasty and cunning game now itself. (so unique) Tamizhans also have brain to understand what is real and what is fake.. Sinhalese are playing foul games by creating funny cartoons of political leaders..The tamizhans of Ilankai should come forward to tell what kind of problems they are facing there … do they need help? Are they given the opportunities they deserve? What do they want actually? why dont they tell the world clearly? How can we people understand the real situation there.. vast ocean between the two countries. Tamizhans wont be blessed for worshipping chivan, murugan etc.etc. supersticious belief..Even Astrology cant save them…Astrology wud increase their agony…just open the mouth and reveal the facts. “Vaai ulla pillaikku thaan paal kidaikkum”…”crying baby gets milk”. TRUTH…the matter is “where to cry” and “how to cry”…stop piercing spears into your tongue and cheek and be brilliant and educated instead.
They cant stop sending spears and tridents deep into the skin because they had been doing this for thounsands of years :) to please gods barbaric indeed i think we have crossed those time and today the world is sending rockets into the sky and exploring sun (chivan, Eechwaran). Sun is interested in knowing about such heavy metals not spears. :) Ayan (sun) is tired actually he wants them all to be educated.
Ayan has been so far inspiration for so many the naugtiest MAYAANDI.
“Maayam” or “Maayay” in tamizh means illusion. Since the ancient tamizhan could not understand the exact nature and origin of Sun they named it “Maayan”..so undoubtedly, the name of the ancient civilisation “Maayan” is also from tamizh language. Why the Sun was called as “Mayaandi” the answer is Maayan the sun is an Andi..in tamizh it means one who is wandering aimlessly..but here Sun is indeed wandering with aim and doing its duty with discipline and punctually..yes from east to west and from west to east…this illusionary wanderer is still dominating all the cultures of this world.
The old custom of tamizhans shows the antiquity of their culture and their language as well. Deeply involved with the one and only powerful shining SUN…Awesome, mysterious, ever attracting huge ball of fire.
The names of cities of Ilankai are pure tamizh. Kanti (kandi), Thirikonamalai (triconamala), Mullivaaikaal, Mullaitheevu, kozhumbu (colombo), Anuraathapuram, mannaar etc. tell us that the sand and water and “each stone” belongs to tamizhans. Tamizhans are today suffering because over space was given to the cunning sinhalese, they are paying their price for doing a noble job full of generosity. They could not understand the real nature of people who entered into their land with cunning motive. Tragic indeed. Sinhalese had taken away our “katchatheevu” also from us and they are attacking tamizhan fishermen also for no fault on their part. Those attacking fishermen are all sinhalese not ilankai tamizhans. Note this point. It seems tamizhans are not given opportunities and space in all the fields. In India also the case is similar even tamzihan sportsmen are not given opportunities. This proves we are the victims of exploitation. All chase innocent tamizhans for exploiting them. Surrounded by satanic powers. They should go to hell and they are cursed..never born again to spread deed full of sin again. Earth is in need of good hearted souls..calamity, vegetation and one another creation.
Tamizhan thaan thannudaiya mosamaana nilaimaikku kaaranam. Avan thaan porruppu yerkka vendum. Otrumai illaatha tamizhan azhiyathaan vendum. vizhipunarchi illaatha tamizhan vaazhvathai vida irappathe mel…koyil kattiye, silai vadithe, suvarotti ottiye, nadigaigalaiyum ammanaakkiya kayavargal. ivargalukku suthanthiram kidaithum thaan enna payan? Saathi sandai poda nantraaga theriyum. Kadavule kathi entru iruppathaal avargalai thiruthavum mudiyaathu. Vaai irunthum kelvi kettka theriyaatha makkal.
I even now remember Mr.R.K.Laxman, the great cartoonist who used his cartoons to reform the society in a humorous way but not hurting anyone’s emotions. The “common man” so funny was the main character in his cartoon books. This common man would never question anyone but keep on watching. :) My father had his books in his book shelf. Mr.R.K.Narayan’s “Malgudi Days” book is also to be remembered at this moment. Meaningful and thoughtful books full of tradition and culture and message for all.
Fairy Tales always end with “they lived happily ever after”..but in india frustrated cartoonists are asking the question, “Can anyone stop circle of struggle? :) because our we cant stop “circle of life”.. :)
A 10-feet high bronze statue of “The Common Man” has been erected at the Symbiosis Institute, Pune.The Common Man has a wisp of “white hair” that is perpetually standing, leaving him with a bewildered look. :)
The President, Mr. K. R. Narayanan, will fly down to Pune tomorrow to unveil the eight-foot bronze statue. (17th December, 2001) :)
That common man is the uncommon creation of Mr. R.K. Laxman, the longtime cartoonist of the Times of India, seen with unfailing regularity in all his single- column page one pocket cartoon.
I cant stop laughing :)
Sikhism says, “Jin jio pind dita tis chiteh nahi. Mari masani mure jog nahi” which means “You do not remember Him, who has blessed you with soul and body. Visiting graveyards and cremation grounds does not provide union with God.”
The above lines had been written after seeing the function that was held in Sind region by the tamizhans in the graveyard an ancient practice of celebrating the fire “mayana kollai”..Maasaani Amman…just like Maari Amman. I agree with Sikhism here because me with them share the same thoughts. Well!. remembering the departed souls and visiting graveyards is undoubtedly “noble job”. But the way in which appreciating the Almighty in an uncivilised manner(even now) by some group of people is totally wrong. Dont treat this matter emotionally there is a need for reformation. (Emotions are attached with so many festivals in india but in a foolish manner..i hope time and education wud eradicate such deep rooted festivals.)
God does not bless just because we worship him in different unique ways..He is beyond our imagination..no one knows what He has for us all…He operates thats all i know..Someone Reformer who opposed hinduism died at the age of 95 and someone who followed hinduism died at the age of 16 also….all about Deed and Destiny.
God does not care about religions and different faiths but thinking about how to keep the “FUEL” safe for the next 500 years which his creation SUN is keeping with sincerity..God is really “workaholic”..may be some people misunderstood this word workaholic and so they are feeding Bhairava (chivan) with whiskey (alcohol) especially in north india. :) Drunkards always need excuse and search reasons to consume whiskey. :) If chivan ever make plunge into whiskey how wud he survive? He is still burning his liver is safe. :)
Tamil Nadu State Marketing Corporation (TASMAC) is responsible for burning the stomach of poor tamizhans. TASMAC made atlast the innocent guys crave for alcohol they are ruined today. Their families are shattered and hopeless. A Govt. should not sell a good that spoils the life of thousands of illiterate people but TN govt’s aim is only profit. Money-minded. A glass of buttermilk or lemon juice or even chukku thanni (dried ginger based sherbat) can help the people regain their energy, why do they seek whiskey to remove pain from their body? Slow poison. doomed forever. Kudi kudiyay kedukkum. Drinking alcohol is injurious to health.
“ANAL HAQ” ..i will write about the inner meaning of these words uttered by the innocent Mansoor who lost his life because people could not understand him well in the past.
“ANAL HAQ” is not “I am the truth” or “I am the God”..but Fire. Because we in tamizh say for fire “Anal” and also “Akkini” so many words to praise “Neruppu (noor), “Thee” (chaka”thee”..Shakti) and also some unknown ancient words we dont have records or may be somewhere they are hidden. old tamizh Literature should be explored…ok Now, Mansoor was uttering “anal haq” because he found one day that “fire” that is the Sun was responsible for making all the living beings survive..so he wanted to convey this divine or the message full of truth to the humanity, but he was misunderstood by the people and was punished. How his life was? what kind of opinions he had..no need…May his departed soul rest in peace!. But the truth still now is that we can not deny this fact because we have also “heat” in our body…can anyone deny this fact? if there is denial then the answer is “we are adamant” or “we are not shown the real facts”..our humanbody is alive because of 5 elements..heat is responsible for running this skeleton covered by the perishable skin not “ice”…ice can protect our body after we loose our breathing abilities but heat plays both the role of destroying as well as protecting…so, “Anal Haq” means “the existance of the truth fire” inner meaning “sun” which is full of heat waves…Who is the creator of this huge fire ball? still mystery….”Mindblowing Maaayandi”
“Maayan Thee” (the illusionary man called fire) is also called as “Chenkalvara”ayan” means the “red stone” (chen-red and kal – stone). The word “Aanthee” pronounced today as “Andy” the wanderer had been formed from “Maayanthee” after observing his nature of roaming around like a prankster.
Maayan..Ma+Ayan…Mother and Father.
“Ma Haq Par Hu” would mean that i am sitting on fire ie..the core of this earth. TRUTH…just like hatching hen..we are sitting on an egg’ yellowish yolk..the burning flame in the centre point..our whole earth is spherical shaped huge rock but has uneven crusted outer layer thrown from the sun, had to cross so many millions of years to cool down because of unstoppable heavy rain, thereafter vegetation, crawling tiny worms etc. thereafter humans with brain and heart and six senses the sixth sense actually connects.
After reading some comments on net, i have got news about a new comfortable job that is the job of “priest” in temples (full of shade of margosa tree with chirping birds)..is there any vacancy? :) job full of serenity there is no boss..no tension.
As usual, Human Tragedy in Sivakasi, TN. the main fire cracker maker city they have to labour to make such fire crackers to fulfil the desires of so many people who follow madly the false mythological stories in india. Indians dont know even they use the diwali crackers made by tamizhans the poor young girls and boys they are still uneducated. After cracking on the floor we see the leftover papers filled with our mother language tamizh. But indians dont give importance to such matters. They are concerned abt mythology. My question is “why do we celebrate festivals full of danger? Cant we have pollution-free festivals?..India should change it’s mind set up.
The Ilankai refugees kept in shelter homes in india should be allowed to live peacefully with dignity and protection…they are not cattle to be kept in a fenced area they are not convicts. ..they are also humans. The ilankai (srilanka) govt is responsible for snatching away their peace and prosperity by not giving them their own rights, they are responsible for spoiling the lives of thousands of tamizhans they have snatched the land and property and mainly responsible for spoiling their “education”. The tamizhans are known for tolerating everything… but it seems after seeing atrocities and selfishness of sinhalese they had to prepare for a struggle…too late..Soft characters cant do anything before tyranical cunning characters…Now in india Mrs.Sushma Swaraj is helping the sinhalese to spread their culture and she would make india a “buddhist country” in the future that proves she does not care about her artificially created selfish religion “hinduism”…i can very well understand the sad plight of ancient tamizhans… I hope she would play a great role in spreading non-violence (i hope) the main point of buddhism…No..no they cant maintain their policy of non-violence because they want powerful hinduism in india….is it “hinduism” or “hinsaism”?? Whatever because of aryans we see today so many religions in this world…but the fact is all preach about peace and oneness..and praise the glory of the Almighty who is still a mystery formless still but operates. Who is the defence minister of india? I heard the name of Mr.A.K.Antony…is it true? Conspirators would be conspirators always…they cant be changed…A crooked heart with “Power” can do anything..they are given liberty to do anything it seems to satisfy their passion for torturing the innocent people …Scandals..both Army and land..Mr.V.k.Singh can spill the beans… humans are not left….Poisonous minds dont believe the existance of Almighty even…Supreme Power wants only pure hearts..
Who is the advisor of the Defence Minister Mr.A.K.Antony?
u write, talk, debate, shout, scream…no use in india..here no action would be taken, pending court cases and those who are affected actually counting the stairs of high courts and supreme courts, they’ll spend their time doing that. When tamizhans protest there are so many to raise voice against them but they dont talk abut the genocide committed by the sinhalese, only tragic news of tamizhnadu are given importance they wont share happiness with tamizhans “exploitation”. So many tamizhans had sacrificed their lives to make this world understand their sad plight, no use.. some indians as usual narrow minded, exploitative natured the history and mythology have the records. Only because of Gods mercy or grace we sometimes are get noticed. How can God take care of millions of people, He had sent us all with HEART AND BRAIN, he may be sitting somewhere watching our deeds. UPS and DOWN…innocent people are facing because of both good and cunning hearts. They cant fight, purely destiny related they dont give importance to the 5 elements but had given forms to be worshipped to be exploited. Weak hearts. some are sinners, some are innocents, some are brainless they dont explore. I see only “madness”…even now i dont have clue why am i here on this earth. I want this journey to be stopped..no more birth of a human….utter foolishness..Swami Vivekanantha found a rock to seek peace..i hope kanyakumari shall send me an invitation to me also..she was chasing me with passion. Am curious abt her too.
katchatheeva kanniyam illaama kanivoda antha sinkala kayavargalukku thaarai vaathu kodukkum pothu tamizhan enna pannaan? karumaarikku koozhu kaachi oothikittu irunthaavala? illai kantharukku kaavadi eduthu aattam aadikittu irunthaavala?. merkondu
mathiyila aaluravanga tamizhnaattai yaarukku vikka poraavalaa? pothunda chaami…erumai maadu maathiri suranai kettu irunthaa kuruvi kooda kokkarichukittu thaan povum pola theriyuthu…ivugala thirutha mudiyaathu…praanan thaan povuthu.
thalaila idiye vizhunthaalum avuha ammanaiyum, appanaiyum marakkave maataaha..marakka yaaru chonna? vizhipunarchi vendama? ini mel enga poyi koozhu kaatcha?? irukkara nilathaiyum tsunami alli kittu pogum pola theriyuthu. :)
Dont write or talk about tsunami, by all means tamizhnadu should survive, the cradle of civilisation..the cradle of fools who always depend upon chivan, maariyata and murukan but what about destiny? the great ruler who makes a pauper the prince and the prince the pauper.
May the departed souls of thanuchakoti (dhanushkodi) rest in peace…the submerged town of tamizhnadu.
chinthu chamvelila koozhu kaatchunaavo, avuha nee kankai karaila poyi kaatchu..nnavo..ivuha anga pona..avuha arithuvarathala (haridwar) poyi kaatchunaavo, ivuha anga pona, avuha printhavanathula poyi kaatchunaavo, ellaam poyi ippa tamizhnaatukku vanthuttaavo…kaatchi oothunathaala ethaavathu kidachutha? Aaatha kai vuttuputaaallla…muthalla kundu chatilla koovi kittu irukkaama mathiyila poyi athaan thilliyila poyi kathhi nyayatha kekkonnum avuhala..appathaan namma tamizhan chuya maruvaathaiyoda irukka mudiyum…ethavaathu moozhaikkulla maatram vanthurukkutha?? illaiyaa?..thee mithichaa pothuma??? kekkara kelvila neruppu irukkonum…
Stop preparing porridge of raagi (finger millet)..ok..drink it and be Alert… Vaazhka Tamizhakam!
I’ll write abt the history of porridge of raagi and neem leaves of AMMAN. HEALTH.
The indian govt. has already shown its true colour by allowing srinlankans to get army training in tamizhnadu. CRUELTY shown by the so called india which follows hinduism. What is the meaning of hinduism after all? Torture the people of what? The indian army and navy (coastal guards) are getting orders from some crooked politician of india ofcourse colluding with heartless politician of srilanka (Ilankai the true tamizh name of the land) to torture tamizhans mentally and physically. We have been experiencing this cruelty for so many years passed still do not know how to solve the problem. The international human rights commission full of experts should with compassion and true justice solve the problems for which we would be grateful forever. We are waiting for a miracle to happen that would make all the tamizhans get relief and receive happiness.
The foolish tamizhans should stop supplying honey, butter, butter oil, sandalwood paste, coconut water, milk, panchaaamirtham (mixture of fruits,dry fruits, butter and sugar) etc etc for cleaning the chivalinkam and idols. Send liters of such nutritional things to the Ashrams (orphanage) and Dharmashaalas (homes for orphans and travellers for staying) so that the poor people and the supportless can get all the benefits truly they deserve.
It seems tamizhans have good stock of such things for pleasing rocks and stones.
what about scandal in ashrams and dharmashalas in india? Where to go?..go to the bank, put the money and save and sleep. If u can give alms to the poor people and be satisfied and get yourself blessed. Hell with scandals of india.
The so called swamis and sanyasis of india, my question for them, “why do they need gold plated chair for sitting? Cant they sit on plain hard rocks or simply on floor or on mat? How can they call themselves the saint? A true sage wont need ornamental, showy, fancy furnitures for preaching and teaching. A true saint would never long for money and comfort and popularity..It has become a fashion now..anyone can learn yoga and talent of giving speech and he or she can become a famous spiritual leader. Where do they get money from to start global institutions? What kind of robbery is this? Sinners should reform themselves if not going to suffer in next birth.
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The island of ‘Katchatheevu’ which belongs to Tamils and Tamilnadu, was ceded to Sri Lanka, in the year 1974, by the then Prime Minister Tmt. Indira Gandhi, overlooking all constitutional provisions. It was done in order to maintain good relationship with Sri Lanka. As a result of this hand over, the Tamil Indian Fishermen lost their rights. which they exercised over the island and the surrounding seas for over thousand years. This deprivation has resulted in our Fishermen being attacked by the Sri Lankan Navy. Estimates say that so far, 500 Indian Fishermen have been killed, 3000 fishermen were permanently disabled and thousand others were injured, besides hundreds of them have disappeared. many more have been illegally detained in Sri Lankan jails and have been harassed and tortured. All these are some brief accounts of atrocities committed by the Sri Lankan Navy on our innocent Indian Tamil Fishermen.
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The name “KATCHA THEEVU” is purely tamizh. The satanic sinhalese wont allow the tamizhans to live peacefully. Tamizhans had enough by letting them rule the country. Tamizhans the poor souls cheated by so many still facing problems in india.
“Vanthavarai vaazha vaithu vathanki, norunki, azhinthu kondu irukkum tamizh makkal”.
“it was done in order to maintain good relation with srilanka” Does that mean they do not want to maintain good relation with tamizhnadu? I dont know even now why the MPs from tamizhnadu who are in the UPA govt. do not resign their job? Are they really serving the people who elected them all? Shamless attitude!. Why dont they protest? ok..by the way, do we have in india any other new party which would treat the problems of tamizhans the “true problems” “matter of survival” and find out what is the basic root and how to tackle, how to maintain justice etc. etc. I do not actually see a third major party in india. only BJP and CONGRESS. Mother would be a mother if she treats all her kids impartially and show affection. The human body would be a human body if all the organs are given proper care and attention. Now, the central govt. is working as brain and if the brain orders to destroy any one of the body organs then the whole body would fall down. I think even today tamizhnadu is still a part of india. I have to check it now..am searching ATLAS. The whole world should understand the fact now we tamizhans are TRAPPED. India is a country of casteism, partial attitude, poverty, injustice, narrow minded religious thoughts to push some innocent people towards the corner full of darkness etc.etc. Where is humanity? Hell with artifically created mythological stories to hide the real facts full of science!
Cant ever selfish humans reform themselves by doing good deed? Most of them are money minded, land-minded, property-minded, saddist people. Instead of asking the question “who am i? now i should ask myself “why am i ? on this earth??.. the big question. Meaningless and Arrogant world. Selfish, crooked Indians most of them by showing their heartless attitude towards tamizhans have showed atlast they are “racist”. There is no need for them to blame foreigners from now on. They should feel the pain also, then only they would come to know what actually is the thing called “PAIN”.
In the artificially created mythological story Ramayan also we find hatredness shown against dhobhi community (washermen) it is written that one dhobhi was talking ill of sita (her virginity) wife of rama. Nonsense. It was a “deliberate malicious, selfish, cunning attempt to create aversion against the community since rama was in the story regarded as a great king full of good vitues. That was an attempt to incite the people aginst dhobis. Those who wrote such stories had gone to the hell and today people are well educated and brainy to identify such rumour mongers so there is no possibility of such twisted, moulded mythological stories to emerge again. That TIME and RULE of tyrannical nature is OVER. I hope they wont create one another ridiculous story involving “mangalyaan” the spaceship to Mars. Enough is enough!. The whole world would understand in what way the intellectual and brilliant people of ancient period had been suffering because of selfish and haughty people. The whole matter of “casteism” started from this very INDIA that made the western countries to create some words in dictionary to humiliate people with dark skin. Before “invasion” India was a fertile land with peace and progress and there was only nature worship. Trade relation with other countries was calm and friendly. There was no space for skin related topics.
During “ramayanam” the name itself clearly shows that it was a place (just like ariyaanam (hariyana), the region of murukan) where people worshipped “Sun God” (RA (sun) and MA ) and at that time there were only two languages the rich and deep rooted Tamizh and “quickly created” Sanskrit i should appreciate their efforts..after some time it seems the tamizhans had to shift their base from north to south because they could not live peacefully as the whole region was occuppied and tamizhans wanted to settle down here in south though some of them had stayed in north. I am sure there was a “satelite or rocket” launch scientific efforts by technical minded tamizhans because “puchpaka vimaanam” (pushpak vimana) the aircraft of iravanan (raavana) and Chitai (fire) tells me there was a missile launch project going on and Chitai Rekai (sita rekha) was the point from where the flying weapon was sent. But, this attempt was may be a failure (fell down in ilankai (srilanka) or who knows success. ..leave it …now as tamizhans had to move..there was successive invasion in sind region.. so in order to rule and dominate and suppress the talented people of tamizh land and also the new invaders the “ramayana” the story was written in sanskrit to fool the people and at the same time incite them also against tamizhan community. Tamizhan could not understand sanskrit so there was a long time gap and they were neglected and sanskrit stories dominated the whole north region and the non-sanskritist had to believe everything written..”complete brainwash”. Even now we see so many story tellers telling us about different characters and gods and the demons (asuraas). I think for another 500 years we wud be listening to such stories but brainy people always busy experimenting and exploring science even after facing hurdles before them. They should explore “Sun God” (chivan) :) i wish.
Both Iravanan (Ravan) and Anumaan (Hanuman) are to be explored. Both are sky related powerful weapons used for space travel. Sethu Bridge (chethu paalam) was an effort by hard working tamizhans to reach ilankai (srilanka) because tamizhans were experts in hyrological field. TRUTH.
I hope we tamizhans can watch camels on the streets here in the future. There would be supply of camel milk ..speciality of rajasthan and the tamizhans wud go to the desert becos the drunkards spent money on liquor and the women sold their jewelleries in pawn shops. In the desert there wont be liquor shops for them but they can search for bones of camels they can fill their stomach. If they are lucky they can find OASIS (paalaivana cholai). Idiots go for a liver check up.
It is written only for drunkards (TN govt. is making good profit) not for all healthy hearts.
drunkards are jokers
Assamese here in tamizhnadu are requested to stay as tamizhnadu is known for welcoming all the people from the whole world. The only thing is please keep this state full of peace and do not indulge in criminal activities, do not exploit tamizhans. The tamizh film industry had Assamese actress also some years back… her name is “Maanu” The actress has been awarded the Humanitarian Award by Kavithalaya, an NGO in Erode, Tamizhnadu recently. (detail on net)
The cheif Minister of Tamizhnadu Selvi Jayalalita should stop distributing free goods for winning votes. If she wants to serve then the free goods should reach the poor familes only. Will she stop this habit of giving free goods? It will encourage selfish and crooked politicians to loot tamizhnadu. Next time the people should select someone selfless to run the govt.. There are still tobacco selling shops here… she is not stopping them that would mean she does not care about the health of people. She should stop listening to the cunning ideas of heartless sinners who came here to make the tamizhans slaves.
Today they are not slaves i think because of “IT companies” they stand on their own legs. :)
By allowing chinese in Ilankai (sri lanka) the sinhalaas are going to cheat both tamizhans and indians. Tamizhans by giving political power to the sinhalese had enough… still living like slaves they are paying the price for being stupids and brainless so far and Indians are also going to suffer …because they have given lot of space to sinhalese. BETRAYAL. Chinese will show their power in the future. The indian govt. should get back the “katcha theevu” island from sinhalese to tamizhans it is their grandfather’s land. The history has records. The illegal entry of sinhalese from ancient orissa into Ilankai is going to be “head ache” for india.
Dont talk abt history the cunning land grabbers had already destroyed ancient facts..but Sun(Chivan) has limitless records to prove tht “katchatheevu” is tamizhans endless grand, grand, grand…father’s land.. :) where they used to catch fish..the question here is who advised or incited Mrs.Indra Gandhi to give tht land to sinhalese.
In this cruel world if someone ask the question “may i request you to give me an increment? or if you say “i am suffering” then he would be fired. World of exploitation. Some dont know how to spend money (unlimited) and some dont know how to survive (3 time meal). I hate.
Kudam kudamaai paalai nadikargalin posterin mel kottum tamizh ariviligale, iniyaavathu pasiyaal thavikkum anaathaigalu antha paal kudathai eduthu sentru punniyam theduveergala? Avargal ullam magizhnthu vaazhthu sollum pothu ungalukku mattum punniyam allaamal nadigarukkum kidaikume? Yosipatharkku mandaikkul mooLai vendum.
Do not ever waste liters of milk on the posters of tamizh actors and do not build temples for actresses, Who is God after all??? May i request the over-obsessed tamizh cinema fans to send those milk pockets to the orphanages and let them bless the actors and their fans. Be civilised… Presence of charity, happiness and blessing.
Please open the givenbelow link to know the list of orphanages in India and help orphans reach and live peacefully.
http://www.indianorphanages.net/orphanage/orphanages.html
For Tamizhnadu, India
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Helpline Nos.
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Police———————————100
Police SMS—————————9500099100
Police Corruption——————–9840983832
Women Helpline———————-1091
Children Helpline———————1098
Accident Case (Emergency)——-1099
Ambulance—————————-102,108
Senior Citizen Helpline————–1253
Fire and Rescue———————101
National Highway Helpline———-1033
Coastel Area Helpline—————1093
Blood Bank—————————-1910
Eye Hospital Helpline—————-1919
No need to try the coastal helpline some unknown cunning indians of the govt. wont help the tamizhan fishermen. Keep it in mind always. Game!!
Chivanaakiya chooriyan kaN munne irukka innum kallai vazhipattu kondu irukkum madaiyarkal. Arivu ennum theepam ulle irunthum athai payanpaduthaatha arivilikal. ivarkalai thirutha ini yaaraalum mudiyaathu. Suthanthiram ennum poo maalaiyay kaiyil koduthaal athai kurangai pol piythu podum muttaalkal. Adimaiyaay mattume vaazha piranthavarkal. Kadavul ennum aruvam udal ulle olinthu irukka athai ariyaamal
vaayilum, vayithilum alakai kuthhi kondu padaiyal padaikkum arivu illathaavarkal. Vithiyay nambaathavargal. kadavulai saanthapaduthukiren entru koori “miruga vathai” seyyum kodiyavargal. Engellaam thudi thudikka oru vilangu madikiratho, engellaam manitha uyir narapali kodukka padugiratho angellaam iyarkai pongi ezhunthu naasam seyyum. Ithu nitchayam. Ella uyirkalum aruvamaagiya kadavulaal padaikka pattavai. Ini nenjil irakkam illathorkku meendum meendum arivurai solli aaviyay pokka thevai illai. Thaan pirantha nilathaiyum, than urimayum parikkapatta pinbum adimai thozhil seyya mattum piranthorkku ini vidhi vitta vazhi.
Wherever innocent animals and humans are sacrificed to please Gods there would be destruction.Wherever selfish people do atrocities there would be calamity. Law of Nature.
Destiny is written for all. Nobody can snatch our destiny from us. Nobody can ever change it as well.
“Kodupathai yaaraalum thadukka mudiyaathu
Kidaithathai yaaraalum pidunkavum mudiyaathu.
Nadakka vendiyathuthaan nadakkum.
Vidhiyay yaaraalum vellavum mudiyaathu”.
Heart wpuld be Heart if there would be space for God to reside. Where God resides Love also resides. HEART itself is (TEMPLE), Holy Place.
“Shareer aane se pehle Takdeer”, this hindi line tells that before the body of human comes out, the destiny comes out. Pre-planned, Pre-focussed, Pre-determined. The air is invisible but we feel it just like that supernatural power is also invisible but when we realise that its not matter of particles, chemicals purely science but onlyl “spiritual”- Soul related… Because we are operated like puppets..tasks are given..the period thereafter duty is over. It shows its presence it stimulates the brain and tells that i exist. It has given us all organs connected with nerves, beautifully at the same time with utmost care each organ is given a duty to perform bones the skin the brain the uterus to create one another life finally heart it feels the pain we understand that everything is not a matter of laboratory test but carefully done job of someone somewhere watching, observing constantly and decide about our destiny. I am sure and believe “past life”..we had experiences and we stored them all and the brain does not force us but something else is the “driving force” that makes us to think deeply and connect because we had the same question before also and there was not answer..miraculous action done or performed by a divine supernatural power.Unbelievable..actually it does not want us to chase or follow it and worship … its not selfish..It wants us to explore and continue exploring. It does not demand anything but wants all hearts so pure. It is the master of all trades. The “OM” nipower. It is very simple and chaste but formless even now.
The word “Navigation” is derived from the Tamizh word “Navukattu”. The word “Navi” is from “Navu” which means in tamizh “drag” and “kattu” means “tie”. So, this small boat just like “kattumaram” was used to travel. The “art of navigation” was developed in the river Chinthu (indus) no records.. may be 6000 years ago. We still have a name “kaavati Chinthu”…a ancient folk dance form dedicated to Lord Murukan (cock) still this art is alive to remind us all our relation with the river Chinthu (Sind River) and the fertile civilisation.
The Romans used Tamizhan “Sesame Oil” in their food (even now this oil is famous in tamizhnadu) and indigo for colouring. Many kinds of precious and semi-precious stones such as diamonds, onyx, sarbonyx, agate, arnelian, harnet, anephysp, opal, turquoise, catseye and crystal were in great demand in Rome. Ivory used to reach Rome by the land and the sea routes. The Romans used to purchase pearls from the Gulf of Mannar. Roman gold poured into Tamizhnadu. Black pepper, ginger, cardamom, cinnamon were exported to Rome. Saffron produced in Kashmir was used in Rome for ointments, medicines and for perfuming the wines. All kinds of wood like teak, blak wood, ebony for medicinal and architectural purposes, they also exported coconut oil, peaches, apricots,plantains, lemon, rice and wheat…. I am sure, KATUMARAM (CATAMARAN) was the one which helped them a lot to promote the trade relation.
The Pirakateechwaran (brihadeeshwar) Temple in Thanjore (Tamizhnadu) which dates back to the 11th century BC, has many murals within. The ancient Chola murals once covered all the walls and ceilings of this enclosure. A striking feature about the temple is the fresco painting which can be seen in the ceilings of the corridors and also in the ceilings of the many sub-shrines. They are an invention of the Cholas and the painting, which are about 1000 years old are still brightly colourful. Mention must also be made of a mural that depicts grand cosmic dance of Nataraasan (natraj) at chitambaram city (Tamizhnadu).
I think “Science and Technology” in Tamizhnadu could not develop because of so many gods and mythological stories introduced later on in india. Strong and serious Blow! The tamizhan who named the planet MARS …CHEVAAI means the RED PLANET…Chevvaai..could not explore further sadly….Does that mean red mouthed planet in tamizh or what? Becos, “Vaai” in tamizh is mouth…. Do we have records still in tamizhnadu about the 9 planets? Mars is also called as “Kuja” its definitely in tamizh “Kuchalam” in tamizh just like Maari…it is water, so i think Mars is a planet with presence of water too, if there is water then the name would clear our doubts. The question is how the ancient tamizhan named it the “red planet”? Did they have equipments to observe the planets? Were they more advanced than all of us? Mystery!!
Atlast, the habit of idol worship and not understanding the hidden meaning full of science had destroyed the intellectual power of tamizhans.
Kanthanukku Aroara!
Murukanukku Aroara!
Velanukku Aroara!
Mayilanukku Aroara!….keep on chanting :) Idiots…build temples and die.
Who will be the “aran” (protector) of Science in tamizhnadu? :)
Purely cunning efforts by the so called cunning brains..they shall go to hell. God is grinding slowly but surely.
Countless mythological characters and “u just believe” artificial, adamant stories by tresspassing into the field of science related facts had forcibly evicted the intellectual, experimental nature of humans especially tamizhans and most of them are now suffering because of brain stroke. The nerves of brain are now filled with imaginery characters all created selfishly to make them all slaves forever still they are. The brain should be strong enough to find out the real facts…they had mixed poison into the pool of science. Disaster!.
Countless mythological characters and “u just believe” artificial, adamant stories by tresspassing into the field of science related facts had forcibly evicted the intellectual, experimental nature of humans especially tamizhans and most of them are now suffering because of brain stroke. The nerves of brain are now filled with imaginery characters all created selfishly to make them all slaves forever still they are. The brain should be strong enough to find out the real facts…they had mixed poison into the pool of science. Disaster!. I have to study the the aircraft puchpaka vimanam (pushpak vimaan), chithai (fire), chithai rekai (sita rekha) Anuman (hanuman) etc.etc. to understand the real facts of ancient period, seems to be scientific experiment done earlier. On the path of God (brightness, the progress) there would be always evil (darkness) to put an end.
“Nantha vanathil oru aandi
Avan naalaaru maathamaai
kuyavanai vendi
Kondu vanthaan oru thondi
Athai koothaadi koothaadi
Pottu udaithaandi”
The translation, there was once upon a time a monk who wanted a potter to make a beautiful clay pot… the potter with hardwork made that pot, after getting this pot the monk full of ecstacy danced like a mad person and broke the pot. (Efforts gone in vain)
I want to advise the tamizhans to be united and remove “casteism” from the society and learn to protect and love your land and respect each other. There is Supernatural Power exists somewhere but it can not help the people all the time because it has given us all the brain to understand and the heart to spread love. Dont be supersticious, faith is important but dont be fools. Respect science and the earth and be human and love animals.”Dont allow anyone to exploit you”..self-respect is important. Be educated. Sun is before us all to stimulate our sense organs :) be brainy…be talented.
Tamizhnadu had a great sea power. The Pallavas and Cholas were pioneers in naval fleets. The Roman traders constantly visited Tamizhnadu. The Sangam Literature talks of the great caravan traders, who used to travel frequently by road and sea routes.
The markets of Madurai were famous for selling flawless diamonds, emeralds, rubies, suffaires, crystal, silk, wollen cloth. This was the capital of Pandyas. It controlled the pearl fisheries of the Gulf of Mannar and was a leading exporting centre for pearls, jewels and fancy cloth. It attracted foreign merchants, particularly the Romans, for carrying on Overseas Trade.
The chinese used to come to Kancheepuram city of Tamizhnadu in ships to purchase pearls, glass and rare stones and in turn they sold gold and silk…. Today the matter is different they had killed so many tamizhans in Ilankai. May God help the wandering miserable dead souls reach their destination.
what will happen to tamil language if hindi is accepted as national language and people starting to learn hindi in tamilnadu?
Tamizhnadu politician wud ask the north indian grocery shop owner “dil de do” (give me your heart)…instead of “Til de do” (give me sesame seed). :) On hearing this grocery shop owner wud understand that he should call tamizhans.. indians..and they would start living peacefully together. Heart matters :)
Naapi Kamalam in tamizh is called in english as Pineal Gland from here the power of reasoning raises but in mythological stories something else is written as lord brahma is rising out of lord vishnu’s nabi kamalam. The Pineal Gland the kamalam ( lotus flower, the seat) is the activator and the stimulator that makes the person to open his third eye. So, the scientific matters are hidden in the mythological stories but a slight change makes the people to understand differently. We will study about the shape of uterus (picture on net) it looks like lotus with two buds on both sides later on, ie. the matter of umbilical cord (thoppul kodi in tamizh). The truth will come out. patience please. :)
The very mention of the term “pineal gland” creates a mysterious aura. Renowned French philosopher, physiologist, physicist, natural scientist and mathematician Rene Descartes (1596-1650) called it “the seat of the soul.” Others believe it is the Centrum that carries the “life code” and conveys orders to the body. Recent academic studies have found that the pineal gland contains light-sensitive cells which function like those of the eye’s retina, testifying to the fact that the pineal gland can “see.” Thus, it is also known as the “third eye.” Modern research on melatonin production by the pineal gland has unraveled its mysteries to some extent.
So, Kanwaljit would mean Kamalachithai, the flame from pineal gland (the lotus, the seat) that makes prophesies…Pineal Gland is in the Kapaalam (the skull) so, we have Kapaalaeesan (Kapaleesh) or Naapi Eesan (nabieesa). He is none other but Chivan, the Sun, Paraulakam (parlok) the Solar System. Pineal Gland and Magnetism, the internet is with me to study further. :)
http://www.conesandstones.com/historical-symbolism.html
Just open the above interesting and mesmerizing link to know the relationship of pineal gland with lotus and pine cones…kamalam in tamizh is lotus flower. Well, the names of shape of pineal gland are different but both lotus and pine look similar… NAAPI KAMALAM is truly the seat of CHIVAN. Further exploration of skull (kapaalam) wud give us details abt how prophesies are made becos there is direct connection between sun and pineal gland i am sure….The whole earth with solar system is presently experiencing magical vibration.
Tamizh is the root of Banyan Tree. Its very difficult to make this tree vanish away from this world. If you cut the trunk of this tree you will see the rings countless to tell about its age. But, its difficult to cut down this tree so to know the age is also difficult. Tamizh is PARATHEE, (Holy Fire) PARAMPORUL, (the First Thing) PARAMA AATHMAN, (the Soul) PARAMA CHOTHEE,(the light) PARA PIRAMAM,(illusion) PARAKULAM, (both living and non-living) PARAAYAN (the Almighty..Ayan is Sun) etc.etc. If all are the names of the everlasting SUN then Tamizh is also SUN. Those who humiliate this PARAM shall make it raise in their next birth. Forefathers shall make it possible. Tamizh is Phonix bird. Tamizh is OCEAN. Tamizh is Rain. There is no end for this TUNNEL.
Umpara means Uma and Para…water and Fire. Paramjit means Paramachithai..the Holy Flame…CHATHYAM..CHIVAM…CHUNTHARAM.
what will happen to tamil language if hindi is accepted as national language and people starting to learn hindi in tamilnadu?
I want to write the verses written by Great Tamizh Poet Subramaniya Bharathiyaar.
“Kankai nadhi purathu kothumai pandam
kaaveri vetrilaikku maaru kolvom
singa maraatiyar tham kavithai kondu
cherathu thanthangal parisalippom”.
Let us share the wheat grain from the gangai basin for betal leaves of kaaveri basin
Let us share the poems of maraataas and gift them tusks of cherans (keralite)
The above four Tamizh verses tell us that we, the people of india should be friendly with each other by sharing and gifting goods we have in different regions to prove the unity.
Nanha munna raahi hu
Desh ka sipaahi hu
Bholo mere sang
Jai Hind…Vaalka Industhaan.
Again i am reminding the indians,,tamizhans are also working in indian army. :) Do not forget this.
But, i do not advise anyone to gift tusk that would mean they are torturing the huge but calm and composed animal elephant being worshipped in india, (in what way the animal is suffering while they are cutting its tusk i dont know :) i need experience..humans are always full of greediness :) they dont leave flying things whatever …plunging into the water not for coral and pearls but also for the flesh of speechless sea animals and mammals of ocean they will extract oil and perfume too :) and chasing the land animals for their welfare :) skin and protein as well.
Elephant God ..the hidden meaning is something else would research further..kapaalam (skull), the manthiram “OM” and black hole theory altogether. Ok, just grab the good moral not the tusk of elephant.
Its not Bholo…its “bolo”…wrongly written…study well and dont forget :)
No comments. I am shocked. India is a country full of criminals, so many are affected and just because of media we come to know the atrocities if there is no media then who will send us the daily reports of crimes committed. There are so many criminal activities going on unexposed. Education is important for all especially girls and women should be educated and they should be courageous enough to inform the people of india in what way they are tortured mentally as well as physically. There is no use worshipping women goddeses when women are insecured in this country. God cant save anyone but a human with good conscience can help the suffering ones.
War Crimes would mean girls and women are left alone and abandoned so “be HUMAN”. Now, Syria is one of the examples. Girls and Women are always weak physically.
When will we have an impartial govt. in india? There are so many tamizhan fishermen suffering in Ilankai’s (srilanka) jail even now. They are kept there for so many months on false charges. Who will take care of their families. I dont know really the name of the ministers who are behind such heinous conspiracies against tamizhans. May the Almighty take note of this point and do the needful. Invasion indeed spoiled the lives of tamizhans and i want to inform the people who want to form a new party….
“Aazham theriyaamal kaalai vidaathe”.
Be careful where you tread.
Agar Insaan shaitaan ka roop leta hai to log police ke paas, phir SI ke pass, phir Inspector ke paas phir Assistant Commissioner, aise karte karte Superintendant aise karte karte phir jab nyaay nahi mila to MINISTER ke paas jaayenge…agar minister bhi DHOKEBAAZ nikhla to kiske paas jaayenge? Sirf filmon mein hi hero larkiyon ki madat karta hai…asli zindagi mein kaun karega?
Agar insaan shaitaan bana to ..dial the no. 100 :) immediate action.
http://www.azadindia.org/social-issues/WomenTrafficking-in-India.html
According to a recent survey women are bought and sold with impunity and trafficked at will to other countries from different parts of India. These girls and women are sourced from Dindigal, Madurai, Tiruchirapalli, and Chengalpattu in TamilNadu, Gaya, Kishanganj, Patna, Katihar, Purnea, Araria and Madhubani from Bihar, Murshidabad and 24 Parganas in West Bengal, Maharajgunj from UP, Dholpur, Alwar, Tonk from Rajasthan, Mangalore, and Gulbarga and Raichur from Karnataka. These women and girls are supplied to Thailand, Kenya, South Africa and Middle East countries like Bahrin, Dubai, Oman, Britain, South Korea and Philippines. They are forced to work as sex workers undergoing severe exploitation and abuse. These women are the most vulnerable group in contracting HIV infection. Due to unrelenting poverty and lack of unemployment opportunities there is an increase in the voluntary entry of women into sex work.
Natural calamities and manmade disturbances do exacerbate the vulnerability situation.Therefore relief and aftercare programmes need to have specific components focused on the rights of women and children.
Trafficked “Not at will” but “forcibly” because they are poverty stricken. The Govt. should intervene.
There are so many heartless politicians in india i can describe…in tamizh ..”Pasu thol porthiya puli”..the tiger hidden in cow’s skin…”Baahar Bhagwaan Andar Shaitaan”…. God outside Satan Inside….Animal tiger is not so harmful but heartless human is. My advise for girls and women…keep distance…There should be “will power”.There are so many cases pending in police stations of india “unexplored”, “closed forever”,etc.. Money power rules!!!
“Panam entraal Pinamum vaayai Thirakkum”. (tamizh proverb)
Say money, even the corpse would open its mouth.
Ecstasy at its full form… Congrats!!…Mari in tamizh means Mazhai, the rain, the water..so the planet “Mars” is named after auspicious matters and in tamizh we say for Mars, CHEVAAI, means the RED PLANET. Just like “Chivan” the sun is red or saffron coloured, the planet Mars is also red coloured. Red sand means fertility if it is then Mars should be a hopeful planet. Whoever gave the planet the name Mars, if we find water (maari) there then it would mean life is possible. Did they send earthworms to research or not? Earthworms would make further the soil fertile for plants to grow…humans can be sent later on. They wont make the mars the “extinct one” but by their sinful deeds they would make it exist…circle of life would continue :)
Isaac Newton said,
“To me there has never been a higher source of earthly honour or distinction than that connected with advances in science”.
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As i have made myself slave to science and my body is full of magnet Newton is attracting me a lot these days. :) Gravitational powers. :)
Lord Murukan is also called as Kanthan..kaantham in tamizh is magnet, so, the name Kanthan would mean that it is a planet (SUN) full of magnetic power.
Tamizh Siddhars never preached casteism and partiality. They had infact given so many names and shapes to the Almighty (sun and other planets ) because of their artistic imagination but only said that God is one …paramapithan oruvane…all is going towards chivan (sun) only. Kolam, the art form of tamizhnadu clearly tells that it has connection with “Paramandalam” the the sky, the galaxie, the dots of “kolam” and the way of connecting them all and the nature related things like lotus, animals, different mathematical shapes etc. while putting kolam is still alive for us to research further. There is no need for anyone to have doubts about siddhars. How can a person build a temple without knowing the mathematical calculations, measurements etc. etc.?? Each idol should be watched closely to know the hard work. They can be called as the over-obsessed lovers of art and indeed hard work but ended up as foolish people :) Time and destiny make all to create rumours but truth is truth forever.
Over-obsessed people had gone for searching 3 time meal and there Subhash Kapoor enters the dragon who would fly away with idols :) the brilliant one :) No problem..still there are unlimited sculptors whose job is cutting, carving, shaping, polishing and the final touch wud be perfect. I think no one knows the value of hardwork but only subhash :) The history shall remember him forever.
To me, Lord Krishna was an imaginary character for the writer who could foretell a lot, he only created the character krishna to guide the humanity. Krishna is called as “KANNAIYYA” the real meaning in tamizh “the master called Eye”. Here, the eyes are powerful than even sun…it can see or capture anything or everything so fastly.. The person who wrote pakavatha kiritham (bhagwat gita) had studied all the actions of the people both good and bad and he could with his powerful intellect mind understand the destiny of both humans and the earth’s..both good and bad times (calamity, piralayam)… One should applaud the person who wrote prophesies but today we do not know the details about that person…history was deliberately changed by hiding the real facts.
Just like Lord Murukan the one who is protecting the humans hidden meaning SUN… Lord Krishna the character is also representing SUN. Just like kuravan (the cock) and kurathi (the hen) the kupaas (gopas) (the cock) the kuppi (gopis) (the hen), HE.. ie the sun is the protector of all living things on earth…Just like Sun is the guide and master for all the humans (hunters included) and animals the artificially created Lord Kritinan(krishna) was also worshipped. Because the names of Lord Krishna are telling me that he is SUN..names like Kechavan (keshav), Kuvinthan (govind), Kupaalan (gopal) etc.etc…
The fort of Lord Krishna we see deep in the ocean is merely the place constructed to celebrate him just like we have temples for Lord Murukan in Tamiznadu infact all over India (Saravana Poikai in north india)
If it is the case, then the “TRUTH” is also sleeping alongwith the pillars of the fort of krishna. I think we are exploring the pillars not the truth. Over attachment towards artificial gods makes the person blind. He wont see progress. :) only conflicts. Year 2020 is to be noticed..the earth is full of 70% of sinners.
What happened to Vyaacha Munivar the writer of Pakavatha Kiritham? (pakalavan in tamizh is SUN) This book tells us abt the relationship between paramaaathma (Omnipotent) and cheeva (jeeva) aathma (soul). The efforts and advise of vyachan could not stop the two pandavaas and kauravaas from fighting. They say even now the sand of kuruchathiram (kurushetra) is blood smeared. One can write a lot but.. can anyone control the brain (moolai, the energy source)?The brain is made up of over 100 billion nerve cells with each brain cell connected to around 10,000 other cells, which equals around 1000 trillion connections in your brain. The biggest part of the brain is the cerebrum which makes up 85% of the brain’s weight. The cerebrum is the thinking part of the brain. It is here that things like perception, imagination, thought, judgment, and decision occur. Sun, Chivan is also called as Kapaalaeechwaran in tamizh. Kapalaam means the skull. I will study bhagwat gita to know the subject of science which is hidden somewhere.
yaar aatchikku vanthaalum madivathu enbathu ennavo tamizhan thaan. Pizhaikka kadalukkul sentraalum angeyum kaapaatra yaarum illai. Aaanaalum avan “indian”. :)
Adakkumurai, Aaanavam, Athikkaaram enbatharkku oru alavu vendaama? Iyarakaye kopam kondu ezhunthu paavigalai azhikka vendum illai thavikkum manithargalukku intha manN ulagil irunthu viduthalai kidaikka vendum. Ellaame “tamizh” ennum oru punithavathi innum uyirodu iruppathaal thaan.
Whatever whoever comes to rule India the one who is going to be affected as usual is tamizhan called as Indian because his mother tongue is tamizh.
Once upon a time, tamizhan had gone to all the places of this world to promote trade, only because of invasion he had forgotten his past glory. May the Almighty take note of this point….Remove Casteism from the society.
Evan oruvan than thaai mannai mathikkavillaiyo, than thaai mozhiyay mathikka villaiyo avan adimaiyaay vaazhave piranthavan. Avanukku mannin meethum, mozhiyin meethum patru illai enbathu thelivu.
One who does not have respect for his sand and language becomes the victim of slavery.
Vaalka Tamizh!!!, Vaalka Tamizh MaN!!! Ozhika Ariyaamai Iiruttu!!! Anbe Chivam!!! Otrumaiyil Perumai!!! Arivu Ennum Chudar Neenkaamal Eriyattum!!! Tamizh Thaaikku VANAKKAM!!!
This moral behavior for the culmination of mind and soul, so as to ensure better living for everyone in the society is termed as Religion. That would be the way all religions would have been created or evolved. All are various paths to the single source.
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My question is ..Why do we need religion? What for?… “various Paths” does that mean no friendship??? Here, one should stop for a moment and think deeply…no i am not getting answer..no solution..because i find that glorious single source before me with aura.he is connecting…once again ..Why do we need religion?
Oruvan vendum entre purinthum, therinthum, arinthum palaridamum unmayay maraithu thavaru seythu avargal ariyaamaiyay payanpaduthi emaatrukiraan entraal…oru naal thaan seytha paavankalai ninathu manam varunthuvathu nitchayam..athu avan avanukke kodukkum thandanai aagum.
One who has committed sin knowingly would die thinking about his unpardonable sins. There is no need for anyone to give him punishment.
Athi migu pathiyaal (bhakti) sakthiyay izhanthavan tamizhan. Avaravar vidhi padi thaan vaazhkai amaiyume thavira koyil undiyalil kaasai kottuvathaal alla…. Punniyam seyvatharkku… illaathor, anaathaikal, kurudu, sevidu, mudamaai palar irukka innum kadavulai charanadainthu kidappathu yen? Kaasaiyum, ponnaiyum, porulaiyum kottinaal thaan kadavul varam tharuma? Tamizhan kannai thirappathu eppozhuthu? Punniyam seyya katru kolveeraaga. Marupiraviyil palan kittum.
Open your eyes and serve the needy people.. Next birth shall be good. God does not want money from humans.
Forest Department : Unfortunately we dont have such plants in india.
Police Department : Register the case.
Poor People of India : Form a new party .. we are starving.
Killer Plants are atrracting me a lot not tamizh today :) Anna Hazare Team with question..Do we have such plants in india? where is that revengeful plant? :) We want Corruptless India…we are helpless. Save the poor and innocent people of India…Ministers are Minting Money. Show us the credit/debit records. No more Chorus songs.. Do haathon se hi thaaliyaan bajti hai. One hand cant clap two hands together. India is mother and all the states are her children…Tamizhan fishermen are reminding this fact. :)
Chivam ( the illusion ) merely plans; it is Chakathee (Shakti) that executes but the female form that is water the left side (female) of human body herewhere the heart is..remember the right side of body does not have heart (the male side). Mother is the creator of humans but she depends upon the Father the creator of 5 elements.. the supreme one…but MOTHER is always SPECIAL…She is indeed calm, peaceful and divine but sometimes heartless too…Prapancha kgyaanam vendum…need of knowledge abt cosmos.
God’s Grace comes in the form of Sun’s Aura. I am emotional. There is a spiritual world full of Saints of this whole world who left behind them divine messages for all. I hope i can immerse myself in them.
“SUBKA MAALIK EK HAI”….”PARAMPORUL ORUVANE”. “GOD IS ONE AND ALL”.
Both SUN and BANYAN (Aala Maram in tamizh) tree are protecting the people. So, Aala means one who is protecting…Thirumaal..Tamizh is Ocean..i am with only one drop of water….INSHAH ALLAH….or ALLELUIA Whether he is Ayyan or Appan (Ayyappan, the father) i find everywhere his rule…the whole earth.
North Indians call Tamizhans as Desh Drogi(Traitor) beacuse Tamizhans hate Hindi.why should Tamizhans like me has to hear this words from a fellow indian even though i am also a True Indian?
Muslims speak urdu, Punjabis speak punjabi, Germans speak german, Marwaadis speak marwadi, Parsis speak parsi, keralites speak malayalam, telugus speak telugu, still there are so many African native languages alive… Why Tamizhans are facing or made to or forced to …leave it..sinners would be sinners always. MOTHER TAMIZH is HOLY. One who is full of hatred for tamizh would born again to speak tamizh. Almighty shall make him born once more. :) Tamizh is my Appan (chivan, fire) my Ammai ( Maariyaatha, water)
Ammai Appane unkal anbai maraven. Maranthaal naan madiven.
I never heard that before..but i know there are so many non-tamizhans in tamizhnadu drinking the water here actually saying against tamizhans and their language tamizh to capture the land. They should change their mind and thoughts. Who is traitor here? A good hearted person would capture the good things only. Humans cant be satisfied they are generally thankless and heartless.
What can you do? A question for tamizhan..I can build temples and carve idols
What can you do? A question for Subhash Kapoor…I smuggle ancient idols :) and mint money :) I will be released soon and i will start again smuggling :)
There should be ban on VULGARITY in tamizh films. What the hell censor board is doing?
There should be ban on internet vulgarity the main reason for changing the normal person the abnormal one.
There should be ban on tobacco based GUTKA, CIGGARETTE, PAN MASALA etc.
There should be ban on Alcohol.
There should be ban on CHILD LABOUR.
Psycologically all the people are affectecd. Health is Wealth. Crimes are increasing and there are so many criminal cases pending in tamizhnadu Police Department so, invite all the good hearted people from all the states but not the “criminals”. Too much burden for police officials. I hope the tamizhnadu people understand what i write.
Only two plants in the world have the ability to produce Ozone viz. Banyan tree and Basil. The Ozone produced by the Banyan tree, though it is in a very slight amount, improves health and refreshes the mind. Thatโs why people say that one should circle the Banyan tree when one visits a temple. So, keep growing basil and banyan tree…do not cut trees and be healthy. WARNING : GLOBAL WARMING WOULD LEAD US TO DISASTER.
first, you should not watch duet songs and then write about vulgarity.when your favorite hero and heroines hug each other, you will watch interestingly.
There is a difference between vulgar scenes and romantic scenes, 1930s indian films were very much concerned about the distance between the hero and the heroine, infact women used to change their attire like men. Lord Kritinan (krishna) the role was also played by a woman. But gradually time and the mind setup had changed..today we should not compare the romantic hero with a man indulging in vulgar scenes. A family,father, mohter, girls, boys should sit together to watch a movie without embarassment. If it is not the case, then we can say “something is wrong” in the film. A tender brain is like forest fire.. very difficult to control… If there is ban for pure culture n displine n old tradition based topics then there we find the “evil” takes its own space and it is the reason why guys and girls of modern days are affected psycologically it is the truth. One day there would be meeting by all the parents to decide abt the fate of their children. They would be called as the “worried parents” :) of flambuoyant n spoiled kids.
Ainthil vaLayaathathu Aimpathil vaLaiyuma?
5 year old kid if he is uncontrolable then no one can control him when he is 50 years old…this is what the above tamizh verse tells us all. No one can bend him he becomes like a bamboo tree :)
One who is supporting vulgarity is digging his own graveyard :) It is like modern medicine full of chemicals…slow poison :) Nature Cure is the Best. Stomach is the graveyard where all the dead animals are burnt :) Vulgarity is also the graveyard where the true discipline of a person is burning but slowly..will be showing the results…have to wait. Uyir saktheeyay izhappaan.
“karchilaiyum chithiramum kandu
athan kattaazhagilae mayakkam kondu
veeN karpanaiellam manathil
aruptham endre magzhinthu
virpanai seiyaatheer mathiyae”
Do not watch those sense stimulating idols and dont imagine tht they are miracles to spoil your brain. The above song from old tamizh film “Parasakthee” explains.
In fact, we make the living thing like Plants also “dead” they have soul in their body too. You see creeping, climbing plants too. Some are even catching flies and insects. Some plants are killing animals too they squeeze or crush their body n swallow them. you can find such killer plants in African Jungles. There are “Touch Me Not” (Thottaachinunki in tamizh) plants too.
Telugu people are everywhere in every department in TamilNadu.I think one day they will dominate us(Tamils) like they did 400 to 500 years ago.Tamil parties should take steps to avoid this.First Job Preferences should be given to Tamils after then to other Language people.
We actually do not know “who is who” and “what is his intension”..i have the experience. Mind is powerful like a horse if we control it then we are the master.
“ANTA CHARCHARAMUM UMAYAALIN AATCHI”
I thank Selvi Uma Bharti for atlast showing interest in cleaning the river Kankai (Ganga). K “UMA” means “water mother”. She has in her name both water and fire… PARATHEE (Bharti)..Para is one who is everwhere the Almighty Force..”Thee” means fire. I also thank her for understanding the problems of Tamizh fishermen who face the atrocities committed by the srilankans ..one day their problems would come to an end i suppose. Kacchatheevu the place where they had been catching fish for so many thousands of years. Truth is Truth forever. Mind tells… be like a lotus leaf..detach yourself from the sorrow of this materialistic world but tears tells me just pour the emotions. My heart is crying for the people of Assam the most affected who would give them back their peace and property? Such type of incidents telling me to search God. Sharing the problems and helping each other would make India a place full of peace and prosperity.
I thank Selvi Uma Bharti for atlast showing interest in cleaning the river Kankai (Ganga). K “UMA” means “water mother”. She has in her name both water and fire… PARATHEE (Bharti)..Para is one who is everwhere the Almighty Force..”Thee” means fire. I also thank her for understanding the problems of Tamizh fishermen who face the atrocities committed by the srilankans ..one day their problems would come to an end i suppose. Kacchatheevu the place where they had been catching fish for so many thousands of years. Truth is Truth forever. Mind tells… be like a lotus leaf..detach yourself from the sorrow of this materialistic world but tears tells me just pour the emotions. My heart is crying for the people of Assam the most affected who would give them back their peace and property? Such type of incidents telling me to search God. Sharing the problems and helping each other would make indians come together to create a new India full of peace.
All the rivers are holy but kankai is IMMORTAL…endless river. Stop throwing corpse on this holy river.
Good Deeds and Bad deeds of humans make the circle of life. Learn and Leave. One has to suffer because of someone’s sin and the sinner would have to born again and the one who suffered wud also born again. Endless journey. Dont ask questions ever. Try to do good deed and go to the celestial world.
The illegal immigration of sinhalese made the genuine tamizhans suffer. No Indian politician would talk abt this. All are God fearing. Heart is the place where satan never try to enter in. Because Heart is Holy.
Tamizhans are only fit to build temples for Chivan and Amman. They will spend their whole time in temples they do not how to protect their country i mean their own land. An Arabian knows, a japanese knows, a chinese knows, a rajasthani knows, a mizoramese, a manipuri, a keralite knows how to protect their place but here TAMIZHAN is a FAILURE. Let him build further more temples both for real gods and artificial gods ( the tamizh actresses). He is responsible for his problems. Idiots.
“Vanthavarai vaazha vaippom kovil katti ammanukkum, chivanukkum vazhi paduvom. Varum kaalathil irukka idam illaamal naaruvom”.
Continue building temples and loose self-respect. Faith is must but what about awareness (vizhipunarchi)
Will ever tamizhans spend their “unlimited money” for orphans, refugees, old age homes and for those who are in need of money for treating dreadful disease like cancer (tobacco leads to cancer, 1 crore 70 lakhs people are affected every year because of this harmful thing..stop smoking, stop chewing tobacco) If a diabetes smoke then he will have heart related illness and those who are normal if they smoke they will have cancer, paralytic attack etc. Smoking means self-suicide. I request tamizhans to send money to those homes where mentally challenged kids are kept. A heart full of sympathy would spend money for needy people. God is rich..he does not want money and jewels from anyone. Stop exploiting people in the name of Gods. (SUN is angry)
One has to knock the cells to know the truth…i will try. Visiting temples does not mean devotional. The heart should be pure. Human Body is temple and Soul is light and Heart is Love. Go deep into the matter and “will power” is the must thing. Previous birth i believe. The genes of our body show the presence of our forefathers… Some are weak but some are strong. Catch hold of that strong one and ask questions.
The illeagal immigration is the reason for the tragedy of Assam today, if it is… will ever Indian politicians talk about the same thing for Ilankai tamizhans also?, tamizhans the genuine land owners..the intention of settling somewhere is different but those who came to settle there in Ilankai are murdering the tamizhans. Who will take care of them? I have seen only heartless people so far. Where can i find hearts? I search God even now.
“Avvaiyaar” the great Tamizh Poet once said about Thirukural (one and half-lines) written by Sage Thiruvalluvar.
“Anuvai Thulaithu Ezhukatalai Pukatti Kurukatharitha Kural” which means the depth of the kural is like an atom, which can contain seven seas. The above verse by Avvaiyaar points the knowledge of “breaking of an atom” was common to Tamizhans even in the 1st century. The verse was a tribute to the great sage.
idiots! this site is for oldest language.who asked you to write this nonsense!speak about the languages you beggars.keep your Sanskrit with yourself mental.
Piraman (the illusion, the SUN, Chivan) is OMNISCIENCE..Uchhanam (the heat ushnam, vishnu) is the OMNIPRESENCE and Chivan (shiva) ofcourse is the OMNIPOTENT (the destroyer, the powerful one). SUN is playing three roles.
Mathiyaanam in tamizh means the mid day.
“OM” does not relate to any religion of this world. It is purely nature and health related. The human body is full of cells countless and when the cell in the right side of the head near the forehead breaks into two the person would be able to see or observe all, the incidents, ocurrence of natural disaster, movements of planets etc. without travelling anywhere ..it would mean that he had reached the stage of sainthood. By closing his eyes he can tell everything clearly. The person who attain this stage would be selfless, kind hearted, simple and would treat all the people equally and his eyes would be like crescent not fully opened. Our world has experienced such holy people before and still there are many living they are visible and invisible as well.
“OM” itself is telling the shape of the earth that it is round still there are hidden secrets to be explored, the snake …is it representing the Kundalini Yokam, the powerful one.
EUREKA!!!! :) the “OM” itself is telling us tht our earth is globe shaped, egg shaped (ANT”OM”)
“PARAULAKAM NANTRAI IRUNTHAAL THAAN PAATHAALA ULAKAM NANTRAI IRUKKUM”
Paralokam is the “brain” and the paathaal lokam is the “stomach”. If the brain functions in a proper manner.. the underworld the stomach would also function properly. Similarly, if the paralokam that is the SUN, the space if it is ok then the CORE would also be ok. The order reaches brain to do the action, just like that the sun is also getting the order to keep an eye on the earth’s core. If paralokam (upper world) loses peace the paathaalokam (under world) would be in worst condition too.
Its time now for me to take a break ..am gonna watch LONDON OLYMPICS. :) Cowboyish style of news reporters i like it :) Who is gonna be the horseboyish? i mean the athlet :) is there Carl Lewis or even Jesse Owen? What abt Naratilova? I hope India wins!!! ..away from the fire of Assam tragic tales continue…take a break.
mysterious woman in in indian contingent is representing both Chivan (red) and Neeli Amman (blue). :) fire and water.
Neelaampari this name means the blue sky also. So, Neelam represents the colour of bothocean and sky.
If you remove the strong tones of sanskrit you get the original tamizh words and the original meaning and when the correct pronounciation dies the effect would also die. It is not fair to change the genuine meaning of a language created with divine power. For example, “Gayatri Mantra”. The name “Gayatri” itself had been changed, the original name should be “KAYATHIRI”. ..”Kayam” in tamizh means the body and “thiri” in tamizh means the piece of thread inside a lamp (with oil) or a candle which burns to give out light. The original meaning of “kayathiri” is the body which is still alive with light (soul)..still surviving because of the presence of 5 elements and this manthiram was dedicated to the sun god, “Apollo” who is the source of all light and energy…here “Appa” (father) is Sun and “Allah” is the protector. Here, follows the manthiram (willpower of mind)
“OM puram (earth) puvam (ether, the chemical present in air) chavam (dead body)
Om tattuvam chavitthiri varaneyam
Paraka Thevachayam (the shadow of God) Theemaki (fire of Goddess)
Thee yonam pirachotham OM”
According to Tamizh Sithhars
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MaN(solid), Neer (fluid), Thee (radiance), Vayu (gas) and Aakasam (ether in sky atmosphere). These five elements Pootham (Bhutas) are present in every substance, but in different proportions. Earth, water , fire , air and ether are manifestations of these 5 elements
From net about “EETHER”
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Physics theories of the late 19th century assumed that just as surface water waves must have an intervening substance, i.e. a “medium”, to move across (in this case water), and audible sound requires a medium to transmit its wave motions (such as air or water), so light must also require a medium, the “luminiferous aether”, to transmit its wave motions. Because light can travel through a vacuum, it was assumed that even a vacuum must be filled with aether. Since the speed of light is so great, and as material bodies pass through the aether without obvious friction or drag, the aether was assumed to have a highly unusual combination of properties. Designing experiments to test the properties of the aether was a high priority of 19th century physics.[A 3]:411ff
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Finally,
“May we medidate on that adorable, resplendent being who has given birth to the entire universe, may He direct our intelligence towards light”.
KAYATHIRI is the mother of all vetham (veda). Vetham, Kayathiri, Pranavam and finally chamathee (samadhi, the tomb, graveyard).
Vatham, the movement of the body (wrongly spelt as veda) depends upon or loses itself in Kayathiri (the body), kayathiri loses itself in Pitham (pranavam) the fire, Pitham loses itself in chamaathee (samadhi) means death, the final destination… away from this materialistic world…peaceful atlast.
Vatham is formed by Akasa and Vayu. Vatham controls the nervous actions such as movement, sensation ,etc. Pitham is formed by Thee and controls the metabolic activity of the body, digestion, assimilation, warmth, etc. Kapam is formed by Munn and Neer and controls stability. When their equilibrium is upsets disease sets in.
Vatham, Pitham and Kapam the 3 essential matters are to be taken care of.
The tamizh letter “OM” is connected with the SKULL (Kapaalam) of humans too. By closing eyes and listening or chanting “OM” ..it would calm down the nerves of head. The vipoothi the sacred ash which the chivan devotees apply on their body especially on forehead also represents the colour of the brain the “Ash” colour.
Kayathiri (gayatri) and Chavithiri (savithri) both mean the “human body”… Kayam as well as Chavi…In hindi “chavi chod ke jaana” would mean that “I am leaving this body without soul”. Though in hindi chavi means reflection but the real tamizh meaning is “chavam” (dead body). Dead body is actually the shadow but without soul. So, the above manthiram would mean that i am offering this dead body into the fire. “Thee Yonam Pirachotham”. (dhiyo yonah prachadaya).
I like this comment on net very much.
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Thus it won’t be totally wrong if we say that human evolution and the growth of human civilization was assisted by extra-terrestrial aliens.It is possible that human evolution and the growth of human civilization was supervised by the extra-terrestrial aliens? This could explain the alien presence on Earth in the past and in the present. We know that all the material that resulted in the creation of Earth and our sun is not original. The Sun and the Earth were created out of the material that were part of a past generation of stars and planets, after these stars and planets were destroyed in the remote past upon the expiry of their life. It is also possible thus, that life on Earth is secondary. Life on Earth, including us can be a creation of aliens, who lived long before us and thus were the original life forms of the universe.
If aliens are so powerful why they are not attacking or destroying Earth? If they wished they could easily destroy Earth even if we resist with all our latest technologies. The reason is partially because it was they who created us and they don’t want to destroy us. Partially because they are more evolved than us and believe in a higher religion and philosophy, which considers violence as very primitive. They may be exploiting us in a subtle level which we cannot understand, much like the animals reared by humans won’t understand any kind of exploitation done upon them by humans. Nevertheless, just like we are engaged in a mutually dependent relationship with plants and animals, so are the aliens engaged with us in a mutually dependent relationship. Just like in our relationship with plants and animals we have an upper hand, so do the aliens have an upper hand in their relationship with us.
I should believe because of some indications happend with me, the beautiful milky white woman’s or girl’s child’s ?? face in my dream just like a painted portrait and colourful vibrations near my left eye. Aliens will they ever contact us or not? To solve the unlimited problems in india :)
I am trying hard to become a vegetarian after reading the above comment. Animals cant speak ..how painful.. they cant express. Humans are inhumane so we face earthquake, thunder, tsunami, cyclone etc.etc. I should think abt it deeply. We are heartless. Only when we show love we receive love i suppose..am sure.
Casteism and Corrpution the “Curse”. I can see that very clearly but my research must continue.
“Poochayathil Rachayam” (poojiyathil raajiyam) this very very old (ancient) tamizh verse is giving us the meaning “the rule inside this zero”, but to me, it tells the truth and secret that the ancient tamizhan could very well understand the movements of the 9 planets and their nature especially here, “the earth and the sun”. “chayam” or “nizhal” in tamizh is shadow… if it is then Poo”chaya”thil Ra”chayam” would mean the union of earth’s (poo is earth) shadow and Sun’ shadow, (RA, the sun) he could very well observe the shadow, its amazing!!!. Thats why he created the verse full of meaning.
From the net
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The Earth’s shadow (as it is cast onto the atmosphere) can be observed during the twilight hours, assuming the sky is clear and the horizon is relatively unobstructed. At sunset the Earth’s shadow is visible opposite the sunset in the eastern sky, just above the horizon.
At sunrise, the Earth’s shadow is seen in a similar way, but in the western sky. The Earth’s shadow is best observed when there is a low horizon (such as over the sea), and when the sky conditions are very clear.
So, from now on, the verse should be “POOCHAYATHIL RACHAYAM”…
“Poomiyin chaayam chooriyanin chaayathodu kalathal”.
The shadow of sun in earth’s shadow..mingling together.
Chaayam in tamizh is also colour or dyeing clothes.
The hidden meaning is something else. We say in tamizh for zero “poojiyam” (or jokingly muttai (egg) wrongly the correct word is choonyam (shoonya)..means vacant, emptiness, nothing, vacuum, crowdless, abandoned remote place like graveyard etc.etc.
If someone asks the philosophical point then the answer is we depend upon the SUN for running this earth. There are countless stars called SUN but we are able to see only one before us now. I am curious about those stars and many more earth planets and also humanbeings living there or mysterious aliens… i believe.
Please try to pronounce the tamizh letters “la”, “Lla” and “zha” and also “na” and “Nna” (moonu suzhi “Nna”) correctly. Do not murder the language Tamizh. Tamizh is endless OCEAN. Still there are lot of secrets hidden, i would like to have one another birth to learn them all. I am crazy about ancient people and their culture. I hate present day pub and club culture. Close all the liquor shops in tamizhnadu and open juice shops :) ..the menace drunkards and their affected families. Wives are in maarwaadi pawn shops and their husbands are in clubs drinking non-stop. What would happen to our world? The answer would be given by Emen, the Black Hole :) …i want to explore the spiritual world. What about pan-paraag, gutka, pan bahaar shops in tamizhnadu, Have they closed the shops or not? Keep on watching walls of tamizhnadu. just open the supaari pockets and explore, is there narcotic drugs in or not? Betal leaf is good ofcourse its full of goodness of calcium good for strong bones..girls note this point, u have to tackle gang of rowdies ..but gutka and pan paraag would lead to mouth cancer, if a tamizhan is affected ever by this cancer, then how would he talk in tamizh ? :) Think about it. Tamizh should survive :) by all means and ways.
Message for all the guys who consume strong alcoholic drink. Consumption of whiskey wud damage the liver and affect the main organ heart badly so be careful. I know, if they ever sit together to drink,,, then there would be fried pulses. potato chips etc. and also PAROTTA and CHICKEN OR MUTTON CHAALNA (gravy). Here, i would like to warn them all, eating maida based parotta is not good for health. Maida flour is refined one and it does not have fibre in it so it wud take lot of time to digest and finally it would create cancer in the body. So, maida based fried items like samosa, kacchori etc shud be avoided. Too much consumption of oil and butter based snacks wud lead to impure blood and it would lead to blood clot and paralytic attack also. Butter is not good but melted butter (ghee) is good for health. Wherever u see violence please send the doctors first not the police because all the people are psycologically affected. Police can do their job later on like registering the case, FIR etc.etc. :) All are tenseful.
If someone wants to learn tamizh then they should ask Tamizh Actress Shruti Hassan, daughter of Great Actor Kamal Hassan. She speaks good tamizh. I appreciate her a lot. Thank you for prounouncing tamizh in its purest form. All the languages of this world are divine but i am sure tamizh plays a great role. Tamizh my soul.
“Anuvilum Anu”…this tamizh line tell us about the tiny particle inside a particle that if we divide a small particle or when matter is divided and sub-divided until further division is not possible the remaining INDIVISIBLE particle is called PARAMA ANU, the God Particle. Tamizh Sitthars of ancient period had been constantly reasearching about this ANU and its function…what happened later on still mystery, may be we have the secrets kept somewhere. Just like, no one can divide the parama anu, SOUL can not be perished, the philosophy here is the dead body is destructible but not the soul as it would continue to live that means “circle of life”…endless journey or should we say “ETERNAL JOURNEY”. If we control our mind, be selfless and by keeping sympathy and love in heart there is a chance to see the soul. They can be sensed through any human organ too. So, here, PARAMA ANU and SOUL both are inter-related. Everything in this earth is made up of God Particle. A true spiritual insight to attain this state we should be selfless and we all have crossed so many births so far. Deed decides!. Vaazhka Tamizh Sittharkal!!!
We only know about 18 (pathinettu) Sitharkal, but before their period, there were 24 Sithharkal (saint) One of them was Aranka Nathar, the symbol is fish. One another Sithhar was Pathma (padma) Nathar, the symbol is Lotus.
“The mills of the gods grind slowly, but surely”.
Behind everything there is something hidden. We have in tamizhnadu a rock made tool called wet grinder (aatu kal) it is used to grind rice or pulses to make food items like dosai, vadai etc. etc. But this wet grinder has something to tell us connected with earth and its movement. Tamizhan found that the earth is round and that it rotates on its own AXIS creating day and night. Today, we have forgotten this grinder we use only modern grinders. But, if we closely watch and think deeply abt ancient tools and equipments we can understand the real meaning. All about Science!!. All about Nature!!!
if we move this rockmade pestle in reverse then it wont grind so, the pestle has to be turned clockwise then only the wet flour wud be ready.
Like a pregnant woman constantly taking care of the embryo in her womb, a king must do constant good to his subjects, sacrificing his self-interest.
May we, the tamizhans request the Inidan govt. to read the above and make us all live peacefully with dignity. A king must do charity to deserving persons and we are sure we deserve a lot. Love is God.!!! Unity is Miracle!!!
Still, there are so many dead souls wandering to tell us all their tales of tragic nature. Still the sun is beaming the witness.
when a matter of importance becomes unnoticed, left abandoned and the pain remains a case of routine nature, there wont be words like “shocked, surprised etc.etc. I have studied a lot with utmost care :)
Indian govt. is responsible for forcing tamizhan fishermen to catch fish somewhere else. This heartless govt. was not listening to the voice of tamizhans so far. Thousands of tamizhan fishermen had to die because of srilankans and still they cant see peaceful atmosphere….heartless nature of people, violence, vulgarity, injustice and insecurity and above all “death” only made me explore Gods and the Spiritual world. I have seen so far lot of sinners and narrow minded people…about good people i have a list with me, only a small piece of paper :)
A kind and divine Mother is always IMPARTIAL :) But, some worried mothers in india are throwing girl baby in the dust bin too. The reasons are Vulgarity and Insecurity. They dont want “Ma” but only “Eesha”.
CHIVAN and VISHNU both are same meaning the SUN….”Uchi veyil” in tamizh means “over heat” so instead of saying “uchnam” (ushnam, the name usha) they by adding “sh” call it “vishnu” another name “narayan” is also just like “kumaran” the protector. so the name of the state Haryana (india) was before “arayanam” the land of kumaran (rooster, sun). Truth. I understand now the birth of vishnu..chivan is neglected…craziness, unbelievable. I think the path was very very hard to cross, life of tamizhans.
Just like the rooster was the symbol of sun, BULL was the symbol of sun too, “NANTHEE” (bull) statue can be seen in chivan temples of tamiznadu. So, Nan”thee”, the good fire that is.. the bull represents the sun and “ku” matha (cow) represents water. That means, male form of humans the fire and female form the water.
As per news on net, the Nanthi (bull) statue in Kankai Konda Chozhapuram, Thiruchirappali (Tamizhnadu) is bigger than the nanthi statue in Pirakatheechwaran(brahadeeshwaran) temple of Tanjore dt. (TN).
The Kings of Egypt were associated with Osiris in death such that as Osiris rose from the dead so would they, in union with him, inherit eternal life through a process of imitative magic.
I am confirmed now only because of such beliefs “agoris” of india are also eating the flesh of the dead humans while it is burning. Osiris (eechan) the fire is humiliated. When will the agoris eat vegetables :) ?
Misunderstanding can lead us all to cannibals near the bank of the river kankai (ganga). Disaster.
OSIRIS here is fire, the light, the soul. Whatever way, the dead body meets its end the soul remains always IMMORTAL. Even if it comes in the form of air, it does not (wont) have a perfect human form, still mystery. Leave it.
“God revealed himself to humanity through his Son [the revealed], Jesus Christ, who is “the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being” (Hebrews 1:3). Jesus called God his Father (Matthew 10:32-33; Luke 23:34; John 10:15) and said, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father [the hidden]” (John 14:9). He boldly claimed, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). After Jesus’ resurrection, Thomas addressed him as “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28). According to the scriptures Jesus Christ was the revealed God.”
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The hidden one the “black hole” is it really the father or not yet to be found out? What is the intention of this father?
Just like the antam(earth) has in it the pintam(core), the sun has also the pintam the black hole. I wud like to know abt the core of earth and the black hole that is hidden,
Aten was a form of the sun god Ra. …in Egypt.
Athavan is one of the names of Sun in Tamizhnadu.
Similarities can be studied well.
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“The common Egyptian term for the sun, thus making him [The Amen or the Invisible One] “the visible”. Hence, Amun-Re combined within himself the two opposites of divinity, the hidden and the revealed. As Amun, he was secret, hidden and mysterious, but as Re, he was visible and revealed.”
Here, i find the truth, that is SUN or RA is VISIBLE but the AMUN or EMAN (tamizh, Lord of death sitting on buffalo, the colour black) is the hidden one but in reality it is the BLACK HOLE…the third eye of sun “NETRI KAN” in tamizh means the eye of forehead (the middle space between the two eyebrows). Sun is visible but the black hole is invisible….Powers exactly opposite to each other. Let me think deeply. So, the black hole theory is hidden in the name “eman” in tamizh, the third eye of chivan (sun).
Erumai in tamizh is buffalow. “Mai” in tamizh is black paste. So, the name “Eman” is from Erumai. Buffalow is a slow moving animal so, i hope black hole would be coming slowly too.
Infn. on net: The sun will never turn into a black hole. The sun is not a big enough star to make a black hole…… GOOD NEWS!!!!
Netri Kan thirappinum kutram kutrame…means.. do not open this third eye ever it would be a crime. .
I dont have doubts about the connection the city “Athens”, Greek,.. Katharevousa
( the name was neglected or abandoned) (kathiresan or vasan in tamizh for sun) and Athavan, the tamizh name for sun. It proves the fact Eechan was ruling the world once upon time even now but had to struggle hard to clear the illusion, i dont know why was he chasing me, he had been chasing me eversince i was in school. Someone is operating still unknown i want to explore further. i am warned not to do but i would i am seeker of knowledge. Knowledge leads to perfection.
Tamizhe en anbe, en amuthe, en kaniye, en muthe, en maniye, en thangame, en thaaye, en uyire,
Nee padum paadu nangu purigirathu. Nee “kadavul” aanaal, kadavulai kumbidum patharugal tamizhai azhikka ninaikkum marmam thaan enna? Nee punitham nirambiyavalaai irupathu antha saithaankalukku purigiratha avargalukku athu pidikkavillaiya?. Tamizhe nee aathavan uthitha pozhuthe malarnthu vitaai aanaalum nee innum chivan ennum neruppu irukkum koyil karuvaraiyil kooda irukka mudiyavillai…Ithai vida aniyaayam, akiramam engum irukka mudiyuma? ellavatraiyum poruthuk kondu innum thalai kavizhnthu, adimaiyaay, maanam kettu tamizhan iruppathan kaaranam thaan enna? Tamizhai azhikka ninaikkum hindiyay vendumaanal padikkavo purinthu kollavo seyveergalaaga, tamizhai puthaipatharkaaka alla. Aangilam padithu nangu pesa muyarchi seyveergalaaga. Athan moolam thaan tamizh mozhiyin perumai paravum.
One can learn hindi to understand things but it should not be allowed to send our mother to the graveyard.
Message for all the Tamizhans” “MASTER THE LANGUAGE ENGLISH”
My dear tamizh ‘MAY PEACE BE UPON YOU”.
Tamizhe en anbe, en amuthe, en kaniye, en muthe, en maniye, en thangame, en thaaye, en uyire,
Nee padum paadu nangu purigirathu. Nee “kadavul” aanaal, kadavulai kumbidum patharugal tamizhai azhikka ninaikkum marmam thaan enna? Nee punitham nirambiyavalaai irupathu antha saithaankalukku purigiratha avargalukku athu pidikkavillaiya?. Tamizhe nee aathavan uthitha pozhuthe malarnthu vitaai aanaalum nee innum chivan ennum neruppu irukkum koyil karuvaraiyil kooda irukka mudiyavillai…Ithai vida aniyaayam, akiramam engum irukka mudiyuma? ellavatraiyum poruthuk kondu innum thalai kavizhnthu, adimaiyaay, maanam kettu tamizhan iruppathan kaaranam thaan enna? Tamizhai azhikka ninaikkum hindiyay vendumaanal padikkavo purinthu kollavo seyveergalaaga, tamizhai puthaipatharkaaka alla. Aangilam padithu nangu pesa muyarchi seyveergalaaga. Athan moolam thaan tamizh mozhiyin perumai paravum.
One can learn hindi to understand things but it should not be allowed to send our mother to the graveyard.
Message for all the Tamizhans” “MASTER THE LANGUAGE ENGLISH”
My dear tamizh ‘PEACE BE UPON YOU”.
Tamizhans should learn english to explore this whole world. There is no need for him to learn hindi to communicate with non-tamizhans who speak hindi. It is one another language just like haryanvi or rajasthani thats all. One can do his business well in india with the help of English. So, all the indians are requested to master the language english.
The indian govt. is very much keen as usual to betray the tamizhans. Understand this. Tamizh is responsible for the language hindi and other languages. The ROOT is Tamizh. Those who are trying to murder tamizh from tamizhnadu shall go to HELL. They dont deserve to live in this holy land because they are GREEDY. The another name of greediness is SATAN. If you closely watch the crooked aims of the present govt. then i am sure they do not want tamizhans to survive, thats why they had invited the srilankan army to get the training here. So many had to die to protect our TAMIZH in the past and the sinners and their sin responsibles still filled with blood of TAMIZH MOTHER. One who is killing his own mother would never go to HEAVEN.
TAMIL MOTHER BE HAPPY. WE ARE WITH YOU. TAMIZH IS DIVINE!!!
Who is playing the role of Raj Pakshe in Syria? Just like Vavuniya and Mullivaaikaal in srilanka (ilankai) massacre in Tremsah, Syria. Where is God? Heartless are painting the walls with blood red. From now on, humans should not humiliate animals. A bad hearted human with six senses is indeed poisonous. Animals never do sin. We only are in need of Gurus and Saints to follow. Holy river Kankai is polluted, corpses are flowing on the river and agories eating the flesh of dead bodies on the bank of the river and they are called the “Shiv Poojaris” disciples of chivan, When will this barbaric society change? Technology has improved so the destruction too.
Let us all humans go to the jungle and send all the animals to the towns, Prophesy written already, there would be confusion, conflict… yes the prophesy was correct someone genious had written that with great wisdom, who was he?somewhere i read or heard i guess that even animals would begin to talk, the time has come …. lets go and teach animals all kinds of languages of this universe. Let them have fun too, they are afraid of humans. Tell them all, “no fear when i am here”…animals replied, we feel so fearful, just get lost …let us live peacefully you the humans :)
A criminal whether he belongs to south, north, east or west india,.. if he has the support of a corrupt police or a politician can not be made to meet his NEMESIS. And this india is full of unlimited gods to be explored :) Necharvaaki and Ichaki Amman have spoiled this whole earth by creating humans.
Warning: Do not give personal information, phone nos. to anyone. There are FACEBOOK crimes increasing day by day. CYBERCRIME to be checked out. Innocence vs cruelty.
So, poets like Maanikavachakar (he is not ancient) praised the sun god with their admiration, imagination and their artistic writing gave way for the sculptors to carve statues of chivan with tiger skin (necharvaaki, the hunter) and thirichoolam (trident, medical based) and ofcourse kankai (water) and all the facts only representing sun and his grace.
Just like “choli kramam” (saligram) a shining stone, Choli means shining in tamizh chothee linkam proved and turned out to be a stone atlast “chivalinkam” a red coloured stone from the sun ofcourse. “Chozhinkam” (sholinganallur) is also hard stone from the sea but known as “sea shell” used to play the ancient game “pallaanguzhi” in tamizhnadu. Pallaanguzhi board is even now available in tamizhnadu an interesting game to pass the time. :)
History of STONEHENGE – Tamiznadu.
The photo of stonehenge 300 years old (sumaithaangi) in pooviyoor, kanyakumari is on internet.
A stone installation usually found in the entrance of many villages. This is built as an offering made by the household of a deceased pregnant woman as a memorial stone to help share the burden of the passerby.
I have seen stonehenge in tamizhnadu villages, rocks and stones made them artistic indeed. Stonehenge is definitely serving the people who are in need. Noble job!
rocks and stones made them artistic and the brahmins exploitative :)
When humans are full of greediness religious books can not reform them. They are useless. Greediness is the ROOT of all kinds of evil jobs. I am confirmed. I hate the fact that i belong to this selfish world full of turmoil. For 60% of humans religious books are merely papers and they are following their routine formalities thats all.
Not only “unemployment and poverty” the reasons but the evil “VULGARITY” most importantly is the reason for crimes. Those who spread this evil should be punished severely, if they are doing this crime knowingly then it can be called “sadism”. A psycopath can be cured but a person with criminal mind can never be cured..
“ANTA CHARACHARAMUM “UMA”YAALIN AATCHI”.
Kanyakumari (water) is ruling the whole earth.
Destiny is written. No one can change it. Kadavul is the Core. We can reach and rule the sky but not the pintam (core). Chivan is the creator, protector and the destroyer.
All the mysteries and secrets are hidden in tamizh language and prophesies written already by ancient saints of tamizhnadu..do we have them or not? i would like to read prophesies written in bible, quran and Adi Grantham the holy book of sikh if it is available in english or tamizh then i would like to read them all to know the divine messages. i have read bible several times but have not touched quran would like to explore and i have one question why religions can not make people come together and live happily and peacefully? Why always difference of opinions, debates, discussions, negativity, supersticious belief, struggle, poverty, conflict, partiality, desire for land and property, greediness, robbery, violence etc. Still girls and women are suffering in the society they are humiliated, tortured mentally and physically. Why religions and holy books can not solve all the problems? am confused. Why people are heartless? Betrayal. Cheating.
What am i doing on this selfish and meaningless earth? For what? What have i seen so far? What am i seeing? What is in store? Who is operating after all? I miss my father a lot. Painful journey but exploring still. I could only watch dead soul (black coloured air passed) near the waves of Marina beach on 25th dec,2011 my first experience but not God. Who was it? Tsunami victim may be. Mystery. No communication.
“IN” ISAI means in tamizh sweet or pleasant music (melody)
“IN”MUKAM means pleasant face or smiling face.
“IN”MOZHI means sweet language.
“IN”THIRAN means pleasant or good (valuable, matchless) power.
“IN”SHA means pleasant, sweet heart “Eechan” (the sun, Eeshwar, ISHA).
So, one can understand the word “IN” is purely tamizh and “IN”SHA ALLAH would mean the pleasant protector of the mankind. Kaupaalan (gopal) means the protector of cows. Kau or Pasu in tamizh is cow.. paalan is the protector. If Kanthan (skenter in Albania) is the protector of mankind then Palani is also the name of Kanthan (rooster hidden meaning the SUN) in tamizh we have “Palani” temple in tamizhnadu. “EGYPT” would mean “Eecha Appan” (the father, the master, the teacher SUN)
“IN” SOL means sweet word.
“IN” MALAR means pleasant flower.
“IN” ARUL means sweet or good blessing.
“IN” PAM (inbam) means pleasant, happiness, joy or sweetness
Paalan Haara in hindi is one who is protecting but actually he is “Aran” Palani Kum”ara”n (rooster connected with SUN).
I would like to explore krishna and his peacock feathered crown. He is also called as “neela vanna kanna” means blue coloured kanna (krishna). Was he living or not? What about his history? What happened to him?
I have doubt about Lord “Kuvinthan” (govinda) Just like “Aravinthan” (rooster) he is also representing water because “ku” represents water in tamizh and the colour of krishna is blue or black whatever we have “kaali Maatha” too … she is water.(black cloud…karuthai Amman) I think i would get the answer in this birth itself, hopeful.
Indian girls singing song, “Govinda aalaa re…aalaaa”…but the one who helped Thraupati (Paanchaali Amman) would never come to help them. It is the situation and the reality today. Who is krishna? the mystery continues..am now in dwaaraka :) exploring thousands of temples in Mathura also.
Those who visit the famous temple Mamallapuram in tamiznadu can see the innocent but lunatic tamizhans carving the statues of lord Buddha with passion and sincereity. They the senseless do not even know the followers of buddha in Ilankai are killing tamizhans and harrasing still. One more question have they finished building temple for actress Hansika Motwani when will be kumpapisekam (cleaning the tower of temples)? Do they have enough water? :) will they ever stop carving, building and cutting woods and rocks? I request the tamizhnadu govt to provide sanitary environment for all the tourist spots. The artistic hard work of senseless tamizhans should atleast be given respect.
Sir Isacc Newton’s philosophy once again
โI can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people.โ :)
What abt regional and international conflict between countries? will there be end? Still india is also responsible for killing more than 45,000 innocent tamizhans in srilanka in MULLIVAIKAL alone..The name itself is tamizh, vaaikaal in tamizh means canal. Mullivaaikaal means the canal with thorns surrounding. Army commander of Srilanka Jaya Surya recently told that Raja Pakshe was ordering them to murder tamizhans. The so called descendants of vijaya king of ancient Orissa to spread buddism in ilankai…. the heartless,cannibals, and the satanic ones.
still tamizhnadu ministers are dancing to the tune of indian music :) Chivan has stopped dancing bharatnaatyam the creator of this dance form.
it is too difficult to wash away the sin. Stop exploiting.
the origin of languages is unkown
and there is no doubt that the origin of all the languages of the world is one single unique language
cause all humans are sons of adam and eva
all relegions and all humans tribes and peoples and wherever they are they have this idea of adam and eva
so since our father is one whose adam
and since the mother of the mankind is eva a one woman
so the language they were speaking is the original one
and there is another proof that what i am saying is a reality
if studied many languages and i noticed that all of them where related strongly or not strongly
depending on the geographic
Aa”thee” means the fire without beginning “tham” means the “end”. “Aatham” means the beginning as well as the end, “Aathamili” means the one which does not have the beginning as well as the end here it is the “sun”. We can refer this word “aathamili” in Poet Manickavachakar’s book “Thiruvachakam”. The whole book is praising the sun god. How this sun came to give us all life is still illusion. There are so many stars bigger than sun also but they are far away from us so they are glittering stars for us at night. The illusion (piramai, maayay, maayam) here is Sun the question still pending, unanswerable. If it is “aathamili” (no beginning, no END) then our world is safe. “eve” , aval means She is water, the fountain, the water fall (chalam) from chivan. Arthanaarichwaran, the human form of man and woman… still mysterious. What is it???
There are so many ways to hurt the feelings of people who speak tamizh.. one is to allow the srilankans to get army training that too in tamizhnadu. This nasty game is being played by the indian govt. I just want to know the ministers who gone from tamizhnadu to run the centre what are they really doing? are they puppets or slaves or singing solo song or chorus or addicted to money, power or comfort? Why cant they oppose? Are they given a sensitive post to deal with? What is the truth after all? Why should the innocent people suffer because of them?
Those who talk and write against tamizh language in tamizh nadu should leave the temples and let us all live peacefully. Questions for those who oppose tamizh with malicious aims… why do they chant rhymes before tamizhan god chivan (sun) and loot hard earned money of tamizhans? Humans can not teach them the lesson but the supreme power. Patience, Patience…there should be limit. Those who send their mothers and fathers to the old age homes to suffer wont talk well of tamizh our mother. Circle of life would continue!!!
Chivan is confused about the rhymes sorry hymn in sanskrit he is demanding these days tamizh. Translator may please be sent into the sanctom :) Chivan is asking Where is tamizh?
to keep the innocnent people in darkness for so many thousands of years is really a brainy work. We should accept the fact that we are fools even now. But i am not blind.
SO,.. “CHIVALINKAM” means a piece of rock or meteor that had come from outer space that fell through space and produced bright light and when reached the earth’s atmosphere it was burning continuously because of the layer of air surrounding the earth and just like Palinku kal (the shining marble) Koozhanku kal (round shaped smooth shining pebble) Chivalinkam was a reddish shining stone or rock that was later on used to prepare herbal medicines and gave us all the sittha (siddha) medical way of curing ailments. Chivappu in tamizh means “reddish” so from now on treat this chivalinkam “a stone or a medical instrument”. Chivalinkam is also called in tamizh as “chothee linkam” (jyothir linkam).
Chivakumar the name.. meaning the son of SUN ie, ( rooster the bird, kuravan)
Chivakumari would mean the daughter of SUN ( hen, the bird, kurathi)
The jewish mystical thought KABBALAH (Godhead) can be connected with Kappaalam (mandai odu in tamizh) it means skull. Kapaalaeechwaran temple is in chennai, the story would lead us all to the graveyard. If the name Isaac is from Icha(isa) or Ichaki Amman, then “Jacob” is from Chigappu (red colour in tamizh, the sun) Chigappu kunkumam means red coloured vermilion which the married women apply on their forehead as a sign of marriage.
Let me divert my concentration from Indian Cricket Selection Board…. the board and its selfish members should stop their partiality shown towards tamizhan guys (neglected for so many years passed) as far as sport is concerned there should not be religious thoughts…. I wonder how did they allow Dhanraj (pillay) to play hockey? Ok leave it…it would take a long time to understand the whole matter…. Now, i am busy watching BBC news… wud like to watch”Focus on Africa” and at the same time my brain is thinking about the similarity of the name “CASABLANCA” (Africa) with “ISABALANCA” (Ilankai). The name of the river NILE has been formed from “NEELI” (blue) and we have Neeli Amman in tamizh nadu. Just like Mari Amman,.. Neeli Amman is also representing water. African cities names like Sudan (chudalaimaadan), Nigeria (nechar), Ethiopia (Ethiraachan, Ethiappan) have connection with Chivan (sun) Angola (Ankaala Amman) with Ankaala Paramaeechwari the woman goddess (water) and city “Botswana” with Pitharvanam of Tamizhnadu the temple of chivan. “Kenya” may have relation with “kanaiyya” ( kanhaiya).
I would like to research the name “Madagascar”. Let me go to Africa now. Left sided brain is thinking about “God Particle” even now (Kadavul thool). Kadavul in tamizh means God.
Away from all the narrow minded, selfish and money minded indian politics i am very much happy thinking and connecting the facts and confirmed after exploring the names of the cities of Africa that there was business transaction between African people and tamizhans i am sure that business was innocent and corruptless and ofcourse with smile and laughter and they were all good hearted because friendship was important for them. So, there was tradesman from all the places like Egypt, Rome, Portuguese and so many countries coming to tamizh land. The sea boat (catamaran) kattumaram in tamizh can tell lot of stories full of wonder. I am thinking about the sea route and the distance level…undoubtedly hard work!!!.
MADAGASKAR of Africa is again a name related to Chivan (sun). In tamizh Maadachaami (chudalaimaadan) is a form of chivan worshipped in the villages. And there is temple called Madakasira in Andhra Pradesh. As Chivan is also Kaachi nathan (kaashinath) in the city Kaasi (india) Madagaskar is the name of chivan proved atlast with deep thoughts. Sriharikota of Andhra was before “Thiruarikottam” (the fort of God Murukan (rooster).
Casaba means kechaappan the father with hairy head. Appa in tamizh means father. Kechappan is here Sun only. Isaba means Father Eechan (eesa or isha) So, ilankai is a land where sun was worshipped once not with priest ofcourse. Nature was worshipped there. Chivan with Kankai (ganga) the endless holy river. Because of chivan, kankai is still flowing if chivan is not there then there would be darkness and fertile land wont be there only icy atmosphere. Chivan is Sakthee (thee means fire in tamizh) Sakthee means “all fire” ..sakaathevan means the omnipotent God. Shakti is not Parvati here but the power of sun because of sun, water is available he is the creator. Already the Chitamparam rakachiyam” (raaz or gupt) the secret of sky that was hidden in the form of red stone in chitamparam temple is exposed no need to explore further. All the humanbeings are connected with heavenly bodies, the level of magnet in the body is to be tested. Sun is controlling still.
Magnet has the capacity to attract iron made equipments what abt Japan with electronic equipments? does that have connection with level of magnetic power and earthquake? The quantity of magnet in earth’s core and the usage of iron metals. Think abt it.
kanaiyya(kanhaiyya) “ayya” in tamizh means “sir” or “Lord”. “Karumai nira kanna” in tamizh means the black coloured kanna (k”iru”tinan, krishna) “irul” means black or darkness. So, the name indicates surely he was tamizhan (who lived in kucharaat belonged to Aaathavan community (yadava) “aathavan” in tamizh is sun. So, Lord or the famous kanhaiyya belonged to the chiva kothiram (shiva gothra). Secrets are hidden still..
Vindu vindu mayilon vindu
Mundu mundu muragavel mundu
Yendranai yalum yaeraga celva
Maindan vendum varamagizhndudavum
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The above four lines are from KANTHAN CHATTI THEE KAVACHAM (pronounced as kantha shashti kavacham) the song which praises Lord Murukan (the rooster). The pot of fire carried by the devotees…. To me these four lines in them have the secret of evolution,
the first line tells that “seed seed peacock seed …(Mayil (the peacock bird in tamizh) the bird here means the blue ocean but said to be the chariot of God Murukan) The sun is rising above the ocean after seeing the sun the bird rooster with cockadudle doooo…..
the second line tells that “surge surge rooster surge (may be the sun and its heat)
the third line tells that ” the one who is ruling me.. the dearest one the endless the Emperor.
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the fourth line tells that ” may i be blessed with a son please bless me with a boon”.
So, here the four lines clearly indicate the presence of Sun and Water the NATURE.
Let me have some more details..i shall be churning the ocean of knowledge further. Things are different before me the real meaning not exposed.
Why female babies are neglected in india? Stop the system “dowri” (dahej) that may be the reason why all are in need of male babies. What about the rest of the world?
Phisophy of Sir Isaac Newton,
“And from true lordship it follows that the true God is living, intelligent, and powerful; from the other perfections, that he is supreme, or supremely perfect. He is eternal and infinite, omnipotent and omniscient; that is, he endures from eternity to eternity; and he is present from infinity to infinity; he rules all things, and he knows all things that happen or can happen.”
” I have presented principles of philosophy that are not, however, philosophical but strictly mathematical – that is, those on which the study of philosophy can be based. These principles are the laws and conditions of motions and of forces, which especially relate to philosophy”.
Ok, here my comment, the “secret of the sky” no one knows could not tell so far or whatever written in tamizh language was destroyed because of invasion thousands of years before. But, still now we have our Chitamparam temple intact in tamizhnadu. The meaning of “chit” in chitamparam is not related to gyanam or wisdom as written here on internet but “heat”. “chitai” in tamizh means the “fire” or “heat”. “chitai ootuthal” in tamizh means “to burn” the dead body ( the Spirit or Aathma is immortal).
As per mythological story wife of Rama was burnt alive (to test her virginity) cruel custom indeed. So her name is “chitai” (fire). So, Chitamparam would mean “fire” (chitai) and “amparam” (sky), the sky of fire the reason is the omnipotent SUN who is dancing with bright waves (kechavan, Kecham means hair in tamizh) sunbeam. The temple of Chitamparam the name itself explained a lot in the past ..after constant observation about sky, one of 5 elements the name was given to this temple we can see the dance of nataraasan (natraj) here… this temple could have provided us a lot of informations but secrets written on palm leaves(panai olai chuvati) had been destroyed cunningly long years back. Frustrated tamizhanh hearts could not probe further.
Red transparent stone in this temple (do they still have this stone?) appichekaram(abhshikam) clearly shows that the sun is Chivan (Eechan, Piraman) and it is being washed with scented (perfume) water and coconut water (the hidden meaning to please the sun god and request him to slow down his heat…i am serious not joking :) ).
Nataraasan (Nataraja) dances with a small drum called damarukam in one of his right hands. Easwra is naatha pramam. He is the origin of all sounds(naatham).This is the seed vinthu (vindu) from which the tree of the Universe emanated. …..Lord Murukan (rooster the bird) is called as “Aravinthan”.
Protection (Operation)- In another of the right hands, he shows the โApayaMuthraโ, meaning he is the kind protector…… (payam in tamizh means fear Apayam means fearless)
Destruction; He has fire in one of his left hands , symbolizing destruction.When everything is destroyed by fire, only the ash will remain which the Lord has smeared on his body….. (the habit of applying vipoothi on forehead, chest and hands, and the habit of Agori Baba of Varanachi (varanasi) or Kachi (kaasi) may please be observed.
GOD PARTICLE ie, the Vinthu (the seed) i am very much curious to know about this amazing thing.
I am not COSMIC, but would like to be to control so many things on earth :)
Vaalka Tamizh!!! Vaalka the Sun and the Earth!!!
Before sand was formed there were only rocks and stones on earth and when humans managed their life well with 5 elements there was a need to find out cure for ailments so there were only rocks and stones so he took it and made it into a medical instrument that was miracle for them all, So, they started appreciating their own efforts and gradually the appreciation turned out to be respect with gratitude and it became a custom and rituals later on followed and wrong meanings given for profit. Here, i think one who does not know the real meaning of a thing fails or one who deliberatly hides a thing would get his answer one day.
“Neem hakeem khatra jaan”, this hindi verse tells that if the doctor does not practice his subject of medicine well then the life of the patient would be in danger.
And those are the blessed one who are shown the secrets and explanations. Patience is needed for those are who constantly experimenting
Tamilan guys are deployed in Indian Army even today to guard the border and their dead bodies are sent to the villages in tamizh nadu that time only they are called as INDIANS. Only during war, they are given respect hopefully.
My question is How many tamizhan soldiers were there in indian army when it was sent to srilanka to stop the war. I want the whole detail before me….. So, the innocent tamizhans the so called indians are exploited when they are soldiers.
There wont be BJP and CONGRESS when the matter of tamizhan comes they get themselves united and would send a lady who is in the opposition party to check up the welfare of tamizhans ??? in srilanka. When the group comes back from there to india, their quarrel would start again. Extra intelligence is needed to know the unity. I think they should open the dictionary to know the exact meaning of HUMANITY. When they have even divided the gods then how would they ever know the meaning? The whole conspiracy against tamizhan community should be probed with sincere efforts. I think good hearted people of this world may like to explore the life of tamizhans. They lost their land in pakistan, afghanistan, they lost their Indus Valley, they lost their kankai (ganga) river, they lost their katcha theevu (the katchai island), they lost their ilankai (srilanka) and the remaining one is Tamizh Nadu, the destiny The Almighty knows.
I dont want to comment but I know very well, these days SWAMI NITHYANANDA is very much busy to compare the Tamilnadu police once again to SCOTLAND YARD police and to inform you this man has the ability to bring lot of changes in Indian political field. And also want to know how much money he is supplying to settle once again in bangalore city. All the fingers are not the same but this so called swami the tamizhan criminal (his history the whole detail i need information about his ancestors) the small little finger is trying to be THUMB. :) All the girls please try to understand why Swami Vivekananda was meditating in kanyakumari? Why “kanyakumari”? What kind of intuition he had about this ocean. The cradle of civilisation.
Sir Isaac Newton said,
“Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my greatest friend is TRUTH”.
and another one from him is,
“I keep the subject of my inquiry constantly before me, and wait till the first dawning opens gradually, by little and little, into a full and clear light”.
Ok, now the philosophies are over, now come to the point, i am only fighting for justice not exploring hearts so bad. All the fingers are not the same, but i am crazy about the
ancient civilisation and above all the TRUTH and my aim is to support the innocent ones who were affected badly because my heart told me and something forced me to do something for innocent tamizhans…thats why. Believe it or not..i dont care.
“NO GREAT DISCOVERY WAS EVER MADE WITHOUT A BOLD GUESS”.
Above quote by Isaac Newton.
But i am connecting everything not with historical facts but with intuition
http://www.namescape.in/
JUST OPEN THE ABOVE LINK TO FIND OUT THE “TAMIL LAND” ONCE UPON A TIME IN PAKISTAN.
There are so many evidances to prove that beyond “Indus Valley” in the region of todays pakistan tamizhans had been living once upon a time with great ancient glory with peace and serenity i suppose dont want to mention internal family problems indeed (Ghar Ghar ki Kahani) each and every country,state,village,hut and bit have problems of their own. Now, the tamizh names such as korkai, vanji, thondi etc in pakistan shows the connection. The undeniable proof!!!. Indus Valley had Chivan(eechan,the Sun God) and murugan (the cock) worship, The cock taught them the discipline to wake up early and do your duty.
The Surnames like Arora, Tiwari, Malhotra, Sengupta, Ghosh, Gaur, Garg, Aggarwal,Taxali etc, etc connection with the tamizhan worship of murukan in indus valley.Even Mohenchadharo,and harappa were tamizh names later on the proununciation had been changed. Mookan and Arappan were names of Murugan God….Names like Azhagu Mookan (mohen) and Kumarappan(harappa) would clear the doubts. No need to have confusion. But, the moment tamizh was introduced struggle had been started because of so many invasions. FORGET IT. Now think positively, stop fighting find out solutilons. UNITY IN DIVERSITY. COLOURFUL INDIA. Now, What is going on in Ilankai(srilanka) are all the tamizhans safe there or not? Are they all trapped? in between the ocean,the fishermen….May we request the “lnternational Human Rights Commission” to protect them all? The real and original land owners are in need of dignity and safety. What about central govt. of india? oh!! they are busy making cartoons.. good job!!!! changing history effectively. May the Sun God Eesan notice properly.
AFTER READING THIS I AM CONVINCED TAMILIANS ARE CRAZY WHACKJOBS
Tamil 6087+2012=8099 yrs oldest Language in the World..
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1) # Classical Tamil (oldest language in the world.Mayans are Tamils which is mention in …Tolkฤppiyamas Mamuni Mayan Sangam literature ca.6087BC, defined by Kumari kandam)
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2) # Classical Chinese (based on the literary language of the Zhou Dynasty from ca. the 5th c. BC)
3) # Classical Greek (Attic dialect of the 5th c. BC)
4) # Classical Sanskrit (decribed by Pฤแนini’s grammar, but used since ca. 8th c. BC)
5) # Classical Sumerian (literary language of Sumer, ca. 26th to 23rd c. BC)
tamil is the oldest language in the world..
if u don’t know the details of classic tamil then u should go to see cartoon channel.. not to comment here.
Hi Friends,
According to Some Best Books and Archeological surveys all over the world i am writing this comment.
Let We start from the beginning, Tholkappiyam is the oldest and the first written book via palms leaves found as the material to prove the truth of Tamil. We found it in the damage state. If a damage state book can give the best grammar of Tamil language means then how we think its the first book or writings of Tamil. May be there will be the lot of Tamil We have to find in future which is written before the Tholkappiyam.
Then About ThiruKural, A poem which was written in time of 40 B.C can give the very good meaning to life realities with only two lines means then peoples just think and tell the origin of Tamil Language.
Then About Tamil Sangam(Club), If the Third and Last Tamil Sangam are destroyed at the age of 300 A.D means, then what about the Past two sangams of Tamil?,
Even Archeologist Don’t Have answers for this.
(Writings in Tamil-Brahmi(old writing script of Tamil Language) script have been found in many locations in Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Sri Lanka and also in Egypt and Thailand.(Writings From Wikipedia)).
Not only Tamil Peoples are telling this most of the world’s best archeologist are telling that Greek, Romans, Egyptians, etc… many of the countries are traded with southern parts(Tamil Nadu) of India. Even they are trying to prove it.
Even branch languages of Tamil are spoke by the some peoples of part of Kashmir.
If its true means then Tamil will be the older then Sanskrit.
Wait for some more time friends you will know about the truth of Tamil and its Deep culture.
NANRI VAZHGA TAMIZH, VAZHGA YEN THAAI THIRU NAADU
For Further Info About Tamil Kindly Go Through This Website http://tamilwritersguild.com/overseas-exploits-tamil.htm
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/India_and_Egypt.htm
There may have been many dialects which were used by different people in different parts of world, but sanskrit was the first dialect which was written and further evolved as a language. Its history dates back to 7000bc so in my knowledge it must be the oldest language.English which is the most widely used language in today’s scenario came to existence a few hundred years ago. Latin from which English evolved is just 1-2 thousand years old. If you talk about Tamil it has many similarities when compared with sanskrit in terms of its grammar and it is even older than latin but has evolved from sanskrit.
Hope you got the answer for your question.
Thank you!! Arigato!!
Dear all,
Before researching and debating about tamil language how to save tamilnadu from the criminals from the neighbouring states and from the north especially BIHARIS is the question here.
the Tamil nadu Govt. should immediate action to close all the “Pan Parag” shops in tamilnadu because biharis are the users of pan parag and gutka these criminals from bihar state wont allow tamilnadu safe and the walls of tamilnadu would be the worst affected with stains of tabocco and pan (vethilai). These criminals would use the soft nature of tamilans to expand their terrritory here. Note this point seriously. And also plese check their connection with other north indians here in tamilnadu especially with maarwaaris. unless we the government take action against these goons the future would be in danger. If we give space to these criminals then it would be too difficult to control them. Tamil language yes it would also vanish away from tamilnadu because of these north indians. We lost our Indus Valley already keep this in mind always.
The bihari criminals enter into our state in disguise of students So, all the colleges and educational institutions here should be given notice to check all the bihari and north indian students. They are helping each other the gangs can communicate very easily through mobiles and e-mails. Police department should be alert. And railway stations should be monitored carefully. Identity of each person from east and north india should be kept and the records be in the the head quarter of police, tamilnadu. WARNING!!!! BE SERIOUS!!! Girls and women be alert!!!!
Vaalka Tamizh!!! Vaalka Tamizhakam!!!
Are you a Tamilian or an Indian? If you are an Indian then stop pointing fingers and making such harsh judgement and if you are so clean freak then come out with a solution to clean India not just Tamil Nadu. Try to do google search for criminal listings in Tamil Nadu and you will come to know that your own(tamil) politicians are the biggest criminal in Tamil Nadu. I never heard anything from a true Indian which differentiates a person from north to a person from South. India is a free country and there should be no boundation for Indians to travel from one state to the other. I believe in globalization, if Indians start forming such boundaries for their own indian brothers then no wonder what is happening in Australia will start all over the world.Regarding Tamil language, I believe it should be a compulsory language in schools so all kids(north+south indian) can learn this beautiful language.
To my surprise, according to legend Sinhalese are the descendants of the exiled Prince Vijaya who arrived from North-East India to Sri Lanka in 543 BC. Buddhism was exported to Sri Lanka from ORISSA.
To tell the truth to all of you before ILANKAI became Sri Lanka the land was ISABALANKA ie, the land of EESAN (EECHAN, the Sun God) Eechanin Ilankai not Buddhavin ilankai. I hope you got the point and understand why i am so angry.
There is no need for me to be a true tamizhan to support the innocent tamizhans and there is no need for me to be a true nigerian to support the helpless people there also.
Tamil is one of the oldest language of this world . If u compare Tamil with Bengali you are a fool ! Im very sure about it . Tamil exist from the 5th century BC but Bengali is just from 900 AD !
The list of indian languages .
Tamil – 5th century BC
Middle indo Aryan prakit – 260 BC
Kannada – 450 AD
Telugu – 620 AD
Old Hindi – 769 AD
Malayalam – 800 AD
Oriya – 900 AD
Bengali – 900 AD
Marati – 1000 AD
Kashmiri – 1350 AD
Tulu – 1500 AD
All indians should know this . I’am not lying if you have doubts you can check the list of old languages ! Dont fight for this . Learn to respect all the languages . And give special respect to the oldest and living languages such as TAMIL always . Its a proud to India so indians please dont fight for this ! Be United !
Sanskrit is the oldest language of the world.
you said Tulu – 1500 AD, but there is evidence that Tulu is contemporary to Tamil.
first of all dnt cmpre tamil and sanskrit..bth hve difrnt origin and in sme course of time they met each other and difrnt dialects languages had risen up.. Im a Tamilan and i knw abt tamil..its nt jst a language which jst came to communicate wid each other..the letters represent the nature itself..early tamilans didnt worship statues..but worshipd sun,rain,etc which is stil evidnt frm pongal where sun is worshipd and rain as ‘maari’ for which we hav temples evry vilages..idol wrship cmes only aftr aryan influence..we dnt knw wen this culture and language blossm in earth bcoz it givs the feelng tat it jst cmes frm the nature itslf..bt the sad part is we jst hav 2000 yrs of knwn histry abt it..
U tamilians always keep on saying ur language as oldest but the thing u said is bullshit which u r saying a meaningless theories.
&Govind. U must b a f****** KannaDICKa.
I dont know Tamil or Sanskrit is the oldest , but as per my knowledge Sanskrit is the only context free language in the world and most rich in grammar.
TAMIL is very buetyfull language
Adam and Eve’s Mother Tongue is Tamil.
Hey Evry tamilians are like this hahah They will talk that they are Tamil BLOOD, and not an Indian Blood When the time of war aGainst British, Now telling that Adam and Eve’s Mother tongue is Tamil…..hahahah Then Their colour also Like tamil Color Black hehehe
yes, adam and eve are black according to bible.anyway both are indian languages sanskrit is advanced and tamil is sweet
Whe are saying tat bse we got something to say about Tamil,an wat u hav got to say about urs. An dont talk about beauty like black or white beauty is in colour its in heart. Which is not in you. If people say talk some true just appreciate them insted of getting jullious an loughing at them with a stinky mouth. Do u know wats da power of black. An before i forget i say u something see where is black above ur head an where is ur white below ur feet.
sunil who says that it can not translate in tamil .when it translate it is like a normal sentence with no effect in tamil as tamil poems have .so they changed some words to get taste ok.from your statement itself you accepted that tamil is a complete different language with no roots.
Sunil, brother you cannot be more wrong than what you have stated above. Instead of ignorantly bashing Tamil one of the living Classic languages and praising a dead one go read any encyclopedia and improve your knowledge. Best of luck.
hey guys, what is this all of you bluffing, story of 100bc, 1000bc, 10000bc isnt it joke?even archeologist cannot state the actual dates, he can only guess . guess is guess thats all. now come to language directly
Telugu got value in the period of Krishna devaraya ( this relates some comedy story of god TELUGU vishnu and king himself , I suppose that TELUGU vishnu doesnt know languages other than telugu ………what about is non telugu devotees…….does he need any translator ?) before this is there any appreciable works in telugu ?
Sanskrit is the oldest languages ever known. All others are derived from this only , some are derived correctly (like kannada) some are derived with lot of mistakes (tamil, telugu etc.) these can be better called as distorted sanskrit.
It doesnt hold good to say old is gold in all the cases. old gold only good gold,
kannada has pure sanskrit words without lu,mu,du of Telugu and am,da of tamil.it is finly tuned with sanskrit .
Now tamil —They cannot even translate our national anthem correctly due their language dificiecy it cannot be a rich one as they tell.
distorting sanskrit by using exaggerated lu,mu,du, etc makes one language rich or sweet ?
Dear Sunil,
what do you know about tamil? if you dont know full info, dont blabber in public forum. Go and search Indus Valley civilization then you will come to know Tamil.
We are still holding so many festival right from IVC period. Tamil each words has etymology! Could you bet to provide in Sanskrit?
Sanskrit and Tamil which is older we dont know and I think we will never know for sure.
They both had evolved Independent of each other so therefore they are vastly different.
Tamil must have originated in the reigion of “TAMILAKKAM” which was the historic reigion encompassing most of south indian states. There is scientific proof of that . Gradually the reigions started freely borrowing Sanskrit vocabulary (only vocabulary mind nothing else , the south indian languages have their own structue) and the reigional dialects and variations resulted in the Offshooting of the major south indian languages (im basing this on an article i read and its purely a hypothesis ).
Whreas Sanskrit could have originated anywhere in India (i refuse to believe it has outside origions) maybe evn in the south because whatever may be the south indian languages (except tamil) have more sanskrit vocabulary and borrowings than the north indian reigional languages. SO the point is anything is possible.
Now my pont is instead of arguing about this topic we should find similarites and we should appreciate both the languages because both are classical languages with highly rich literature and all indians must be proud of both of them.
the national anthem was written in bengali! bengali is jus 1000 years old language! pls donot compare it with the TAMIL language! the oldest language still having the richness by its own! sanskrit is the language which was copied from tamil because of the aryan invasion! PLS do not compare it with tamil! tamil language is the only language has the mathematical representation by itself( u can ask the tamil speakers they can able u answer) ppl in INDUS valley they spoke tamil, There is DNA evidence stating that the dravidians(tamilians) have an summerian origin( its proven by m20 genes) the whole india was in tamil long ago, after the inavsions of the aryans tamilians has been pushed to south india! since aryan need to defen themself they created a language and veda to defend themselves but they used tamil as main source and created a replica( sanskrit has no linguistic form) so it does not come under written language! U do not speak the language thats why u dont und the value of it! and since its india they don want to boast a the ancient language because we are dravidian and ppl who are ruling in central are ARYANS and only the south india is dravidian race! which has origin from the sumer’s! i have to mention this tamil had the lovely literature and art in their language during that time the ppl in the world were uncivilized and roaming in the forest! we had the tamil sangam in those days its approximately 11,000-13000 years ago! we can able to prove that an private origanization has started the research in the famous lemuria( famously known as the atlantis by many fictional authors). our ancestors have taught the civilization to the world but now even the own contry is ready to share the ancient language! because the influence by the western world and the aryan govt’s in the central!!
Wow … I’ve heard dum things but none this dum …lol Brother even I Am a tamilian but i am sane . You clearly have low IQ :P
Anyways people like him are responsible for the image people have against us tamilian. First of all there is no ARYAN DRAVIDIAN theory.
This theory was introduced not by an Indian but a European (Max muller) …IT was just to divide India by the British and sadly it is working till even today because of Dum and idiotic folks like you.
And secondly The language spoken in the Indus valley civillisation has still not been determined and for sure it is definitely NOT Tamil . Tamil had its own script which is thousands of yours old but the script and inscriptions found in the cities like Mohenjo daro do not match any script of any contemporary language in India.
And dude Sanskrit is a great language. So is Tamil and both have great Literature . No need to compare both of them .
And also logically speaking how can you FORCE an entire language family to move from one part of the county to the other. That is just the most absurd theory ever. So dude please watch some discovery channel shows before commenting on topics such as these.
oldest language in India for sure is Tamil then came sanskrit few thousands years later. Kannada just came recently from Tamil.
1.TAMIL 2.SANSKRIT 3.TELUGU 4.MALAYALAM 5.KANNADA
Dude….
You understanding that sankrit is the oldest language is a mistake of epic proportions…..moreover sanskrit and tamil have totally different scripts not one is derived from the other….and translation abilites dosent qualify for a language to be old infact the oldest language will be translated by other languages and will not be focusing on translating other languages…hope you undertand my point…lu mu usuages whihc you have infered is extremly amature and not a valid core basis foran argument….and the evolution and resistence of this language scientifically…yea dude scientifically has made it the oldest language on earth…brush your facts before spitting them half chewed next time
Its a shame that people with in India have to fight out about language. Well just to add summary you are fighting outing oldest language without proper proof. One says stories imaginary other another. Telugu is the oldest language cause it has inscriptions unearthed aged at 4500BC and. Ever know tomorrow they might unearth 10,000 BC old Telugu inscriptions and just matter of time. Sanskrit was developed and used in the northern India starting early 200 AD before which the actually language used was Pali and prakrit. After which Sanskrit gained a strong foothold in the northern India until 1000AD, after which the. Ollapse of the language started once Hindi was the common language among people in north and Telugu in the south. Old Tamil existed in southern most tip and didn’t get a chance to mingle with other language as was the case with Telugu and Sanskrit which had an influence on each other for centuries making it even more popular among most of India. In the south the old tamil was used . Well if so old was Tamil and. Ery reknowned in literature why is that it is spoken only in TN and still only 5th largest spoken in India, where Telugu is 2nd highest spoken language of India in top 15 languages spoken around the world. Telugu Literature has profound affects of influencing languages like Tamil Kannada Malayalam and even Sinhalese. It’s the sweetest language of India hence called the “Italian of the East” where 95% of Telugu words end with a vowel giving a sweet effect. Now coming to your age factor , Telugu has inscriptions in Greek history too. Checks your facts right if Tamil even had any influence so far.
So let you ask you a simple question my friend:
Most of the great temple of TN have Telugu inscriptions on the temple walls in Tamil Nadu, but you will not find a single temple in Andhra Pradesh with Tamil inscriptions. Does that even answer your question that whole of south was Telugu speaking until the few centuries back.
Here I would summarise TELUGU is the sweetest and the oldest language in India and world.
Dear Frend,
I would suggest you to go to Wikipedia and browse for the history of oldest languages,of the many languages Tamil is the oldest language and tamilians were one of the oldest civilizations on earth.Tamilians lived in “Kumari Kandam” or “Lumeria” continent.Below is a small history on the evolution of Tamilians,tamil and their continent.Source from Wikipedia.
ca. 200,000 to 50,000 BC: evolution of “the Tamilian or Homo Dravida”,
ca. 200,000 to 100,000 BC: beginnings of the Tamil language
50,000 BC: Kumari Kandam civilisation
20,000 BC: A lost Tamil culture of the Easter Island which had an advanced civilisation
16,000 BC: Lemuria submerged
6087 BC: Second Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
3031 BC: A Chera prince in his wanderings in the Solomon Island saw wild sugarcane and started cultivation in Present Tamil nadu.
1780 BC: The Third Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
7th century BC: Tolkappiyam (the earliest known extant Tamil grammar)
I summarize that tamil is the oldest language with tamil being the national language in india,srilanka,singapore. and spoken in malaysia,south africa..
For your information telegu is a language which had its origin from sanskrit.Tamil is much older then telegu.Kindly go through the link for complete details.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumari_Kandam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_language
have you really do research on this topic…?
simply don’t get in an idea that Telugu is the oldest language in the world?
please do proper research on it…!
tamizh is the oldest language in the world. there are lot of evidence, please kindly go through the tamizh poets and histories then all can realize that tamizh is the oldest language.
The first language was of Adam (Adam) and he was given a book in Suryani language which the oldest language.
Nice story you have I did not know I just knew that Latin was an old language. Also the oldest job is prostitution so if you search on the internet Europe live chat you will find girls that speaks a lot of different languages.
Thx Great Post,I enjoyed the Info.
Novoline spiele
don comment without proof..sanskrit is said 2 b the first language…and the first civlaisatio s harappan(indus valley,india)….n phrygian s 10 th oldest language
hey saravanan, you are right….there are many examples of this sort which prove that tamil is the oldest language ………and many people have commented that sanskrit is the oldest language…………….that is absolutely stupid……..b coz thirukkural was written 2000 years before …..it is such a marvellous literature and tamil was developed that much before 2000 years……….so its origin must be dated to the earliest.sanskrit was the language of the aryans and history says that they invaded india 2000 years ago and sanskrit originated only after that …………..there is no literary proof to show that sanskrit is the oldest…………its a stupid language ……….
The 1st kural has many sanskrit words ?
Agara = tam from skt
mudhala ezhutellam = tamil
adi = skt
bhagavan = skt
mudhake = tam
ulagu = tam frm skt.
Drop the royal ‘we’ and get cracking?” What exactly do you mean by that?
Wouldn’t mind having an explanation that was at least a paragraph long.
By “we” I meant people in general, not a “royal we”.
the oldest language is from God.
ways to say i love you
thank u very much for ur info
Tamizh is the ancient language however not the current one its full of wrong words!! There were 4 languages descended from vaikunta loka.. Sanskrit, vraj bhasha, tamizh and i forgot the last one… However shiva is the protector… Bramhan is the creator… Vishnu is the lfe giver… Shiva is an operator as in follows the orders, who gives order its vishnu my friends!!! Bramhan is the creator how is he born…?? Vishnu wants someone to take care of everything so bramha takes birth through the lotus from which is sprouted from vishnus naval… However Ravana was a great devotee of shiva but rama had to kill him… Who is rama none other than vishnu…. So get ur info right… Follow the right path always… Look into how shiva is born and then talk about shiva!!! Ofcouse shiva is a great vaisnava!!!
First of all, you should understand the fact that sivan is fire and he is still the illusion and no one can ever find out the truth how he came into existance to create all kinds of creatures and humanbeings. When He is still Pirammai (brahmma) how can you say that he was there because of the so called vishnu the protector actually he is not in reality. So many had to loose everything because of him in this world. So, you mean to say that the people came from central asia??? are the creator of this earth and the humanbeings. By the way, who gave you this talent of knitting and stitching stories, am very much surprised. I never knew the fact that you only created the Fire. But we are using gas stoves and electric stoves these days, why did not you make the people stop finding new items like room heater, water heater etc.etc. Dont insult the illusionary God the Fire the everlasting power. Understood!! Without you, we can survive, but without fire we can not. That is the difference. Clouds of illusion still.
In the life cycle the energy which gives birth is known as Brahma, the force which makes life possible for survival is Vishnu and then comes the decay & destruction this is known as Mahesha (Shiva). All three forces together makes a complete cycle. The word consists all three, hence we chant it. all are worshiped equally.
If these gods are worshipped equally then there should not be thousands of temples. Why dont they have only one temple to celebrate. By the way, Fire is not only doing the job of destroying it is also the reason to make the foetus survive. Chivan the Piraman is still unexplainable and unexplorable. Its beyond our intellectual power. The three jobs of creating, portecting and destroying are done by the same invisible power, in the ancient period it was found but various names are given later on used by the selfish people for their comfort. When someone is saying that he is PARAM, then it shows his arrogance. There are some good humanbeings with flesh and blood with divine power and they do not call themselves that i am the supreme power.
According to my googling tamil is the most oldest language in the earth.there r so many facts and proofs in this language
Thanks a lot Ms. M. We are grateful.
the oldest language is considered to be an old version of Albanian language. The god of Sun, named by Egyptians as “Ra”, can be explained only by old Albanian language, which means “is going down”, which is the fact what sun is doing every day. The star named by astronoms Vega (one of 5 stars which can be seen by eyes in a good weasther) has been the star which about 14000 years ago used to show the North Pole, and this star was named by pellazgs (ilir people and later albanians are their descendants) “neservaki”, which means he is going tomorrow, used in the ancient times for mens when they had to go hunting, if the weather permits (when the star was possible to be seen by free eyes). If you need more information, please go after Albanian language, since between ten oldest words of the world, discovered by linguists, six of them can be explained only and only by old Albanian language.
I am very much interested about the details given by you. Especially about “Ra”, “vega” and “Nesarvaki”. About “RA” We have some mythological characters named “RAVANAN” and “RAMAN”. The meaning of “RA” is i guess “darkness” or “black Colour”, because we say in tamizh for night “IRAVU” or “RAATHIRI”. “RAAKUL” means the community with black skinned people. “the full form is “RAAKULAM” in tamizh. Keep this “Vega” away. About “NESARVAKI” we have similar name of Goddess “ISAKI” Amman, She is the wife of Eesan (Chivan). About Hunting, King Raaman was a kshatriyan, with bow and arrow. All of this would lead us to some kind of connection. Let me think. I dont have time to go to the library.
If the sun is “going down”, then it would mean “darkness” that proves the fact that “Ra” means black.
About Albanian Names, the female name “Marigona” means a historical figure, she may our “Mari” our water Goddess, Kaltrina this name means “light blue” or “blue girl” may be she is representing the colour of water, in tamizh also “Kaateri” (Amman) means the jungle lake, there is relation between these names, And “Skender” in Albania is again a name which means defender of mankind. We in tamizh call “kumaran” as “kanthan” but it is prounounced by the sanskritist as “skanda”. …”Aran” means the “protector” in tamizh, “ku”maran” means the protector of water, or the defender of “kuma” (water mother). Kumaran, Kanthan, Murugan and so many other names are given to the bird cock in tamizh. I find here, the tamizh names of Gods are used in Albania.
Ravi in tamizh means the Sun, so the connection of “RA” and “RAVI” is understandable.The God of Sun, named by Egyptians as “RA” is already in ancient tamizh period. I am feeling so hungry..Please allow me.
Kanthar Sasti Kavacham is a song praising the Lord Murukan in tamiznadu. The aryan’s prounounciation is Skanda Shashti Kavacham.. Leave it…There should be a small correction this Sasti was actually “Chatti Thee” in the ancient period. The meaning the “clay pot with fire”. What was in the pot i am clueless but it was used or carried by the devotees to worship Lord Kanthar (murukan) and it was regarded as a shield or armour that is kavacham in tamizh. The entire meaning has been changed after the aryan’s invasion. There was only Sivan, Murukan and Meenamma and vinayakan or kanesan(ganesha) was not so popular though the elephant was the creator of the letter “o” (OM) in tamizh. The hidden meaning was we should stand still like a elephant and medidate chanting “om”. No distraction :) No evil thoughts.
Kanthar (murukan) was called by aryans as Skantar and we also call this Lord Kanthar as Azhagu (Alagu) Kanthar means Beautiful Kanthar and i am sure this name was the inspiration to creat the name Alexander. Points to be noted for research :)
Vadakku in tamizh means the north (side) and “vada meen” is north star in tamizh. I only write about the star not about any spicy snack item, understood, because i have written vada, a deep fried south indian snack and the name of fish there ie, meen…. Here, Meen is star, the ancient symbol, what made them draw no one knows, may be literary …flying or moving fishes of sky the stars…beautiful thoughts..very very imaginative. ok..now come to the point.
“VADA” meen and Albanian VEGA both are star only, one of 5 stars that can be seen in good weather. It seems they were in those days good people with good thoughts thats what made them to see those stars clearly. No evil thoughts. If Vada, the tamizh name for northern side is prounounced as vega in albanian language to call this northern star..if it is true then there is a strong relationship between tamizhan culture and albanian culture, may be the sanskritists made it possible while wandering around spreading our culture.
We do not see such stars clearly today but only with telescope. Think about it deeply. We people have changed a lot. We are cunning. :) We are poinsonous. :)
I will think about neservaki when i have time.
VATAKKU (tamizh), later on VADAGGU (aryan’s pronounciation) and VEGA (albanian’s).
Neser is Eechan, actually He is known as a hunter with trident in his hand, check it out!. The meaning of Trident is already explained. Now, in tamizh culture, there are so many gods and godesses named ISAKI, DEVAKI, VAITAKI(vaidehi),NAYAKI etc, these deiteis are known to hunt the evil doers as per stories. So, NESERVAKI this name if it is connected with hunting then it means Sivan the hunter was famous in those region of Albania in those days. I also thought so childishly before i came into this blog, that Sivan was a hunter. :) People can create anything they have really the talent. The brain matters.
NESAR is why Eechan (Eesa) because he is the subject of the Tamil Poet Maanika Vaasakar praising him in his Thiruvaachakam.
The verse here given below for kind perusal.
Thecha nechar soozhnthurukkun
Thiruvalamkanch chevikka
Eesa ponnambalathaadum
Enthaai Inithaan Irankaaye.
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The meaning
The Lord Nechar (Eechan, SUN) who lives here in pleasnt surroundings with brightness in the city Thiruvalam, I am here to worship him, Eechan, the one who is dancing in the golden sky, please show on me mercy.
So, NECHAR is EECHAN, the SUN, the creator responsible for the 5 elements.
Please, do not follow the story attached with this city Thiruvalam near Vellore City. Thiruvalam is nothing but the Holy Banyan Tree. Thiru means Holy and Aalam is Banyan tree in tamizh. Both Sun and Banyan Tree were worshipped as Chivan in the ancient period later on changed.
SO, the name sun has been formed from the name Eesan. Sun, the star which gives light and heat during the day and around which the earth moves.. this heavenly body that is made up of BURNING GAS. Do not explode to make further planets. Enough!!!! Just Be cool…Just tell us the secret who created u. I hope u get the point.
if Thiruvalam is the circum ambulation, (valam means rotation in tamizh) then it is really, the sunrise and the sunset not the rotation of vinayaka(elephant) around his parent. According to the story, muruka was travelling all over the world to get celestial mango from his parent but it is actually the rotation of sun. Only the movement of Sun really matters. The story attached with Thiruvalam is a complete fabrication to fool the people. The hardwork of sun is important for us not murukan (rooster). The rooster cant be blamed but only murukan, the artifical god. Only science.
Ra in Tamil or albanian is similar to raatri in sanskrit. Sanskrit & tamil are pretty similar.
it is not “raatri”.. it is “iraathiri” (the first letter is vowel) “thiri” means wick “iraathiri” means the darkness that comes like twisted wick. So, the original tamizh word is “iraathiri” but spelt as “raathri” in sanskrit. There are some other words to connect
Irul…darkness
iruttu..darkness
irakkathan…devil but in sanskrit by adding the sound sh “raakshash”
Irular……the people who catch snakes. (irula tribal community)
There are more words like irathina kal(a kind of stone), irathham (blood).
As far as tamizh letters and words are concerned we do not have today the ancient records, Do not want to explain.
Yes, that’s totaly true…
Zesante tavsiye edilir…
is it orange county or orange candy? I am very much sure about the mould. Would you teach me how to make orange flavoured cake?
Thamizh is the first language in the world.
Tamil is highly refined language so it can’t be first language of world. Most of the ancient languages are pretty crude by nature.
To all those Tamizh lovers……..Do not be swayed away by the Untrue just because of your love to the language. Before you comment such unjustified and unacademic statements, make sure what you want to tell……Just because you all came across news about findings of Tamizh literatute to be old doesnt prove that the language can be moved back to imaginative times. ……Before commenting look into what the oldest Tamizh literature speaks. Directly and indirectly all these literatures, edicts and information provides innumerable facts about the existence of Sanskrit and its works.
So think before you ink. If you think I am lying, go back to the libraries and go through the content well.
Well why libraries, Read our Thirukkural well, you will know the truth…….who else can tell us better than the one who told us the moral code.
Thank you
Tamizh, I guess, you must go and revisit the history pages again. Why do you behave like a guy in the well……come out and see how vast the world is……
I certainly agree with Chelvan…..
I dont deny that Tamizh is an old language, but I clearly deny the false facts such as Tamizh is the first language, Tamizh is the oldest language.
Dont let other academics to tarnish the fame of tamizh just because of such comments.
Everyone has the freedom to share their thought and comment.but the comments must be justifiable.
God save our Tamizh Mozhi and its beauty from being tarnished by such untrue facts. Tamizh’s purity comes by its true language and not with such false facts.
God save TAMIZH MOZHI……..because of so many unacademic comments, I often find people critizing Tamizh. Let the truth triumph against all untruth.
He never went into the well on his own. He was pushed inside forcibly. Let him talk. You are cruel. Tamizh is truly honest. We know the world is vast. So, some comments justifiable for you. When you talk in hindi..you often say Accha and Acchi to accept or appreciate a thing. For example
“Acchi baath hai”…good matter it is.. What about “acchi”..the inspiration is our “Acchi” our mother in tamizh.
“Accha lagtha hai”… it is fine..what about “accha” it is our Acchan in tamizh.
“Aayi hai”………she has come(feminine) what about “Aayi” she is our mother Aayi (maariyayi)
“Aaya hai”….He has come (masculine) “Aaya” is no one but our “Ayya” or “Ayyan” (our father).
You have these both father and mother everywhere.
Paraman is Chivan (sivan) Parapatham or Paramapatham means the feet of that omnipotent power. If you shorten it and say parbat (mountain) then do you think it is fair to say that you have created it.
Parama aatuman…the God without aathi(beginning) and antham(end) Aataman in tamizh and if you say Parmaatma..you have the habit of shortening everything. There are so many words.
keep pronouncing “Selvan” as “Chelvan” always, thats the correct way..ok, we dont have “s” in tamizh dictionary but only “c”. Thats like a good boy. Dont ever argue. But, you ask me the question, without argument, i mean without churning the ocean there wont be butter, without melting the butter there wont be butter oil. I know but come here with real facts they should be justifiable to make people the hot blooded :) God would never save our language tamizh..u get that…We are now Gods, we are writing the destiny of tamizh. We are now playing the role of Chitraguptan, the assistant of Yaman (yama) Lord of Death. Tamizh should survive. Its written. :)
I appreciate your love for your mother tongue tamizh :) Caring attitude indeed :)
what moral code you are talking about …they did not care about it…sanskritists wrote “kama sutra”..you are humiliating the 5 elements and its undeniable power and the art of curing people, the Sittha (siddha) maruthuvam., the first ever, the ancient medical practice. whatever, i would go to the library to see who was the, PRAMMAN ( brahma )(the creator) and who was the Sivan (the destroyer). In my point of view, Sivan is pramman the creator as well as the destroyer, the TRINITY, the three laws or justice that would make me again to back to the ancient period and explore further. No need to go to the library. Tamizh is the creator of words, you dont accept. I am very much serious now. I dont have time now. After the invasion, our mother tamizh was murdered brutally. They snatched all of her ornaments forcibly.
Sage Thiruvalluvar was elder brother..he wrote Thirukkural 2000 years back, at that time he was very well experienced to write those couplets explaining about so many things. He had to struggle to expose those details to this world. There were enemies, they did not allow him to write his thoughts, he suffered a lot. You should understand now the situation. Before 2000 years, they built kallanai, it was not that much easy, there was a need for technical mind, preparation, planning and well equipped people with keen interest and determination. You can not make or brake anything so easily, life is about struggle. Do not blame our tamizh, She is the oldest, still surviving..later on younger brother entered with evil mind, he was against his elder brother, because the blood was different..i guess you get my point. :)
I respect Mr.Suki Sivam a lot, he is different, exactly like Subramaniya Bharathiyar…he is kind of ethiest, i appreciate his thoughts and courage in this cunning world, He is rare. Today, i heard him talk about Bhodhi Dharman and his careless attitude to express his ideas. He asks, have you ever seen God? Where is He? Have you spent your time with him? Questions to be answered. To me, Conscience and Heart both are important. Thanks a lot Suki Sivam Sir.
All are asking questions they are chasing Suki Sivam and Suki Sivam Sir says, ESCAPE :) i want to survive.
CHIVAM IS LOVE. ANBE CHIVAM. Dont be an ethiest. God has no form.
Aalayam and Kovil both are truly tamizh names for temple.
hey i understood your comment……do you mean that the younger brother is sanskrit……………………….?if so, you are absolutely right
We talk abt only language not letters. :)
u r rite, no one (non – tamils) will destroy tamil language, but u (tamils peoples) will do bcos of many many wrong propaganda of this language.
i do agree its good language / sweet language, but what has written in this blog about tamil language and so called inventions / discovery , etc etc are full of base less imagination only.
and last ”EMPTY VESSEL MAKE MORE NOISE” this is what i remember when i see this blog (some regular members)
No doubt Tamil is the oldest living language that has the most evidence. Tamil language texts can be dated back to 5500 years, whereas indo-european languages like sanscript can only be dated back to 2000 years. And, even that, there is no clear evidence.
After the invasion, there were natural calamities, tremor, hurricane, flood…you see thats why there were no evidence, do u know one fact..when u try to spoil the nature, she would be angry, thats what happend, its very very difficult to explain. Be good always :)
our mother tamizh, the poor soul.
what language?
its good products….
caring attitude :)
its better than other.. thanks…
Our tamizhan father is EECHAN (prounounced as Eesan) Eeshwar in sanskrit or in hindi. You say the name “Egypt”, who found the first letter “E”?….All He is…Eesane Ellaam….that means “All is Fire” How can anyone say the exact date and time of the beginning of this Fire? Yes, scientist can give all kinds of explanations, there was huge fire ball later on it broke into pieces one of the pieces is our planet earth etc..etc…BUT, who or what had created that “fire”?…Because of this fire, there is water, steam, evaporation, clouds, rain later on the evolution. My dear, Isuve Ellaam, you worship him in a different way, you dont have form. Eeesane Ellaam, we say in tamizh “Aathamili” means “endless”…He is endless….Aathi Antham illaathavan. He does not have the beginning as well as the end. He is our Acchan (Eechan), Appan our Father.
its not about civilisation, this blog is about oldest language..what are the letters uttered came out from the mouth. I have not studied so far the culture of Greek or Phrygian..let me study i would one day come with similarities..understood. I dont have details now. You can escape for now. I want the words ..man. Let me explore. If everything is different i wont be adamant. Keep it in mind.
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India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most astrictive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only!โ
But, india is not developing WHY? the BIG question unexplored still. :) I am now very much serious about it… Where is the money going? Be Frank. We are in need of a new political party full of young blood with good hearts with revolutionary ideas to reform the society. All of you young guys go towards the parliament and capture the seats. Enough is enough. We want progress. :) All of you the old ones go for voluntary retirement and take rest. Old is not gold. :)
white hair means WISDOM :) full of experience. They are not nagging elders :) Because of the matter of money we are frustrated. Anna is old too but he is BOLD :)
Tamil is the oldest Language in the world. Beacause the oldest Authors like Thiruvallur, kambar, kabilar, ottakkuthar are wrote their poems in TAMIL. Besides The temples in TamilNadu Shows the age of the Tamil. For Example PERUR PATTESHWARA TEMPLE IN COIMBATORE is constructed before 2000 years ago. In that temple there were various types of information about the Tamil and the kings of Tamilnadu. Not only in that Temple Various Temples Like Tanjore Brahadeeshwara temple, kanchipuram Kamatchiamman temple, Madurai Meenakshiamman temples, SriRangam Ranganathar temple in Trichy shows the details and the speciality of TAMIL LANGUAGE. And the Researches saying that the Tamil is speaking before 20,000 years ago. So I trust Tamil is the oldest language in the world
that is so true becouse every single bible in the world may it be jewish christian islamic or whatever was originally in arabic but have all been translated to make sense to the peopel who practisced the religion and so have lost some of its meaning and have been rewritten alot of times and lost more of its meaning and so on.. but the oldest language ever to be spoken is arabic, it is the language in which all others came from. it has so many words that it is uncountable and have been the most acknowleged language, and is still known and spoken today since it was so ancient
“Aram”…..”ARA”M represents VIRTUE.
“Porul”…..PORUL defines the principles of LIFE for common people as well as the
…..State.
Inbam……INBAM deals with aspects of LOVE.
The above three main points in tamizh literature “Thirukkural” clearly telling us the good morals we should follow in life. If you say “arabic” is the oldest one, then all are written in this three above given Adhikaarams (couplets) in a simple way but in ancient tamizh. ARAam, Porul, Iinbam in KURAL and you say ARABIC. I want to know the words for parents, Ammi and Abba…we say in tamizh Ammai, Ammaayi, Ammani (woman), k”uma, Amma etc. and Appa, Appan, Ayyan etc. Truth is Truth forever.
It seems there were difference of opinions, so the matter was again and again discussed, how many people lost their lives? What was the need for religion? We are all humanbeings with a little fleshy part inside called heart. We should follow it. Leave everything to the ultimate power that is destiny. Why they had been wasting their time? Almighty never wanted that it was our decision. I am thinking deeply..so let me sit and think about that “dot” which operates everything. It seems we never had will power thats why there was a need for holy books thats the way we can make ourselves sit quietly and shut our mouth. no quarrel, no commotion, no questions…continue reading. :)
Tamil is the oldest language in the world.Some saying that tamil is spoken for more than 30,000 years ago:-)..
INDEED ITS TRUE…TAMIL IS THE OLDEST LANGUAGE TO INHERIT THE EARTH. IT EMERGED WHEN THE DEMONS AND THE GODS CHURNED THE OCEAN SO CALLED [ paar kaddal in tamil ] WITH THE HELP OF SNAKE ACTING AS A ROPE. THE DEMONS AND THE GODS CHURNED THE OCEAN TO GET MANY VALUABLE THINGS. TAMIL SCRIPT WRITTEN BY THE LORD SHIVA HIMSELF WAS ONE AMONG THEM. THIS IS A TRUE STORY HAPPENED LAKHS OF YEARS BEFORE WHEN THERE WAS NO HUMAN REIGN BUT HAD DEMONS AND GODS.
yes you are right. Lord Sivan (shiva) is nothing but FIRE. You know what…this fire or heat is the main force or source that makes a person or stimulate the brains to do something. It makes all the people active. The coldness or the winter would make the people so lazy, they would be slumbering but would wake up and be active once the sun would be there. Do u get my point? I dont want how butter was made, why dont they churn the ocean now to get valuable things? forget about the past, come to the present world, everything has been changed. have you ever heard how cows are with the sound “moooo” this is where the word “amma” introduced. One another interprettation, soon after the earth was created or whatever, there was not any loud noice but only a silent sound heard slightly “om”..exactly like have you ever heard the bees humming around the beehive…to make a continuous low sound. And to tell you the truth why “tamizh” is considered the oldest one, the letter “om” written in tamizh and the inspiration is the elephant you start drawing now…ok…from its right ear, go upwards around and then the left ear make a curve and come down alongwith the trunk the tip twisted right side (the elephant is standing before you or keep a picture of it)…draw it now you get the exact shape of “om” the letter in tamizh. NOW, can you ever match this or connect this with the hindi letter “om”. This proves the incredible fact that tamizhans only found or responsible for the letter “om” that leads us all to the meditation art “YOKAM” (yoga) all the sages uttering “om” closing eyes. If you ever without consulting the facts with tamizhans then it would mean that you are also a cheater.
Why snake was acting as a rope? it is cruel. Its against law. Animal Protection Force should take action. Yes, in those days, it was not there. But, why the snake was silent? why it was asking them the question, i am your God, Snake God, you should worship me..you people are torturing me like this. The demons replied, Who cares, lets do it…we are in need of valuable things. If it ever ask you question, shoot it down. Catch some more silent snakes, Anaconda would be so silent, go to the rain forest at once..Amazon Forest. Jennifer Lopez is saying, Nooooooo. am scared. :)
snake was not asking them the question, it was in a mood of shock.
who were demons and who were gods? :) now almost everything changed because of inter-caste marriage. :)
dont be funny……….who is that some
excavation
also, as per the bible, seth is adam’s son i think.. thats why we have sethusamudram plan, so many ancient kings r named as seth.. also carbon dating dates ramar paalam lakhs yrs back… wen ancient ppl believed earth is above a row of tortoises, the thamizh word for world is gnaalam which means something suspending freely(gnaaluthal). Also wen ppl thought earth s flat, we said is andam, whose other meaning is sphere.
Chathuppu nilam in tamizh is soft land that is partly covered with water.(swamp or marsh land). Saravanan (murukan) poikai is the holy or the sacred pond or pool. Water again one of five elements. Cheru in tamizh means mud. So, Sethu Samudram (chethu samudram) would mean the the power and the union of water. Sethu here is water.
I believe that, when it comes to history, those who appear 100% confident of their belief are almost always 100% wrong. Every religion of the world claims that our earth has been wiped clean of human liife in apocalypses except few survivors and if that is really the case what is the point in locating the first civilisation and oldest language when clearly the proof can not exist. In my strong belief any historical exercise done for finding the “oldest” of anything will always be incomplete and will have a lot more impossible to find stuff. Some people honestly claim based on what appears as a proof to them (though inconclusive) and others just do so out of the preconceived/preprogrammed thought that their culture is the oldest inhabitant on this planet. In line with the above I will choose not to mention here my personal beliefe about the oldest language as I could be wrong like anyone else.
No one is forcing you to go to the ancient period. It was our duty..we did it. Thats enough. All the languages are beautiful only. But, what about the first ever person who introduced or written letters. You forget about him. Thats not fair. You forgot about “mother” and “father”…maata (maariyaata) mother, and pita (pitthar) father. Ma is our own Kanya “kuma”ri, the water, the cradle of civilisation, Pa is our pitthan our Appa, our father ie the Fire. If you ever come back to this blog, just try to keep all the details. Without these two main elements can you imagine anything possible? If you do not accept, then KANYAKUMARI wont forgive you. Got it!!!! By the way, our mother is water and our father is heat..i talk about only the nature, not our own mothers and fathers. They can play different roles in real life. :)
mother can be fire and father can be water so cool…its about their nature, we can’t blame them both..its about the situation they are in. They are portraying their roles before you they are REALISTIC, they dont go to Film Institute in Pune to get training how to act :) from that also you can confirm the fact tht their body is made of 5 elements. :) i hope you get that.
I am pretty sure that the first civilizations begun in Asia and apart from drawings, the first language written and spoken came from Sanskrit….But i’m no historian
be what you are ..leave the matter to us..dont be a historian :) no more confusion.
May the Almighty bless all the hearts full of pain of this earth. All the people should have “brightness” in their life. I wish them all good luck.
We are born to be crucified only to reach the abode of God. Be tolerant always.
TEARS.
Bye bye all of you….be cheerful always!!!!!!!
i was numb and dumb for some days, that does not mean that i would be the same. Its about time and destiny.
The lesson is,
As long as there are people ready to be suppressed and exploited, there would be dance of devils and spectators would be satans.
in this way the Almighty wants us all to believe and accept there is still and would always be the existance of EVIL.
Emaara ellorum thayaaraka irukkum pozhuthu intha ulagam emaatri konde thaan irukkum!!!!!
Snatch everything when the house is burning.
The lesson is,
As long as there are people ready to be suppressed and exploited, there would be dance of devils and spectators would be satans.
Emaara ellorum thayaaraka irukkum pozhuthu intha ulagam emaatri konde thaan irukkum!!!!!
Snatch everything when the house is burning.
very very correct.
What kind of BLACK SECRETS the present govt. of india is hiding?
Why Mrs.Sonia Gandhi is still SILENT?
What kind of “foul game” the govt. wants to play with the hearts of tamizhans?
Is it for POWER and SEAT and MORE AND MORE MONEY?
The answer is “greediness” and the matter called “money and also “LAND”.
This blog should be the last one to debate the topic “which is the oldest language? Everything is clear. We do not want to say everything in detail especially about Gods. KEEP SILENCE!!!
WHY the tamizh civilians were murdered in Ilankai (srilanka) both by the sinhala and the indian army….this question needs answer.
Can anyone blame Anna why he was struggling?
Can anyone blame why there was a movement by Gandhi to get the freedom for indians?
Why do they celebrate 15th August even today?
Why the kerala govt. is requesting the indian govt. to help the malayalis affected in gulf countries or in libya or in syria?
Why the telugu people are wanting the govt. to get the dead body of their beloved son safely from foreign country?
Why do they thank the pakistan govt. for helping the indians trapped in a ship recently?
We indians are also feeling so sad and embarrased when foreigners are treated badly in our land.
Why does not the govt. understand the topic of “tranquility” for all and “human rights”? Why it is always playing games like DIVIDE AND RULE.
If the srilanka is full of brahmins then would subramaniam swamy say they are all foreigners let the sinhalas to murder all of them? What is his opinion about Sankararaaman case? Does not he know the meaning of “Almighty”? What is his God after all?
But we do not know presently who is playing the role of GADDAFI or HOSNI MUBARAK…in INDIA….the black sheeps behind the screen or in the BASEMENT hiding
Those people who can not tolerate a comment that hurt them, and blame the foreigners should now send all their families to the refugee camp where the tamizhans are suffering. Mothers without daughters, daughters without mothers, sisters without brothers and brothers without sisters, wives without husbands…it continues, leave their property their education, their future, their life and pain. What is the responsibility of the government, is it the way the government act? If they do not know how to tackle the problems then they should have sent the message to the international human rights commisson and international court to intervene and solve the matters.
They know how to go to foreign countries to save their black money. We have so far been suffering just because our ilankai our original land was away from us all and was controlled by the sinhala people who came there as visitors now ruling the tamizhians heartlessly.
We can not get good comments full of sympathy from people who are PIMPS who want to traffic more and more tamizh innocent hearts. They fill their stomach with this sinful money. Shameless so called indians and their life and they go to temples to chant jai maata di!!!!!!
Now, cho ramaswamy, subramaniam swamy and those who talk ill of tamizhans should go to srilanka and alongwith raja pakshe they should start sucking the blood of tamizhans and quench their thirst. Tell them to book the tickets. They are restless. And also send swamis like sankaracharya to take care of innocent girls in the veda classes in srilanka. We can not get JUSTICE from india and crooked indians. They would always chase us all. no end.. LAKHS OF TAMIZHANS SACRIFICED THEIR LIFE BECAUSE OF THIS HEARTLESS GOVERNMENT WHO WANT TO ERASE THE HISTORY OF TAMIZANS IN THIS MODERN WORLD…EVEN TODAY. THINK ABOUT THE SITUATION INTHE PAST. WISDOM ATLAST!!!!!!
where there would be poverty, starvation, insecurity, death, looting, murder there would be always pimps. They would always welcome those people who torture the helpless then only they can lead a happy life. They always welcome tsunami, earthquake, natural disasters, after everything collapse, destruction, they book their tickets. They call it their “business”. This is the reality. Some of them are arrested and some of them are freely roaming aorund , those who are freed from the jail again start their business. World of sin!!!!!
these pimps also keep at home the pictures of ganesha, muruga, shiva and hanuman and also maariyamma countless man-made gods on earth… no PARTIALITY. Co-ordinated conspiracy all over india. They sit before the gods and beg for pardon, they think that their sin would get washed away. Not only men are against women…women are against women also.
women can be devi as well as devil :0
Nalla ullangal padaitha anaivarum manathil ulla veruppu, kopam, kavalai, kaneer anaithaiyum maranthu, makizhchiyaaka, nimmadiyaana vaazhkayay vaazha idhyapoorvamaana vaazhtukkalai therivithu kolkiren.
I wish all the good hearted people to remove their hatredness, anger, sadness, tears, forget everything and be happy and lead a life full of bliss. Wishes for all of you from the heart.
Ennarumai tamizh makkale, manitharkale,
“the temporary relief” is that The Madras high court today, 30th august,2011 stayed for eight weeks the execution of three Rajiv Gandhi assassination case convicts.
The comments of Cho Ramaswamy, Subramaniyam Swami given today clearly indicate they are not with the emotions of tamizhans. They want all tamizhans to die. Again and again they are proving they are traitors to harm the peaceful atmosphere of tamizhnadu and also india. These abovementioned gentlemen and their ancestors were the reason for the sad plight of tamizans today. They always use the subject “religion” to put hurdles on the path of brightness. They should not stay here in tamizhnadu. If the three persons convicted face the death by hanging then we request alongwith them Cho ramaswamy, subramaniyam swami should be sent to the gallows let them also face the same kind of fate. They dont deserve to live as humans on this earth.
These brahmins have ruled us and ruling still with cunning methods. They are against non-brahmins, christians and muslims and would continue their foul games.
Famous Tamizh actor Nagesh, a christian once told that cho ramaswamy warned him not to enter film world and he wont be able to achieve anything. We know today what our Comedian Nagesh is, sadly he is no more. The tamizh film world even now talk about him and his achievements. So, denying rights and chances to the tamizhans so talented the brahmins prove they would be as usual poisonous people and they would be always anti-tamizh, anti-christian and anti-muslim and they would not allow India a secular country.
First of all, humans should be treated as humans not muslims, hindus and christians. What is the govt. going to do with silent criminals in the society. What are they going to do with sankaracharya who murdered inside the temple sankararaman. Why this case does not end? Hang sankaracharya for doing illegal activities inside the temple. He is a murderer roaming around freely now. Hang those people who divide the people in the name of religion immediately. Stop this dirty and nasty politics. Let us all tamizhans live in our land peacefully alongwith good hearts.
Nagesh is not christian, he is a brahmin, a kannada brahmin. he married a christian lady.
I did not know this truth. if it is then it would be good for both karnataka and tamizhnadu. There should not be “enmity”. So, his wife is a christian that is what irritating some people the reason best known to them :) There are so many non-brahmin comedians too in this world, like Charlie Chaplin, Laurel and Hardy, Kader khan and Shakti Kapoor (hindi) Kaundamani and Senthil, Surli Raajan (Tamizh) there are so many without sacred thread in their body :) Mr.ABC, what do you mean by that? dont try to say again that brahmins are only the talented humanbeings on earth… OK.
Son and Daughters, grand daughters, daughter-in-law, all the girls and women from the family of the president of india Pratibha Patil should be sent to srilanka to see the rivers of tears of tamizhans of ILANKAI. They would see not the rivers of water but blood.
mazhai varuma…mazhai varuma…entru engi kondirrukkum velayil amila mazhaiyai pozhinthu kondu irukkum intha arasu irunthaal enna iranthaal enna? ellame ontru thaan.
When we are waiting for heavenly rain, the government is pouring on us rain of acid, no difference would be there whether the govt. function or do not function. Same position.
Uyirai maaythu kollamal tamizhan anaivarum irunthu varum kaalathill naam yaar enpathai kaanpika vendum.
Do not commit suicide, be alive and show in the future who is a tamizhan.
Vaazhum manitharini manadil kavalai, payathai, NERUPAI koduthu aandu kondirukkum arasukku saabam viduvathe tharpozhuthu mudiyum.
By giving pain, insecurity and encourage fire in people of tamizhnadu, the govt. is going to face the curse presently.
Ventha punnil velai paaichuvathai pola, ventha vayithil paalai ootraamal kanalai kottum araaajaka, aniyaya arase nee vaazvaai…varum kaalam unakku vaazhthu sollum.
piercing the spear into the fresh wound, the govt. is instead of pouring milk into the burning stomach, pouring burning coal, this dictator govt. should live peacefully, the coming future is going to bless them all.
Here, the TIME is noted, the present “TIME” is noted. These cunning foxes are going to be blessed forever.
Do not play with hearts of humans, religions are not mentioned here. only humans and their true emotions.
To break into the self pity; You Tamils started a war, and then lost it. Defeat in war has always had – and deserved – dire consequences. My people are (were) Biafran, we have been there, we have done that. Learn, grow wiser, and move on.
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its about our history, our identity, our culture, our tradition, our belief, our sand, our water, our sky, our nature, now we lost everything our glory. We are BORN to SUFFER. our DESTINY.
War is because when some cross their limit and humiliate and crush. The souls of our sisters, brothers, mothers, fathers, grandfathers, grandmothers, grandchildren now mingled with the sand because they wanted PEACE and DIGNITY and HUMAN RIGHTS.
Only cruel hearts can only live peacefully in this world. All are fasting and struggling not because of self-pity, but because there are “atrocities”. The world shall remember definitely the people called tamizhans and their language “TAMIZH”. They will have “TIME”.
God sent us all tamizhans to this earth to be with our OCEAN…today, they snatched our KACCHA THEEVU from us..the indian govt. sold it to srilankans,the sinhalas…we can not freely go for fishing today, the OCEAN is not ours anymore. The fishermen are also born to starve and die.
And the habit of tamizhan is even today to welcome all wholeheartedly.
When there would be war there would be definitely dire consequences, its all about destiny. The matter here is no one knows about the meaning of justice we deserve. We are suffering because of our friendly nature, we have been and still going on the path of God.
There are wars…yes because of “Gadaffis and Mubaraks”..there are dire consequences and death also. There were wars because of “Hitlers” and “Idi Amins”
Sadly, No “mariam” would help them, no “mari” would help people… no “maariamman” would help us tamizhians also. We are the creators of such Gods….Nature can only watch helplessly…. it is its “duty”.
Its not about “amusing” its about “abusing attitude” of humans that makes the hearts the broken one. The broken hearts want to pass their message, they cant do it in the society so they come here or forced to do, their circumstances and the atmosphere tells them to go..go and do it ..do it. Generally, i found all the people crazy about “domination” and “suppression”. Whether it is a matter of tamizh or tamizhan or anyone else no one wants to go deep into the matters. No amicable settlement. when humans are not treated as humans there would be war of words and broken hearts. I failed to understand in the beginning now realised wholly the matter is about “peace and security” and HUMANITY. Lord EESAN would never come to solve the matters, we humans can. HOPE.
when politicians are very much keen about looting the money and where to hide the money why would they care about sharmilas of manipuri or prabhakaran of ilankai? Their duty is to send the army. :) what for? to loot and rape.
when historical monuments are damaged you say that i am hurt, when some people tell that our history is changed and innocent people are murdered, you would ask them the question, Why? Monuments are constructed with bricks and lime and they dont have soul but human body is something else. You dont know the difference. Before writing the word Self-pity you should ask your heart what is the meaning of life and death. Buildings never bleed. There are reasons and explanations for everything.
Unwanted weeds from the society should be plucked away from the society but about the innocent plants which grows and already were in “grown up” forms and the land was their ancestor’s they were the one who used to plant the seeds which would grow and be in state of peace. Anyways, thanks for an impartial comment sankara. I hope to see more and more broken hearts in the future in india. They, the selfish politicians treat the innocent broken hearts and compare them with the serial killers and pimps and they use the media to spread their message.
A government would be a government when it would have all kinds of details about the people and their HISTORY..when the politicians do not know the history or do not want to go back and reveal the facts and want to suppress again and again and rule the country, they should be stopped from campaigning for elections. The politicians so cruel are the one who create criminals in the society…Real criminals are creating the innocent criminals in the society.
“This cycle would continue”..We can not expect sympathy from SM krishna or Nirupama Rao, our history would tell the whole world how much we suffered, our tamizh and tamizhians because of these people from the neighbouring states. They know how to use the talent and hardwork of tamizhians and stab on their back and also talk ill of them after enjoying the water and food of our tamizhland.
The world would come to know about the true face of these wolves ONLY after the land of tamizhnadu become a desert. They would continue playing with the hearts of tamizhians it seems. What about politiicians spoiling the lives of so many innocent people…they should stand before mirror to see their face and accept the truth. Are they ALL guiltless? They use their power to satisfy their desires in a nasty manner. So far they have looted india, they would look for crooked measures to loot again too. Blood sucking parasites are living peacefully. Send their daughters, wives, mothers to the same place where thousands of tamizhians were murdered, girs and women raped. I mean their darling daughters and wives and lovable mothers. History is going to keep all the records.
tamizhians had enough for being so TOLERANT. Innocent prostitute is better than the present govt full of ill hearts. She sell her body for money to live a life…but what about politicians who loot the money and life of the people of this country called india. I hate.
its very very difficult to live in this world full of satanic people. The fight would continue. There are so many colours i can see. Everyone is struggling for an “identity”.
God of first langaug , only one people speak THEY are
ALBANIAN . Every language you find to other language similar or same to other country or people similar .ONLY ONE ALBANIA LANGUAGE ,NO ONE SIMILAR ORE SAME TO OTHER PEOPLE
FACT-Any language on the world (old) you find Albanian words
FACT-Albanian people they cant develop Albanian language from all languages on world .
http://www.fwf.ac.at/de/public_relations/press/Ima
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WI1wndj_K4
http://www.fwf.ac.at/en/public_relations/press/pv200805-en.html
The group of people who rule or govern the country is called as “government”. if it is then there would be all kinds of documents authorised or would be kept legally. Nothing can go out of the room unless there is proper authorised signature. What kind of “nautanki” is going on india?
Who are the people who force or encourage or blackmail or intervene or SUPPORT the people to do corruption? How can an officer dealing the official matters do corruption? He or she can not do it ALONE. Behind the screen who are the people hiding? COME OUT and ACCEPT the TRUTH. The public is losing interest in the present government …about the present decisions taken…moving like snail… Move fast….Humans are humans not animals…they have mouth to speak, eyes to see, ears to hear….brightness for all…come on….do it…dont drag it further. Justice for all!!!!
“Nautanki” this name of northern folk art form the word has been formed from the tamizh “natuvaankam” related to parathanaatyam (bharatanaatyam), where the nattuvanaars plays the music by using heavier metal instruments. Parathanaatyam is an art form inspired from the flame of fire belong to tamizhland. Other dance forms have copied the style and adopted different movements. Some are having story telling concepts like kathakali of kerala. Kuchipudi of andhrapradesh, kathak of northern india flourished during moghul period. Fire plays an important role for creating so many dancing art forms of india.
Tamizh sitthars were using this chemical mercury for curing ailments. Mercury is used in five forms such as rasam (mercury), linkam (red sulphide of mercury), veram (mercury perchloride), pooram (mercury subchloride) and rasa-chinduram (red oxide of mercury). They are known as panchasutham.
Mercury is also used in thermometers also a slivery liquid.
In ancienct Rome also, there was a God named Mercury, the messenger of the Gods. It shows the relation between tamizhland and rome.
Now, , Oli in tamizh is sound, oLi in tamizh is light or brightness. So, Linkam is either the sound of the medical instrument of tamizh sitthar or the brightness of the fire which the instrument produced means “to lit the light” for the families who are affected because of so many ailements in the past. Chothi linkam or jyothi lingam both explains or enhancing the importance about the fire or light of this instrument to tell us about the glory of this medical symbol.
“Li” means light and “ankam” means the world or the stone. “akam in tamizh is inside…the stone which has inside the “light” .or the mortar which is made of the chemical mer”cury” to cure the ailments. Just like linkam is chemical based, thankam is also chemical or metal in tamizh…in english thankam is gold.
There are some stones, names in tamizh given below.
Kal means stone in tamizh.
Koozhankal…or koozhangal……pebble
Palinku kal or palingu kal……….marble
karunkal or karungkal…………….black stone
Paarankal or paarangal………….rock
“Palinku” means marble…”paLi” means shining or twinkling in tamizh. Here, if we spilit the name “palinku…pali+nku then we get the meaning the stone which is shining. So it proves the fact that “lin”k or ling means a stone in tamizh. Linkam or Lingam would mean one of so many kinds of stones in tamizh used for medical purposes.
senkal or sengal in tamizh is brick. The stone which is red in colour.
Inthiran (indra) this tamizh name for the power of water is also called “venthan” in ancient period. That reminds me of the seed “Fenugreek” in tamizh it is “venthayam”. It is pronounced as “methi” in hindi surely from “ventha”. If Inthiran and venthan is cool then venthayam would mean the seed that makes our body cool. “ventha” “ayam” (kaayam means body) good for reducing the heat of the body.
Perunkaayam the tamizh kitchen herb is “asafoetida” in english. Again this helps us keep the body warmer and removes acidity, so, helps the body (kaayam) gain immunity . In hindi it is “hing”…again when we say “peru”ng”aayam this word “hing” emerge….”h” used as a first letter. “Peru”.or “periya”..means in tamizh “big”…So, this herb “perunkaayam” protects the body in a great way. Works as “kaayakalpam” for the whole body eliminate toxin from the body.
inthiran, venthan, kanthan, murukan, selvan, marukan, kumaran, saravanan etc. are all names given to water or coolness in tamizh. “velan” also but it is only leaf of wood apple tree. vilvamaram. (bael tree in hindi)
venthayam tamiz name fenugreek) is pronounced as menthalu in telugu, menthya in kannda, mentulu in urdu and methika in sanskrit. similarities shown.
Inthiran (indra) this tamizh name for the power of water is also called “venthan” in ancient period. That reminds me of the seed “Fenugreek” in tamizh it is “venthayam”. It is pronounced as “methi” in hindi surely from “ventha”. If Inthiran and venthan is cool then venthayam would mean the seed that makes our body cool. “ventha” “ayam” (kaayam means body) good for reducing the heat of the body.
Perunkaayam the tamizh kitchen herb is “asafoetida” in english. Again this helps us keep the body warmer and removes acidity, so, helps the body (kaayam) gain immunity . In hindi it is “hing”…again when we say “peru”ng”aayam this word “hing” emerge….”h” used as a first letter.
Seerakam the tamizh name for cumin seed. Seer+akam means this herb used in food helps get the body immunity again by improving digestion. So, seer means maintain or regulate akam means inside…it is prounounced as “jeera” in hindi.
“Arun” or “Arunan” in tamizh means “heat”…”chalam” means water…arunachalam means both heat+water. Arunachalaeeswaran one of the names of sivan. Annamman is again “para amman” “para sakathee”…water here but represent both water and heat. “Annamalaiyaan”….thiruannamalaiyan” means the holy lord who rules the mountain (malai). Fire mountain thiruvannamalai city. There is one another mountain called “arunakiri” also.
Annan in tamizh means brother also…we call him “anna”…so now in india everywhere, you hear this name. :)
ANNA…..ANNA…ANNA…
Engum tamizh, ethilum tamizh
Angum tamizh, athilum tamizh.
Tamizh vaazhkirathu……smile :) passionately.
Corruption is not cancer but chronic disease. There is a need for permanent treatment with effective medicines. God bless!!!
There wont be spirituality when the people who call themselves spirtual gurus and snatch the money of this whole earth. gurus like sri sri ravi shankar….please “Stop” pouring oil in the burning coal. While giving comments to “times now” channel he said, ..”Anna and he with Raja” in the jail to create aversion tht too with cunning motives……why does he mention only a south indian raja….stop humiliating!!!!!there are so many in the party with corruption charges like kalmaadi, shiela dikshit and others. He is not mentioning their names is it because all of them are not tamizhans? Why he did not mention the name of Ediyurappa, karnataka cm bjp party? is it because they allow him in bangalore? Why he mention the name of only raja? It clearly shows he is against tamizhans and his desire to create tension using this present situation against tamizhians would be noted. First of all, he should give the details about the whereabouts of hundreds of ROLLS ROYS cars of Maha Guru Rajneesh. Those who chase sophisticated life would never be a spirtual guru. Are they in simple hut to preach about spirtualism…
How much money was in rajneesh’s bank account? what happend to all those monies? why ravi shankar is only pointing his finger towards tamizhan exactly like subramaniam swamy. He should stop exploiting the media of india to spread his ideas. We had enough!!!! Tamizh is still surviving in this world.
One day, each grain of rice of tamizhnadu would ask these people questions what is our fault after all? eventhough tamizhnadu is their home state they are always planning to create aversion against tamizhans. If he call himself the tamizh brahmin then like subramanya bharathiyar a tamizh brahmin poet he should be dedicated to the language tamizh..but he is not..he wont be also. Nature is watching all who are against the feelings and emotions of tamizhans. Stop playing with our hearts. They can not destroy our tamizh…. Mask would be removed one day by Almighty himself.
those who wanted agrahaarams wont ever treat a tamizhan a human. from here only, the aversion the “word” had started or introduced to the whole world. Generally, all the humans are selfish only but some are so “unique” and they create history.
All is well in india :)
“KALI KAALAM MUTHI POI VITATHU”.
Bad omen has even crossed its border.
The brother of Srilankan President, Kothapaya Rajapakeshe while giving interview recently to “Headlines Today”, made a mockery of the decision taken against srilankans by the tamizhnadu government. He said, Selvi Jayalalita is making fortune by talking issues of srilanka. We strongly condemn his trickery and foxy interview, it clearly proves that he had also played a great role in killing thousands of tamizhians in ILANKAI. He is not only the conspirator but his “whole family” is. The central Govt. would not take any steps to look into the matter as usual they are “dead bodies”. What on earth makes them all the “icy bodies” no one knows. We have to stimulate the sense of the whole world to shake the central govt…. Hard hearted humanbeings ruling india, What kind of good qualties they have in them to rule india. They should appoint 5 more External Affairs ministers to tackle the problems of the people of india. Hell!!!!! The govt. should take care of the citizens of the country the whole country, the whole region, their problems, their desire, their hope, their future… on the whole the welfare but when the govt. is inefficient and inactive about extending their helping hands towards the griefstricken… it is proved beyond doubt they are worthless and they dont deserve any rights to hold their seats.
What kind of pressure they have? Why cant they tackle the problems in small country like sri lanka? dont they pass warning message for non-tamizhian issues? If there is partiality then they dont deserve to be rulers of the country. Congress has lost its fame and name. They should think twice before putting their feet into the land of tamizhans for the next election. They are the one who create tension in the country. All the time the issue of “corruption” is mainly spoken. There are so many issues pending in india.
Will they clear “corruption” matter at the earliest and put their glance on ilankai also. Where should we go now? We tamizhians should appreciate Headlines Today TV channel for taking the matter of ilankai problem and also should appreciate their correspondent PRIYAMVATHA for going to srilanka to explore the minds of tamizhans affected because of war crimes in srilanka. This particualr channel proves they are good hearted people with good coscience. Just because of such channels..rays of hope passing in….As per the statement of priyamvata, the tamizhians there in ilankai are painful hearts still cant forget the atrocities of srilankan govt. The worst nightmare…haunting memories…They cant live a NORMAL life even now. They are helpless..they are in need of safety. Who is going to wipe away their tears? What about security?
We request the international human rights commission to take immediate action. ILANKAI IS TAMIZHS LAND. THE HISTORY WILL GIVE ALL THE DETAILS.
into the land of heartless, this girl priyamvatha, we thank her wholeheartedly…..her saving account of “good deed” increase…addition with carry over….but the torture still continues…the natural ocean between tamizh hearts separate us all. We are all called indians even now…we are included also.
Foolish tamizhan women should not pray before the symbol “om” written in hindi…dont they know the difference? “OM” the symbol should be written in tamizh atleast in tamizhnadu. Hell with idiot and illiterate women of tamizhnadu. Those priests who do not give importance to tamizh language should not enter the temples of tamizhnadu. Stop adding “shri” in temples here…Stop spreading your culture just like you did in ILANKAI…tell them to spread their language in any other parts of india. TAMIZH is our MOTHER. Our mother tamizh would die with us, a natural death. We are longing for such natural death.
We tamizhians should welcome the idea of Tamizh Director Thankarbacchan for not allowing actresses with caste title like sameera reddy, meghna naidu, meghna nayar, parvati menon, the list goes on. What the titles are going to help? Are we not the humans with same organs and abilities? I think, in future tamizhnadu would make the people tenseless. Tamizhnadu should be the first state to abolish Casteism, titles etc.etc. In tamizh non-brahmins do not care about caste titles but only the brahmins like iyer and iyengar. They should think about this issue. Stop calling yourself the BRAHMANS. Piraman or sivan in tamizh is fire. MIND THIS!!!!! you people have snatched the title of Eesan he is “Piraman” “Paraman”, ParamporuL, the one who is everywhere.
The whole of india should also follow. I guess, humans would treat the humans with humanitarian considerations in the future. All are talented, they are in need of space to exhibit their talents which are hidden. No partiality!!!!!!
“Casteism” away from india…no way!!!!!! This earth is full of sinners.
We in tamizhnadu have a village God :) his name is “sudalaimaadan” he is usually standing in a threatening position, carrying weapons (club, sword, cleaver, whip) in both hands. This idol is said to protect the villagers from the evil eyes of devils :) I believe. Some beliefs are interesting too.
Now, i find the relation between tamizh name “sudalai”maadan” and “chudail” a hindi name the meaning is witch or devil. So, the hindi people have added “c” in place of “s”.
small correction,as we tamizhians dont have soft tones so, “s” is not in our dictionary, Sudalaimaadan was “chudalaimaadan” but the prounounciation has changed. So, “chudail”(witch) has been formed from the tamizh village god “chudalai”maadan”. Another tamizh name for devil is “raakathan”, in hindi or in sanskrit they have added “raakshash” (devil). “malam” in tamizh is waste, dirt or unwanted things inside the body coming out , in hindi they say for dirt “maila”, the girls name “amala” has the same meaning dirtless. So, the root word is in tamizh “malam”. “PANDAARAM” in tamizh means the guys with shaven head, the devotees of murukan, may be their look made these hindi people to name monkey as “BANDAR” or some other ancient meaning not available today. There is a chance it was one of the names of kurangu (monkey) in ancient time. “Vaanaram” is also another name for monkey in tamizh. Vaanam means sky, so the animal which goes or swing from one tree to another tree by clutching the branches of trees. “Aram” to be explored. Since vanaram has similarities with pandaaram, may be it was in the ancient tamizh dictionary.
Do you still believe in such creation myth?!
I dont want to apply my brain to ponder over such matters but something force me to ask such questions. This earth is full of mysteries…i want to explore more and more….great ocean…only few drops i gathered so far….there is some limit for everything…boundary…i would like to cross but can not as a human. I found we are all merely puppets and i also found that i am wasting my time here in this foolish world fighting for so many issues. I like nature a lot.
i found the meaning of Poli in latin is many…we in tamizh also say for many “pala” so, the “poli” is formed from the tamizh word “pala”.
Definition of Politics: Poli in latin meaning many and tics meaning blood-sucking parasites.โ :)
โPolitics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich by promising to protect each from the other.โ :)
“Political scientists study matters concerning the allocation and transfer of power in decision making, the roles and systems of governance including governments and international organizations, political behavior and public policies. They measure the success of governance and specific policies by examining many factors, including stability, justice, material wealth, and peace.”
The abovegiven details are taken from net. But, there are good politicians too. Only they should concentrate on money matters as well as manithan (human) matters. They should not crave for money.
Varavu ettana selavu pathana….tamil proverb.
The meaning “the incoming coin is 50 paisa and the outgoing coin is 1 rupee ?
I guess the translation is correct.
So, the government should spend money for the welfare of people and unnecessary expenditure should be avoided. Do not ever talk about constructions built both past and the present. Do talk about heart the temple. DIL EK MANDIR HAI. (heart is temple itself). MANAM ORU KOVIL in tamizh, again the same meaning.
Just because of some politiicians corrupted, all are blamed.
YES!!! you are correct, just because of some rotten fishes the good fishes in the crystal clear pond (government) are spoiled. Very correct. How to make the good fishes escape? Escape would not give solution…BE THERE and REGULATE. Little bit HITLERISM can do magic. :)
who is without scam in india? :)
india is a country full of so many religions, how to tackle the problems? Respect and dignity for all is needed. When humans are inhuman, they make a human inhuman. Life is all about struggle. Idols and buildings are given importance but not the hearts which are pumping the blood. is it possible to change the minds full of immovable gods?
Ithayam or prounounced as “Idhayam” in tamizh is heart and it is “hruday” in sanskrit and “dil” in hindi…when we say “manathil”…in tamizh.. meaning inside the heart (conscience) (manam, uNarvu (feelings))..so, “Dil” the hindi word was taken from “mana”thil”.
what is the meaning of political science? What is the duty of politicians?
Brain, yes, all the politicians are shedding crocodile tears only that too for VOTES. So, what is your permanent solution? should i get the answer from your comment? I want “permanent” solution. Buddha was preaching about “ahimsa” (non-violence) and detachment towards selfish desires. But the srilankans never followed, so, my question is WHAT, WHY AND WHEN? we are in need of “kind hearts”. Politicians are so far proved they are all selfish only the “seat” attracts them a lot and the “power” as well. Brain, send me your answer positive approach. Frustration can lead to treatment also but it should be smooth and effective, no bloodshed.
thumpiya vittu vittu vaalai pidi…entraal nadaukkuma? question mark to be answered. With the grace of God…may be they find the solution.
When you have left the tail of the insect black beetle now it is very difficult to capture the insect.
The ilankai tamizhians it seems do not know this tamizh proverb.
All politicians are crying like crocodile.No one is going to help srilankan Tamils.Srilankan Tamils should take care of themselves.
Lets build a bridge between tamizhnadu and ilankai like the one we have between thangatchi madam and rameswaram. I hope it can remove the pain. I think “humanity” is the subject which all of us should explore leaving all kinds of matters like land, property, religen,caste, creed,colour etc.etc. When the matters of Love, compassion, sympathy etc. if explored i guess people would be humans and there wont be a word “violence” in the dictionary. Religious books always preach about non-violence and love.
the srilankan army is again torturing the tamizhan fishermen. They tore off the fishing nets which gives them daily food. Yesterday, this crime was committed. Again they have to buy nets worth lakhs of rupees.
The bad hearted politicians are the reason for young men and women, boys and girls to leave their all comfort to join the army to fight against atrocities. No one would give importance to the problems, the life of VIPs are given importance always but not the normal life of people who are suffering, they are always blamed. If there is no solution where to go, criminals are not born but they are made. Action is not taken, so frustration makes guys to go on wrong path “sadly”. India should feel ashamed of themselves for sending army to srilanka to kill the innocent tamizhians. Srilanka is not a country of sinhalese. It is the land of tamizhians. Instead of sending officials to settle all the matters, the problems of tamizhians, explore the minds of LTTE, they sent the army. Now, to divert the minds of all they are trying cunning methods to malign the image of tamizhians, recent shooting case involving the boy dilshan is one of the examples. What is “in” that case?
I hate india. I want to call myself a tamizhian not an indian. No one from the rest of india would ever open their heart in support of tamizhans, but they would talk the language which has strong relation with our mother tamizh. Yes!!!! we are the cheated people on earth. Selfish aryans entered into our mother land thravidam and destroyed us all.
whoever is talking ill of innocent tamizhians and hurt their emotions should send their sisters and mothers to the same place where the indian army alongwith sinhala army raped our tamizhan sisters and mothers. Souls never die.
Those sisters, daughters and mothers were the real owners of the land called ilankai now srilanka.
I WANT TO HAVE THE GOOD ANGELS BESIDE ME ALWAYS AND MY LOVABLE FATHER.
We thank US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton for visiting chennai, the capital of Tamizhnadu. Her meeting with Chief Minister Selvi Jayalalita we hope would bring happiness and hope to all the people suffering here. New jobs should be created and there would be no need for tamizhians to go out of india for jobs. We now feel that we are not neglected and the emotions of tamizhians are given importance. Once again thanks a lot for coming to chennai, and talking to the neglected hearts who have been crying for help and “special” attention for so many years passed. Again, cool breeze :)
We condemn the srilankan govt’s crooked plans of inviting the tamizhian singers for a show today. Though, singer Mano has apologised for his mistake, the other two singers girish and suchitra both not asked for pardon. When the air of srilanka is full of the mourning sound of the dead bodies of tamizhians, how can anyone from tamizhnadu go there to sing and dance. We have already experience how malayali actress Asin who is famous today in hindi film industry is because of tamizh film “ghazini” directed by tamizhian A.R.Murukadas. When this film was re-made in hindi she is now a a known personality there in hindi film industry. How can anyone forget her visit to srilanka for a hindi film shooting and her meeting with srilankan president Raja pakshe.
It proves all the people want to use tamizh and tamizhians only for name and fame and for money. No one from the neighbouring state would also express their grief about the killing of tamizhians in lanka. But they want to use the Tamizh film industry. …written by painful heart.
The dead bodies had to listen to the mourning sound of each other in ilankai because there was no one to listen to the soft moan of dead bodies. All tamizhians of ilankai have still fear in mind because of atrocities of srilankan govt. for letting them rule them. We are always left alone for being friendly with all the people. Destiny!!!! The earth is still whirling.
The tears of painful hearts would one day swallow the whole world. Who is watching the happenings on earth???
ILANKAI and KACCHATHEEVU both are tamizhians land, so the INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS ASSOCIATION should look into the matter, study our history and take action at the earliest.
The srilankans should stop luring tamizhians of india to settle all the issues amicably. We can not forget the atrocties committed so far. The scar is so fresh within. Thousands lost their lives, sacrificed their precious kith and kin for the cause of tamizh eezham. The name of Srinlaka makes us all worried thinking about the sad demise of pure and innocent hearted tamizhians. We want to know Mr.Raja Pakshe has daughters or not. What about his wife? Are they ALL cruel hearted?
No one can erase the painful journey of tamizhians in the history. Selvi Jayalalita should force the srilanka govt. to give back our land or grant all the rights the tamizhians deserve. We guess she would be always loyal to the people of tamizhnadu because they only made her stay where she is today. Her tamizh film career is the only proof which tells her dedication towards the tamizh language. We hope she would not let her mind distracted by listening to useless fellows who preach and spread religious thoughts to exploit the innocent people. We are expecting immediate action.
We WISH the visit of The US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, bring peace to all the people of india. (no community, no religion, only HUMANS)
Spread the air of LOVE if you can.
Matham, saathi, kulam, niram, pirappu ennum suzhi pattu thadaumaarum manitharukku arivai kotuthhu vazhiyai kaatuvaai maaya saka theeye, aruvame. uruvamaay eppozhuthu varuvaai?
There is no religion, caste, creed, colour, birth in this world. The people who are suffering in this whirlpool full of illusion should come out and make themselves have the true wisdom. The invisible power should show its true form…when? God proposes Man disposes. We all are still “small” before the divine form of nature.
Ilusionary world!!!! Still all are seeking God.
“aatham” illathavan avan yaar? Sivan.
The one who does not have the beginning as well as the end.
Who is he ? Sivan
Enkum niraithavane, en perumaane Sivane, perum sotheeye (jyoti) nee eppolzhuthu adankuvaai?
Allall padum manitharukku ellam oliyai kodupaaya???
When can you.. Sivan give solace to all the people who are in distress?
The answer is “ILLUSION”. “Maayai”……”MAAYA”.
He can create as well as destroy. We worship him in the form of FIRE. His name is Sivan, Eesan, Paraman, Aadavan, Aaditheeyan….thee avan….fire he is!!!!!
Who is creating illusion in india? Emotions so soft of humans should be given importance. Learned people with heart may please be requested to solve all the problems of people. Reformation in the society is needed. All are equal in this universe. All are in pursuit of peace and happiness.
Sivan is not worshipped in the fom of fire, but FIRE only is worshipped in the form of sivan.
I have seen some north indian tv channels who (which) do not want to give importance to the sad plight of tamizh people BUT these days telecasting very seriously some news about crimes committed by some people here in tamizhnadu only to damage the image of tamizhians with cunning motives. Are they all jealous? We had let you the whole of area which once upon a time we had been occupying. Are you people not satisfied even now? It is shameful to call ourselves indians full of great culture and tradition , especially we tamizhians do not want to call ourselves indians. We tamizhians are also humans only want to be humans without any problems in the future..Will anyone help us?
“To err is human”, but what about justice? The truth behind every crime should be investigated first of all and punishment should be given. Why does not the indian govt. still open its (their ) heart? Are they all cruel hearted? I think all are having a god of their own to worship. Before entering the temples all are washing their feet but i think they should wash also their heart full of dirt.
The goddess Vaishno Devi, is worshipped in north india…she is said to be a tamizhian girl who suffered a lot. Her temple is on the top of the mountain, she actually gone there to escape from a bad hearted guy as per story..she had gone into a cave to hide …and there also in the story the presence of Vishnu is added to make the brahmin god famous. It is difficult to tell or explain the whole world how we suffered because of brahmans.
people never think about religion, caste and creed when they want to torture and humiliate south indian girls. The gangs are very much united full of people belong to various religions. they are always united for want of money. I feel so worried about the illiterate and innocent girls now.
Those tamizhians who help others non-tamizhans to force tamizhan girls and women to do illegal activities should be sent to the hell, wherever injustice or criminal activities promoted the culprit should be caught and punished. We tamiznadu people want peace to prevail.
Those tamizhians who are proud about their skin colour and caste should also think about the emotions and true feelings of people who are forcibly neglected in the society. They dont deserve to call themselves the superior one. Where there is no kind heart.. there wont be love, where there is no love.. there wont be humanity…when there is no humanity there wont be discipline…when there is no disicipline, there would be crime and broken hearts…where there are broken hearts there are violence and hatredness are not we the people who are responsible for converting so many good hearts into bad hearts? ..YES WE ARE!!!!! so there is no end at all for all problems. I always had in mind an intuition there would be one day “revolution” for so many issues.
We humans are still uncivilised for keeping so many customs which are making people tenseful all the time, we are responsible for making them all the sad ones. when inside india, there are partialities and difference of opinions then why should we blame others? A truth is a truth. Temples, mosques and churches and all the religious shrines are merely buildings, even now so many hearts are full of pain hurt feelings. Why a society is always silent, it always need someone to speak against injustice why cant they do for themselves? We are welcoming all kinds of problems for keeping silence about so many sensitive issues even after 1947. Freedom is a word in dictionary…so many has to attain still.
When indians are blaming the foreigners for passing comments against india and indians, cant the indians listen to the grievances of so many painful hearts of india? First of all, we should learn to remove all the differences and partialities in india, make this country guiltless, pure, disciplined, corruptless, SECULAR…sometimes i think why should we use this word secular…why dont we treat a human a human? when we have so many religions and call ourselves the hindus, christians and muslims, sikhs, parsis, jain etc. then only the emotions erupts so…is there a possibility to treat ourselves as only humans? These names of religions are helping a bad hearted politician to exploit also….Think about it deeply……Everyone has their own ideas, let them follow. why should we intervene? but, suppression and exploitation should not be allowed at any cost.
vaishnodevi was not only hiding in the cave but also murdered the devil (villain) near the entrance of the cave as per story. I think she was like rani mangamma, a courageous woman, but sadly, it seems, in the past also tamizhian girls and women had to suffer. God is so cruel. Why did he send us all to this earth? Those who are torturing “innocent” girls and women of this universe should go to the hell.
if the govt. do not know how to tackle the situation then they should not continue and let the people with heart and good conscience to rule. Today, maoist, naxalites, cruelty towards dalits, partition of state inside, corruption, looting, communal riots, thoughts about who is the richest god of the universe? arresting and murdering of fishermen, rehabilitation of refugees, grabbing of lands, competition about torturing the public and how to terrorise them? external pressure from china, terrorism the sole job of people with religious thoughts, suicide of farmers dowry deaths, smuggling of river sand, scandal of swamis and sanyasis, narcotic drug supply from nigeria to spoil the lives, vulgar cinema posts to corrupt the minds of people etc.etc.etc. are the main topics of india, NO WAY!!!!!!!
hurting the emotions of people for “selfish aim” is completely a FOUL PLAY..thats why we are suffering even now.
All are in need of peace and safety and need “basic things” in life Roti, kapda and makaan. Food, clothes and shelter. Politicians should be selfless and find ways to make the people feel comfort and live a life full of dignity. What are we going to get with us to the graveyard? NOTHING. Why cant rich people help poor people of this universe and help them? I think so many humans are neglected in this universe.
FOOD, CLOTH AND SHELTER, the fourth and the important one is DIGNITY. It should be added. All the three basic things available and not the fourth one if it is then there is no use.
continuous digging and smuggling of river sand would one day make the earth loose its balance.
During 1984, sikhs had to face angry mob all over india, violence was the “topic” everywhere except tamizhnadu. it kept its peaceful atmosphere with discipline…. one or two incidents held because of ill-hearted people who incite. This is one of the examples to prove we still follow our saivaite policies, we are not against any people. We dont know even why no one support us when we are in trouble. “Humanity” is a word which is not still explored by people so selfish but they all worship gods seriously. When people find God in their heart should visit holy shrine.
There is no need to visit temples or holy shrines, heart itself is a holy shrine, the thing is whether you allow god IN or not is the matter to be discussed :)
News about those countries who helped srilankan govt. to kill the tamizhians make us all shocked now. We thought that china was helping srilanka but also pakistan. I find here, all are crazy about land and property and also want to be inhuman. But, still we are hopeful that all the fingers are not the same, there are good humans too in this world and also it would be very easy to make the list. Tamizhians had enough for showing friendliness.We always think that all are same, but when we come to know they are against humanity it make us all distressed and also the future full of darkness. Life would be full of struggle it seems. Not only because of aryans we suffered but also because of the heartless people, these people only give their religion the “bad name”.
nature is watching silently.
the future would be full of darkness, yes,… before that, you would reach the graveyard, dont worry, it will take time, they will plan and protest and divide, demolish, tear gas, death etc. etc. …. so now enojy life :)
let the music on baby :)
it would mean that their Lord Buddha is not sending arms and ammunition but the people who worship him. Shame on them. At the end, all are acting as if they are really god-fearing. Especially chinese, they want to occupy the surrounding areas firs of all only to reach and touch the centre.
How to caputre the centre place? the king should not aim the middle part. put his concentration on the outer regions ….Now, tamizh grandma is telling her grandchildren how to eat dosa, she tells, do not put your fingers in the middle, it will be too hot, it will burn you. So, start from the outer layer then only it will be easier for you to finish. I think this tamizh grandma has told this story to the chinese politicians thats why it seems they are sincerely following what she told them. Finally, they have taken the advise and moral from the tamizh story ancient in nature
This story or advise to grandchildren was told only how to be cautious and keep safety that too to keep our land with ourselves not to grab anyone’s land or region or country. I dont think tamizhian have so far attempted to capture anyone’s land in the past and also now planning. Only those who are greedy about land and property.
Minister Pranab Mukherjee was expressing his views that, i have doubt that pakistant govt. may send arms”…we can not judge everything based on doubtful views. OK. so be hopeful that all are not enemies and one day they would think tamizhians are also humans and from this land of tamizhnadu only everything started for them to follow a faith. Heart is a heart. Humans can burn the whole body but not the heart.
Do not forget to watch today 7th July,2011, at 10’o clock “HEADLINES TODAY”, an Indian channel going to telecast how the ILANKAI tamizhians suffered and tortured in srilanka.
Weak hearted people please do not watch.
โHeadlines Todayโ &โ Aaj Tak TV (India Today Group) will telecast โSri Lanka’s Killing Fieldsโ on 7th July (10pm) 8th July (11pm) & 9th July (10 pm).
WE HAD ENOUGHT FOR LETTING HUMANS SO CROOKED. THANK YOU ALL THE PEOPLE AND COUNTRIES WHO ARE SUPPORTING US WITH HEART FULL OF TRUE LOVE AND SYMPATHY.
There should be full stop for everything. I think i am done.
First of all, I dont think that i have the WHOLE MEDIA, especially christians, but only brahmins, because the target was here “TAMIZH” and you have already damaged our pure culture in india and now you are not ready to talk about the sad plight of tamizhians eventhough you are enjoying here in tamizhnadu, the day when i wrote your culture “kama sutra”, what kind of impact it made in sri lanka i know, you can not hide the facts that ILANKAI was the homeland of tamizhians, it was the land of SIVAN AND MURUKAN, and MEENAATCHI was worshipped in madurai city the capital of pandian king whose land was kumari kandam (lemuria) already submerged. Wherever ancient idols are found beneath sand, there was not an idol Ganesha but only sivan, parvathi and murukan, recent news is the proof for you.
can you just tell me now why dont you accept the pure and natural concepts of tamizhians and always talk ill of them. Those who gone in search of the path of “satan” which you showed them when you stepped in (india) we curse them all now, including tamizhians. Because of you only we tamizhians have been suffering and still. The whole universe should now understand the origin of tamizhians by studying the pre-historic and proto-dravidan concepts that were followed in Ilankai (srilanka) by tamizhians, The meaning of ILANKAI itself tells that “Ilan” is “young” then it is enough for me find out that Kanyakumari and Ilankai both are same as far as importance to water is concerned. Ilan and kanya would give the meaning “young” and “chast” as well. Because of you “buddha” was born and you made him enter into our land and created all commotion there. Why you people always chase tamizh? will you ever change?
You say that the money in tirupathi temple is being given to other beggar religions,……if you permit i would like to remind you that when the poor farmers of Andhrapradesh thousands in number committed suicide, no one was there to help them, they could not repay the debt taken, they could not have one time meal for survival, WHAT WAS YOUR VENKATESHWAR, VENKATAJHALAPATHI, VENKAT PERUMAL, NARAYANA, VISHNU OR BALAJI were doing?
The case was taken by “A. M. Ahmadi (Aziz Mushabber Ahmadi) former Chief Justice of India” and the members of the family those who survived got their grievance cleared and got money in Andhrapradesh court”. Mr.Ahmadi is still living in india and you can clarify the matters with him if you have doubts. His son or daughter may help you if you need the details. No one is enemy here, understood, we talk about the EXPLOITATION still, you can still continue your faith. It should be “selfless” and “charity” is always welcome, BE GOD-FEARING. Do not cheat the people in the name of hinduism showing idols, idols never ask money, you get that.
I want to know now the “whereabouts” of looted money of Ilankai (srilanka) tamizhians who lost their life?
What about their jewellery and valuables kept at home?
What about the son and daughters who lost their parents? where are they now? Do they get all comfort? Do they continue their education? Are they coming out of their nightmare? What kind of medical treatment they are getting? Who is responsible for their future full of darkness? Why dont they get their “original land” why they should be here in tamizhnadu or in any other place live a life of tragedy?
Why your “Sri Sri Ravishankar” always visit when the vultures are flying above in the sky for plucking the skin of dead bodies? He said, that “i dont advise” but we tamizhians are sure “HE DOES” always. What kind of SINISTER he is? I want to get answers for all my questions. You people are the one responsible for creating commotion around between hindus, christians and muslims also. Dont come again as DAVID MURUGAVEL or ARREN. You never talk abt the suffering tamizhians wherever they are but you laugh always seeing how the crowded place has become a FLAT LAND.
BALAJI is no one but PALAN MURUKAN,(PALAJI) i want to know also the whereabouts of the ancient idol “pala murukan” in thirupathi temple which was removed soon after partition between tamiznadu and andhrapradesh. you people hate murukan in andhra but worship here in tamizhnadu, funny!!!
A true spiritual leader wont try his best to split the minds of people…if he does then he is not a spirtual leader. A criminal is a criminal..he does not have colour, creed, religion, state, barrier etc.etc…what kind of evidance one would like to have? simple utterance of a word is enough to understand the mind full of poison. God’s grace is needed to observe. i am spellbound.
GOOD JOKE! NOT JOKE …ALSO A SINISTER.
SO, U MEAN TO SAY DRAVIDIANS FOLLOWED CHURCH ‘MANI KUNDU’? HAHAA…SO CUNNING AND SO SINISTER YOU…
IF U GET A CHANCE READ THE WIDELY PUBLISHED ‘MACHULAY’S PAPER HE SAID INDIA IS GREAT COUNTRY BY BREAKING ITS RELIGION (LIKE U’RE DOING AS A SICKULAR OR XRISTIAN)…WHICH THEY DID BY INTRODUCING ENGLISH AND DIVIDE-RULE SAYING ‘ARYAN INVASION’ …U’RE WHINING ABOUT THE ‘TWISTEDLY CREATED’ INVASION..WHEREAS U’RE BRAIN-WASHED BY THE BRITISH HISTORY OF ‘ARYAN INVASION’ …THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF INTRODUCING IT IS TO MAKE INDIA THEIR(BRITISH ) SLAVE.. WHICH THEY DID…
IT’S TOUGH TO MAKE U GUYS UNDERSTAND AS U’RE HELL-BENT AFTER CONVERSION LIKE IN MOVIES WHERE THOSE WHO INFECTED BY ZOMBIE’S TURN THEMSELF INTO ZOMBIE… HAHAHA
ENJOY MAN…. U’VE THE WHOLE MEDIA ..I MEAN XSTIAN MEDIA AND XSTIAN LADY RULING INDIA…
BTW, TALKING ABOUT TIRUPATHI MONEY.. THEY’RE GIVEN BY HINDU FOLLOWERS TO HINDU TEMPLE…AND IT’S ALSO GIVEN TO OTHER BEGGER RELIGIONS..DO U KNW IT? WHEREAS OTHER OUTSIDE RELIGIONS MONEY IS USED BY ONLY THEM..FOR LURING CONVERTING..AND PLANTING FALSSE STORIES…AHAHHAA…
ENJOY U SON OF …A GOOD MOM
5 elements are now laughing :) Open all the chambers of all temples and distribute them to all the suffering hindus atleast now MurukaVEL. No more yagnams or no more yaakams, no pollution only prayers can do magic sit and do medidate daily.
The christian lady who rule india today is not showing sympathy towards the tamizhians in ilankai so far, you know that, i want to know now “who is the BLACK SHEEP” in the party to stop her.
christian, muslim or sikh or hindu, leave the religion, the question is where is Heart???
why gods are always begging eventhough they are RICH? we guess now vishnu of kerala is going to beg eventhough he has lots of treasure in???? people are diverted to kerala now. book the tickets all of you.
I hope to cross this also. ur thamakkai
I hope to cross this also. destined.
you say “begger religions” …its in plural form, which is the another one you mean to say…say it clearly….we are all very very small before the “mother nature”.
the people who are against western countries and their culture are crazy about watching hollywood films and they are really like to wear clothes like westerners and copy their dance and mannerism. I dont really understand why people can not be friendly with other, why the matter of religion comes in always?
The one community ..brahmins are the one who would like to talk in english stylishly for selfish purposes and they would also talk against english people. They are the one who exploit tamizh for their personal gain and humiliate it and make efforts to popularise sanskrit. Tamizh never exploit anyone but sanskrit would definitely. keep it mind always. “hindusim” is according to me a religion made to loot the people exploiting their belief and sentiments. “hinduism do not know how to spoil secularism of india but the heartless people only”. By the way what is the exact meaning of “hinduism”? Even after knowing so many disciplined doctrines are we following them strictly?
start digging graves of rama and krishna. non-stop digging.
i found them all attached to their religion very much. Heartless, “tears”.
We tamizhians are not the one who made this “HINDUISM”. We do not want to know who created such terms and policies. Ours was only natural concepts purely pure. Guiltless, gentle and sinless. Those who are affected should ask the people who changed everything. Nowhere i could find the mention of Tamizh i found it has been reason for so many cultures and the credit had gone to the people who crushed our tamizh in the past. HELL WITH THEM ALL. What i write would vanish away but the truth shall remain forever. Heartless people!!!!!!
already people were under the brahmanical domination. They were only slaves…why should we blame british rule? Even now we are slaves only following brahmins and temples.
very much abusive for what? for “religion”?
There are so many temples in orissa (india), where the pandits forcibly snatching money from the devotees. They stop the devotees from going out of the temples. This is also one form of corruption. And here in this state orissa only, recently the pandits stopped some group of people from entering into the temples, they called them all the untouchables. Can anyone say a pandit who do pooja in the temple if do such shameful act can he pass our message to gods. Funny world!!!! Funny people!!!! Who is going to stop these pandits from doing this robbery…daylight robbery. This comment does not relate to any religion…its about the looting only. And these pandits are the one who introduced “dowry” also, another form of corruption which makes a guy get money from the girl forcibly for marrying him.
Minds full of insecurity..thats why i said, “religions are the reasons for creating the atmosphere unsafe”. Heart full of different faiths and opinions and no love. Constant fear because of brains full of adamant views.
There is a popular saying in Tamil ‘Veedu rendu patta, koothadikku kondattam’ which means when there is a trouble in the house your neighbour will be happy, as you will not be able to concentrate on your progress.
This above given Tamizh proverb is for the whole tamizhians who left the land ILANKAI to the srilankans(sinhalese) and the “one who made them fight with each other is well known group to all of you”. The question here is “WHO sent the Sinhalese into the land ILANKAI?
When the ORIGINAL INHABITANT of ILANKAI, the tamizhians when allowed the sinhalese into their land to settle they could not understand the facts that one day they would completely destroy their identity and true culture. The ENTIRE meaning of tamizh culture was totally changed by the Aryans(brahmins) and they by telling that King Rama an avataaram of their God Vishnu, made him enter into Tamizh land to ignite the fire against them. Clap the hands now. ” LATE REALAISATION, LETS SEE WHERE IT GOES”.
No, Sivan, no murukan and no “Ganesh”,vinayakan(cunning entrance) would save them all, but only peaceful march like the one which held yesterday in “MARINA BEACH”, chennai.
ur comment “They constructed many notable temples (i.e Kalayarkoil) Ooranis and Tanks” .
My question “FOR WHOM? :)
Construction means thravidans
Destruction means Aryans.
23 poor tamizhian fishermen had been caught on 20th june,2011 and kept in the jail by the srilankan (ilankai) govt. for unknowingly crossing the border while fishing in the natural ocean. Whether they had crossed the border or not, no proof. uncurable agonies and atrocities the fishermen are facing for so many years. Their family members are suffering. Fishing and selling is the only job they know. The Indian govt. is not taking any action. What kind of pressure they are getting from which source? if not, why they are silent about these matters? what is the solution now about the fate of these worst affected fishermen? We want permanent solution. Kind hearted people should take note of this complaint and do action at the earliest.
What would the central govt. do if sri lanka is full of punjabis, gujratis, maratis or any other people who do not speak tamizh. We even now are inviting the people belong to the party which is ruling india and putting votes for them. Suppression and domination are the two words which the cruel hearts follow still …they wont change ever. Ilankai is still shedding tears, tamizhian tears.
There are two kinds of punjabis one is a hindu punjabi and another one is sikh punjabi…so, you should know the difference. Sikhs were murdered in india also. Hinduism plays a crucial role in india. Do not forget this. When there are cruel hearts ruling india, we can not do anything.
The “drama” here is “capture the tamizhian fishermen and leave them after some days”, it has been the routine job so far as if our country ilankai is their country. We would inform the central govt. and they would take action after some months and they would announce the tamizhnadu govt. that all fishermen would be freed very soon. Can anyone take notice of all these matters and advise the indian govt. to take action? Human rights have been not given importance in india. The govt. only wants to watch the whole drama as an entertainment. No one is able to but today we guess we made the good hearted ones understand about everything. We need HELP.
before asking for help we should all pray now sitting before kanyakumari to create a great tsunami. Everything would be alright.
it is incurable agonies..you should cure the uncurable.
When the countries of this whole universe are expressing their sympathy and support for the tamizhians of Ilankai (sri lanka) who lost their lives, property and human rights, what the Central Govt. of india is doing? They are not saying a word in support for tamizhians. It seems that they only think about Tamizhnadu only during election and they are coming here only for “votes”. How selfish and greedy about power and money.
Good hearted humans like VAIKO, DIRECTOR SEEMAAN, actors like SATHIYA RAAJ, MANIVANNAN and others are meeting together to discuss about the matters of ilankai. Thanks a lot for them. We thank also the present chief minister Jayalalita for supporting Eelam Tamizhians, hope to get a good result for all efforts. Selvi Jayalalita should not listen to selfish and hard hearted humanbeings to stop her efforts for the welfare of ilankai victims.
RAJAPAKSHE IS A “CANNIBAL”. He is “EVIL HEARTED” sitting and smiling seeing how the tamizhians are burnt alive, shot dead, raped, looted and homes demolished, land grabbed and become orphans. How can he see girls and women humiliated before his eyes. He is heartless. I only heard about HITLER. I watch him with my eyes today. Rajapakshe is a dictator.
The tamizhians of ILANKAI had enough for letting those people stay in their land. They should have got lessons from the SENTINELS of Andaman island, how to protect their land.
If tamizhnadu people instead of longing for free goods offered by politicians and use their brain and closely watch the actions taken by Selvi Jayalalita then the future would be would be brightness. We guess she is brilliant enough to use her brain when people with malicious aims to approach her. By the way, is there anyone else in tamizhnadu to lead the state to the path of prosperity? why no one wish to enter politics? I think EDUCATED people of tamizhnadu instead of thinking about becoming engineers, software engineers and doctors should think about cleaning this gutter called politics, too much nasty matters, too much commotion, too much noise, too much corruption, no end…. miracle should happen to put an end to all devilish actions. INDIA IS A SECULAR COUNTRY, here all the people should be equal. No party should come here to corrupt the whole system and spoil the peaceful atmosphere. I think tamizhnadu people would one day start thinking about all issues sensitive in nature and i also request them all to stop constructing new temples. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
free goods should be given only to the poor people who are in need not to all the people. Keep this in mind My dear, Ms.Jayalalita, honouorable chief minister of tamizhnadu. Dont distribute free goods to all who can afford. dont spend the money. Save it. Give respect to money. All the people from neighbouring states are coming in and settle in tamizhnadu newly married couple because of your free goods. Beware!!!! We are near the ocean, in the future we may need money. I guess u got the point. Do u know the value of money?
Recently, a povertystricken family in tamizhnadu committed suicide, so, Chief Minister Jayalalita should now instead of spending 190 crores money for making the “srirankam temple” a religious centre and make it another “thirupathi” should now concentrate on the issues like unemployment, poverty, literacy level, safety for girls and women, non-stop entrance of bad elements from other states etc. etc. Leave all the temples ancient in nature and repair them all and make them all the tourist spots to tell this whole world about the hard work of thravidans and artistic excellence. We do not want to know who committed suicide and what is the reason in tamizhnadu.
190 crores can do magic for all the poor people. Create new jobs instead. people are struggling for food also these days. Survival is difficult. Open your eyes …you the innocent and illiterate and make yourself educated.
Catamaran (kattumaram in tamizh) (from Tamil kattu “to tie” and maram “wood, tree”) is a type of boat or ship consisting of two hulls joined by a frame. Catamarans can be sail or engine powered, These are but one log, or two, sometimes of a sort of “light Wood”.
Now, “naavu” in tamizh this ancient proto-dravidan tamil word has the meaning of ” to become soft, be soddened by boiling, rot, decay (as clothes, books, wood) the meaning given on net. So, there was a boat called “naavukattu” in the ancient time. This word is the root for making english words like “navy” “navigate” and “navigation” etc.
By telling that these words were formed from the sanskrit word “noov” or “navgath” is totally, deliberately and cunningly created rumour to cheat the whole world. The sound “ga” is added to change the nature of tamizh word formed.
It seems it is very difficult to spread the “truth” to the world to prove the antiquity of tamizh. Though todays world has gone too far as far as science is concerned, still the mysteries and roots of each and everything are lying here in tamizh. To hide all the facts only it seems non-stop efforts had been taken by the people who invaded our “sind region”. Can anyone tell me now when is this whole earth going to be destroyed? I hate “CUNNINGNESS” of this sort.
SINGAM is a tamizh name for the animal LION. To say that this singam is a sanskrit name then it is purely misunderstanding. Ajay Devgan (hindi actor) and director (rohit shetty) of the present hindi film “singam” (tamizh film singam re-made in hindi)…should understand the fact that the title SINGAM is purely TAMIZH.
“SINKAM” is the right tamizh name for animal Lion not SINGAM. We do not have strong tones in tamizh.
we are all going to sink oneday into the ocean. Be ready :) Titanic no-2. The rest of the world would make a film called the submerged land “tamizhnadu”..God forbid!!!!!
Sinkam in ancient tamizh was “seerum ankam” means the body which leaps forward with anger (to attack) May be the true meaning is now lost and we have only sinkam, the sanskritist should tell now the meaning of “singam”. They should be guilty conscious for taking most of all the words from tamizh and the north indians are made to think that sanskrit is the oldest one.
ICE CAVES exposed in China. Latest news with photos. I think Sivan has shifted his place now :) My goodness!!!! LINKAM is a purely thravadian (dravidian) medical instrument used by sitthars of tamizhnadu people. Sittha (siddha) medical practice is so far the ANCIENT medical practice of this universe. People with supersticious belief…Oh!!! nooooo… PLEASE SAVE US ALL from this WORLD, you all the 5 elements :)
Even after 500 years, the people of india would be the same. The formation of ice inside caves are entirely science related. The people of india following sincerely such natural phenomenon would never come to know about the 5 elements which are causing such miracles. Hot springs emerging from outer surface of land full of ice only indicating that the “core” of this earth is boiling. Just believe there is a supernatural power that operates everything and dont waste your money for selfish people. Make them all work hard and earn. You people are encouraging them by visiting temples. As i said earlier, all the important hindu temples full of marvellous architecture should be treated as “tourist spot” Dont make them the place for minting money. “devotion” is must for all, but “home” itself is a temple. The richest temple of this universe is “tirupati” in andhrapradesh, but here only, farmers committed suicide many years before. What is their Lord Balaji (vishnu)doing for the poor people there? Understand this. I am tired :)
truth is a truth forever, but people are very much attached to their religion and they are crazy about it. They dont want themselves to be called a human. crazy!!!!!
THE “GREAT TRUTH”…there is no need for a “bodhi Tree” to attain wisdom. When there is heart full of love and sympathy there is no need for religion to help the people in need. Did God tell us to make religons.never!!!! We made our gurus and made new religions. I wonder there is no religion called Saibabaism even now.
we have been so far writing about tamizh culture, the antiquity of tamizh, we today, would like to tell about a punjabi gentleman hindi film actor Vivek Oberoi for his helping and generous contribution towards the tsunami victims of tamizhnadu, 2004. Tamizhians should once again thank him for his noble job. We never forget good humans. Only good morals makes the kids good citizens.
He is a good punjabi. We are grateful always.
LANGUAGES IS VOINTHIOHBFBSD,BVDUSH
LANGUAGE IS VERY IMPORTANT IN THE WORLD
YES!!! MOTHER TAMIZH is our SOUL. She is our “FIRST MOTHER”.
I think she was crazy about tamizh :) hihihihi
There is no temple as great as mother!!!!
One is our real mother and another one is our mother TAMIZH so sacred!!!!!
because from here only “the language” we lost everything our glorious past. Sad stories.
Tamilnadu Tamizharkuriyadhu !
First of all, make sure that all the INNOCENT and ILLITERATE girls and women both in villages and cities are safe. Not only tamizhians but also people of all the communities. Make this city safe for ALL. In our home land we are in need of SELF-RESPECT. Make also sure that grabbing our land is not going to happen. BE ALERT.
Haunted memories of the past are HAUNTING :) I said “BE ALERT” 24/7.
Tamizhnadu tamizharkuriyathu thaan!!!!!, but, we have the habit of letting all the people stay here, this is because of our friendly nature. But, they have so far exploited this nature of ours and spread their culture which i can say has taken away the pure culture and tradition of tamizh girls and women. As far as mobile phones are concerned, they should be used to communicate with parents, relatives and reliable friends. Ban on mobiles in schools and colleges would bring serenity to the students. Why do they want to keep mobiles when they are studying in the class rooms? Only when they are out of the college and goes to homes, they should think abt using mobiles. In case of emergency, they can contact the people in need from the authorised school landline or mobile booth. They should inform their parents about their mobile nos. and let their number in the neighbour reliable again, it will help them all in times of real need. Mobiles will distract their minds away from their studies and also make them be with unnecessary calls and relations. Its a matter of “security”. The girls and women should not invite the problems and be victims of exploitation. But, the way of searching mobiles should be in a decent manner. women police can do their job. Teenage years are the one to be watched carefully. Effective rules may help all the students as well as parents.
IC. :) God should decide about that.
My intution only tells me that “MANI” is still rain water though the original meaning has been changed and “temple bells” are called “mani koondu” even in churches, the place where the “bells” are fixed, we say only “mani koondu” in tamizh. It is written that Tamizh sitthars are the first one to find out “rasa mani” and “mercuri” “paatha rasam” in tamizh. Just like “mermaid” and the flower “marigold” the word “mer” is used to denote the auspeciousness of any thing or the body part. The exact ancient meaning i can realise which i can not infact dont want to explain. “mercuri” or the “paatha rasam” is important for maintaing the population. The ancient people are not with us to tell the secrets of the words formed. Though water has been given importance and it is the most powerful, but HEAT is very very important for formation or germination, That why i am sure about MAN. Sivan, the fire the colour of it the red colour, the man came first that too from water i guess, only when i wake up my inner most power which is sleeping now, i can not tell it with confirmation. Again i am going to leave you all. I may come again to explore the past. I wish. Be happy and be informative all of you.
“koondu” (manikoondu) the clock house, or where the bell is fixed in church or temple is also called in hindi as “ghanta” ghar. The sound “gha” added. “koondu” also means in tamizh cage where the birds are kept as pets.
Rain water ie.MANI is also very very important for life so that cultivation and harvesting can continue and also farmers can also live happily, so we all bless you “mani”… :)
when we are explaining the relationship the religions have with each other, why do people come to push again the topic of religion. That means, the three major religions are the reason for creating tension. The aryans have cunningly destroyed the nature worship thats why we people are suffering. Bloodshed everywhere.
mathankal manathai pirithu vitta piraku manithan manithanaaka irukka maataan.
When religions have divided the hearts of people how can anyone expect human be a human.
Before talking to a person we always want to know which religion he belongs to, we do not care about what he is or she is.
before religions introduced into this world, there were humans with 2 eyes, 1 nose and 1 mouth, when they started conversing with each other, there were commotion and there were bloodshed and new religions came into existance. :)
To clear confusions …Pls see the documentary film “The Journey Of the Man”.
Regards,
Ashwin
Thanks for being with us. I thought i was alone.Thanks a lot SCIENCE BLOG for making us all the informative. I should come back …i WISH…..I need now the blessings of all the Holy Angels of this earth. My tamizh which brought me here. I am happy. I go away from here to meet my waterfall this time hope so. I am coming my KUMA…you are always the charming and ever-lasting natural beauty!!!!!!
while all the humans around were enjoying the restless waves my mind was thinking about the chaste lady “kanyakumari” and i was spellbound for sometime. The waves had been coming and going and i was watching silently the whitish waves and the colourful sand, brown and pink coloured and the people most of them to me innocent and clueless still and mindless.
My dear KUMA’ ri…kanyakumari, no one is even now accept the fact that you are the creator of this human race. i am frustrated. :( but i am with you always KUMA. :)
I am sure about MAN. But i was exploring MANIKANTAAN, the exact meaning of this name of sivan, which has deep meaning which makes the theory of evolution. Without this MANI how can a woman be a mother? My mind would be thoughtful.
The “rain drop” is the inspiration for making “mani” bells in temple, in ancient time, “mani” (rain water) was considered the auspicious one because of its value to the whole humanity. The shape of bells tells us that we should protect the rain drops.
Sivan is responsible for creating the rain, thats why he is “aatham illathavan”, the one who does not have beginning and end. Unless we have “heat” how can we have “vapour”?
Aavathum avanaale, azhivathum avanaale.
He is the creator as well as the destroyer.
We the people have also sixth sense, given by that invisible force, but we do not use that sense even now.
there is a destination which would show the reality, but if they want to go straight…what can we do? there are so many lanes in between they dont want to take the turn. leave them all. Dont force them OK. :)
instead of saying panikudam we should say manikudam which is very very important for a foetus to survive in mother’s womb. Yes!!! manikudam is water vessel too.
I could not watch “the journey of man” but i am sure about the glory of all the men of this world. Thats why the bird “cock” a male bird is given importance not the “hen”. :) . The bird “cock” is given by the Almighty the talent to wake up the whole world in the past. But, sadly, today we do not have the opportunity to hear its sound… because we are in flats and apartments, we are not able to see this bird near us. :) Anyways, the fact that the “MAN” came into this world to rule, yes!!!! the male monkey came from the ocean to the land to rule this whole world. “Kurankan” (male monkey) came first later on “kuranki” (female monkey). Today, men are ruling the world, but time will come we women would also rule this world, we need support from you all men :) We are not simply the “home makers” we can make everything, by the way to remind you all, the almighty has given us the talent to create humans. We can bear all burdens. We are strong hearted. We came from the ocean very slowly like a tortoise but we can win, men are rabbits.
Thandapani is the name given to Lord murukan (cock), thandapani in ancient tamizh is “cool water” again and the same word is used in hindi also for cool water, they say “thanda paani”. ” thand” means in hindi “cool”(shivering) the tamizh word is used.
Thanikachalam another name of murukan here “thani” means coolness and “chalam” means also “coolness”. “Kukan (gugan) the name also has the same meaning of “cool water”.
Supiramani (subramani) another name has “mani” in it, means the importance of rainwater….all these revolves around water and “kathirkaamam and “kathirvel” names of murukan tell us that “kathir” or “kathiravan” the rays of sun. So, soon after the sun rise in the east, this bird make us all wake up. This bird has been given importance in tamizh literature and today no one knows actually they are worshipping only the bird cock in the name of murukan but with artificial human face drawn.
HELL WITH ALL THE STORIES ATTACHED WITH LORD MURUKAN on net. I am fed up. The original meaning of kuravan and kurathi(both cock and hen) both marine birds and this kuravan or kumaran(cock) is the bird which was the reason for the ancient tamizhians to follow discipline in the early morning. Velavan, velaayutham are also the names of murukan (rooster or cock) vel is the spear and velaayutham here “aayutham” means the weapon, these names are given to the bird murunkan (murugan, the cock). Since he is called “velavan” his wife ie, “hen” also called as “velli” later on changed as “valli”. Velavan and Velli (Valli) both Rooster and Hen.
The ancient meaning of “theivaanai” must have been in english “the order of the Almighty” or the “discipline” theivam in tamizh means god “aanai” means “order”. The aryans mistook the entire meaning and called “deivaanai” or “devasena” or “deivaani” and since we call elephant “yaanai” they introduced this animal as the eldest brother of sivan (fire) and also shamelessly introducing her as the second wife of murukan only to humiliate and show their mighty entrance in order to suppress the thravidan culture and spread this wrong cunning message to whole india and today all worship “kan”nesan” (ganesh) or “theivanaayakan”(deivanaayagam) “vinayaka” the elephant god, mainly this elephant god is considered a brahmin god, it seems brahmins never wanted to adopt the worship of murukan but they worship now but in reality acting because tamizhians are adamant about worshipping murukan. Aim is to mint MONEY.
Thanthai Periyaar opposed the worship of “ganesha” and humiliated the idol also. Remember this. I dont know now whether to laugh or be vexed, mixture of emotions :) :( SO, finally, i would like to conclude that the NATURE WORSHIP of thravidian had been cunningly, forcibly by trespassing into the thravidian region devasted by the aryans (brahmins).
Elephant is indeed a might elephant and it is called “kannesan” kan+eesan also. We call the tooth of elephant “thantham” in tamizh, so the word “dent” had been formed from “thantham” and so the “trident” letter is formed in ancient time. May be the indirect or hidden meaning behind the whole “kanthan chacti kavacham” means to protect the teeth, it not all the disease would enter into the body. Kavacham means the weapon or armour to protect. chachti was “chakathee”, “thee” here is fire in tamizh. “chakathee” would mean “HOLY FIRE”.
Sorry, there was a mistake, “ganesh” is the elder son of sivan and “theivayaanai”(devasena) is the second wife of murukan.(first wife valli is shedding tears, cruelty against women starts ) Confusion cleared now. Brahmins are giving HEAD ACHE. When the word “trident” was formed “thantham” tooth of elephant comes and there aryans entered and introduction of “elephant God” happend :) And all these days, these Gods have been watching the tamzhians die for worshipping them sincerely. :) Victory for Lord Vishnu :)
I am tired of explaining the relationship of “thantham” (tusk of elephant) with “trident” which helps one to keep his teeth strong. (aalum velum palluku urudi). May God please send me to the place where all the souls are resting.
The worship of sun, and then the discipline, brushing teeth, bathing….but what do we have today? thousands of temples…most of them looting centers..a business, people are employed and the innocent hearts are trapped….manithan maari vittan….human has changed a LOT. Almighty gives problems to all the people…or should we say that humans are giving all kinds of problems? The question wont get a suitable answer? Why and for what? Even after having so many holiest temples in south india, people are even now calling themselves the god-fearing…they leave the home torturing the innocent and guiltess minds of people and make them shed tears…and they call themselves “i am relgious” and i am “God-fearing”.
Is there any need for “regards”….funny :)
the tusk of elephant is “thantham” in tamizh..say it clearly. First of all “dentist” should be given importance because all the disease starts from teeth. :) and juice of vilvam fruit is good for stomach ailments. The “stomach” is the next one which creates all kinds of ailments. So, grow more and more trees of vilvam, banyan for the welfare of the whole humanity. :) I hope all the medical based trees would be given importance in the history of tamizhnadu and the facts should be stored in cds and they should all be kept in a secret place for the coming generation away from all the selfish people. Technology has improved thank God!!!!
But, the elephant God ganesha it seems would dominate as usual always with bulky belly to tell the dravidans that they should keep on passing the sweets, fruits and vegetables to make him satisfied. NON-STOP SUPPLY. God made aryans(piramans) for dravidans. There wont be full stop for idols ganesha but elephant population is to be noted in india. Who cares!!!!
Recent raid in the house of malayalam actors found priceless elephant tusks kept safely and they worship elephant god ganesha…funny!!!! They kill the god and worship him too. :)
I mean “trident” is still explaining about the fact that both banyan tree stem and wood apple tree (vilvam in tamizh) both are doing magic for the whole body especially the teeth…but if you ever come up with “accident and impudent” such words with “dent” and ask me the question..then i wont give you the answer. because they had been formed later on they dont have relation with TRIDENT..understood. I said, aryans had to do some business to earn money, so they had to change the meaning, their sole aim was to make the brains numb…ok. i think you got my point…good …keep it up!!!!
I want to watch the documentary film of “The journey of thravidan” (tamizhian’s seriously ) since aryan invasion. :)
First of all, we indians should make the list of people who are torturing the people belong to backward caste, dalit etc etc. Because of these crooked indians who torture the fellow humanbeings in the name of caste, …all the innocent and guiltless are humiliated and because of this also crimes are being committed here and there. The government may look into the matter and remove the “casteism” from the society that would make all the people be happy. Why should we innocent suffer because of crooked brahmins who were the real creators of such customs in the society?
The :”real fact” is that brahmins are not affected and they are respected for what they have done but the one who follows their cunning customs all non-brahmins. I do not support those tamizhians who misbehave with dalits and deny the rights they deserve in the society just like any other humanbeing. These selfish tamizhians should be arrested at once wherever they are and teach them all how to be human and make them all grant the basic faciliities to the dalits of tamizhnadu. Brightness should come into the life of dalits, they should all be happy and fearless in the society.
oru puram idayam erinthu kondu irukkum pozhuthu koyilukkul theepam kaatapadukirathu,
When there are painful hearts burning, temples are showing the holy fire lit to get the blessing so sacred.
There is no need for holy shrines when hearts are crying for help.
Actress Hema Malini is feeling happy about the court order banning “Jallikattu” game in tamizhnadu, the order passed tells that the animal bulls are being tortured in spain also we see the same kind of game played even today. Whatever, i have not explored the game, but will the actress help banning the “CASTEISM” in the society which create tension daily. She should using her popularity. Humans are suffering also.
who cares???
by the way why do we indian govrnment keep on holding different titles to neglect humanbeings. Who are responsible for creating such titles? Why cant they abolish such foolish ideas and customs imposed by the people so selfish during veda period? What kind of nonsense country we are in? People who give importance to gods and holy rivers of india, dont they think about abolishing titles which are giving untold miseries to the people? I think generally humans are heartless and they are said to be god-fearing..I think all the people together voice their opinion and make reformation in the society. Someone should come forward to represent all kinds of problems and do their service selflessly. The whole india is responsible for creating tension among people for following foolish doctrines. Everyone is in need of “care” and “attention” in india.
hindus are worshipping “meenamma” infact she is water and having the symbol “meen” ie fish…but most of all the hindus eat fish, they also eat the meat of cock said to be the symbol in the flag (imaginary). Hindus consider cows so sacred but they also eat meat cows and even squirrel sometimes. Pigs are “varaaaha Avataaram” in hinduism but people eat the meat of pigs also. They respect the bird “crows” but some people eat its meat also. Crab is a symbol in hinduism zodiac calender but they have the soup and fry of crabs also. Snake is worshipped in india but in the world people have soup of snakes also, no hindus protest…funny!!!! Buddists are against non-violence but they also eat non-veg foods, kill thousands in Ilankai (sri lanka) they want to see bloodshed grabbing someone’s land. I have seen people belong to jain community smoke also, but they say they are following good habits. All the religions are talking about love and care but we fight with each other. At the end, none of us follow the holy books but call ourselves “god-fearing”. The one who wanted themselves separate the brahmins say they are religious but they are the one who had created aversion against humans in the past still continuing…. funny!!!!! :) ultimately 60% people are only acting as if they are very much religious.
there are so many tales of journeys of people of india still unexplored. If the people call themselves always the superior one think with heart…they can reform the society. We do not still have idea about what “unity” is…even small insects called honey bees are so united living doing hardwork…they dont have caste and creed.
The journey of the man…where it goes???
SIVAM if it gives the meaning the “sivantha marAM” in tamizh … a “red tree” that is banyan tree its trunk basically, then sivam is a shortened name for Eesan. So, whoever uttered this word “OM” got the bliss under this tree. So, the art of meditation had been started mainly because or after seeing the wrath of nature to make the 5 elements cool down. Hundreds of years of practice to find this fantastic art form, “YOKAM” (yoga) mental power had been applied. Later on the medical practice “sittham” (siddha) was found. Maariyatha…here “aatha” means “amma” (mother) in tamizh. Maariyappan here “appan” means “father”. These two Gods have no children…the only son man-made is “kumaran” Lord Murugan..the bird cock as per imagination….so the question here is who came first the “hen”(kumaari) or the “cock”? I need time to ponder over these matters. This very earth is very very fascinating. Who came first the male or the female? :)
God created Man ( male) first and then the female ( woman) and called them “MAN” …. / HUMAN
HUMAN here, “HUMA” clears the doubt that it is only “KUMA”RI that is water. She “kuma” is everywhere, “MARI” means rain water in tamizh later on “MANI” (mazhai neer) the word was used to denote the rain water also. so MANITHAN in tamizh “MAN” or HUMAN would also explain that he belongs to water. ‘KUMA”RI” is responsible for most of the creations on the earth, BUT, there are some creations created without water also, only with the help of HEAT. These creations do not need water for evolution. But, man and woman both came from water only, this is proved by naming the animal monkey in tamizh as “ku”ranku (kurangu). “ku” is water here.
WHO CAME FIRST, THE MAN OR THE WOMAN?
This above question only makes me think about this very nature of this earth, the Supreme God and other spirtual matters. Very very confusing at the same time very very interesting too. we have so many artificial man-made idols, but what is the exact form of God? Five elements are given importance but who created these 5 elements? WHO IS IT? Tamizh sithars knew exactly the nature of this earth and evolution. i would like to meet a true “Sithar” in future. May be in “chathurakiri” a mountain near madurai or in “thiruvannamalai” the fire mountain the oldest one as per sithars, a piece of lava from the volcano later on cooled down to form this mountain.
I will keep in mind what you have written, i need time also.
I will come back. I am going on holidays. Please allow me my well wishers all of you :) As if all are watching…you the “loosu” (fool) :)
i think i am the only tamizhatchi fighting for the rights of tamizh, no one cares!!!! why should i care? but it will take time to shift my focus it seems!!! May God bless me at the earliest to have diversion!!!!
UMAYAAL is the name given to the wife of sivan (fire) in tamizh… so, the word “woman” was formed from k “uma”. She should be good omen for all of us. But, sometimes, she is coming in the form of bad omen. Sinners are responsible.
“UMPARA” is the tamizh name for uma (parvati, water goddess) and para (eesan, the one who is everywhere, his rule basically), i have seen this name UMPARA in muslim culture also and all over the world. Maanikavaasakar while praising Eesan, call him by the names, empiraan, sempiran, kumparar and umpara also. So, this “umpara” the pure tamizh name is everywhere. Imraan this muslim boy’s name would also mean then, “Uma” and “Aran”(the protector, kuma”ran”) umaran…but spelt as “imraan”.
Not only sinners are responsible, heavy machines are also digging her up, so there is no way, she would have to keep everything in order. Stop constructing flats and apartments, huge buildings, what for? all of you go into the forest and be in huts with cool shade. Banyan tree is very very important for health and safety. We can hold the roots when there would be danger…Forget everything but not the banyan tree …this tree is inface “SIVAN” i means “CHIVAN”…we in tamizh do not have the letter “S”..but only “C”…i hope u got the point. “CHIVAPPU” in tamizh is “RED COLOUR”…ie., FIRE.
Why God created man and woman? the big question now to be answered. :)
KUMARI KANDAM (LEMURIA) is also under the ocean. Its very difficult to make people believe. We lost everything.
The Earth’s crust is split into sections called “plates”. They move slowly. Some times when the plates slide or shift, their movements result in Earthquakes, volcanoes and Tsunamis. This Earth, one of 5 elements. When “Mother Nature” is spoiled and disturbed, she would show her anger …thats why we are facing tsunami. Greenery is the the “Must”.
I fully agree with your points, may be in future ” lemuria” may emerge from the deep ocean as in the case ” How Himalaya uplifted ? Let me give you some positional displacement of earth plates. The Himalayas are among the youngest mountain ranges on the planet and consist mostly of uplifted sedimentary and metamorphic rock once it called as Tethys Ocean. According to the modern theory of plate tectonics, their formation is a result of a continental collision or convergent boundary between the Indo-Australian Plate and the Eurasian Plate. This is referred to as a fold mountain.
The collision began in the Upper Cretaceous period about 70 million years ago, when the north-moving Indo-Australian Plate, moving at about 15 cm per year, collided with the Eurasian Plate. About 50 million years ago, this fast moving Indo-Australian plate had completely closed the Tethys Ocean, the existence of which has been determined by sedimentary rocks settled on the ocean floor, and the volcanoes that fringed its edges.
During the geological time, due to various plates movement, which uplifted (Ex: take a piece of paper hold top and bottom portion of the paper then give pressure slowly from the bottom while holding the other end, what happens? Top most paper portion gets lifted slowly) the present Himalayan (Tethys ocean) due to submerged lands mass in the southern portion of the present peninsular india. Only the remnant like Srilanka is visible.
yes it is true…only natural calamities have made all the changes, a powerful earthquake in the sind region only was the reason for the Lemuria to go deep into the ocean, as we get the information on net that this sind was facing frequent earthquakes. I think we have lost everything, the ancient culture, the ancient tamizh words, the literature their reputed tradition most ancient than what we have today. The treasure of knowledge, the original tamizh words, for example in srilanka the tamizhians use “NULAMPU” for mosquito but we say “kosu” today, i think gentlemen from foreign countries are the reason for changing the original words they had created new dicitonary for tamizh language. If you explore the name “nulampu” again you are getting the “ampu” the arrow like tongue(?) which the mosquito uses to bite us all just like snake “pa”ampu”. I feel so sorry now to know that so many tamizhians are killed in srilanka, the remaining ones are the one who can give us all kinds of original tamizh words. I think tamizhians are the most cheated humanbeings on earth, the Almighty who created them all with innocence, why was it watching all kinds of games and still watching. I think srilankan tamizhians have with them the most beautiful tamizh words than us because it was very near to lemuria continent, the panidyan kingdom. .
I very well know that the libraries mainly tamizh libraries qin ILANKAI (sri lanka) which contained so many ancient tamizh literary works as well as books which had the secrets of the past had been destroyed by the sinhalese, i read that those libraries had been burnt by them. So, we had lost all the secrets about the past, the culture so pure which the tamizhians had been following mainly NATURE WORSHIP. I realise now how much people are greedy about occupying the land and torturing them and making them all homeless and supportless and also orphans in our own land. The sinhalese had destroyed the Red Cross noble services also to make these tamizhians suffer, medicines and food had not been suppled to them. And the sinhalese call themselves buddists, SHAMEFUL ACT. Before buddism entered ILANKAI, the worship of sivan was prevailing there and it was one of the ancient way of worshipping that too NATURE RELATED..Flowers had been used while worshipping but not “money” and “jewels”…..TRIDENT tell us the truth that it is “dental” related and this TRIDENT is purely a tamizhian concept and this weapon is purely MEDICAL RELATED, later on changed for selfish purposes to mint money. Eventhough the whole of india is worshipping sivan and trident is considered as a divine weapon, they dont know actually the EXACT meaning of this TRIDENT, that is THIRISOOLAM in Tamizh. The meaning is in our “tamizh proverb” which is already written.
Both THIRISOOLAM (TRIDENT) and LINKAM are medical based symbols, the exact meaning changed by the aryans. So, they are responsible for mixing poison in our pure nature related Tamizh culture. They are responsible for spoiling this whole world by telling matters of vulgarity. Trident actually tell us to kill the dieases not any one.
“Kantha Sasti Kavcham”, a tamizh book full of verses praising Lord Murukan give us the following names of “vel” the spear. These verses tell us how to cure ourselves by using the leaf of vilva maram.(leaves of wood apple tree (the meaning indirectly explained). Murukan is not the son of sivan. It is the bird cock which wake up all of us, matter of discipline.
NALVEL
PERUVEL
MUNAIVEL
CHEVVEL
KATHIRVEL
INIYAVEL
VATIVEL
THIRUVEL
ARULVEL
PARUVEL
AYILVEL
VALVEL
These above “VELS” ie, the leaf of the tree of “vilva maram” wood apple tree is given the form of a SPEAR to ward off all the dreadful ailements. So, TRISOOLAM and VEL both are TRIDENT and SPEAR to kill the ailments.
Those who are destroying the tamizh libraries really want the whole “tamizh concept” go away from this world, because they do not want us to compare the relation between tamizh and other rich cultures of this world. I really know the people who want again the “VEDA CULTURE” in india. In the name of “yoga” and “spirtual gathering” these people not only cheat the indians but also the foreigners. Only the affected one can identify and understand the trouble makers. No one can ever. Did i write before about “God outside Satan inside”? My intuition never fails. One who follows “yoka kalai” (yoga) always be in a “controlled state of mind” to reform the society and some are very very “silent killers” with smile on face always but so crooked. Some “yogis” of india are “babbler birds” without true knowledge and information, they are TRULY innocent wrongly guided and exploited. There are so many “shocking news” coming in. How cruel humans are “lets watch the game”.
In “kantha chachti kavacham” the dried powder of vilvam leaves is written as “poothee”, (thiruneeru, the holy water, the powder mixed with water to be applied all over the body) it is clear that under this banyan tree, they used to burn these leaves and they applied the “vippoothi” truly tamizh word, the medicated dried vilvam leaves burnt and powder was used to ward off skin dieases and almost helped them like “ancient soap” before taking bath. “the lyrics like “ThaNaleri. ThaNaleri” means the huge flame of fire lit before them that helped them to make all the poisonous creatures run away like centipede, spiders, snakes etc. So, “FIRE” is “SIVAN” here. The “VEL” is also mentioned as a weapon to make all the dangerous creatures and ailments vanish away.
KURAMAKAL in the book is none other but the HEN and KURAMAKAN is the bird “COCK” or “ROOSTER”. To say that Lord murukan married a gypsy (kurathi or kuramakal) is created or imaginery story. His first wife is Valli as per tamizh mythology, here the domination of aryans started, the second wife “devasena” was introduced later on to make all the indians believe that “kurathi” or “valli” the first wife is a gypsy girl only to humiliate the thravidans (tamizhians). Here, “hatredness” plays a crucial role to divide the people aryans and thravidans, they only created all kinds of “aversion” against tamizhians by writing and telling countless stories with cunningness.
When i find out the “ancient tamizh meaning nature related” by the grace of the Almighty, the so called brahmins come and say that i am mad. Baba Ramdev recently said for a hindi channel, that “east india company has looted us so far, so i would set my business there in western countries” (indirect meaning given by babbler bird)….the coin has two sides, let it happen ” :)
not only in ilankai (srilanka) but also soon after aryans invasion, ancient tamizh literary works were destroyed only to suppress its glory. They had added all strong tones to tamizh and claimed their language was the ancient one, because of internet i came to know about so many things so illegal, i feel sad i could not study tamizh literature, otherwise i would have explored a lot to expose them a lot.
I am tired of using PEPSODENT toothpaste …someone please come up with “TRIDENT”…i want a change. :)
ancient people were all innocent but had to change after the invasion of aryans. sad truth!!!
the only way to create confusion and commotion is, how to introduce customs and doctrines that would make all greedy. So, after thinking deeply only, everything had been imposed. Just like they thought, they achieved also. people are greedy now.
i am surprised to know that even now there are tamizhians who do not know about this submerged land “lemuria”. They dont know what is “kumari Kandam”. Sad indeed!!!! The ocean had swallowed not only the people but the truth also. I would like to know more about this land lemuria. It had so many streets well built, it shows hardwork. Do we have any one related to those people in india? I would like to gather information from them.
According to tamizh sitthars, the mountain “Thiruvannamalai” is the oldest one than imalaya mountain and it is written in books that the foreigners call this mountain “HOLLOW HILL” and there are some interesting details about this mountain that inside this there are rivers running and water springs also and we can also hear the sound “OM” coming out..very very fascinating but i dont have experience so far. Whatever we are not experiencing today the old charm which was greener than today. I dont like this modern world and humans so selfish. I like pure hearted people around and i like the silence which prevails in the countryside than the remote streets of money minded cities.
fantastic explanation. I like it…you make me remember about my big uncle and his interview in a tv show during 80’s a programme called “BEYOND TOMORROW”, where he was explaining about this imaalayan region and also about how to preserve the water, the water from the mountain as the icy portion of this mountain was melting gradually still now it is. He was giving explanation about storage of water in underground by keeping huge water tanks, so that we could use it in the future during especially in the summer season, do you remember chennai was without water few years ago..but no one was implenting his suggestion i guess because they dont want tamizhians to survive. :) I was sitting before tv with my family only to see the face of my uncle than listen to his comments. hihihi… As i was a school student at that time, i could not understand what he was telling exactly, because i was surprised to see him on tv. :) . My father later on explained to me what he was telling.
There was a need for a translator always, because you were in tamizh medium school….hihihi… :) and the matters discussed it seems compicated science related subjects :) sadly indians are chasing Gods not science these days the invisible Gods as well as useless gods in ashrams. :) who preach how to attain salvation… :)
LEMURIA (kumari kandam) may emerge from the ocean….this sounds so great and magical. It would be like a Sindbad fantasy film coming again. I am looking forward to this miracle happen at the earliest.
The day when i saw on this blog that the language Tamizh was humiliated i was shedding tears, my mother tongue eventhough i dont know the details about my ancestors….my tears…..probably that was the moment which made me stick here….and also made me go to the ancient period both dravida and veda….and even now i dont know why i was impressed by the term “kanyakumari”..i never thought that i would be exploring this chaste girl and now a woman…she crossed all kinds of humiliation and still facing….What is her mistake after all?
The exact meaning of “kanya kumari” is “cool water”, because i have found the meaning of “kankai”(ganga) is “coolness”. There are so many tamizh names given to god murukan (cock), like “kan”than”, Again just like “thaneer (water) “kan” has come, both means “coolness” only. Muru”kan” would also mean then the one who with a cool body twisted” or the ONE WHO HAS EMERGED FROM THE COOL WATER.
The another name og murukan is “paneer selvam”…”paneer” here means again “coolness”. Selvam (om sound here) name is probably, the Chevel (the red spear) given to murukan changed later on.
Water has been so far
“chast”, “pure”, “spotless”, “holi”, “sacred”, “flawless”, “spotless”, “dirtless”, “crystal clear”, “life”, “hope”, “peace” the list goes on and on…and above all, “non-stop” offering just like chaste girl manimekalai used to travel and give food for all the poor people who were in need. Thats why she is called as “pathini”, the girl with a good character and virginity. Water is “ANNAM” (food) for all.
Sivan(fire) is also called as “Annamalayaan”.(thiruannamalai, the fire mountain) That would mean “annam” the water has in it the fire also. The volcanoes inside the deep ocean are telling that both water and heat are co-related and must thing for all the life on earth to survive.
Though i have written the meaning of “kan” as “cool” i would like to explore this word again, because there are possibilities that the meaning of “kan” is fire (heat). If it is proved, then it would mean both heat and cold together have made the word “kanya kumari”. Because the chaste woman Kannaki as per story had burnt down the city mathurai. “akki” or “akkini”in tamizh also means “heat”, So, kan-akki, the “kan” would give us the meaning of “fire”. Fire is always considered a matter of “holiness” also. So, “kanyakumari” would mean both fire and water together, both sivan and maari, co-related concept. The idol of God Arthanaarieeswaran is half female and half male body carved meaningfully, “artham in tamizh means the “meaning” “naari” is woman and “eeswaran” the sivan (fire).
“kaanal neer” means the water in the desert (mirage) also.
her mistake is her silence.
I am happy to note that you are interested in tamizh history and thanks for giving such a whole lot of details about tamizh history full of rulers from various parts of country….I can now divert my mind to some other topics……may come….let the thoughts to abolish and humiliate tamizh comes….
RULERS OF TAMILNADU – From 6th century to 1948
Tamilnadu has been ruled by a long list of illustrious rulers for nearly a thousand years. Here we attempt to provide a chronological listing of the rulers from 6th Century AD, compiled from authentic works on Tamilnadu History.
Tamil Nadu’s history dates back pre-historic times and archaeological evidence points to this area being one of the longest continuous habitations in India. From early pre-history Tamil Nadu was the home of the three famous kingdoms of the Chera, the Chola and the Pandya. The ancient Tamil literature points to an ancient civilisation lasting since the dawn of time.
The Sangam literature has numerous mentions of the kings and princes who ruled this region. Scholars now generally agree that this literature belongs to the first few centuries CE. The Sangam literature is full of names of the kings and the princes, and of the poets who extolled them. The early Cholas reigned between 1st and 4th centuries CE. The first and the most famous king of this period was Karikala Chola, who expanded the Chola territories up to Kanchipuram. The Cholas occupied the present Thanjavur and Tiruchirappali districts and excelled in military exploits. In the height of their glory, the Chola kings had spread their influence as far as Ceylon (SriLanka) in the south and hundreds of kilometers across the northern region. The early Cholas went into decline around the third century CE, when the Tamil country was invaded by Kalabhras who defeated the Tamil kingdoms and ruled for almost three centuries. They were defeated and the expelled in the sixth century by the Pallavas in the north and the Pandyas in the south.
Temple builders
Around 580 CE, the Pallavas, great temple builders, emerged into prominence and dominated the south for another 150 years. They ruled a large portion of Tamil Nadu with Kanchipuram as their base. They subjugated the Cholas and reigned as far as the Kaveri River. Among the greatest Pallava rulers were Mahendravarman I and his son Narasimhavarman I. Dravidian architecture reached its epitome during Pallava rule. The Cholas again rose to power by the 9th century. Under Rajaraja Chola and his son Rajendra Chola, the Cholas rose as a notable power in Asia. The Chola Empire stretched as far as Bengal. Rajaraja Chola conquered peninsular South India, and annexed parts of Sri Lanka. Rajendra Chola’s navies went beyond, occupying coastal Burma, the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, Lakshadweep, Sumatra, Java, Malaya in South East Asia and Pegu islands. He defeated Mahipala, the king of the Bengal, and to commemorate his victory he built a new capital called Gangaikonda Cholapuram. Chola armies exacted tribute from Thailand and Cambodia.
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First PANDYA Kings
โข590 – 620 kadungkon
โข620 – 645 Maravarman- Avani Soolamani
โข645 – 670 Arikesari Parangkusan
โข700 – 730 Kochadaiyan Ranatheeran
โข730 – 765 Maravarman Rajasimman I
โข765 – 815 Parantaka Nedunchadayan
โข815 – 835 Varagunan I
โข835 – 862 Seemara Seevallapan
โข862 – 880 Varagunan II
โข885 – 895 Parantaka Veera Narayanan
โข905 – 920 Rajasimman II
โข…………. Veerapandiyan
โข1190 – 1216 Sadaiyavarman kulasekaran
โข1216 – 1238 Maravarman Sundarapandiyan I
โข1238 – 1251 Maravarman Sundarapandiyan II
โข1268 – 1271 Sadaiyavarman Sundarapandiyan I
โข1253 – 1274 Sadaiyavarman Veerapandiyan
โข1268 – 1310 Maravarma Kulasekara Pandiyan
Later PALLAVAS
โข……… . . .. Simmavarman III
โข575 โ 610 Simma vishnuvarman
โข610 – 630 Mahendiravarman I
โข630 – 668 Narasimmavarman I
โข668 – 669 Narasimmavarman II
โข669 – 690 Parameswaravarman I
โข690 -728 Narasimmavarman II
โข729 – 731 Parameswaran II
โข731 – 796 Nandivarman II
โข796 – 846 Nandivarman
โข846 – 869 Nandivarman III
โข869 – 913 Nirupathungavarman
โข……… .. Aparajitavarman
CHOZA kings
โข907 – 990 Parantaka Chozan I
โข956 – 957 Kandarathitan
โข956 – 957 Arinjiya Chozan
โข…….. . Uttama Chozan
โข…….. . Sundara Chozan
โข985 – 1014 Rajarajan I
โข1012 – 1044 Rajendiran I
โข1070 – 1120 Kulothungan I
โข1118 – 1132 Vikkirama Chozan
โข1133 – 1150 Kulottungan II
โข1150 – 1163 Rajarajan II
โข1163 – 1179 Rajarajan III
โข1179 – 1216 Kulottungan III
Mohammadian Kings
โข1296 -1315 Allauddin kilji – Mallikkapur
โข1317 Mubaarak shah – kusrukhan
โข1323 Kiyasuddin Tughlak
Sultans of Madurai (1338 โ 1378)
โข……. Jallaludin Asanshah
โข.. …. Kudhpudin
โข… … Kiyasuddin
โข1341 – 1356 Nazeeruddin
โข1356 – 1361 Adillshah
โข1361 -1370 Bakrutin Mubarak shah
โข1370 – 1377 Alavudin Sikkanadar
1336 – 1565 / Vijayanakar Kings
1336 โ 1672 Sankagama vamsam /dynasty
1321 – 1339 Ekambara Nathar
โฆโฆโฆโฆ…. Hariharar Pukkar
1485 โ 1505 Sajava vamsam /dynasty
1505 – 1615 Tuluva vamsam /dynasty
1565 – 1672 Araveedu vamsam /dynasty
เฎฎเฎคเฏเฎฐเฏ เฎจเฎพเฎฏเฎเฏเฎเฎฐเฏเฎเฎณเฏ / NAYAKKARS of Madurai
โข. . . . . ….. Namaga Nayakkar
โข1529 -1564 Visvanatha Nayakkar
โข1564 – 1572 Krishnappa Nayakkar I
โข1572 – 1595 Veerappa Nayakkar
โข1595 – 1601 Krishnappa Nayakkar II
โข1601 – 1609 Muthu krishnappa Nayakkar
โข1609 – 1623 Muthu Veerappa Nayakkar
โข1623 – 1659 Tirumalai Nayakkar
โข1659.. Muthu Veerappa Nayakkar II
โข1659 – 1682 Chokkanatha Nayakkar
โข1682 – 1689 Muthu Veerappa Nayakkar III
โข1689 – 1706 Rani Mangammal
โข1706 – 1732 Vijayaranga Chokka Natha Nayakkar
เฎคเฎเฏเฎเฏ เฎจเฎพเฎฏเฎเฏเฎเฎฐเฏเฎเฎณเฏ /NAYAKKARS of Tanjore
โข1532 – 1560 Sevvappa Nayakkar
โข1560 – 1600 Acchutappa Nayakkar
โข1600 – 1632 Ragunatha Nayakkar
โข1633 – 1673 Vijayaraghava Nayakkar
เฎเฏเฎเฏเฎเฎฟ เฎจเฎพเฎฏเฎเฏเฎเฎฐเฏเฎเฎณเฏ / NAYYAKARS of Gingee
โข1526 – 1541 Vaiyappa Nayakkar
โข1541 – 1544 Petha krishnappa Nayakkar
โข1541 – 1567 Soorappa Nayakkar
โข1567 – 1575 Krishnappa Nayakkar I
โข1580 -1593 Vaiyappa krishnappa kondama Nayakkar
โข…….. . krishnappa Nayakkar II
เฎเฎฐเฎพเฎฎเฎจเฎพเฎคเฎชเฏเฎฐเฎฎเฏ เฎเฏเฎคเฏเฎชเฎคเฎฟเฎเฎณเฏ / SETHUPATIS of RAMANATHAPURAM
โข1605 – 1622 Sadaikkathevar
โข1622 – 1636 Koothan Sethupathi
โข1636 – 1645 Sadaikkathevar II
โข1645 – 1670 Raghunatha Sethupathi
โข……. Suriya Thevar,Anthana Thevar
โข……….. . Raghunatha Thevar (Kezhavan Sethupathi)
โข1700 – 1720 Vijayaraghunatha Sethupati
โข…………. Bhavani Sankara Thevar Sethupathi
โข1720 โ 1803 Kattappa Thevar,
โข ……… .. Sivakumara Muthu,
โข ……….. Vijaya Raghunatha Thevar
โข………… Ranjath Thevar , Sellath Thevar ,
โข………… Muthu Ramalinga Thevar,
โข……. Mangaleswara Nachiyar , Annasami Thevar
เฎคเฎเฏเฎเฏ เฎฎเฎฐเฎพเฎเฏเฎเฎฟเฎฏเฎฐเฏเฎเฎณเฏ / MARATTIYARS of Tanjore
โข1675 – 1684 Vengkoji
โข1694 -1712 Shaji
โข1712 – 1728 Serfoji
โข1728 – 1736 Tukhoji
โข1737……. Baba Saheb, Kattu Raja (Shaji)i
โข1738……. Saiyaji
โข1739 – 1763 Prathap Singh
โข1763 – 1787 Tulajajji
โข1787 – 1798 Amar singh
โข1798 – 1833 Serfoji II
โข1833 – 1855 Sivaji
เฎชเฏเฎคเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏ เฎคเฏเฎฃเฏเฎเฏเฎฎเฎพเฎฉเฏเฎเฎณเฏ / THONTAIMANS of PUDUKOTTAI
โข1730 – 1769 Vijaya Raghunatha Thondaiman
โข1769 – 1789 Raya Raghunatha Thondaiman
โข1807 – 1825 Raja Vijaya Raghu Natha Raya Thondaiman
โข1825 – 1839 Raja Raghunatha Thondaiman Bahadur
โข1839 – 1886 Raja Ramachandra Thondaiman Bahadur
โข1886 – 1928 Marthanda Bairavath Thondaiman Bahadur
โข1928 – 1948 Raja Raja Gopala Thondaiman
http://www.discovertamilnadu.net/rulers.html
Trade and Commerce
There are many credentials to the commercial activities of merchants in the very old Tamil Literatures, and the writing in the caves of Madurai, shows that there was thriving trade during the time and continued during the Chola period through the Pallava period.
The suffix Pattinam was attached in Tamil Nadu to name of cities where international business was conducted. It may be a sea-port or in the surroundings. During the Chola era different types of commercial institutions were firmly documented. There was a progress and synchronization in their activities through a net-work of trading centers. The Chola Kings since Raja Raja seem to have committed interest in the internal and external trade and commerce, which jointly benefitted the Rulers and the Traders. These traders, and also their troops were rich enough to make many offerings to the Temples.
The flora, fauna and mineral wealth represented the most important commodities of trade. Sandal wood, Pearls, Pepper, Ginger, Turmeric, Spices and Birds and some Animals are those traded commodities. The local exchange was handled through paddy and external exchange was conducted through gold coins. Silk was imported from Chaina and the same was sold to other countries in the west during the first century AD. Pearl and Pepper were among the most valuable commodities of trade between Tamil Nadu and the West since Sangam Age, continued to be so in the Chola era too.
http://www.squidoo.com/history-of-tamil-nadu
History of Tamil Language โ Tamil The Ancient Language
Ancient Indian literature has great values, the Vedas and Sangam literature of Tamil gives the moral of life. Tamil language is the oldest and beautiful Dravidian language. The literary tradition of Tamil language is more than 2,200 years, the most remarkable thing is secular poetry extant in India.
Sanskrit and Prakrit (600 BC-600AD), are the other two pre-Aryan languages. Age of Tamil language can not be calculated. However, if we see the evolutionary story of Dravidian language and script are controversy among Language research scholars even today.
http://www.tamilspider.com/resources/3155-History-Of-Tamil-Language.aspx
History of Tamil Nadu โ Cholas Kingdoms in Tamilnadu (before undivided india)
During 9th to 14th centuries the Cholas again came for power in South India.The chola king Rajaraja Chola and his son Rajendra Chola extended their rule to central India , Orissa and some parts of West Bengal.
Ancient History of Tamil shows that in 9 th century Rajaraja Chola captured the eastern Chalukya kingdom by defeating the Cheras and he ruled some parts in srilanka by defeating the Pandyas. The great chola king Rajendra Chola showed his power of rule beyond the andaman and Nicobar islands , Lakshadweep, Sumatra, Java, Malaya and Pegu island. Mahipala, the king of Bihar and Bengal was defeated by Rajendra Chola. To make this victory as visual he built a new capital called Gangaikonda Cholapuram . Tamil history states that after 13th century Chola kingdom started loosing their power of rule in Tamilnadu.
After cholas, during 14th century Pandyas kingdom again emerged the power of rule in Tamilnadu, But the life of this pandya kinfdom was short then Muslim Khilji mugamathu invaders from the north in 1316.
http://www.tamilspider.com/resources/3124-History-Tamil-Nadu-Cholas-Pallavas-Pandyas.aspx
Thamiz and Thamizian in other locations
The 2nd and 13th rock edicts of Asoka (273โ232 BCE) refers to the Pandyas, Cholas, Cheras and the Satiyaputras. According to the edicts, these kingdoms lay outside the southern boundary of the Mauryan Empire. The Hathigumpha inscription of the Kalinga King, Kharavela, (c. 150 BCE) refers to the arrival of a tribute of jewels and elephants from the Pandyan king. It also talks about a league of Tamil kingdoms that had been in existence 113 years before then.[58][59] The earliest epigraphic records of the Tamil country in Tamil Nadu were found in Mangulam village near Madurai. The cave inscriptions, deciphered in 1966, have been dated to 2nd century BC and record the gift of a monastery by Pandyan king Nedunj Cheliyan to a Jain monk. These inscriptions are also the oldest Jain inscriptions in South India and among the oldest in all of India.[60] References to Sangam age Chera dynasty are found in Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions of 3rd century CE found on rocks in Edakal hill in Wynad district of Kerala.[61] The ancient port city of Tondi is mentioned in inscriptions found in Kilavalavu village near Madurai.[62] The early part of the 20th century saw the discovery of about 39 inscriptions in a dozen locations, all near Madurai. The most significant of these were the ones at Alagarmalai and Sittannavasal. The Alagarmalai inscriptions, dated to the 1st century BCE, record the endowments made by a group of merchants from Madurai. Another set of inscriptions from 2nd century CE, found at Pugalur village near Karur, document the construction of a rock shelter by a Chera king of the Irumporai line for a Jain monk, Cenkayapan. Cave inscriptions at Arachalur, dated to the 4th century CE, provide evidence for the cultivation of music and dance in the Tamil country.[63] One of the earliest inscriptional evidence of the chieftains of the Sangam age was found at Jambai, a village near the town of Tirukkoyilur in Villupuram district of Tamil Nadu. These inscriptions belonging to the 1st century CE record the grants made by the chieftain Atiyaman Netuman Anci who ruled from Takatur. According to epigraphist I. Mahadevan, there were some reservations initially, about the linguistic details in the inscriptions, but further investigations have confirmed their authenticity.[64] Inscriptions from 2nd century CE found at Mannarkoil village in Tirunelveli district contain a reference to a katikai, which could mean an assembly of learned persons or an institution of higher learning. An inscription belonging to the early Cholas has been discovered near Tiruchirappalli and has been dated between the 2nd and 4th century CE. An analysis of the geographical sites of these cave inscriptions points to the possibility of the Tamil-Brahmi script having been created at Madurai around the 3rd century BCE and its disseminations to other parts of Tamil country thereafter.[65]
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2007/11/21/stories/2007112158412400.htm
Please refer this link
Tamil Brahmi script in Egypt
Exciting archaeological discovery with implications of import
significant pointer: Potsherd with Tamil Brahmi inscription, circa first century B.C., found in Egypt.
A broken storage jar with inscriptions in Tamil Brahmi script has been excavated at Quseir-al-Qadim, an ancient port with a Roman settlement on the Red Sea coast of Egypt. This Tamil Brahmi script has been dated to first century B.C. One expert described this as an โexciting discovery.โ
The same inscription is incised twice on the opposite sides of the jar. The inscription reads paanai oRi, that is, pot (suspended) in a rope net.
An archaeological team belonging to the University of Southampton in the U.K., comprising Prof. D. Peacock and Dr. L. Blue, who recently re-opened excavations at Quseir-al-Qadim in Egypt, discovered a fragmentary pottery vessel with inscriptions.
Dr. Roberta Tomber, a pottery specialist at the British Museum, London, identified the fragmentary vessel as a storage jar made in India.
Iravatham Mahadevan, a specialist in Tamil epigraphy, has confirmed that the inscription on the jar is in Tamil written in the Tamil Brahmi script of about first century B.C.
In deciphering the inscription, he has had the benefit of expert advice from Prof. Y. Subbarayalu of the French Institute of Pondicherry, Prof. K. Rajan of Central University, Puducherry and Prof. V. Selvakumar, Tamil University, Thanjavur.
According to Mr. Mahadevan, the inscription is quite legible and reads: paanai oRi, that is, โpot (suspended in) a rope net.โ The Tamil word uRi, which means rope network to suspend pots has the cognate oRi in Parji, a central Dravidian language, Mr. Mahadevan said. Still nearer, Kannada has oTTi, probably from an earlier oRRi with the same meaning.
The word occurring in the pottery inscription found at Quseir-al-Qadim can also be read as o(R)Ri as Tamil Brahmi inscriptions generally avoid doubling of consonants.
Earlier excavations at this site about 30 years ago yielded two pottery inscriptions in Tamil Brahmi belonging to the first century A.D.
Another Tamil Brahmi pottery inscription of the same period was found in 1995 at Berenike, also a Roman settlement, on the Red Sea coast of Egypt, Mr. Mahadevan said.
These discoveries provided material evidence to corroborate the literary accounts by classical Western authors and the Tamil Sangam poets about the flourishing trade between the Tamil country and Rome (via the Red Sea ports) in the early centuries A.D.
It is not tamizh brahmi but tamizh prahmi…strong tones we dont have, because we are always weak :) and poverty stricken. :)
Old Tamil Cahkam literature and the so-called Cankam period
Herman Tieken
Instituut Kern University of Leiden, The Netherlands
Abstract
The reconstruction of the early history of Tamilnadu has been based mainly on the so- called Cankam poetry. This poetry is generally taken to provide descriptions of Tamilnadu by contemporary poets during the period before the rise of the Pallavas and the introduction of Sanskrit culture in the South. However, the argument is basically circular, that is to say, Cankam poetry is dated before the Pallavas because it does not mention the Pallavas and describes a purely indigenous culture which is hardly touched by Sanskrit culture. In the present article it will be argued that Cankam poetry does not describe a contemporary soci ety or the poets’ own culture, but a society from the past, or life in small, primitive villages which are far removed from the poets’ own cosmopolitan milieu. This means that Cankam poetry is to be dated after the period it describes. On closer consideration, we appear to be dealing with certain literary genres borrowed from the North Indian Kรขvya tradition, more in particular with compositions which are typically not written in Sanskrit but in Prรขkrit or Apabhramลa. In Cankam literature, the regional Tamil language has been assigned the role of a Prรขkrit. This use of Tamil we otherwise meet in the inscriptions of the Pรขntiyas of the eighth or ninth century and only in the inscriptions of that dynasty. This suggests that Cankam poetry was composed by the same poets who were responsible for the Velvikudi and Dalavaypuram inscriptions of the Pรขntiyas. As such, it is no longer possible to use this poetry for the reconstruction of the early history of Tamilnadu. On the other hand, Cankam poetry does supply interesting material for the study of the cultural politics of a newly arisen regional dynasty in eighth-century South India.
http://ier.sagepub.com/content/40/3/247.short
“KALAIYARKOIL” derived its name from the KALEESWARAR temple of the place. “KALAIYAR” is a corruption of the word KALEESWARAN. During the Sangam period, this place was known as “KAANAPPAIR” as is seen from the 21st verse in the PURANANNOORU sung by IYUR MOOLAKIZHAR, a poet of the Sangam period, In the 9th Century A.D. SAINT SUNDARA MOORTY NAYANAR described the presiding deity in his devotional songs as KAALAI. Since then the deity was known as KALAIYAR with the Tamil or suffixed to it denoting respect. The temple came to be known as “KALLAYARKOIL” and later adapted to the place also.
may be this “kali” give us the meaning of “black” colour or “kaalam” the time, the eeswaran who determine the time of this earth, the indirect meaning of “kaleeswaran”.Another meaning since “kali” the deity is in black colour especially in south india to indicate the nature of natural disaster. We do not see the north indian idols in black colour. They hate “black” colour. But, the original form and meaning we have here in tamizhnadu. I know our culture was once dominating all over india, thats why i see in the name of “calcutta” the tamizh name “kaalikoodam” or “kaalikottam” or “kaalikattam”…later on changed as “kolkatta”. They also worship “kaali” only but the colour is fair one. We should atleast have our tamizhnadu with us and ilankai should be with the ilankai tamizhians. We are not greedy. Life is short, we should let others live. We are big hearted always.
Good example of freedom movement by the tamil kings from south india..
The Marudu Brothers served under Muthu Vaduganatha Thevar. Later they were elevated to the position of Commanders. Boomerangs are peculiar to India. Two forms of this weapons were used in India. These weapons are commonly made of wood. It is cresent-shaped on end being heavier than the other and the outer edge is sharpened. Their name in Tamil is VALARI stick. It is said that Marudu Brothers were experts in the art of throwing the valari stick. It is said that Marudus used Valari in the POLIGAR wars against the English.
The Marudu brothers with 12,000 armed men surrounded Sivaganga and plundered the Nawab’s territories. The Nawab on the 10th of March 1789 appealed to the Madras Council for aid. On 29th April 1789, the British forces attacked Kollangudi. It was defeated by a large body of Marudu’s troops. He was in close association with Veera Pandiya Kattabomman of Panchalankurichi. Kattabomman held frequent consultations with Marudhus.
After the execution of Kattabomman in 17th October 1799 at Kayattar, Chinna Marudhu gave asylum to Kattabomman’s brother Oomadurai (dumb brother). He issued an epoch-making Jumboo Deweepa proclamation to the people in the island of Jamboo the peninsular South India to fight against the English whether they were Hindus, Mussalamans or Christians. At last the Marudhu Pandiyars fell a victim to the cause of liberating the motherland from the English supremacy.
Marudu Pandiyan the popular leader of the rebels, together with his gallant brother Vellai Marudu were executed on the ruins of fort at Tiruppathur in SIVAGANGA District on 24th October 1801. They showed their determination and spirit at the outset of the final struggle of 1801 by setting their handsome village Siruvayal on fire to prevent its being made use of by the English forces.
Marudu brothers were not only warriers and noted for bravery, but they were very great Administrators. During the period from 1783 to 1801, they worked for the welfare of the people and the Sivaganga Seemai was reported as fertile. They constructed many notable temples (i.e Kalayarkoil) Ooranis and Tanks .
As long as i am here, no Fear, when i quit (going to) you start the gear.
Puttabarthi Saibaba has gone to the heaven, now there is “FEAR” in Andhrapradesh, the trustees are watching carefully but the Almighty is watching also how to guard the money. Funny world!!!! Who is the next “avataar” now? the BIG QUESTION. I want to learn magic, let me go to calcutta, Please Mr.P.C.SIRCAR, teach me how atleast now.
when shirdi sai left this world, there was only 10/- in his room, he used to give the money to all the people who visited him, he knew exactly who was in distress state. But, today, we can see so many swamis holding mobiles and all electronic gadgets and still proclaim they are gods. Are they all following simplicity and how to be compassionte?
Dear all,
i have done research on this field. i have made one machine for sound modulator. that machine is able to module all sounds include so many years oldest sound also.
basic theory of the machine is all words exit from each person are not dead but the vibration will be reduce but never die,
by using this theory my machine is working. i have found the some old languages but i can not understand the name of this language
PHONIX, the name of the language. Re-birth shall be there. :)
Re-birth but I dont want at all. Time and Destiny.
meenammal, meenachi wife of sivan has so many names, she has my name also. she is ms.m. :) the one who ruled madurai is meenachi, the one who is ruling my mind and brain is also she….i would like to give her farewell party. but she is adamant.
Nachiapuram is a Nagarathar village located in Sivagangai District in the State of Tamil Nadu in India.
Besides The Nachiar Amman Temple, Nachiapuram also has the Kattu Nachi Amman Temple.
This above amman is still “KAATU NACHI”…it is not “KAATUNAKSHI”..
How can anyone claim by adding the sound “sh” to everything and say that they are not tamizh words…..UMA EESAN…..this couple is not a Vedic couple…but purely based on nature and the creation….UMA is the mother she is water…..Eesan name given to the banyan tree and is worshipped as sivan…This banyan tree has been the “place of learning” for so many…”aasanam” the seat in tamizh.
What made the ancient people to make this “wonder tree” a God is still mysterious….this tree is worshipped by the married women without issue….this tree is giving the meaning of “fertility”…since its rope like roots can reach the ground and can create another tree…so, the “immortal nature” of this tree must have been the reason for the people to call this tree “sivan”…sivappu in tamizh means “red colour”…the trunk of this tree red in colour and dried leaves the ash of vilvam tree white in colour made the people to create the symbol “NAAMAM”…for people of india …some hindus draw this symbol on their forehead and the colour of “thiruneeru”..is also white in colour, this is indicating the burning of vilvam tree leaves….but not now…they burn the cowdung and make the ash…every ancient practice some of them intact and some of them have lost their original meaning and practiced differently.
Do not ever forget the National Tree of India is “BANYAN TREE”.
Whenever i go near a banyan tree these days i become so emotional. How much inspiration people got from this “vichaala” (huge, gigantic and immortal) tree. I go back to the ancient time and my mind is filled with thoughts of ancient people. Long live the banyan tree!!!!! We bless you always.
“BANYAN” tree is formed from “KANYA” both give us the same style and meaning “coolness”. Because, “PAN” and “KAN” in tamizh both gives the meaning “coolness” so instead of “panyan” tree it is “banyan” tree in english. The tree with cool shade to give relief from the scorching heat. Since, in ancient time the travellers and businessmen used to sit and rest under this tree those people were given the name “BANIYAS” even today the people who show interest in business are called Baniyas in india.
Shortening tamizh names has been the fashionable trend for example some names are given…
visweswaran……visweshwar
kamaleswaran….kamaleshwar
chandrasekaran….chandrashekar
kumaran…………….kumar
meganathan………..meghnath
sankaran…………….shankar
viswanathan…………vishwanath
suryan…………………surya
subramanian………..subramanya
sivan……………………shiva
kaameswaran………..kaameshwar
No one is feeling good or proud when they say the names in FULL form….in this way, the original names and the beauty and genuinity are destroyed..
I already wrote the meaning of Eesan as “Eendra Acchan” it means “the father who delivered”….the another meaning may be or should be “intha aasaan”…”this master” …”intha” in tamizh means this and “aasaan” in tamizh means the teacher or the master…so, here Lord Sivan is the “Master of this Universe”….”HE MAN”…He teaches all of us everything……in malayalam they have shortened this “intha” and they say “ee”…for example ..ee logathil means “in this world”….”ee” means in this world and “logam” means world….logam is a world from the tamizh word “ulagam” (world) the full form.. So, the name “EESAN” is intact still…purely original tamizh name given to Sivan.
LOGAM is a word…sorry…there was a mistake….in hindi, ulakam(world) is prounounced as “LOK”….ulakam may be…in tamizh urulaiyaana (globe shaped) akam (inside or inner)…the round or the circle shaped or the globe shape of this earth….the whole universe which contain inside a lot.
KADAVUL means God in tamizh……just cross and deep inside there…the exact meaning of this word…but He cant be reached the inner meaning.
DEIVAM is also a word for God in tamizh it is pronounced as “devata” and “dev” also in hindi. DEVATHAI in tamizh means “angel”…they do not belong to this earth and come down on earth from the celestial sky…..mata(mother), pita(father), guru (kuru) and deivam (god)….
it is not kadavul..it is katavul..we do not have strong tones. and also not devathai…but thevathai (angel). just like ulakam (world) yokam(yoga) is also a purely tamizh word which the northeners do not want to tell the world about its originality. How can people who want to occupy the land and suppress the people create an art called ‘YOKAM”…they always spend time how to find ways and means to exploit the people and humiliate tamizhians. “yokam” means there is a deep path inside every humanbeing and it should be explored…”yo” means the mysterious inner vacant or empty place which has a divine power that should be awakened and “akam” means the inner side (ullam) which is in need of peace. By stimulating “yo” we can find answers for everything..the answer is normally “illusion”. Sivan is illusion. People medidate under this sivantha maram (banyan tree) get the wisdom. Today, the world is full of turmoil.
NATARAASAN in tamizh means “the king of dance”, natanam in tamizh means dance, ie, the movement of legs, The “chitamparam” temple is dedicated to this dance form of sivan. The idol is in dance form. But, in sanskrit, they have changed the original tamizh name and it is now “NATARAAJAN”, here the sound “jha” used. In urdu, BADSHAH is a name, which actually has the meaning i found here again “kind of dance”. “path” or “paatham” in tamizh means the feet, instead of keeping path, “bad” used and “shah” in urdu is “king” so the meaning is same as in tamizh, the king of dance or the “dancing king”. “pathaanjali” means in tamizh (anjali) contribution or serving to the god by dancing so that He can be entertained or pleased.
“SHAH” is none other but “eesan” or “sivan” or “eesaa” by adding “eeshwar” or “shiva” and “shah” is sivan. Badshah would mean “the dancing feet of sivan”. Here, the God (fire) is dancing.
“ESHA” is one of the names for girls in india. Arasan in tamizh is “king”. “Rajan” in sanskrit (ja added) Natarasan is “dancing sivan” and so Badshah is also”dancing sivan”.
MASHA, the russian girls name should be explored..is it ma(mariyaata) and eesha(eesan)?
Arasan or “Arasar” in tamizh means “king”. So, the name of lion in hindi “sher” has been formed from the tamizh name “ara”sar” by adding “sh”. “sher” Lion, the “king of the jungle”. So, the relation between tamizh, hindi and urdu languages are clearly given. “Shah” means king. So, Sivan the fire is “king”.(nata”raasan”) as well as “teacher” who teaches us all the dancing movements and all other things.
NATASHA, this name also proves that “nata” the dancing movement and “esha” Eesan (sivan). In this name, the tamizh word “nata” is intact. In tamizh it is nataraasan.
MANISHA another name, here mani would mean mazhai neer, the rain water and eesha (eesan).
AYISHA this muslim girls name is also has “aayi” (maariyayi or maariyata) and eesha (eesan). So, here one of the tamizh names for mother “aayi” is kept.
Amman is also called by names as following
kaathayi …..mother who protects
karupayi……..mother who is black (clouds)
mariyayi…… mother she is rain or water.
So, “ayi” is mother in tamizh used in maharashtra also, it proves the spread of dravidan culture all over the world.
Aalayam today in tamizh means temple….but in ancient tamizh country, this was not a temple but the banyan tree under which the sages had been meditating… this tree with cool shade was giving them comfort and solace and we in tamizh say for banyan tree “aala maram”….again this word “mara”m(tree)has been given to all tree just like “mari” given to the coolwater..kanyaku”mari”..”ku”ma”..means water mother each tamizh word within it.. is having meaning…its difficult to find out….the Lord Muruga, is called “kumara” in tamizh…and the excavation in sind region proves the fact that “the bird cock” was given importance…how the tamizh name “cheval” (cock) was given…not known, may be Chev Vel (red spear) was changed and later on given to this bird as “Cheval”….Lord Sivan name is also “EESAN” in tamizh and this mountain “himalaya” is “imaalayam” ….”Eesanmaalayam” later on changed by adding “hi” sound to it by the aryans…efforts had been very active to abolish pure tamizh it seems…
IMAA….EESAN(sivan) and MA (parvati) Imaalayam the mountain where the couple sivan and parvati are residing.
Eesan was not called “HEESAN” ….BUT only Eesan still…Eesan is called “eshwar” indeed but the firsh letter is not changed still. your name should “kirieesan”….but because of strong tones…”girish”…..kiri in tamizh here means “mountain”…..the mountain where the lord eesan stay…..we have in tamizh some mountains which names are given below…
chandrakiri
yelakiri
neelakiri
rathnakiri
chathurakiri
Few examples given above…but some people say the word “kiri” as “giri” adding strong tones….We dont have such tones in tamizh literature. “kirivalam” means “walking around the mountain” especially the city “thiruvannamalai” is known for “kirivalam” for getting blessing from God Sivan…..its good for health also…14 kilometers to be covered by walking with herbal air surround with wandering holy spirits of tamizh sitthars…belief…i need experience…deep involvement is needed….let us all go to this mountain and feel it and be spiritual.
“Kirivalam” is the best for health especially on full moon day at night…the climate would be cool and the rays of full moon would pass through your body and would give benefits for the whole body….whether you believe in sivan or not give importance your body and be healthy. Walking is good for health and air full of herbs and the thoughts about the dead spirits of sitthars would make your soul the most elevated one….lets go to the ancient earth full of good souls.
Aalayam itself means the tree with huge body, ie., the banyan tree. Aala maram is banyan tree in tamizh worshipped in ancient period. “maram” here is giving us all the cool shade. maari and maara both related with coolness.
“Kirivalam” is the best for health especially on full moon day at night…the climate would be cool and the rays of full moon would pass through your body and would give benefits for the whole body….whether you believe in sivan or not give importance to your body and be healthy. Walking is good for health and air full of herbs and the thoughts about the dead spirits of sitthars would make your soul the most elevated one….lets go to the ancient earth full of good souls….forget about religious thoughts simply spiritual….
No ashram, no fake swamis be peaceful!!!! :) no drugs, no videos, no corruption…be cool!!!!
Mr.m……..u no Himalaya parvata, this is all indians & all worlds languages also told Himalaya, Himalaya names from fure Kannada name not for sanskrit & other Himalaya meance in kannada ‘ Himagala+Halaya=Himalaya ” meance ” ice temples ” bcoz indian & hindus great hill go it
ISAKI AMMAN is still worshipped in thirunelveli district and other nearby places of tamizhnadu. This amman is very much famous in these deep southern regions, if ISAKI means ISA+KI, the name of wife(water) of sivan (fire), then it is still ISAKI and not HISAKI, i think aryans have not added “HA” sound to it so far to claim, only they have changed the name of IMAYAM and by adding “HI” made it HIMALAYA to fool this entire universe to claim that the whole india is their place by cheating the dravidians. I dont have enough time to explore the names of amman and appan (sivan) which are still countless in tamizhnadu to find out the connection between original tamizh names and altered names created tactfully by aryans.
KANYAKUMARI is the oldest tamizh civilisation and “SINTHU” civilisation is also “HARAPPAN” the oldest civilisation of dravidans…and this “godavari and “kaveri” are the feminine names given to rivers of india….Tanjore in tamizh nadu is called the “Granary of tamizhnadu” where this river kaveri is flowing and this word “RI” in these three …2 rivers 1 ocean means “she”…exact meaning for “kaateri”(amman) and “veperi”(amman)……”yeri” …lake or ocean both are worshipped and given status of a woman goddess…both ferocious gods….kanyakumari is not a devil form…very much pious and chaste……here also the word “kan” comes just like “kankai (gangai)…..yes, tamizh people are the cheated people…..
if this “kai” really has the meaning “cool”…then this mountain “kailaayam” (himalaya…imayam(tamizh)) would mean the mountain full of coolness…”kai” as well as “aala” both have the same meaning…very much interesting indeed….after coming to this blog i am gaining knowledge day by day….:)
can you give examples of kannada words used in some parts of india..i would be grateful…u should show me the relationship between kannada and other words of different states of india…give me explanation….The river Ganga is actually “kankai” once upon a time a pure tamizh name for the river…and we have another river by the name of “vaikai” in madhurai district in tamizh nadu…and we have one herbal mountain called “pothikai” also here…”Saravana Poikai” is a theertham in ettukudi in tamizh nadu ‘sacred pond of the reedy marsh’ near nagapatinam…”kutikai” a hut made of leaves…does this “kai” mean “cool” or what???… grateful if some one explain me especially this “kai”…the ancient meaning….if we go to sleep… a sound sleep then i suppose u people would make this tamizh nadu disappear from the world map…hmmmm.
Siddha the tamizh ancient medical practice…Mercury is a vital substance in the earth. It characteristically runs and will burn in the fire and it mixes with all metals and arsenic substances.If it can be converted into Mani, without running and being burnt, it acquires great power. It is called โKanaga Kulikaiโ, โSoothagakulikaiโ or โRasa Kulikaiโ. It is considered as the super medicine. In the world, Siddhas found at first โRasa Maniโ..So…i have given various words ending with “kai”….have similarities with names in the whole india…do u people accept the fact now..tamizh sitthars have been wandering all over india once upon time serving people…
kanndadigas call mother “thayee” it is one of the numerous names given to mother in tamizh… Dont ever try to humiliate the divine and holiest mother “tamizh”…
just like “KANYAKUMARI” the river “KANKAI” was spelt the same once upon a time and she was murdered by these aryans and she is called as “GANGAI” today. I wonder still now why “kanyakumari” is not murdered and why she is still “KANYAKUMARI”? She should never be called as “ganya” by anyone by mistake. Let her live.
@Kumaran, & othera Tamil people Plzzzzzz dont give wrong information, I think ur all u knows only tamil History but u dont other langauge Historys so first go to see & Understand other langauge Historys, indian old language Not only tamil u got it ,,,,,,,,,Kannada,
sanskrit,Devanagari,brahmi, thos also old langauge in india u no Sanskrit use tha script that is Devanagari script tamil also suport this Script got it, then ones agine dont telling stupid type, go to Sleepโฆโฆโฆโฆโฆโฆ..
Mr.Girish
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Bishop Robert Caldwell (1814โ1891) Robert Caldwell, was a Colonial Era Evangelist Missionary who used native languages as a tool to proselytize the Colonised in Southern India.His works revolve around the missionary work in Tinnevelly (Thirunelveli) district in Tamil Nadu. He gives the example of the Dravidian root pe- from which the Tamil word Pey meaning “devil” is derived,[16] which Caldwell proclaims to be independent of Sanskrit, and shows how it is related to the Sanskrit pisacha.[17]
Respected Robert Caldwell was not informative about this particular village deity of tamizh nadu “peichi” a word that has been the inspiration to create the word “pisacha” in sanskrit.
Peichi amman (โPeiโ means devil) or ‘perachi Amman” is one of the names given to Goddess parvati (water or fish). Meenaatchi means the rule of fish….perachi means the great rule of goddess…so, it is wrong to say that this word “pei” has been taken from sanskrit..it is a original tamizh word…thereafter “pei” has been used to denote the devil in tamizh and later on gone to sanskrit and they formed the word “pisacha”..infact the original word is “peichi” or “peraachi”…a devil form of Goddess parvati amman just like “kaateri” or “veperi amman” worshipped in tamizh nadu mainly by village people as well as city people with strong devotion. First of all we should make the list of all the tamizh ammans (godesses) and then explore the words of different languages of this world.
If anyone has doubt about this amman “PEICHI” or “PERACHI” from which the sanskrit name “pisacha” for devil has formed, then here is the list of some of the ammans ending with “aachi”.
KAAMATCHI AMMAN…. the rule of love of goddess
NAACHI AMMAN or NAACHIYAR…
MEENATCHI AMMAN…..the rule of fish, the goddess
PADAYATCHI AMMAN…the rule of war goddess.
VISAALAATCHI AMMAN…the big rule of goddess..
see u all later on…i think i am not boring u all…:)
the above given names of ammans are purely “TAMIZH”..
In tamil we say for the spear SOOLAM and in hindi it is SOOLI (the spear or the cross)
Sooli Amman is one form of so many Ammans of tamiz nadu.
Neeli Amman is also another amman…This name is famous in north india and other parts…Neelam, Neeli, Neelofar etc…Neelam is a short name of Neelamman. These names tell us about the worship of Amman in the whole india once.
SOOLAM is infact TRIDENT…the weapon of Amman which she uses to kill the demons….Sivan is also holding this weapon SOOLAM…..THIRISOOLAM……THRISHOOL in hindi..
The muslim name “Neelima” is to be noted. It is representing the blue sky mother. “Neelaambari” this name means the blue sky again. “ambaram” in tamiz means the sky and in hindi it is “ambar” or “aakash” (in tamiz it is “ambaram” “aakaayam” or “aakaasam”) and “neelam” means blue colour.
Chithambaram means the sky full of heat..here the chitha means in tamizh the fire..in hindi chitha means the funeral pyre. “ambaram”, the sky is full of heat and the sky can not be measured, thats why the temple city “chithambaram” the sivan temple was named with deep meaning. This secret was kept by the ancient tamizhians before all the discoveries and inventions started in this world.
The people of tamizhnadu are crazy about so many Ammans and they would continue creating new Ammans in the future also. They can never change their attitude :) They have huge list of ammans in villages already and i advise them to stop creating. :)
Future kids of tamizhnadu would worship Sonia Amman, Jayalalita Amman, Uma bharti amman, Tammanna Amman, simran amman, Topsi amman and hanskia motwani amman. Vacant plots are already booked :) near golden beach, those who want to visit can rest in the beach resorts and can approach the temples with SOOLAM :) before going brush your teeth with TRIDENT :) dont forget this.
Amman songs are being telecasted on all the tv channels to attract the public of tamizhnadu for the next election :) Women are so excited and emotional shedding tears before TV. They are truly devotional :)
In some cities of tamizh nadu, the word “AACHI” is being used for calling mother or grandmother even now..so MEENATCHI would mean MEENA AMMA…..Fish mother.
Meenakshi = meen & Akshi
meen = pisces , Akshi = Eye
its pisces eye…….
same goes to …….
vishalakshi = Vishal + Akshi
Vishala = large,huge,gaint….
its huge eye, large eye or gaint eye…etc
Kamakshi = desire eye, pleasure eye … etc…….
just like tamizh words prasaadam and appisekam or appisekaram have been changed by adding “sh” and to this world they seem sanskrit words, the above wriiten names of “Kuma” water MOTHER have been changed by adding “sh”….Aachi means amma, then the names would be like,…
meenamma….amman
neelamma
ponnamma
velamma
kannamma
chellamma
pottamma
Aatchi in tamizh means “rule” then also it can be taken but not “aksh” …go to the ancient period with spirtuality.
So, giving wrong meaning to this “aachi” would change the beauty of the original tamizh words and it would be against the nature of law and the creation.
The ancient civilisation of kanyakumari has been so far the inspiration for so many cultures and names have been created…like “huma” and “humaira” muslim names also…Acceptance with pure and genuine conscience is needed..The one who created “KANYAKUMARI ….i mean the Almighty is still watching everything so silently…
Five elements, Land, water, wind, fire and space have been given importance by the tamizh citthars and holy figures have been formed keeping in mind the abovegiven five powerful elements….An imaginative form of parvati is representing water and also the form of sivan is representing the fire…thats why the thiruvannamalai, the fire mountain is considered as the mountain of sivan…”the mountain is important here”…no idol is given importance here….but later on idol worship has started…
Visalaachi…this particular amman worship is not so famous in tamilnadu..but in tamizhnadu, women are keeping this name like visalaatchi and vichaalam, may be this amman worship is only famous in KAASI or VAARANASI (UP, India)..i am curious to know about this amman worship in tamiznadu..i also find this name “visalamman” with malayalam font on net. Visaalam has “aalam” the banyan tree here…visalachi amman….
i dont think you are chennai vaasi, but “temple vaasi”, i think you have internet connection near the idol..i mean in “sanctum”. You are watching the world..u should…people should not be given the ancient meaning. They should be kept the “fools forever”.
WONDERFUL EXPLANATION
THANK YOU SO MUCH
Thanks for the encouragement. Here, we are not talking about the history of any culture but the antiquity mainly…Suppression only make the history vanish away from this earth…how long anyone can hide the truth?…it shall break all the barriers and come out one day….we have been suffering all these days…..only when you are struggling you will come to know about the “core of this earth”….ups and down in life is needed….then only you will come to know about what is laughter and what is pain…..all the emotions God the Almighty only has given us to feel…I think He is watching us all with smile….I dont care about what today the tamizhian is doing….hell with bad tamizhians…..i am only with the ancient culture and their efforts and their emotions…..hell with bad world!!!!!…We are in need of a good world with brightness and cheerful atmosphere…..be united all of you….. we are all humans created by the Almighty…he has only made all kinds of colours……
ic :)
yes God has only created all colours, but these days people have forgotten about one colour mainly, that is Green, i means the nature. They should plant more and more seeds, plants, trees.etc. etc. they are going to help us all.
you might have thought i was preaching about the glory of Sivan to make the people follow him. He was an illusion for me, now cleared. He is representing all the 5 elements. Generally, NATURE and SCIENCE as well both controlled by unknown POWER.
Human body is in need of the 5 elements always. Too much heat and too much cold would destroy the operating system of internal organs. So, when the body is loosing the sufficient heat then it would mean that the body is going to be dead. Dead body means “chillness”, no heat for surviving. Air is for breathing. our connection with sand is that we came from the earth and must meet up with it again. Our connection with sky is that unknown forces are active which are very difficult to understand. Spirtual world. Those who are expert about the subject “telepathy” would understand not all.
Thank God!! you got the exact meaning. Thats good. But dont ever forget about the invisible power. That is important. Be kind hearted always.
my HEART is saved, thanks for your timely response, my brain has stored your true comments, feel so grateful Mr.Deva Gowda :)
“Rangan” is a pure tamizh word and it is not a sanskrit word…if the meaning of “ranganathan” means “the protector of the place of aseembly” then it is already established by naming the monkey in tamizh “ku”rangan” or “kurangu”…ranga actually means the “world” and ranganathan or “ranganathaswamy” means the “Lord of the world or “earth”…just like cock was “murungan” later on changed into “muruga”…”kurangan” is also changed into “kurangu”…the fact that humanbeings all came from monkeys this very fact was known to the ancient tamizhians and they could see also that the monkey was a water animal..”this “ku” clears the doubt which infact means or related to water…. very much suited or can be applied to this nature of transformation took place….the english name “orang utan” (with behaviour exactly like humans) also has relation with “kurangu”…the chinese martial term “kungfu” actually has monkey like jestures….so “ranga” means the first ever humanbeing from the water…gotta go now….c u all….:)
The famous and the powerful amman(goddess) ANGALAMMAN or ANGALA PARAMESWARI….the meaning of this tamizh village deity is “the one who has come to rule this world”. “angam” in tamizh means the world and aaLa means the rule….angathai aaLa vantha parama eeswari..This form of amman is said to be the omnipotent…all powerful….in reality the importance is given to the power of water….water has the capacity to even extinquish the fire….fire is nothing before water…MARI(water) is powerful
YES. IT IS TRUE….MARI IS NOW FEROCIOUS…IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO CONTROL HER….MAY PEACE PREVAIL UPON THIS EARTH.
when i am eating food and drinking water, my heart is crying for the japanese people….all about destiny.. We should pray for the grief-stricken people of japan. They are all helpless now. Its very difficult to re-arrange the cities…sind valley had to face this natural disaster several times…it is the WILL POWER that makes the people re-build everything….still we are in this whirling globe inside fighting with each other.
sind valley had to face natural disaster, when did aryan enter? exact time is needed.
i need the exact date also.
yes sind had to face disaster, now it is too late. you can not do anything. Be cool. We tamizhans had been always big hearted. Let the aryans live. God shall bless us whatever way he wants. Stop exploring history.
The famous and the powerful amman(goddess) ANGALAMMAN or ANGALA PARAMESWARI….the meaning of this tamizh village deity is “the one who has come to rule this world”. “angam” in tamizh means the world and aaLa means the rule….angathai aaLa vantha parama eeswari..This form of amman is said to be the omnipotent…all powerful….in reality the importance is given to the power of water….water has the capacity to even extinquish the fire….fire is nothing before water…
Even after so many thousands of years passed, i dont know why the tamizhians and dravidians of other parts of india are still adamant about worshipping different ammans in a barbaric way…like during “masana kollai” the haunted folks drink the blood of goats, hen and cocks…very very horrible!!!!..Will they ever stop this kind of following rituals in terrific way?????…They are supposed to worship the bird “cock”…this bird is said to be the flag of murugan..son of sivan…..but they kill the bird mercilessly by saying they are getting the command from the “supernatural power”…..i am speechless…dont want to observe them in the crematorium…uncivilised culture still practiced…i need explantion.
what made them sacrifice animals..to please the 5 elements? they thought in this way they can stop the wrath of nature and thats what made them follow non-vegetarian food. Before that they were eating vegetables only. who was that first guy who changed everything? its barbaric indeed but now a habit. Are we not the cruel hearted? yes we are …but doctors are talking about proteins and vitamins. Whom to follow? doctors or heart?
The other names given to this Angaalaparameswari are Puvanaeeaswari and Akilaandeswari….”puvanam” means in tamizh the world and “Akilam” also means the world….poomimaatha means in tamizh the “mother earth”.
Though i dont have time now to search the meaning of “Hariharan” the name…but my mind tells me this name has been formed from “Kum”ari” and Kum”aran”…..”ari” the female form and “aran” the male form….later on the sound “ha” added and it is spelt now as “Hariharan”…..the unity of the female and the male forms….another name the hindus knows the name of sivan is also “arthanaareeswarn”….Sivan and Parvati…..both have the same body…….here the inner meaning “water and fire” both dependant on each other…The foetus inside the womb needs both water and heat apart from air…..the day inside the womb “panikudam” this tamizh word means the “water vessel” (exact meaning) breaks the foetus would be in danger. kudam in tamizh means the veseel to store water and this “pani” here means also related to water and i find now the hindi word for water “paani” is living and makes me realise that it is actually a tamizh word in northern india…..
The other names given to this Angaalaparameswari are Puvanaeeaswari and Akilaandeswari….”puvanam” means in tamizh the world and “Akilam” also means the world….poomimaatha means in tamizh the “mother earth”.
Though i dont have time now to search the meaning of “Hariharan” the name…but my mind tells me this name has been formed from “Kum”ari” and Kum”aran”…..”ari” the female form and “aran” the male form….later on the sound “ha” added and it is spelt now as “Hariharan”…..the unity of the female and the male forms….another name the hindus knows the name of sivan is also “arthanaareeswarn”….Sivan and Parvati…..both have the same body…….here the inner meaning “water and fire” both dependant on each other…The foetus inside the womb needs both water and heat apart from air…..the day inside the womb “panikudam” this tamizh word means the “water vessel” (exact meaning) breaks the foetus would be in danger. kudam in tamizh means the vessel to store water and this “pani” here means also related to water and i find now the hindi word for water “paani” is living and makes me realise that it is actually a tamizh word in northern india..
“PANI” in tamizh is mist. “Paanakam” in tamizh is a kind of cool drink for refreshment made by adding jaggery, tamarind juice and lemon juice. So, this “pani” or “paanakam” both gives the meaning of “coolness” and when the hindi word for water “paani” can be spilited it is paan+neer.ie cool water. ..neer is again the tamizh name for water used in tulu language also. …during marriage ceremony “panneer” is used to sprinkle on the guest in tamizhnadu while entering the marriage hall, this paneer is called in english as rose water. So, among so many names for water in tamizh “THANEER” is presently used and another name is “PANEER”…which is shortened and named “pani” in northern india….”both “PAN” and “THAN” would mean then the “cooling effect” in tamizh.
“Ankaala” paramaeeswari it is not Angaala.
Tamil actor Vijay is gathering his fans to fight against the evil minded sri lankans who are killing mercilessly the tamizhian fishermen (they had killed already thousands..countless so far)…the noble act of him would be surely get noticed by all and other actors belong to various states of india in tamizh nadu would also come forward to speak in support of tamizhians we hope…what is the use of acting here in tamizh film most of them do not know how to talk tamizh ..they only depend on the dubbing artist and earn lakhs here….if the whole film fraternity of india come forward to help and stop the killings of tamizhians then we would be grateful forever….there has been a strong relationship between tamizh and hindi film so far…one of the tamizh banner “Gemini” has been promoting and giving chances to so many hindi actors in the past most of them well known personalities…tamizh films were re-made in hindi..and later on hindi films were also dubbed in tamizh also….keeping in mind this cordial relationship between this two film industries and the actors of the old world fame should come together and save the tamizhians of sri lanka and the fishermen of tamizh nadu (india)….we shall be grateful to them all forever…May all the holiest spirits come down on earth and bless the suffering humanbeings at the earliest…..
By showing “sympathy” and “friendly attitude” towards non-tamizhians in general, the tamizhians are not getting anything good results in return. The north indian government it is not “indian Govt” truly, by showing its step-motherly attitude towards the srilankan tramizhians it has proved now that they are “HEARTLESS” and they support always the killings of tamizhians there in Ilankai. It also proves they are treating tamizhians very cheap and it also proves they are all selfish.
Sad stories have no end at all. Since aryan invasion, this has been the case so far. Exploitation would continue.
we are left alone.
todays teenage boys and girls like to chat in english so fastest and be in drugs..their stylish manthiram..:)..they dont care about tamizh and humiliate others when they talk in tamizh, our mother tongue…club and pub culture is spreading….they are in need of peace so goes to ashrams but in reality they have all the peaceful manthirams written in ancient tamizh literary works but they neglect them and follow ashram culture instead…ancient tamizh sages spent their life in kutil(hut)…with greenery around and they had been following discipline and they were serving the humans…but today no one is serving but make others slaves mainly drug addicts…white money or black money…..black hearts!!!!! …..colour so divine outside but dirty mind and foul thoughts inside…..whats the use????? this is what todays world!!!
First of all, i would like to reveal some facts, there are so many fake, fradulent, ominous swamis and sanyasis in india who not only cheating indian people but also foreigners, so do not fall prey to such worst wild animals. In the market, there are CDs available to teach about yokam (yoga) and meditation. They can buy these cds and learn, make a group and practice at home or choose any bigger hall in the city and follow. There is no need for an instructor.
I would also check up all who attend fake swamis, why they are following them especially teenage girls and women, investigation must start from today onwards. What kind of problems they have at home or in office, a “councelling centre” may please be opened and their grievances may please be explored and advise may please be given at the earliest. Who are the fake sage, find out and what is his background and how much wealth he has accumulated so far and what kind of transaction they have, do they have proper account? how much they charge to teach yoga and meditation classes? It would be helpful for both india and foreign coutries to stop such crooked guys, they are blooming day by day. These decayed roots should be eradicated from the society. I find these days “yoga” is taken as an easy tool to get name and fame and for easy money. There are so many mysteries lying behind these evil humans. Just explore them at once.
First of all, i would like to reveal some facts, there are so many fake, fradulent, ominous swamis and sanyasis in india who not only cheating indian people but also foreigners, so do not fall prey to such worst wild animals. In the market, there are CDs available to teach about yokam (yoga) and meditation. They can buy these cds and learn, make a group and practice at home or choose any bigger hall in the city and follow. There is no need for an instructor.
I would also check up all who attend fake swamis, why they are following them especially teenage girls and women, investigation must start from today onwards. What kind of problems they have at home or in office, a “councelling centre” may please be opened and their grievances may please be explored and advise may please be given at the earliest. Who are the fake sage, find out and what is his background and how much wealth he has accumulated so far and what kind of transaction they have, do they have proper account? how much they charge to teach yoga and meditation classes? It would be helpful for both india and foreign coutries to stop such crooked guys, they are blooming day by day. These decayed roots should be eradicated from the society. I find these days “yoga” is taken as an easy tool to get name and fame and for easy money. There are so many mysteries lying behind these evil humans. Just explore them at once.
First of all, i would like to reveal some facts, there are so many fake, fradulent, ominous swamis and sanyasis in india who not only cheating indian people but also foreigners, so do not fall prey to such worst wild animals. In the market, there are CDs available to teach about yokam (yoga) and meditation. They can buy these cds and learn, make a group and practice at home or choose any bigger hall in the city and follow. There is no need for an instructor. A true and genuine person may please be appointed to teach them all.
I would also want the police officials to check up all who attend fake swamis, why they are following them especially girls and women, investigation must start from today onwards. What kind of problems they have at home or in office, a “councelling centre” may please be opened and their grievances may please be explored and advise may please be given at the earliest. Who are the fake sage, find out and what is his background and how much wealth he has accumulated so far and what kind of transaction they have, do they have proper account? how much they charge to teach yoga and meditation classes? It would be helpful for both india and foreign coutries to stop such crooked guys, they are blooming day by day. These decayed roots should be eradicated from the society. I find these days “yoga” is taken as an easy tool to get name and fame and for easy money. There are so many mysteries lying behind these evil humans. Just explore them at once.
First of all, i would like to reveal some facts, there are so many fake, fradulent, ominous swamis and sanyasis in india who not only cheating indian people but also foreigners, so do not fall prey to such worst wild animals. In the market, there are CDs available to teach about yokam (yoga) and meditation. They can buy these cds and learn, make a group and practice at home or choose any bigger hall in the city and follow. There is no need for an instructor. A true and genuine person may please be appointed to teach them all.
I would also want the police officials to check up all who attend fake swamis, why they are following them especially girls and women, investigation must start from today onwards. What kind of problems they have at home or in office, a “councelling centre” may please be opened and their grievances may please be explored and advise may please be given at the earliest. Who are the fake sage, find out and what is his background and how much wealth he has accumulated so far and what kind of transaction they have, do they have proper account? how much they charge to teach yoga and meditation classes? It would be helpful for both india and foreign coutries to stop such crooked guys, they are blooming day by day. These decayed roots should be eradicated from the society. I find these days “yoga” is taken as an easy tool to get name and fame and for easy money. There are so many mysteries lying behind these evil humans. Just explore them at once.
The meaning of Sage means the one who sacrifice everything all comforts of life and goes in search of God. He can remain without food for months, he does not need any help, he make himself mingle with a spiritual world. He does not like modern culture and want to be with pure thoughts and corruptless surroundings. Saivism tells that “kindness and mercy” towards all humanbeings and selfless attitude would only bring joy to all. When someone is attaching himself to a thought and path which he thinks that is everything for him he wont treat anyone human. A true sage never wants money. Tamizh literature has in it still the mysteries but today no one want to give the importance it deserves.
Bangalore (karnataka) is usually the place for operating their head office. Nithyananda and sri sri ravi shankar both have their head office or whatever there, vast areas occupied. Why karnataka govt. is providing them lands? What kind of plan they have for future? Why india is silent about these fake swamis? what is kalki bhagwaan doing these days? Whe he is not still arrested? It is sin to make the people dwell with drugs. Who are the people supplying drugs to these swamis? from which country? Only “nigieria” is always in the news. Is there any other country passing drugs to these hooligans? How do they set up their offices in cities like bangalore, haridwar or any other place in tamizhnadu? Are they having connection with the ministers ruling if yes then who is restricting the police officials from doing their job? How much money transaction or corruption is playing the role with these fake swamis and govt., officials? We guess the politicians are responsible for entertaining these gundaas in india. Unless there is reformation and awareness among people NOTHING CAN BE DONE. How many secrets are hiding behind bad politicians, we the people are still INNOCENT.
Tamil should be included in cbse schools.students should learn Tamil like Sanskrit in cbse schools.It is very unfair that central government has not recognized Tamil like Sanskrit even though classical language status is given to Tamil.It is the only way that Every Indian people from other states can know the beauty and richness of Tamil.It is a shame that Tamil students studying in cbse schools not even know how to read and write Tamil.
selfish and most of all the proudy and artificial and money minded tamizhians would be definitely the reason for making this language “Tamizh” vanish away from this earth. So far, it has been facing lots and lots of humiliation in the heart of india i mean the north india itself and i wonder why she is tolerating everything even now? and…. when everyone would come to know about the exact nature of its past, sadly it wont survive. Not only she was facing the wrath of the nature but also man-made destructions and everyone was trying their best to destroy her. She was tolerating, it shows her “humility” only. If colour is the only reason for all to abolish her and torment her, then why did she come to this world? who sent her after all? For what? by the way, facing death by immersing into the water is the best death and end. No pain!!!! Kanyakumari is still alive.
yes it is really a matter of seriousness, tamizh is not receiving its recognition it deserves. Tamizhians should feel shameful about not exploring tamizh their mother tongue.
the majority of people of india would accept tamizh but not the minority brahmins..so it is waste of time sadly but it is the truth which you should accept :)
if they are not caring about tamizh then it would mean that they are digging their own graves….the rest of the world would one day treat our emotions as “self-pity”. We are responsible for our mistakes. All this happens because we are soft-hearted and easy going attitude.
by adding strong tone to most of all the tamizh words, the people who created sanskrit are guiltlessly humiliating the ancient language tamizh…though most of all the elderly knowledgable brahmins knew the truth, we can not blame the younger generations(brahmins) whose mother tongue is sanskrit by nature…only by explantions by exploring each word we can make them understand and reveal the truth and facts which are HIDDEN….only when they know the secrets of the ancient period which are almost changed, they would accept the real facts….selfless attachment to this glorious and evergreen language tamizh would bring happiness to all the people…becos tamizh is a great ocean which has in it.. lots and lots of mysteries which are to be explored still unexplored…there is a need…each word, each sentence, each stanza have in them spirituality and lessons to lead the life and tell us about this earth…..today the younger generations are not interested in knowing the ancient tamizh life and culture and follow the modern culture which is tenseful and problematic there is a really “threat” to this tamizh language which may definitely disappear from this world anytime….it is in our hand to save this language at the earliest….
tamil is oldest living language
Tamil people is cheated People
yes we are…and this cruel custom “CASTEISM” would make this tamizh people fight with other and die…”EGO CLASH”…casteism was introduced only to make the people fight with each other and die….cunningly created custom still ALIVE…
You are the only one who would wholeheartedly accept the reality it is because you are from a place full of divine nature and most of all you are good hearted. Thanks a lot… but in reality no one comes here to accept the facts especially from india because they are all narrow minded people and they worship the woman goddess with pomp and gaiety. Most of them for pride, some for survival, some for making the affected ones the slaves and some for ruling and some for monetary gains and some for getting vicarious pleasure of tormenting the woman so chaste TAMIZH. How long she is going to tolerate is the question now to be answered.
The whole universe would accept this fact that tamizh is the oldest one, but not the central govt. and not the “selfish” north indians. (some of them may accept)
kiran dont you know this world is a treacherous one. Dont ever expect anything from anyone from now onwards. understood!!!! Already poisonous and filthy and dirty fishes are in the crystal clear pond, so dont try to clean this up. U should never go near. You get that or not.
I am not answering kiran, the actress who expose a lot in tamizh films :) She already gone into the dirty mud, this is for innocent kirans who are still unspoiled and truly innocent and not so greedy for money and fame. :)
tamil and sanskrit are the oldest languageand it is proved.. there is no need to include other languages… all other south indian languages were derived from tamil. all the rulers of tamil(pandya,pallava,chola) ruled from maharashtra border to down south… most hindu temples in bangalore and neighbouring districts were build by chola’s… Even the tirupathi temple is belived have been build by a pandava king. The inscriptions were in tamil which were overwritten again in other language…
thanks a lot for the information suganya dear…it seems that sincere efforts to abolish tamizh had been the routine job of the people since ages…hihihi….i know tamizhians had the habit of building everything and later on had to leave it to the people who invaded…they had been like this so far…foolish people….they had been working hard in sri lanka and it was their country once upon a time and now even they have no place in the natural ocean to catch fish also….they have border in the ocean itself now…they can not cross it…..when can these tamizhians become egyptians revolutionist to fight against atrocities…..unless and until the indian governement and the whole of india raise their voice to support tamizhians …the cruelty of sri lankans against tamizhians would continue…the sri lankans are believed to have captured the country sri lanka and their native state is BIHAR in india…because in bihar only buddhism had started and sri lanka is a buddhist country….today in tirupur(tamizh nadu) 90%biharis are given job …i dunno when are they going to capture the city tirupur????….the tamizhians know how to build but they dont know how to PROTECT…..the very truth….difficult to digest…..
Buddism means once upon a time non-violence, and flawless love towards animals and fellow human beings but after seeing the massacre of tamizhians and cruelty shown towards them..its clear that the sri lankans are not following the concepts and not ready to follow the inner meaning of buddism which came into existance opposing the sacrifice of innocent animals for the welfare of the country or the people whatever…foolishness!!!!… no matter who is staying and settling? but the matter is who is ruling us in our own home commanding us and evicting us forcibly??? humans are in general very very merciless…they do not follow their religion with discipline…they read each line of what is written but not follow or practice the good morals…artificial world….it is better not to read but follow what our good conscience teach us…..save the time and be good…
by the way which is the relgion that is following its true concepts which is man-made in nature??…. is there a need for religion? why religion is needed? why do we want to divide ourselves in the name of religion?…all the relgion has divided the people in the name caste…then what kind of glory or fame they boast about????
Buddism means once upon a time non-violence, and flawless love towards animals and fellow human beings but after seeing the massacre of tamizhians and cruelty shown towards them..its clear that the sri lankans are not following the concepts and not ready to follow the inner meaning of buddism which came into existance opposing the sacrifice of innocent animals for the welfare of the country or the people whatever…foolishness!!!!… no matter who is staying and settling? but the matter is who is ruling us in our own home commanding us and evicting us forcibly??? humans are in general very very merciless…they do not follow their religion with discipline…they read each line of what is written but not follow or practice the good morals…artificial world….it is better not to read but follow what our good conscience teach us…..save the time and be good…
by the way which is the relgion that is following its true concepts which is man-made in nature??…. is there a need for religion? why religion is needed? why do we want to divide ourselves in the name of religion?…most of all the relgions have divided the people in the name caste…then what kind of glory or fame they boast about????
Atlast, i realise there is no need for religion. We can still follow the discipline with good conscience. There is no need for a book to tell you how to shed tears for the orphans and the needy. It is your heart only tells you to do the action. Your brain guides you always. Do we need set of doctrines to teach us how to lead our life? I dont think so. My intution tells me to follow an invisible power which only is granting all kinds of our prayers. We are told from childhood to do or follow a faith thats why we are adamant and attach ourselves so madly. Destiny is already written for each person, he can not at any cost change it. Once written..written. Just face it, thats my point. Before reaching graveyard i would like to have some more revelations about this earth if the Supreme Power allows me to have the truth. I would be grateful and shall be the “blessed one”. I would be satisfied to have all the secrets with myself. “tranquilty” would prevail with me when i would be shown all the secrets and miracles of this world. I myself would try with my inner strength.
The united dravidans of india, the tamizans and biharis found different roots and parted because of new religions and their oldest culture and language got damaged and we see them today in a different way….the most affected one here is the language tamizh and their way of worship and their life….”no one knows what is the meaning of the word ancient and the word humanity”.
not only grabbing of land was the reason but there was a fight between buddha and sivan…so two different faith had to face the problems. Here sivan was not a human but nature only.
We are slowly losing our identity to the north Hindi speaking people as well. Recently i had been to kanchipuram temple, most of the Tamizh inscription was painted with Sanskrit and Hindi lettering to mask tamizh. Earlier stones were sculptured with Sanskrit and Hindi letters to prove to the next generation as if these languages existed even up to Kanchipuram. No wonder it happens outside like Thirupathi.
No one knows the fact that Tamizh is the mother so chaste……She is a woman so chaste thats why she is suffering..She had been suffering since creation and still suffering and she needs help…when she does not tolerate she should get away from all the sin of this world and be calm and composed.
A special team of police officials should be formed to see how much we are exploited by these brahmins and north indians. These days, north indian gangs are in chennai indulging in illegal activities. Bad elements from outside of chennai should be warned and made to get out of our place. We can still keep the unique peaceful atmosphere which was kept carefully by us all in tamizhnadu. A special team should also be appointed to see how tamizh girls are forced to do prostitution in what way they are lured, how much north indian rich families are sending these girls and women to brothels, just “rapid action” is needed. Mainly the railway stations, airports and bus stands are the places to be watched closely. Bad guys from north india cities like mainly bihar, punjab, bhopal are increasing day by day. Without knowing our tamizh how these guys are interacting with people and what are their ways of communicating with the local public. FIND OUT THIS. Make all the illiterate girls educated at once and make them aware of gundaas and rowdies.
Guys from bihar with duplicate certificates were arrested 8 months before, they are getting education in tamizhnadu, this is a serious crime. Who is culprit who is sending them in and who are helping them inside, The police officials should be cautious always to identify these groups. Wherever biharis or north indian students are staying in tamizhnadu, we should check up whether they are having original school certificates or not? They should not get education here. They would corrupt the discipline of our tamizhian guys also. Short cut methods should not be allowed here, it would damage the moral character of our students. We are already cheated as far as land, language and identity are concerned. We are the worst affected here begging the central govt. to help us.
Some months before north indian students staying in mugapair area, chennai had to receive a notice from the mugapair police station for playing loud music that became continuous nuisance for the tenants. Wherever these people they always create commotion, no one should copy them especially tamizhians. We should create peaceful atmosphere. We should not allow total damage on our traditional culture by north indians. Enough!!!!!
The UN should intervene immediately to warn the srilankans who grabbed our land ILANKAI and also KACCHA THEEVU, the name itself tells that they are PURELY TAMIZH.
whether south indian or north indian, east indian, or west indian a criminal is a crimnal.
and these innocent girls and women of tamiznadu would be sent to the state called MAHARASHTRA, the final destination. Shameless people eating the money got from selling innocent hearts.
when we are losing our identity to the brahmins of tamizhnadu and suffering, the matter of “north india” is not a matter now. The brahmins by entering into the temples and occupying them wholly and by telling dhosams,parihaarams, ragu and ketus and cheat the people and also changed the names of tamizh people, because we have the habit of inviting them to name the children and they would give you the list of sanskrit names for new born children, this way we have lost our identity here in tamizhnadu and “thiru” the pure tamiz title is not being used and “shri” is being used everywhere. I think the whole non-brahmins of india after reading this would come to know about these “silent criminals” to abolish tamizh and also tamizhians. Inciting. incitiing and murdering. The majority of them are against tamizhians so we can not expect them to talk well of us. Traitors in our home land enjoying our hard work.
As i said earlier, there should be a discussion about brahmins who invaded india and how they are crazy about land and property and also how much they have been and still are dominating tamizhians and how much they have introduced countless gods to cheat the innocent people to grab their money. Where there is ignorance and innocence there would be always “evil hearts” to grab the opportunity. Today is a modern world with computers, satelites, mobiles and new inventions, but sadly, how people are still exploited, the credit should go to the brahmins for capturing the “INNOCENT BRAINS” of people to rule. When famous film actors of tamizhnadu are supporting the hindu rituals “poojas” still, the fans as well as who admire them would be continualy exploited. Generaly, Tamizhians even after having talent have proved that they are “emotional idiots”. Who is coming to reform these people in future, someone should come, MIRACLE should happen. I hate idiot tamzhians and also supersticious matters though i know that “something” is operating this whole earth.
may be tamizhnadu is their target. Ilankai is already captured, kaccha theevu also. Newspapers are telling that chinese guys were present in srilankan ships near rameswaram (tn) and also in kacchatheevu when the St.Anthony’s church festival was held recently. What do they want from us all? Everyone has a home of their own they can go back to. If they are aiming tamizhnadu then it would mean the present day “buddha” the god of chinese is going to torture tamizhians. Sivan, the nature concept is already crucified by the aryans, the remaining little bit culture and customs are also in danger. What to do? let us all make a plunge into the ocean and die.
the aryans from the state ancient “Haryana” are doing excellent job. I think it was Ariyanam, “kurushetra” was “kuruchathiram” and “harappan” was “arappan”. Because we we here “ara” and “appan”. Ara is kumran and Appan is sivan. So, it proves we had been living in those areas once upon a time. The harayana people are fond of curd. butter and milk even today. They are crazy about milk products. Brahmins of india especially tamizhnadu are also fond of milk products. it proves they had come from “haryana” and “punjab”. Punjabis are also giving importance to buttermilk, cheez and butter. So, the “invasion” is not a matter of mystery and question mark. But, now the culture has faced a lot of changes in tamizhnadu and in neighbouring states because of inter-caste marriages. The only thing now is to live together happily with peace, do not hurt the emotions of people. God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent. Love is religion.
Though the Aryan tribes in the Indian subcontinent called their land Arya varta or Aryan expanse / Aryan land. But, when the ancient Persians lived in the Inner Asian Steppes and moved south into today’s Iran, they named the place Airyanem Vaejah, or The Iranian Expanse, and today the word survives as Iran.
So, it is clear in the ancient period the name of state Haryana was “ARIYANAM” a pure tamizh name, which the persians called or named the place as ‘AIRYANEM”. Just like we have cities in ilankai “YAAZHPAANAM”, “THIRIKONA(M)MALAI and in tamizhnadu “KUMPAKONAM, CHITAMPARAM”, we can see here the relation these cities have with “ARIYANEM”. So, “invasion of people from places???? had entered into the region occupied by tamizhians, the thravidans.
Aran in Tamil means safeguarding or giving protection, normally the Kingโs place that protects its people, It includes, the fort and gives the protection to the kingdom and its people in times of war. Aran also generally means the task of protection in Tamil.(taken from net)
Kum”aran” that is the God or protector of water just like kum”ari”. May be in ancient time the name of present “haryana” was “arinaamam” (naamam means the name or the glory) or “ariyaanam” which the invaders had changed. The present day symbol “naamam” many people wear on forehead tells us that antiquity of the word “naamam” (outer white line and red line in the middle indicating only both trees banyan and ash of wood apple leaves) This place “ariyanam” was indeed a place of king and his palace whose people worshipped “kumaran” or “murukan”.
In rameswaram also i have seen so many constructions with hindi names, it seems they would make in future tamizhnadu not a south indian region but north indian region. By telling or using the name of “Rama”, they are occuping the areas near rameswaram, their aim is to spread hindi. I think they are all “slow poison”. They gradually and silently grabbing the places like maarwaris who have taken the whole of paris corner or sowkaar pet. I got the news from a grocery shop owner, that they have occupied the areas from sowkaar pet to veperi, the broadway area and also almost all slum areas. Maduravayal, anna nagar,mogapair areas are to be checked. The poor people should not sell their land to these maarwaris when they offer higher amount for their property. This way we can regulate them. how do they operate let me tell you…they first of all search all the slum areas full of poverty and open their pawn shops and then by lending money they lure the poor people and then they slowly extract the details about the poor people their problems, their decisions regarding selling property, jewels etc. etc. and then they get the idea and they buy their lands and build the constructions. in future, this city “chennai” would be called a “a little rajasthan”. Where would we tamizhians go? Exploitation everywhere.
heard this from a rajasthani in train who was not a marwari.
JAHAN MAALGAADI NAHI PAHOONCHTHA, WAHAN MAARWAARI PAHOONCH JAATA HAI.
It means, where a vehicle full of goods can not reach even, these maarwaris enter very easily.
I think “poverty” is still alive in tamizhnadu, thats why they are exploited. The government should take prompt actions to remove poverty from the state. Also, please you the tamizhians should not allow any north indian to exploit you. This is very very IMPORTANT.
What is the reason for poverty? why do we have still slum areas? what is the problem with poor people? is it because the guys are vistiing liquor shops? If they chase liquor shops then why dont we have counselling centres for them also? We should have medical centres also to make them aware of the ill effects of liquor consumption. Register may please kept in the shops how much money they are spending for liquor monthly data should be kept, the address and family details should also be gathered. Explore the families. Count the bottles a guy buy each month. women are suffering in their families and that makes them keep their property and jewels even “thaali” (mankala soothiram) the sacred thread which is the symbol to show they are married with maarwaaris. Can anyone give advise how to tackle this type of problems the slum people face? All of you people exploit tamizhian familes should show sympathy from now on. DO NOT EXPLOIT US.
40% of north indians even now think all the thravidans are born for brothels. this is the great truth!!!!
did you notice the soul of sankararaaman there or not?….the people who killed him are roaming around freely..they can bribe the judge and escape…because they are all Gods in india. It proves those who commit crime directly are suffering and those who commit crime so silently, indirectly are enjoying. This is what india…and they talk about corruption and abolition of corruption….hihihihihi. :) when Anna was expecting his results hindu god gave money to the judge. :)
Giving space for sanskrit in tamizh lyrics would mean that they are again trying their best to abolish it. Thats why i made a point earlier not to allow them. It is like “stealthily entering” by winning the hearts and kill the people to send them to the graveyard. You dont know actually what they have in their mind, they want to kill the “mother”., SO, efforts are still ON. hmmmm….very very cunning indeed!!!!
The temple city Thirupathi had gone to the State Andhrapradesh after partition. The name of this city itself tells that it is purely a tamizh name. “thiru” pathi, the title. I think the name wont be changed. Thank God it is not “shripathi”.
Where is the idol murukan in thirupathi temple? what happened? when did they remove and where they have kept the idol which was made by a tamizh sitthar with 9 chemicals. When was the idol vishnu installed there, it proves they hate murukan but they are chanting in tamizhnadu kanthan chachtee kavacham, very funny!!! chameleons.
this particular idol made of nine chemicals (nava paasaanam) can cure so many ailments so, find out where they have kept this idol murukan. :) keep this idol atleast in the museum if not in the temple. Let them keep their vishnu with them. :)
i got news on net that egyptians had landed in kaayalpatinam (tamizh nadu) before 5000 years old for transaction of goods and their culture had already mixed up with dravidians and today the muslims of kaayalpatinam have in them the egyptian’s blood also, it is clear then before that also the tamizhian culture was alive, how many times should we write that tamizh is beyond antiquity, when the sanskritists could not found words for mother and father and borrowed or taken the tamizh names shortened then the matter should be OVER…..”NEXT TO GOD STAND THE PARENTS”….whatever words they have created later on should not be taken for argument……i think there would be no end to this debate..i dunno why…but this blog makes me stay here….its because some people are trying to murder the culture and tradition of tamizhians, humiliate them and dig the mud and push it and seal it forever and close and lock the gate of the graveyard forever…….it should not happen becos by intuition we know that we had a great historical past and friendly relations with all the people of this world….only we are not getting the recognition which we deserve….our emotional attachment with our past makes us all stay here i suppose…..
kaayalpatinam muslims are having ancient tamizh words with them. Lets make a dictionary using those words. Immediate action may please be taken. Recent documentary news tells me that they are living peacefully and they have the ancient culture with them still. Let us learn from them how to live peacefully and unitedly.
Dear Mr.Girish,
According to Archeologist, Tamil is 2300 year old according to Adichanallur burried urns and Kannada is 1600 year old according to Mysore urns.This discovery is going on.so don’t give wrong information here.
@Kumaran, & othera Tamil people not give wrong information, I think ur all u only tamil History but u dont other langauge Historys so first go to see the other langauge Historys, indian old language Not only tamil u got it ,,,,,,,,,Kannada,sanskrit,Devanagari,brahmi, thos also old langauge in india u no Sanskrit use tha script that is Devanagari script tamil also suport this Script got it, then ones agine dont telling stupid type, go to Sleep………………..
kanyakumari was sleeping yes, but you only made her wake up!!!! thanks for stimulating her brain. BLESSING IN DISGUISE. Every deed of human is having something deep meaning i suppose. And also every deed should be having JUSTICE, then only we can make the world understand, i said in the beginning pen is mightier than sword, but sometimes poor people had to cross because of INJUSTICE done to them.
kanyakumari was sleeping yes, but you only made her wake up!!!! thanks for stimulating her brain. BLESSING IN DISGUISE. Every deed of human is having something deep meaning i suppose. And also every deed should be having JUSTICE, then only we can make the world understand, i said in the beginning pen is mightier than sword, but sometimes poor people had to cross because of INJUSTICE done to them.
i appreciate your talent of mimicry of kannada people …because you observed their mannerism very well….u say i am with “mono acting”..and i realise now only you came using different names only to explore me…but you should accept the fact that my emotions were purely genuine. if you say the whole media is watching then i should say that they whole media was watching the comments of two fools and the third one the priest :) blood was boiling, heart was beating up, tears rolled down….purely action packed journey….i thought i was duped…but i believe “blessing in disguise” for so many…God bless me now…. If the comments of two fools if bring “spring season” for all then Almighty would also feel so happy along with us.
@ Kumaran ur information is worng my information is 101% right bcoz mysore urs is small Empires in karnataka not old Empires
u no oldest Kannada Empires see here Kadambas,Hoysalas,Chalukyas,Rastrakutas, & finaly Vijayanagara Empires,ruled from north Uttarprdesh gujarat border & south tamilnadu madurai to down this all Big Empires in India this is all Kannadigas Empires go to saerch google, then ( Tippu sultan,Mysuru hodeyars,Chitradurga Nayakas,keladi Chennamma,Gaggaru,Bijapura Sultanaru,Hydarabad nijamaru, Thay are small Empires in Karunadu Means Karnataka )
โGodavarind Kaveri varag Pasarisida Nadiduve Karunad โ
Means Godavari to Kavery living to people that is Kannada people…………………….go it Mr.Kumaran u no more information go to contact ” Bharatiya Baasha Samshodana Kendra ” & ” Kannada & Samskruthi Elakey ” ok first u stop the give worng information
I dont want to go to the beginning again and tell the past or the origin of tamizh….marriages happened and happens between kannada and marathi people…its common because of migration of marathi people to karanataka long time back…in tanjore district (tamizh nadu), long time back marathi brahmins settled and marathi kings ruled tamizh nadu for long and they are now speaking tamizh very well and non-brahmin marathis get married to tamizhians also….its common….as i said earlier every language has its own charm and its near to heart always…but when we talk about the formation of world languages the root words are here in ancient tamizh dictionary….most of all words from tamizh…the first letter or the last letter changed according to the facility of the people of different countries of this world. Dravida language means it does not have the prounciation such as ja, gha, fa and bha…only because of sanskrit mixture they had changed…i think a impartial approach towards the tamizh language would clear all doubts….anyhow no one would try this out!!!….well!! i would think about or explore about some other words which got twisted in the past….i dunno why no one is accepting the truth!!!!…may be skin colour of tamizh people….hmmmm…very difficult to survive….
Kannada is oldest language in india ( Sanscrit & Tamil also old ) & very very most beautiful language….. all indian languages take the scripts suport of sanskrit & Devanagari include tamil also but ” Kannada language script is own script ” kannada is 2500 years above old language.
Only Hindi north indian Language But South indian language is Kannada………bcz most of people speak to Kannada in south india maharashtra 40% people know kannada & tamilnadu 100 tamil people in 10 kannada people here in tamilnadu most of iyengar brahmins know kannad & keral kasargudu 80% kannada & You no 150 year back maharashtra people speak to kannada this is teling in Balagangadara tilak than telugu mother language is Kannada………
Its totally wrong………….see the history once again
@Kiran, What r u telling stupid type, u see the history once again What is Wrong, This is all Real Real Real u no Kannadigas History Kannadigas History is Big but not show this india bcoz jealousy, u no Kadambas,Hoysalas,Chalukyas,Rastrakutas, & finaly Vijayanagara Empires,ruled from north Uttarprdesh gujarat border & south tamilnadu madurai to down this all Big Empires in India this is all Kannadigas Empires go to saerch google, then ( Tippu sultan,Mysuru hodeyars,Chitradurga Nayakas,keladi Chennamma,Gaggaru,Bijapura Sultanaru,Hydarabad nijamaru, Thay are small Empires in Karunadu Means Karnataka )
“Godavarind Kaveri varag Pasarisida Nadiduve Karunad ”
Means Godavari to Kavery living to people that is Kannada people
People have the habit of putting their feet on the affected one and suppressing them and dominating them and ruling them it has been so far the routine job of the people so arrogant. I dont know how far tamizhians are going to fight. We tamizhians do not go to different countries to rule them and destroy them. We have been so far following our old world tradition and culture and our attachment to our ancient thoughts are the reasons why we are still tolerant. Whatever may be the truth about the ancient nature worship, i found only 5 elements have been worshipped and given space in the tamizh literature. If kannada has its original dictionary full of strong tones, then it would mean that the sanskritist have taken all the strong tones from them only. I found total hatredness here on this blog against tamizh and tamizhians so far, no one give importance to the “emotions” mainly. Indians and especially people with narrow mind should change their attitude.
good memory power!!!!
It would be painful, dont do that. No flashback!!!!
In sanskrit, the names given to mother and father is “mata” and “pita”…these names were formed from the tamizh words “mariyata” (one of the names given to “the women goddess” (water) and “pitthar” (one of the names given to the “male God” Sivan (the banyan tree). Pitthar in tamizh means the one who with mad behaviour…we can very well see the Agori Baba of Kasi (india) look like a mad person who is a “LIVING BANYAN TREE”…they are “the north indian Sivan Adiyaars” disciplies of Sivan…so ancient characters…..so, tamizh is beyond antiquity…and every language of this world is fully divine and beautiful and everyone should feel proud about his mother language…..am in a hurry…..shall come later on….
Here, the pitthar is not Sivan the Lord, but the banyan tree with its spreaded rope like roots, when it was swaying in the air, it inspired the ancient people and they also began to copy this tree with open hair. “Pitthu” in tamizh means “madness” and “pittham” in tamizh means a kind of acid (amilam) that makes the person’s brain to behave differently and abnormally. “pitthar” means a mad person in tamizh, so “pita” the sanskrit word, the name for Father has been formed and spelt in english language as “Father”.
“Pirati” in tamizh means the princess or sister, an old form….chinna pirati means the younger princess or sister and periya pirati means the elder one the princess or the sister. So, it is clear, the word “braatah” in sanskrit it is for “brother” has been formed from the word “pirati” by adding “bha” sound to it. “tambiran” means the younger brother in tamizh….may be this “biran” was the root for “brother” gone from sanskrit or from tamizh??? God only knows. He never comes down, still a mystery!!!! He is giving us all the job..hard work and application of brain..all is well that ends well!!!!
sanskrit is older than tamizh and ya, tamizh oru azhagana mozhi but we cant ask the whole country to learn tamizh, its one thing that is impossible.. sad truth…
It looks like that you “make the child sleep at the same time pinch also”…..thotilla aativittu pillaiya killaathe. Mother can only make the child sleep.
Tamilnadu is the only state where all the religions are given due respect.Karnataka has lost this fame after BJP came to power.One good example is sri ram sena.Look out for headlines they will create during valentines day.Religious parties like BJP should not be allowed to enter tamilnadu.Otherwise Tamilnadu will become like Godhra and Ayodhya.Anti-Hindi campaign should be continued to stop religious parties like BJP and vishwa hindu parishad entering Tamilnadu.It will be possible only if Tamizans patriotism towards Tamil increases more and more.
These days they are showing much interest in tamizhnadu and show their concern about ilankai (srilankan) tamizhians and tamizhnadu fishermen, suddenly, attraction towards tamizhnadu, all chasing money and power, after they occupy the seats they will talk about “Ram mandhir”, i want to know now why King Ravan was killed? His sister only expressed her love for laxman brother of ram, what is her mistake after all? So, ILANKAI was their target always since days of Rama. Why did king. rama listen to the advise of cunning people. What happend to his wife sita after “agni pariksha”, soon after she was relieved from king raavan. Did not he have faith in sita? I think “sita” was forced to enter into the burning flame, it was “sati”. She was murdered and i know she was not a brahmin, only a woman belong to shatriya (warrier) family. King Rama had committed a crime of killing his wife. Foolish people. Why brahmins are always interested in killing non-brahmin girls and women??? Serious enquiry may be conducted, poor lady Sita.
you feel so helpless so we are also helpless…tamizh the priority…but because people are jobless here, they are in need of all the languages, what to do? you say that we can not express well, they should be good in english but you humiliate too..but tamizhnadu is the peaceful state (Hindi would create problems)..BUT also you feel so insecure…manam alai paainthu konde irukkirathu…i can understand….the vibrations of the mind…various moods, expressions varies, opinions differs….this or that…..now or never….to be or not to be….DOUBLE MIND….but you should understand we tamizans the good tamizhans are supporting all the good hearts…we dont show partiality. So, the only solution here is the north indian hearts should change their attitude and hearts and show love towards all the people. Humans are humans. Is it possible to change the hearts of north indians? What should the central govt. do? if you have opinions about reformation then you should try. We can surely make changes. May peace prevail everywhere!!!!!
Tamil is the most beautiful language in the world,it just flows like a river when you speak,the world should learn tamil and respect it.
Dear All,
Tamizh is the oldest ,classical and living language.It is far older not only to sanskrit but also to other word languages.We can even say that Tamizh is the first language originated .Most of the scholers call Tamizh as iyan Mozhi which meant natural language.Sanskrit chauvinist just created propaganda that sanskrit is oldest but the reality is that TAMIZH is incredible to believe its antiquity.Tamizh has impact on the vocabulary of all Indian languages as well as greek and latin.Tamizh is language for all category of humans that is the reason its influence went into length and breath of world languages.
dedicated son of tamizh…i mean “TAMIZH”….pronounce it correctly. :)
First of all the name “Tamilnadu” should be changed into “TAMIZHNADU”.
you should understand how cunningly they had changed the entire history to make the whole world believe that everything emerged from sanskrit….but we have still the full forms of everything even now and the sad truth most of tamizh literature destroyed so cunningly by so many only to send us all to this “hottest region” called tamiznadu..we are suffering.
some people from north India are finding it difficult when they come to Tamilnadu because of language problem.The only solution for this is Tamil should be declared as National language along with Hindi.There will be nothing wrong if people from other states learn Tamil in school level because Tamil is oldest language like Sanskrit.Tamil is like Elder brother to Hindi because Tamil is more than 2300 years old compared to Hindi which is 1000 years old.so people should forget their Ego,jeolous and learn Tamil.
IC :)
The comparison between Tamizh and sanskrit should be over. “Tamizh” is unique and because of it sanskrit emerged that too to abolish her. MIND THIS!!!! Here, the mother is tortured by her own kids.
First of all make all the vegetable vendors in BESANT NAGAR stop talking in hindi. Besant nagar is full of north indians. When would these people leave us all ALONE. They are chasing always. Make them all converse in tamizh. Immediate action may please be taken.
When we tamizhians go to delhi or any other state in north india we always converse in hindi, so why cant they talk in tamizh in tamizhnadu, dont they know that their hindi is formed taking words from ancient tamizh dictionary. I hope they would understand. Knowing hindi is not a blunder at all. But, our mother should also survive. :)
Tamizhnadu is presently a “mole” and central Govt. is “mountain” now,… dreams never comes true, but i like they way you dream, truly dedicated. I hope to see such “miracles” too in india before i die. :)
After death also we can see :)
Tamizhian should also learn English to express their views and emotions very clearly, tamizh is our mother but what about seeking knowledge? You also write and talk well in english but you write about the origin of tamizh, so do not tell tamizhians only to learn tamizh, they should be talented and reach everywhere. It is time now to open the outer skin of the cocoon and come out and fly and fly and spread the beautiful colours and discipined culture all over the world. We started from nature only, we worshipped only nature. sadly today we are not because of aryans. We tamizhians are not harming you, anyone in the past also. So leave the thoughts that tamizhians would become enemies. you are stil now watching how much “tolerant” we are. We have already lost our identity in our country. So, understand our emotions and help us all mainly the poor and the innocent.
dont be stupid tamil is the only language it equal to god i agree with nu kumaran
no brother sanskrit is the oldest language
clash of chemicals of brain plays vital role always. :)
gift of the modern world. machine makes all of us the mad people. Where are we going? Machines are operating humans. BEWARE!!!!!
Wherever “God” there would be “Satan” too, do not FORGET this. When “tamizh” was fully developed,…. from it only “sanskrit” emerged only to destroy it. UNDERSTAND this. “brightness” and “darkness” means here “goodness” and “evilness”. Life is all about “struggle”. Poisonous snakes are also worshipped in india, it is very very difficult to escape from this whole disaster. “Evil” is here to “stay”.
Should we be angry with God or not? Tell me prathi. I want to know the meaning of your name, let me also find out the connection it has with ancient tamizh…winks winks.
The meaning of “prathi” is the importance of fire. “Thee” in tamizh means fire. So, akkini, thee, neruppu, aNal, kanal and unknown ancient tamizh words have the meaning “fire”. I am happy you have a tamizh name so pure but looks like north indian name, :)
Prathi give us the meaning “the importance of fire”. Akkini, thee, neruppu, kanal, Anal, kari etc etc. so, thanks for keeping that name full of fire.
just like “prathi” “pradeepa” is also from the tamizh name “pratheepam”, “theepam” means the ignited fire again. “aarti” this name also has “thee” in it. “karthi” also would also mean the fire lit during rainy season as “kar” means “rain” in tamil also.
yes it is equal to God thats why it is suffering. Satan is not a fool to remain silent. The fight would continue it seems.
Telugu and Kannada people are not accepting the fact that Tamil is the oldest language in India.Particularly Telugu people will say Telugu is spoken by most people than Tamil and carnatic music was founded by them.These are all stupid points for oldest language status.Carnatic music was founded by Telugu people but Tamils had given life to carnatic music.One good example is Music composer Ilayaraja for whose tune Telugu people has shaken their head.Illayaraja songs in swathi muthyam and geethanjali in telugu are hit songs.so tamil people will always be one step ahead in all the fields compared to others because they belong to sindhu civilization.
Teluguites are talented people too, but they are always incited to say against or do against tamizhians , you know who the people behind. They made them worship vishnu, victory for them, Thanks a lot now science blog i am not crack headed now. I also visit temples sometimes with friends and in-laws, but my mind and thoughts always about nature especially oceans and waters and falls. :)
can anyone make tunes like ilayaraja? They say that he belongs to the backward community. i am asking the people who call themselves the superior one in tamizhnadu…can they sing like ms subbulakshmi, according to them she belongs to devadaasi paramparai…she was the winner of “bharat ratna” award the first one to receive in the musical field.. can any brahman build a temple like meenatchi or sankaran kovil or like thanjavur periyakoil, the prakatheeswaran temple or rameswaram temple? there are so many grand temples built by thravidans of tamizhnadu, enchanting beauty!!!! Yes!!!! thravidans are born for hardwork. The whole temples of india are only because of “thravidans”.
i give importance to the ancient temples only…not the modern one with selfish aim to mint money again…but purely artificial built with white modern cement and modern bricks.
we should go back to the ancient period to know about the origin of carnataka music. As bharatanaatyam is full of movements of hands and feet (natanam), there was a need for music also. I need rest for my brain. :)
Tamil language is the oldest and mother to all other indian Dravidian languages
ya u r correct……..
tamil is the phonotic language…..
mother to all languages.
chokkalingam means the “shining linkam”..in hindi they have the word “jyothir lingam” again :”chothi” the tamizh word was the reason to make “jyoti”. “chokkal” would mean the shining kal, the shining stone. The english word “jewel” has been formed from “chokkal”. “ucchuvaalai” means the burning flame..Chuvaalai and jewel have similarities.
like the burning flame the jewels are also shining so, chuaalai (chudum+ alai..the wave that is full of heat) is the reason for the word jewel.
Tamil is the Oldest and living language of India and the world..!!
In tamizh we say “appa” for father, in english language “pope” means “father”..this word “pope” formed from the word “appa”…in urdu language “appa” is “abba”…in tamizh “amma” “annai” or “ammai” or “ammayi” means mother…in urdu it is “ammi”…we dont have enough time to explore each word to prove the connection between tamizh and the world culture and tradition… there has been a strong relationship between the tamizh culture and the christian culture and the doctrines and morals written in tamizh literature has relationship with the christian morals…the only thing now is tamizh is not given its due respect because of partiality of white skinned people of india…it is the tragedy…it is making us struggle to prove the ancient facts…I must thank this blog for allowing me write my opinions and pass some messages for the whole world….i know this blog can anytime stop me from writing….they have the right…i am grateful to this blog…the giant like tamizh is now small hill for the world and today this state “tamizhnadu” is merely a part of south india but its culture was once the ruling culture of india and it was the spoken language once upon a time in india but now it has lost its charm and glory and we are fighting for its right…life is about struggle…ups and downs….victories.
Those who destroyed already our “tamizh” mother in the form of books were all sinners and those who are trying even now are also sinners.. They should go to the deep core of this earth. God is grinding the mill slowly but surely one day fastly. Let us all go with the sinners.
when kumari kandam gone deep into the ocean even the agrahaarams had to go….nature does not show partiality. News got from a old lady from madurai of ellis nagar that the details are kept in the gandhi musuem of madurai, She used to travel from madurai to kacchatheevu to exchange goods with people in those days, onlt 40 miles way to reach.
kannada and telugu are the most historical languages than tamil
Angum Tamil Adhilum Tamil
Tamil is my soul Tamil is my Body
Thamizh is the oldest language in the world and base of few indian languages in writing as well as in oral communication
Over obsession and attachments towards tamizh :)
THE ONE AND ONLY TAMIL
But, i dont know why you hate tamizhians, all are not the same, before talking about religions, i want to say there are “good hearts” too in the whole universe. So, be positive always. We should first of all give importance to our “deed” that only make us take everything to the next birth, i have to experience. I believe somewhere there is a world full of spirits both good and bad, they make us do, i found atlast we are all puppets operated. I found people are crazy and selfish. I am in search of people innocent and frank and good hearted always but i dont want to continue with them because i want them all the “same” till death. i cant tolerate the chameleons.
there are weak hearted people too in this world.
i am 200% proud that my mother tongue is Tamil. i love my language equal to my country.
Pongalo pongal
Too much anger is not good. Too much boiling would make the food burnt. :) when you wrote this i was in tirunelveli for pongal :)
Dear Periyar Mainthan,
I m not fighting with MissM rather i dont like her appearing in fake names and sometimes praising about herself like doing mono acting in different names.I dont like people doing self advertisement and i hope there is such no need to do it.This blog is exclusively for debating the ancient nature of languages….So,i m not against or on favor of her…..
Self-advertisement means or one who comes with self-advertisement would give his or her address, photo, phone no., e-mail id, achievement etc.etc.etc. to gain publicity. All are faceless here..SO??????? What we are getting here? any certificate or any medal or any trophy even???..be thoughtful…i am sorry to answer this…
R u an another avatar of Missm ,i saw u many times ,when ever something encounters against Missm ..u use to pop up or take avatar to justufy her…..so, u r the one among Geeta,Missm ,Tamil,Kaliyugam,Anamika…Better Missm could become namologist…
before blaming me and others, abdul brother have you ever thought about supporting me when i was in trouble? or even have u ever thought about stopping kumaran when he was abusing me obviously i was only writing here in the name of miss m…it seems u people are giving importance to the names and not the opinions and views…i must say and am sure that internet has been so far spoiling the lives of so many young ones becos they are believing everything on net..the only problem with me is that i have personal problems and lots and lots of commitments than all of you…thanks for being an inspiration for me to dig the past and write my opinions as well as emotions of people whom i know personally…i am sorry to say that i am not an extrovert…..but wholeheartedly wishing you all for your genunine efforts given towards “tamizh language”….if i have time enough to write i would definitely write…but suddenly i have started thinking about my personal problems than tamizh…i am sorry…forgive me….your hardwork shall get noticed by good hearted people…i dont know what to write now….let me take rest.
I didnt write comment inorder to hurt u..thanks for ur words..
I guess in the beginning itself i wrote that i was married, what the hell!!!! I think chennai is loosing its moral character. Detectives may please observe all the married women here. :)
Why “shyam dear” and “periyar mainthan”,”tamil” and “kumaran” are not coming these days? you say that i am a namologist…I am hurt.
I was only exploring the names of sivan, meenamma and murukan and mighty entrant elephant god, i am not the namalogist who named all these gods. :)
it seems you do not want anyone to help me. I tolerated everything. It was painful. you abused me also. You dont want me to be with people whose names you have written. But, i know how to be courageous. and you said that i am your sister. do you know the story of “nalla thangaal”? Brothers should always help sisters.
hardwork leads to tragic end always. Because i am a thravidan my mother tongue is tamizh :)
FUNNY :) i was helpless….there was a need to be with so many people…i dont have property to protect myself…dont send me to the graveyard please. I am destined to live in this world. I do not want another birth to dwell in this world of sin. i HATE.
Those who act would show their face..but i am not. I want to stay always in my cocoon. I would never like to come out of it. I am not chasing gutters full of worms to gain popularity.
Those who act would show their face..but i am not. I want to stay always in my cocoon. I would never like to come out of it. I am not chasing gutters full of worms to gain popularity. I write about the reality not politics.
Yes! i am comedy piece…but i am fully covered :) I am not item piece of film songs. :)I need 6 meters of saree to wear. :)
I also wear jeans and t-shirt but decently :)
Thanks a lot from thamakkai (sister). Brothers do mistakes too. Marappom mannipom, forget and forgive.
Iniya Pongal thiru naal vaztukkal
Thanks a lot
body language is the first language
VERY VERY FUNNY!!!!!
SO, are we concluding the matter or what? :)
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Tamil Tamil
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Tamil Tamil
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HAPPY & PROSPEROUS PONGAL
เฎชเฏเฎเฏเฎเฎฒเฏ เฎจเฎฒเฏเฎตเฎพเฎดเฏเฎคเฏเฎคเฏเฎเฎณเฏ!
The oldest language in the universe is :
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u say that tamizhians before the rock became sand had been sent to this earth and also were holding a sword soon after creation the tamizh verse has this meaning, then it would mean that they had intuition that aryans would one day invade them and evict them :) truly great!!!!! they were well prepared in the beginning itself it seems but what happend to their courage, i want the whole scene “live telecast” at once is needed. What are the weapons aryans had :) Why the Almighty is so naughty at the same time want to see such battle films :)
Almighty was giving them “clue” by giving them “sword”, but they did not use their brain. :)
COMEDY because of TRAGEDY.
magnetic blog. :)
“HURTING BLOG” for “kanya Kumari”
เฎคเฎฎเฎฟเฎดเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏเฎฎเฏ เฎ เฎฎเฏเฎคเฏเฎฉเฏเฎฑเฏ เฎชเฏเฎฐเฏ
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เฎเฎฏเฎฟเฎฐเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏ เฎจเฏเฎฐเฏ!
เฎคเฎฎเฎฟเฎดเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏ เฎจเฎฟเฎฒเฎตเฏเฎฉเฏเฎฑเฏ เฎชเฏเฎฐเฏ! โ เฎเฎฉเฏเฎชเฎคเฏ
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เฎเฎเฎเฎเฎเฎเฎเฎเฎเฎเฎเฎ
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เฎเฎฏเฎฟเฎฐเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏ เฎจเฏเฎฐเฏ
very very passionate tamizh song…sung by teluguite P.Susheela and emotions given by the malayalam actress k.r.vijaya. …very very sweet and melodious song indeed…I like this song and the old world charm….evergreen….The meaning of the first line is “the name of tamizh is nector”(amudam)
เฎคเฎฎเฎฟเฎดเฏโฆ.เฎตเฎพเฎดเฏเฎ!เฎตเฎพเฎดเฏเฎโฆ เฎคเฎฎเฎฟเฎดเฏ!
Long Live Divine Tamil!
I heard about “kodi kaatha kumaran” but you are “TamiIzh kaatha kumaran”. :) The history shall remember you always.
Dear Periyar mainthan,
Because of me only Mr.Abdul Came to know about the true face of Miss M alias Padma.They are cheating us here by writing in different names.For example if you write about Tamil that woman(miss m) will appreciate you, if you write against God that same miss m will abuse you but in a different name.so don’t fall prey to them.If we speak against superstition these ladies will not accept.
เฎคเฎฎเฎฟเฎดเฏ….เฎตเฎพเฎดเฏเฎ!เฎตเฎพเฎดเฏเฎ… เฎคเฎฎเฎฟเฎดเฏ!
I want this true face always with smile :) …..but life is all about ups and down thats why i am sometimes with this face :( ……:)
when padma wud be “mumtaj” or ms.m is “noorjahan” then u wont write anything against them, when they are telugus and tamils u are writing baseless comments abt them. do u think it is fair?. you are using a tamilian name to write against them. are u not guility conscious?..the more and more u or anyone write for the cause of tamil the more and more the people against tamil write rumours..so stop this nonsense..and thats it! let tamil be tamil atleast and let it die and dont create tension here.
i still remember my friend noor. i dont have religion.
Padma alias miss m,
speak True at least one day.your body full of lies.
My body full of cholestrol, i stay away from butter and cheese these days, no red meat :)
Padma alias miss m,
you don’t have the right to speak about Tamil because you are a Telugu.i hate telugu.
I do not hate anyone but feel so irritated when i find someone with bad deed. i want them all to change.
Dear ALL,
I had came here after a long time.It was sad to see Mr.Abdul and miss m are fighting with each other when they had supported Tamil once.Any way i had created a blog called Hate Sanskrit.People who loves Tamil can post your comments on hatesanskrit.blogspot.com
brother, me padma here. miss m does not have complaints with anyone. she is 70% spirtual and 30% jovial. i want to tell u onething..after periyar’s death, so many people especially those who were very near him looted his property. They kno tht periyar wont come to ask them questions. periyar was a very genuine person, eventhough he belonged to the forward caste he fought for the rights of backward class people. Those who looted his ancestoral property should be guilty conscious and do something good atleast now…they shud be loyal to him…periyar believed all…then only his wandering soul would get rest…am supporting both tamil and telugu becos my mother is a teluguite and my father a tamilian. dont say anything against me…we had flashback too…
HAPPY PONGAL TO ALL OF U IN ADVANCE.
when we write for you why kumaran is coming? Who is he?
Because of “misunderstanding” new religions came into existance, so this “misunderstanding things” is the culprit which makes people to live in their cocoons.
We are already struggling here, how many blogs to be visited. I am fully exhausted. :) I am so weak. I am in need of feast to make all beast run away :) you have energy because you eat chicken biryani and goat kurma and also soup of goat legs :)
My sister already visited your website created and you have written the truth but sanskrit is not the language of the “upper caste” people, it was an artificially created language of the selfish people to dominate the tamizh people later on north indians also. You should make a change there. NEVER use the term “caste” in future. In reality brahmins belong to the “lower caste” by showing their atrocities so far. Internet would give you all the information.
i can not expect from you “grammatical errors”…you have good experience of english….i am poor. :)
Dear ALL,
I had came here after a long time.It was sad to see Mr.Abdul and miss m are fighting with each other when they had supported Tamil once.Any way i had created a blog called Hate Sanskrit.People who loves Tamil can post you comments on hatesanskrit.blogspot.com
its not like that we tamizhians love tamizh, it is basic instinct and intution every tamizhian has in him which was kept alive but had not come out. Because they do not care about such issues. It shows they take everything so easily. But, they do not actually know how much damage we suffered because of this. It made the crooked minds to suppress us all. Awareness is needed. thats what i can say.
there was not a fight between you and me but definitely there was a fight between ancient tamizh world and the present modern world…suddenly, i got the details unknowingly, i was connecting myself with the pure and disciplined and innocent culture of tamizhians which was corruptless and i could also understand the sudden changes later on, thats why i was adamant. :)
turkish language is based on the root of the most historic in the year 4000, more than 6000 Turkish language was Sumerian cuneiform yazฤฑsฤฑndada
Man, our destination for now is only “Tamizh” because we now realise that we are idiots exploited almost for thousands of years, so give us place please. We kneel down and bow. When we are fully satisfied that we are relieved from the clutches of demons, we would take notes about your complaint. :) we promise you. Please tolerate. Have complete faith :)
connection of sumeria and thravidan especially the tamizhan should be explored, it would end up with words gone from kanyakumari or sinthu civilisation. It seems tamizh had to face the wrath of so many people for gaining popularity in a selfish manner.
the technology is improving day by day…so be cool…. God never sleeps :)
here is the scientific answer you’re looking for :
http://linguistlist.org/ask-ling/oldest.cfm
I am “exhausted”.
Padma alias miss m,
Nobody wants your personal details here.Everyone was here to support our mother tongue Tamil.you are the one who used this blog for pongal kolam and Ayurvedha medicines.If you do not want to dig the past.leave it.But if any new comer comes to this site they must see that Tamil language richness and its purity.Tamil must be first word if everyone opens this site.All the Language site should be occupied by Tamil.
“Ayul” in tamizh means the “lifespan”, if they add “r” to it and “vetham” and “vethai” pure tamizh words after shortened if added and tell this world “ayurveda” and make people believe it is the oldest medical practice, then we tamizhians have done a mistake for not popularising our “siddha” medical practice. Suppression is everywhere to hide things. Thousands of years of suffering because of these people. Poor souls, they could not fight against them. NOW, if unity is not there, no one can save them. Let them struggle, destiny.
whatever, the journey was full of action, emotions, laughter, pain, tears etc etc. I never thought i would visit this blog to face so many kinds of emotions, but it helped me gather so many facts hidden. I dont get even now answers for so many of my questions why did they want me to show my emotions? now, i realise the destiny was waiting for me to visit this blog and i also i did. But, i can not blame anyone, because i was destined. It was all some kind of force that only made me do it. I hope that power would remove all the pain from the hearts of so many affected in the society. Justice should be justice for all. We should not blame the humans who made everything…we should work hard to remove the root of all problems the so called customs and doctrines in the society the main reasons for the sad plight of people. The great truth it is. I believe each of my action is being watched by the invisible super nature power somewhere it is. I hope to learn more. The journey continues……..
I can not change myself. I want to be always crack headed. I dont like “silence”…thats why i “explore”. I am sorry. :)
look abdul brother, i was not crossing the ocean of humiliation to prove the fact that tamizh has its own antiqutiy, becos my aim was to prove so my target was important for me than names given to me by so many…so far i had in my mind also so many questions and i asked my as well as my neighbours queries..in between somewhere i was used by people who wanted to ask questions as well as answers from me…i dont bother abt it….like u i was struggling for tamizh not for tamizhians…but had been fighting unknowingly for them also…becos i do not make differnces all are equal for me…i only give importance to the kind heart and purest heart of people…dont u know how i was exploited in between by some people here?? dont want to write their name…am the happiest if it would bring for them the life full of brightness…
just like me all have changed their name it was an escape actually…i have written a lot for tamizh and for poor tamizhians but i want to be away from this world of selfishness as i said earlier all and everything have changed…i dont believe anybody but pure conscience…i dont visit any shrine but i seek peace which prevails before me..i ultimately find serenity by helping people who are in need..i kno people came by using the name muslim to humiliate me too….am a normal person with normal emotions but never thought my name would make people irritate this much….mother is a woman too….wish u all best of luck…..be happy always….i dont hurt anyone here….everything written by me based on records on net and my own opinions….i also appreicate u for ur genuine efforts
Attention miss M ,
“actually u have fallen prey to emotional sentiments abdul brother. try to live in the world of reality not in the world of imagination. i was just calling u sir because of misunderstanding and later on little brother..i dont know what makes u dwell here?”-Miss M
I m living in the world of reality.I m not having any fluctuating thoughts and firm about decisions.I am not falling emotional any where..rather..i hope ,i incline every time wisely.I am not a sentimental fool to support (Tamizhians) ethinicity.My support always goes for the TAMIZH ..the first spoken language and mother of all languages.”The greatest Discovery of this generation is that,human can alter their life by altering their attitude”.So,I donot want mltiple attitude ..like u..one ime poor mind..another time..average mind and another time great mind..also,kindly maintain the blog discipline..donot change name everytime and play game…these are not my suggestions ..these are exactly my wishes for u…so,dont mistake me..
5 years old is my son and am a normal, average housewife…not a great humanbeing as u say…being average gives me tenseless life. I thank periyar mainthan for supporting me when some people abused me.
And i did not know that periyar mainthan would come as kumaran to abuse me also…WHY???
Sudden attack :) miss (mrs) you need to grow :) unexpected tragedy :) Be like Rani Mangamma :) untold miseries of life. Wrongly entered… blog to be remembered forever :) I am with full throated laughter, it makes my years of living grow and grow, thanks indeed.
why rani mangamma allowed “agrahaaram” in madurai for brahmins, she was innocent i guess. They are humiliating our tamizh now and also tamizhians. our destiny!!!! you say to them “koodi vaaznthal kodi nanmai”, means “be united”, but they pull our legs in return. “kooda irunthu kuzhi parika thaan koodaathu”. no backstabing!!!!
we want to know the “number” of people who played different roles here :) Anyways, it helped you dig out so many things, I think God has started grinding the mill and he wanted to use someone and he saw two cracked heads on earth :)
Abdul sir is always strict….Ok sir….i follow what you say….but why we have been playing games suddenly, no clue….but…..u had in you periyar mainthan too :) Faizal already told you not to struggle hard for establishing the facts about Tamizh…but you did not give respect to his emotions…..everything had to happen :)
I do not play with anyone, unfortunately i had visited this site, i was destined, what to do? I think not only i learnt a lot about tamizh but also the nature of humanbeings.
thanks for your wishes but i would like to go away from this blog…i dont want to explore further. enough!!!
You are wrong the first language spoken in world is tamil
yes i know, but what to do…i was frustrated. Struggling to achieve something is very very tough job indeed. We had been tolerating everything for thousands of years, soon after tamizh was created, “catareena” the cyclone invaded to disturb her. I mean here the poisonous minds to abolish her. Again here “catareena” the ferocious form of Amman, the black coloured Amman with all sharp weapons, it proves this form was made to explain about the wrath of jungle lake (kaateri) and also applied to the wrath of the cyclone which detroy everything. “Kaateri” is worshipped in tamizhnadu by the village people with true passion.
The first group from the “kyber pass” i guess called themselves the brahmins learnt tamizh (in tamizh piramai, illusion) and they already made all the thravidans slaves and later on the second group and the third, continuous invasion (all fair skinned happened from central asia).The first group could not tolerate this because they wanted to rule the whole india as well as kumari kandam and ilankai and unknown land still under the ocean (no records) so they made 4 groups to rule them all. Even today north indians are also suffering with us eventhough they are fair skinned. Passion for land and property made the first group made the temples the target to cheat and loot the people. Sadly, no one thinks about natural disaster which can never be controlled by anyone.
yes, but i was fully frustrated at that time, how did you understand my mind, It is very difficult to dig the past and find out the facts, because they had been destroying our tamizh books full of ancient secrets. Cunning people. I need ancient books mainly latin and british and also egyptian. If i am given sanskrit text it would make me sad, because i know they had taken everything from us. Its sad to see how much pain this tamizh was bearing.
Tamizhians had been so far “MUTE SPECTATORS” and those who invaded made themselves “LOUD DICTATORS”.
God created them all with fair skin that why.
God created them all with fair skin thats why.
because i am a “mind reader”
Dear miss m,
why you had given comments about Mr.Abdul under my comment?
u r highly talented and u should give importance to your family, your parents, ur sisters and brothers and not bomb. try to go on right path and follow good people and dont waste ur intelligence following illusions. Why did i say “bomb”…do u accept now that i am a mind reader??? i dont go anywhere, only stay at home but i can read u well..
I think the word “BOMB” has come from the tamizh word for snake “PAAMPU” (snake)…because the snake always attack very tactfully and kill the person….in the same way, the bomb is also attacking the people and make them dead….I already wrote the exact meaning so ancient for “paampu” is “paayum ampu”, the leaping arrow or the piercing arrow….so, in the same way, the atom “bomb” is also piercing into the air and attack the people…..Am i rite?
Don’t use words like naai against others.if you want give negative comment.i don’t like brahmins and telugu people but i never insulted them.
actually u have fallen prey to emotional sentiments abdul brother. try to live in the world of reality not in the world of imagination. i was just calling u sir because of misunderstanding and later on little brother..i dont know what makes u dwell here?
i did not know that i was travelling with “JUDAS”. JESUS was innocent.
do you know the meaning of “TIT FOR TAT”…because my mother tongue is “TAMIZH” and i am a Dravidian..i believe…but you are not. Stop hurting please.
i found atlast that you support the people who made you the neglected one in the society and you are against tamizhians. I would like you to change your opinion that all are same and dont use names to humiliate tamizhians, those who made you suffer in the society would be noted the Almighty and above all an invisible power is somewhere to teach them all lesson, they would have to pay for their bad deeds. It would be inhuman to help those people who are against tamizhians, because we have been always supporting and cooperative with you people. your action would give wrong impression and those who are good hearted belong to your community would also feel depressed because of your helping tendancy towards ill-hearted people. Why should they get bad name? we feel sad to know that you support brahmins and you are against tamizhians. No more games . Tamizhnadu had enough. Do not ever humiliate the features of humans try to find out good hearts and just avoid bad people. be positive and believe that all the fingers are not the same. I hope you would change.
Miracle shall make you change one day. I hope. I wish you always good luck and life full of happiness.
yaar anda naai missm,padma,anamika?overa mokka pooduraa?
I did not mean to hurt you thambi.
Could you please give me the meaning of “mokka” i know the meaning of “kadalai”, new words formed in chennai when i was spending my days in delhi. I like my innocent poor people of tirnelveli and near by cities… only “poor and innocent” away from the heat of modernity…of cities like chennai. :)
Tamil literature belonging to the Sangam period had been lost. The literature currently available is perhaps just a fraction of the wealth of material produced during this golden age of Tamil civilization. Sangam age is considered by the Tamil people as the golden era of Tamil language. This was the period when the Tamil country was ruled by the three ‘crowned kings’ the Cheras, Pandyas and the Cholas. The land was at peace with no major external threats. Asoka’s conquests did not impact on the Tamil land and the people were able to indulge in literary pursuits. The poets had a much casual relationship with their rulers than can be imagined in later times. he three centuries after the Sangam age witnessed an increase in the mutual interaction of Sanskrit and Tamil. A number of words and concepts relating to ethics, philosophy and religion were mutually borrowed and exchanged between the languages. Around 300 CE, the Tamil land was under the influence of a group of people known as the Kalabhras.
Sangam age witnessed an increase in the mutual interaction of Sanskrit and Tamil.
The above information tells me that it looked like “mutual” yes! but tamizhians were so innocent, from here only everything started i guess and am sure. The more and more pressure the sanskritist showed on tamizh…it could not tolerate the pressure and it could not keep quite..thats why. There is a limit for everything.
เฎฏเฎพเฎฉเฏ เฎเฎฉเฎคเฏ เฎเฎฉเฏเฎฉเฏเฎฎเฏ เฎเฏเฎฐเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏ
เฎ เฎฑเฏเฎชเฏเฎชเฎพเฎฉเฏ เฎตเฎพเฎฉเฏเฎฐเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏ เฎเฎฏเฎฐเฏเฎจเฏเฎค เฎเฎฒเฎเฎฎเฏ
เฎชเฏเฎเฏเฎฎเฏ.
I feel so wonder about the depth of your tamizh literature knowledge…you have proved it by writing the above verse. I must appreicate you. I dont leave the chance of appreciating talented people. They need the “boost” secret of energy.
I am not arrogant only sensitive…highly sensitive!.
Most of the Hindu gods are having two wives so why can’t we human beings have two wives.Everyone must have two wives and enjoy our life.God will not punish us for having two wives because god himself is having two wives.
we should always take good morals from the religion not bad things..when wife is faithful and healthy and serving her husband and take care of kids y should a husband have 2 wives? ridiculous. even when wife is unhealthy husband has the responsibility to take care of his wife. This is wat pure love…the same point for wife too…she should be loyal too. problems in life should be settled sitting together…marriage has a pure meaning that cant be explained.
introducing second wife to Hindu Gods is the handiwork of aryans….so the list of foolish customs and “morals” :) is expanding….i need another paper please..
I read recently a comment given by some one on tv, “two wives” means “two punishments” :)
Tamil serial actress malavika avinash is the face of indian women.she repesented indian women by appearing in a pooja conducted recently by the great fake swamiji nithyananda.This shows that indian womens sincerety towards religion.we can still see womens standing in que for get the blessings from fake swamijis.They will never change even 1000 periyar,raja ram mohan roy and ambedkar comes alive.malavika avinash is the bharathi kanda pudumai penn.
I am “spellbound” about fake swamis of india and those who in abroad also. You would find it difficult to count the money they had gathered cheating all. Can you believe kalki bhagwan is still not arrested, and he was visited by sri sri ravi shankar and do you know real facts about kalki bhagwan if not watch the videos on net how he enjoy himself seeing girls suffer before his eyes. HELL!!!!!! conspirators in india as well as in foreign countries. just be ready for VEDA CULTURE – II.
girls and women are always targetted because they are physically and mentally so weak and full of emotions so soft. The innocent ones are like chickens and they do not have information about eagles so cruel.
how did this go from the earliest language to religion, seriuosly why should we fight over it why not just accept that other people have different beliefs it doesnt mean you have to give up your beliefs
I think about my father, my belief and also formless divine power and also wish to have angels near me all the time.
which is the oldest language of this world?
accept the fact sanskrit is the oldest….if not all are fired.
So many had to give their life in the past, still sacrificing their life just because they are tamizhians. We always welcome and live together but nobody wish to fight for our cause.
someone is tampering my computer here…..guess who?? …5 yrs old
5 elements are also playing the game.
anamika alias miss m. ha ha ha….what a comedy piece. ha ha ha…
hahahahah
Kanyakumari with laughter full of pain and frustration. The total disaster caused by aryans.
Dear Abdul,
It was very funny that you are asking miss m about her comments about Tamil in this blog because you failed to identify miss m here who is giving comments in different names.watch closely the words used by padma,smile,anonymous,kaliyugam and sometimes Tamil.All the words and expressions used by the people in the above names are same.I am not a expert in Tamil literature like you….
hahahahaha
Still i am not an expert of tamizh literature…I dont know even what made me write starting from the chaste lady Kanya kumari…I dont have explanations even….Everything came to me automatically…very very strange!!!!…..some of them my natural intuition indeed….i dont want to describe about what happened with me…
Thanks for the compliment :) you mean to say that i am the ONE AND ONLY rationalist woman of india. hahaha
The basic thing is “FIRE” that is “sivan”.. the colour of the fire “red” that is “sivappu”….”sivanthavan” “the one who is reddish” (fire form), the exact meaning in tamizh….You got it correct. :)
abdul brother, if u have faith in Allah then ok!!…if satish have faith in Vishnu…then ok!!!…..all of u live happily together, unity is the best policiy…rite…forget abt tamil and sanskrit…my relatives are living in states speaking english..so me loyal to this language too…i am loyal to hindi too becos it was paying me salary….what mary or stella is following…y shud i care abt? let them have peaceful life…religion shud not create violence…i dont care abt buddha or mahavir…i care abt my family and welfare….i dont care who is looting india and who wud be looting india what kind of religion the people of india wud be following…hahaha….already years passed..i should book now the graveyard….hahahaha,,,,,good fun and now i need food….u kno who i am??? let us laugh now….good entertainment….war of words…..
abdul brother, if u have faith in Allah then ok!!…it satish have faith in Vishnu…then ok!!!…..all of u live happily together, unity is the best policiy…rite…forget abt tamil and sanskrit…my relatives are living in states speaking english..so me loyal to this language too…i am loyal to hindi too becos it was paying me salary….what mary or stella is following…y shud i care abt? let them have peaceful life…religion shud not create violence…i dont care abt buddha or mahavir…i care abt my family and welfare….i dont care who is looting india and who wud be looting india what kind of religion the people of india wud be following…hahaha….already years passed..i should book now the graveyard….hahahaha,,,,,good fun and now i need food….u kno who i am??? let us laugh now….good entertainment….war of words…..
by the way which Hindu God is dominating these days in india???
I cant belive i missed out on this!
good show
What the “hell” is after going on here? How did the whole matter change? anyways……laughter is the best medicine for me.
What the hell is AFTER ALL ….sorry, there was a mistake. :)
But i am married :) i am not “miss” i am “ms” :) i am trapped forever. :)
ms.m ….stop cracking jokes..OK….but i want to survive…becos i have commitments :)
every party who ruled india has a history of corruption using power whether it is bjp or congress..only it seems that innocent people of india are the victims of exploitation..these two parties always fight with each other..throw the mud on each other..one party is giving the list of corruption and another party is also giving the list..if u ask me why india does not develop eventhough having glorious past..then the answer is… the money is not used for good jobs…ok…chandigarh was planned by french architect Le Carbuzier and though i havent visited this city but i can understand very well the picture of chandigarh as i have seen already the city pondicherry, once upon a time under french rule…i want every city of india look like pondicherry but i cant do anything…its very very difficult to survive…am vry very emotional and i avoid people when they change colours…no one can make me talk to them if i have decided….they would come to me but i dont try to have a talk with them…i believe in “true colours”. i always want away frm this world and people who r chameleons.i dont care abot being alone and i enjoy reading and listening to news and see how the kids are playing and i want innocence around me always….miss m is also the same we all enjoy listening to songs melodious and no more tension…i believe in humans who never change till death….they are very very few in this world..very difficult to find them out…stop searching…if they come understand and be friendly….and stop arguing and debating…world is spoiled already..
U r indeed the babbler bird…..blah..blah…blah… :)
Miss M,
R u there..now a days ,i m not able to visualise your comments..lot of people are talking about in the forum instead of discussing about old language….so,which name u r using now a days..? Now, im in Tamil Nadu…I ve some soft copies of Tamil literary works…if u require ,kindly send a test mail t my id:[email protected], any one in this forum require the same ,may also send me a test mail with your name…
look abdul brother, miss m is not interested in knowing which language is the oldest one, let this fight over..she is not a person from any political party or any other mission to support tamil now…she is frustrated abt explaining avoiding food even, we think we cant get any support on this site…this is very much clear…after seeing the comments it seems we have so many evil and bad tempered people around us. i woud like to tell u stop proving the facts abt tamil…understood. just like one another person earlier indicated that y should we explain and y there is need to dig out the past if you kno the greatness and glory of tamil..let us south indians and also tamilians on the whole dravidans suffer…we dont believe in earthly gods who preach casteism and colour combinations..God is only responsible for all the problems. when he is dumb then y do we struggle? no one is backward caste and no one is forward caste…we can prove this by indicating the good and bad language here…rite….i think my language is better than those who used vulgar words…let us follow the worldly affairs and try to understand where the world is going? people are no more foolish…they are coming to face the light than darkness…
those who struggle to achieve something in life and help others do not get anything. they are always humiliated. their emotions are not given importance and they are ill-treated for no fault on their part.
we think something differently and others take it in some other form…purely misunderstanding…because of communication gap.
I am in disguise…..becos i am from a family of police officers :)
but you have no training. you were under illusion. anyways, all is well that ends well.
when you were under illuion it seems you could gather so many informations but not now. Under illusion people are making themselves much more involved. you believed that there were so many people and your heart was full of passion to reach the destination tamizh. You should thank all those :) who were responsible. Your brain is inactive now :) because now you realise about the “reality”. Brain is dead now. :)
I am very very normal, average humanbeing. I have poor knowledge about this world. So, dont give much importance to me. i appreicate your thoughts of intellectual nature and you please keep improving your power of knowledge. I am crack headed.
as a tamil speaking girl from tamilnadu i am happy that tamil speaking nithyananda swami is arrested and also as teluguite i want kalki bhagwan shud be arrested at the earliest.. tell them all to go to hell.
The present world itself is a HELL. Thats why they are made to stay here…What kind of differnce it is going to make? :)
when telugu people are enjoying and also struggling in tamilnadu just like a tamilian and if the telugu people are trying to humiliate the tamilians and dominate them then tamilians know how to give answer…there should be limit…if they cross the limit and exploit the tamilians then i think tamilians would think abt asking them questions face to face and make them realise their mistakes and i think tamilian should avoid them and let them live with their community. they would long for good people around for help.
i think each one is proudy abt his religion and beliefs and people are suffering not becos of poverty but also becos of religions countless…. its difficult to cross this ocean of religions and those who crossed are feeling relaxed and those who cud not cross suffer lying here forever. people never treat another human as a human but divide them in the name of language and gods…hindu is against muslims and muslims are against hindus, a small group wants to say against both major religions and each one is adamant abt his faith…it seems no one wants to remain a human….craziest world, unending quarrels….sunni muslims, shia muslims, catholics, protestant, bentecost, saivam, vaishnavam, jainam, buddham, sikhism, parsiite, countless….those who are gone away from the calamity are the blessed souls….what i eat and follow, who r u to ask?
kalapana iyer, a brahmin caste cabaret dancer who ruled the hindi cinema during 70s, said,….why did i become a dancer?….becos of poverty….if u ask me …then my reply is when i have biryani..why would i ask for stale bread?….shakeela, a sexy muslim actress in malayalam cinema asked, who r u to ask my position today and humiliate me? where did u people go when i was struggling?…
The world never think abt the personal problems of a brahmin or a muslim poverty stricken woman but they ask her questions.
we got some days before about the keelakarai (TN) muslims frm a elderly person in the park, he said that once upon a time in keelakarai majority of people were brahmins only and during muslim dynasty they were made to follow islam and also they dont get the alliance for their daughters or son from other parts of tamilnadu, but only from this city keelakarai and they wear nose wear and metti also on their feet. but other muslims do not like to wear such ornaments.They wear only white dupatta but not black dupatta… i dunno how far it is true…but he said that keelakarai is very near to the sea that made the travellers to come and go and during this time marriages happened…it happened so many 100s of years before so we cant say now they are brahmins since they are already changed very much marrying muslims. Just like uma married riyaaz also their kids might marry either a hindu or a christian. so, the mixture of cultures had started earlier and also we heard from him that muslims of kaayalpatinam (tn) never marry a girl or a boy from another city. We have been all these years spending our time in tamilnad but there are so many things still unrevealed. I want to answer the question of miss m that why a brahmin woman is marrying a non-brahmin.. becos they dont want to spend their valuable time doing hindu rituals and they i think want to be free from all hardships. Since they leave their community it seems they want to adopt a religion-free life… the couple(both husband and wife) in general. mother of uma…kamla kamesh is a brahmin widow and she needed help that made her leave her community..its my opinion.
widows are tortured for no fault on their part.
Still i haven’t got any answer, why Telugu people and other language people are not worshiping our Tamil god murugan?i am not complaining about god’s .If every tamilans should ask this above question themselves then only Tamilans future will be bright.One of the reason i got through my friend is : Vijayanagaram emperors who ruled some small kingdoms near madurai.thirunelveli and dindigul about 500 years ago forced tamilans to accept their telugu god perumal.At this time only tamilans started worshipping perumal alias govinda.
Six months before some Telugu people in this blog has complained that Telugu kings has ruled tamilnadu for over 100 years but tamilans has forgot this and now are not respecting Telugu.First of all Telugu people has to remember that tamilans has allowed them to live in tamilnadu for over 400 years even after the vijanagaram empire was dethroned.Telugu people are the one who had forgot what tamilans done to them and are not respecting Tamil language.
Four months before Former Andhra CM Rosiah has requested Tamilnadu CM to introduce telugu in tamil schools for telugu people who are living in Hosur.This is unfair.If they live in tamilnadu they should study Tamil only.Or they can go for kendra vidyala schools where all the languges are teached.
yes…no tamilian is telling other state govts. to introduce tamil in the school as a subject..even i have so far studied in tamil medium school only and my brother too, we dont know telugu but my parent know..since they search alliance for me they want me to learn telugu..evenow we talk in tamil at home only, my parent never thought of teaching telugu to us…as far as temples and gods r concerned they know how to spend for god but who is exploiting the money and in what way the money is being used…no one knows…since i spend only for blind..generaly handicapped or old aged people who are immobile or left alone i dont want to comment abot peoples faith in god…i think i get the blessing from the poor or needy people than god though unseen god only but from the affected one.i get satisfaction paying poor than god…frankly speaking. forcing people to follow someone is a criminal activitiy.
brahmins never wanted thravidan to worship nature, because they wanted to be God. Piraman is also the name of sivan…so they had used this name piraman…piraman means also “illusion”…so by adding strong tones they called themselves Brahmin. In this way, they started exploiting the people, infact all are affected in india, but thravidan with dark or brown skin colour and ofcourse language with pure antiquity are the one most affected than all and also humiliated.
I dont know the reason why you hate telugu people…there are some solid reasons for you that makes you hate them all…but i have some good telugu friends (temporary) also..I dont want to explore them all…if they talk to me friendly and without any bad intention then i am happy..as far as relationships are concerned i am not an expert..because i am very much sensitive i dont want to mingle with this world..i only cherish my school days and friends..they were all really very very innocent and helpful….Whatever, all the fingers are not the same….waste of time …to study who they are and what they are….if we do good deeds that is enough…dont think about the results and always be helpful towards the needy people than healthy..i wish you good luck always because you have talent…just ignore this bad world and think about good values in life….be with good people that is very very important…what you do it will leave a strong impact on the people..for the whole community.
First of all why should a tamizhian worship murukan (cock) and pay the priest. if he want to give importance to this bird then he can keep it as a pet and show love towards it. What the hell!!!! And it was not telugite who forced tamizhians to worship perumal it was only the brahmins who worked as advisors to the kings forced this brahmin god vishnu or perumal to spread their culture in tamizhnadu. Do you get my point???? Telugites are also still now supersticious and crazy people to follow them not only… illiterate ones but also educated one. Just imagine the whole situtation how was it before thousands of years..still they dont open their eyes, as per their rumour which says if people visit this temple then they would become rich then why poverty is still there?? The “devadaasi parampara” (clan) or the custom is still followed in their state. If the telugites had been ruling tamizhians for almost 100 years then tamizhians are idiots, they dont know how to protest and protect their land. If telugites want to force telugu in our schools then it also shows their domination. And they enjoy all the comfort here, receiving all free goods offered by new chief ministers like laptop, mixi, grinder, tv etc.etc. By the way, why the tamizhians are crazy about free goods offered??? Modernity and sophistication leads all to the valley of death full of darkness.
In the magazine “nakeeran” few months before director Bharathiraja asked “can any tamizhian go and rule Andhra, kerala and karnataka? they can never, but the neighbours can come anytime here and rule us. HELL!!!!
The tamizhians ALWAYS have the habit of building temples or a symbol of appreciation for people whom they appreicate emotionally.. all the time thats the reason they are exploited. Can any aryan(piraman, have to write this because they consider themselves separate from others) build or even carve a statue with hardwork? NEVER EVER. Dravidans do not explore these topics thats the reason why they are still… idiot of the fool of the stupid of the donkey of the mad of the crack of the loose nuts :) No one is here to tighten the screws.
Tamizhnadu has been welcoming all the cultures of this universe, sadly no one think about the tragic life of the affected one. Unity is the best policy, but what to do, modern world and culture, all are suffering. all want to attach themselves to their own religion and people, they are not ready to accept the fact that they should give importance to “humanity”. kids do not have religion.
Dear Padma,
First of all i am a pure Tamilan.i am also belong to backward community.I had written some words here just for fun.Actually you are partially telling lie because i was the one who used to write in the name of Tamil.My full name is Tamil kumaran.Because now you people are using my name Tamil i have to use my another name Kumaran.You had always given negative comment against me whenever i write something about god.we Tamils are worshiping your god perumal then why you Telugu people are not able to accept our Tamil god murugan.Not only you malayalis are doing the same thing.Every year Tamils are going to sabarimala for getting blessings of iyappan but in return Tamils are not getting anything.Other language people are not even considered murugan as god.Recently jain people in chennai has filed a case in court for closing all the mutton and chicken shops for eight days because of some jain festival.See how the people are.Other language people had came here for a living but they are forcing tamilan to accept their gods. People like Seeman,Veeramani and Thirumavalavan can only solve this problem.
tamil kumaran,
we(4 of us) dont believe in gods, that doesnt mean we are ethiests….ok…we believe in good conscience. Face of God does not provide u money or food only hardwork. when ur hardwork is not given importance and value and treated merely as an entertainment then we all who visit this site are foolish and most of all innocent and emotional people are used here. i think anyone can change anytime and choose almighty with full of faith. we dont belive in temples, mosque or churches or any other shrine but we believe the very truth of humans with flesh and blood. we hope a brightful future would come for all. indirectly each religion worship nature only if you observe them all.
Ethiest believe in science i suppose….but i believe “someone is there”….the way of telling and giving explanations differs from person to person.
We had to fight here, our destiny, and i hope we DID. I think the full stop near “DID” should not make us continue. I dont have time to explore. I dont want to shed tears.
because you thought that there were so many here opposing and your heart was beating up so fastly to reach the destination. :) but you are alive now because someone protested using sanskrit name and you could not continue :) you had enough!!!! :)
miss.m was here only to prove the antiquity of tamil..she was genuinly working hard, belive me or not she was only concerned about tamil but when she saw tamilians were humiliated she had to write against exploitation and whoever reading their words only understand they dont have regard for girls and women in general. if we tell her to write against whoever he is then that wud mean there is no differnece between him and us…rite…no one has the rite but if they write then it shows they are against tamilians in general. though i am loyal to tamil i also love my language telugu. and miss m can prounounce telugu and can sing well too…we are all surprised to hear her accent of telugu eventhough she doesnt have training…she is generaly helping natured.
Not only selfish and arrogant people are torturing but gods are also torturing, what to do, each state has different gods and customs, india is still not progressing because of so many gods, both living and non-living. The day i reach the graveyard i would be satisfied thinking that i leave this world of commotion and confusion as well. I want to explore the world of spirits, it would be more interesting than humans. :) Each one is fighting to achieve something here, competition for survival even. I am smiling :)
yes. you are right…but what to do? God has made us all tamizhians soft hearted. Thats why all are exploiting. When everything becomes uncontrollable, then only we open our eyes. prevention is better than cure. What to do? still we are the same. No “Awareness”. I would like to see the girls and women of tamizhnadu educated. Its very difficult to change or reform the whole society.
kaliyugam was me yes..ur assumption is rite…but me padma…not miss.m…tamil is giving me life than my own mother tongue telugu…rite…and i belong to backward caste and miss.m does not divide people like u…she has been so far helpful and am her neighbour. i dunno y do u write against tamil eventhough u use this language…am sure u live in tamilnadu…becos of u we are suffering and miss m wrote my thoughts too alongwith her own thoughts. my elder brother also came here by the name of Tamil….why do u want to create tension….just forget everything…and try to mingle with people…..u found the 4 groups many years before not 100 years before as you say. I thank miss m for using her comp.
It shows ur deep love for you language sanskrit. We all appreicate you brother.
miss m alias Tamil alias smile alias kaliyugam – all are same
romba paavam
Paavam this tamizh word here means “sin”…in hindi the shortened word is “PAAP”
@tamil, ooru maiyura kazhuda.manangkettavale.avan kooda poi oora maiyura.ambala porikki.
“Silence of the Graveyard” i always wanted to have this which my father now is enjoying. Faceless humanbeings, countless rumours.
I want to know who is “AVAN”…i am curious about his FACE.
“kazhuthai” spelt as “kazhudai” or “kazhuda” :) in tamizh is donkey…it is pronounced in hindi as “ghada” they have taken the first two letters “ka”in the beginning and the last two letters “da”…strong tone added “gha” and “da”… :)
hahahaha….it seems this is a “sutha tamizh site” i want to learn tamil….can anyone help me?
yes sure,we will help you.
first u must learn how to greet someone.
appidi keera? means How are you?
inga vandhu kundhu. means please sit here.
un moonjala en peechan kaiya vakka. means i will slap in left hand.
ok.todays tution is over.try to memorize the above words.i will ask you questions tomorrow.bye
I can help u [email protected]
aaryanum vandaaha! !!!!
ellaathaiyum pirichu vitaaha!!!!
dravidanum inda thalathili vandaaha!!!!
rendu peraiyum pirichu vida yaaru vandaaha!!!!!!
solla cholli sonna pathil kudukanumilla??? ithu epdi irukku?????
rajni style ma ithu……appa naan tea kudika potta?????
nee tea kudika po illa oora maiye po. dhayavu seithu inga ethuvum ezudhathae un blade thanga mudiyala.loosu
daai, inna pesura nee? yaara paathu enna pesine…..pinni puduven pinni….ethula eluthura nee? tamilthaane…..kongu tamil venuma????illa theni tamil venuma??…daaai……madraas tamil kettuko….bemaani….kasmaalam…..summa keda…..kumaran pera eluthathe da…..adichupuduven…..
I shall definitely “QUIT”….let “Destiny” pass the order. I did not come here on my own..
The tamizh letter “zhu” is sincerly, passionately and truly used by you that shows you are very much dedicated to this language :) No proof is needed :)
But i would like to see the “mukam” before i die :)
you say that i am a blade but at the same time you want me to explore….what the hell!!!!…i never thought that this blog would make me the worst affected one. I am using my brain…i want to stop. just make this blog vanish away.
the story of rich and the poor, good and evil, cat and rat race would continue. no stop…..this is what this earth is about…..beginning and the end…..circle of life……it would continue….when the heart would ever beat for the goodness and justice to prevail in this world…then only peace would prevail…but it seems this earth wont see peaceful atmosphere……
manithan manithanai adithu vaazhum kaalam ithu…..mithithu vaazhlum neram ithu…..purinthavar purinthu kolveeraaha!!!!!!…vampu, sandai vendaaam…..ketta kelunga illanne avathi pattukonde irunga!!!! appa naan varatta….saringanna…..
written with frustration and painful heart. But i never thought that thunder and lighteing would follow for no fault on my part. I did not know that people wanted to tell more and more about their desperate position, their anger, their pain, their storeis of humiliation, it continues. Yes!!! i am sure if thouse who want to open their mind and pass the message can do it if they are with gods in human form.
The Tamizhnadu should be the first one to abolish foolish customs in the society, because from here only all the things emerged. So, she should take measures to destroy all the poisonous customs in the society which makes people to shed tears, their tears had been telling the stories of pain for so many years but no one took it seriously. My support is with them all. I can only tell but i can not do. Luck may favour if my pen is treated in a good way. Man -made gods can do nothing but man- made effrots can bring joy for all. Sacrifices of people are noted always.
uyira vittu ellam sonna piraku vandu ivanunga sanskrit is the oldest sollittu poyitraan rende rendu varila……nalla koothu…..
velaiya paarungappa ….velaiyya parungapppa.
appankanna naa en velaiye paakiren. ….ok
Yes “hard work” means thravidans and “easy work” means “aryans the first group” that invaded :)
Hi Friends,Recently i went to Delhi and came back.while coming in the train from Delhi some Brahmans had traveled with me.They are very kind and very old.They struggled to speak in Hindi and used English with everyone including the canteen boys.They struggled even to ask for food because they don’t know Hindi. i was surprised to see them struggling to speak Hindi because Hindi is derived from Sanskrit.Hindi has 60% of Sanskrit words but they(Brahmans) not even able to understand what other Hindi people are speaking.This is the case of Sanskrit, people who had studied Sanskrit not even able to understand with their sister language Hindi.But still Tamil Brahmans are saying that Tamil is derived from dead language Sanskrit.it was a pity that Urdu speaking Tamil Muslims can easily understand Hindi but not the Tamil brahmins.
old form of hindi was ofcourse full of sanskrit words..but not modern hindi..it is full of urdu words…old hindi is only used for dramas based on mythological stories. if u believe that hindi would make you all insecure then it wont happen because in south india especially tamilians are not so revengful abt religions. so, dont be panicky…one should learn hindi for growth and being knowledgable is good..we are not under suppression anymore…time has changed a lot…
IC :) Time has changed a lot (doubtful) what about thravidans? I dont think so :)
just ike good brahmans there are good tamizhians too. So, do not humiliate all. The language “tamizh” was humiliated here you know that, it was very difficult to understand that you had complaints with tamizhians too. I dont know really what made you write like that. Time will change.
“hi friends”….who are they all? funny :) very dramatic indeed!!!!!
there are good brahmins too…i have the experience…but they can not tolerate the fact ie. if you say that this world is full of illusion. The good hearted ones would accept but the bad hearted would chase you. Its matter of Survival and domination. Just like you wrote “me the first”.
mr indian i want to clarify that tamizh is one of the oldest language in the world . “TAMIZH” is still spoken and will be but your great sanskrit is dead in terms of speaking NO ONE SPEAKS IT THERE ARE ONLY FEW
THIS POINT ENOUGH TO PROVE THAT TAMIZH IS GREATER THAN YOUR VERY VERY VERY {POOR} sanskrit
when the small group of brahmans are given shelter in india by the major group then the whole universe would come to know about the big heart of dravidans and there should be no fight between people. Life and death are inter-related. What we sow we reap…its about our deeds that matters a lot than languages and colours, creed etc. One should always realise the fact that God is playing as well as watching. Sand is for all… water is for all also. it has the power to swallow everyone no matter what his religion is. nothing helps
tamil is derived from SANSKRIT only…u deserve no respect …understand???
small creation of God you are though u are near to God chanting.
The fact is that “when i realised that i was putting my feet on the path full of thorns and finished almost half way, i decided to continue my travel”. The journey in pursuit of the abode of God gives us pain always. But, the destination always make us proceed, when we touch the destination it makes us smile”. But, i found there is always danger for this destination called TAMIZH. :)
and also for tamizhians for no fault on their part.
mind full of frustration
Doctors are advising me to take only vegetarian food, understood, i dont have energy, let me have boiled country chicken eggs full of protein and come back. I shall go deep into the CORE of tamizh..i have to take rest now..i thought i was DONE. :) Dont chase me…you get that.
Mixture of culture
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Tamil Muslims are identifiable by a common language and religion. Otherwise, they belong to multiple ethnicities such as Dravidian, Aryan, Oriental, Malay, Semitic, Turkish, Arabic, Moorish, et al.. Hence, their complexions range from fair to dark; facial bone structures range from sharp/oval to rounded. This was due to the frequent trading and marriage ties in South East Asia. These races, by the 20th century, began to be listed in official gazettes of different nations as Lebbai, Marakayar, Rowther, Kayalar (in Maharashtra), Sonagar[4] (in Sri Lanka), mamak (a pejorative term addressing tamil muslims)[5] (in Malaysia), Chulia[6] (in Singapore), etc. As a result, there is no uniformity in customs and ceremonies within and between districts and nations on occasions like births, marriages and deaths.
As a mark of modesty Tamil Muslim women usually wear white thuppatti (from Hindi/Urdu duppatta) instead of the black burqas (that are popular among Urdu-speaking Muslims) which is draped over their whole body on top of the saree.
So, business contact with people from all over the world has changed the features of the people of india.
my humble request to Mr.Indian you(Tamil Brahmans) are separating from us by using shri.try to live together.you belong to tamilnadu.you are not from north India.koodi vaznthal kodi nanmai.
hellow,
this archana shakya any lover name rishabh yadav i want to knw about my love and our marrige.
Hello Indian,if your Brahmans is ready to accept Tamil as the oldest language than Sanskrit?you people will never accept.that is why Brahmans are not invited for world Tamil conference.suppose if Brahmans are invited for world Tamil conference surely they will say that Sanskrit is oldest than Tamil and they will praise Sanskrit in front of world Tamil leaders.this will make huge embarrassment for world Tamil leaders.
again you are showing upper casteism by saying Brahmans will never use harsh words.kanchi jeyendra saraswathi is from your caste only.see what he has done to womens.that means Brahmans will not use harsh words but they will do illegal activities.right.
both hindu and non-hindu widows of india are tortured and facing sexual assault in brindavan ashram in uttarpradesh. They are most of them made to live in ashram by their own in-laws in north india. Why people hate the birth of female child and why they dont accept widowhood is because of the foolish customs of aryans in the past. Both men and women want a male child in india. Because they have to work hard to earn money to be given as dowry for bridegrooms.our tamil culture never tortured girls and women in the past, you people only changed everything….and in temples Women as Goddess is worshipped with pomp and gaiety…..in north india most of the people are especially women still illiterate in states like rajasthan, madhyapradesh, bihar and UP……. we have no words to explain now.
yes good obervation, we have travelled here almost for 9 months to prove the facts, thats why they were not invited for the conference. Intelligence played a crucial role in the conference it seems. Haunted memories of the past still in the blood i guess. Yes, they dont use harsh words but silently and slowly injecting poison into our culture, no bloodshed, no pain, no labour….. good and brillliant job indeed :)
mother teresa was opposed by a pandit in bengal when she started her charity misson but the same pandit was treated by mother teresa for his diesease leprosy when his own community neglected him. She used to touch him and applied medicine, why she selected calcutta as her place for charity work? because calcutta was full of povrty and she could not tolerate the sufferings of people and she decided to settle down there. religion does not see partiality…only we humans create all kinds of differences.
even now u follow the same customs and rules made by your ancestors ..mr.indian..u already proved that in your earlier comments against tamilians. even in temples in tamilnadu all the loudspeakers are playing the tamil divine songs only though u chant the mantra inside in sanskrit. before entering temples one should be pure hearted and have complete faith in God, then only u would come to know abt the glorious past of tamil culture and tradition which is still followed by tamil people. when u wud be selfish in tamilnadu abt ur language then try to keep it safely but u should not humiliate the classical nature of tamil and its antiquity. sit and think deeply…. abt what i have written u would be gulity conscious for humiliating tamilians.
Let me put few more points in commonโฆ.
First of all I am not here to flight which/who is betterโฆI started with a reply to โโMISS Mโโ & โโPERIYAR MAINTHANโโ regarding the grammatical concept which they use & abt VDO in BBC.This was regarding purely the origin of wordsโฆ.
It en-route to some other thingsโฆโฆโฆโฆโฆ.
But listen frnds โ the way u reacted / responded may (will) tarnish Ur imageโฆ
& finally it my own wish & will to include Shri (or) thiru (or) mr. & donโt interfere it tatโฆ
Yes I am a Brahmin only โฆโฆโฆโฆ& can u say wat v ruled u over 2000 yearsโฆ.to my knowledge 50-100 yrs b4 Brahmins will avoid seeing/touching (but if u ask the reason I donโt know โ I admit here). Brahmins will near use harsh words (like wat u did) or beat or anything elseโฆโฆโฆ?
Now itโs totally deviating to other topicโsโฆโฆโฆ..
no tamil authors of ancient period had SACRED THREAD and there are some websites mentioning them all as brahmins. Do you think it is fair?
you are the one who humiliated ethopians too? are u God fearing? you are the one who humilated tamilans and tamil language? do u believe in God? We never humiliate sanskrit…u can check it out. yes..u people never humiliate as u say but indirectly humiliate us so many times by comparing tamil and sanskrit.
Tamil sithhars had been and a true sitthar would preach always selfless service to the humanity and they never preached casteism and cruelty against women. They were out of this world and no one could shake them when they medidate. Those who claim this art of yoga and siddha medicine and siddhars have come from their culture are fearless of the divine power. This would continue to manipulate…a deep study abt this true and disciplined culture of sitthars would put light on the darkness and show who are cheating and why they are cheating. We always welcome and supported good and true people of all cultures whether they are sanskriti spoken people or urdu speaking people…no partiality in tamilnadu..but we are always not given recognition…we are born to struggle…this is the truth….
Can you just tell us why the names of some cities of tamizh nadu hade been changed or the first title “thiru” removed and “shri” added? The cities are “Sriperumputhur”, Srivilliputhur” and Srirankam”…can you just give explantion about why “thiru” was removed in these cities. Do you people want to occupy the whole tamizh nadu and make us all the homeless just like the tamizhians of ILANKAI. Also, understand, just like “KANKAI”, …”‘ILANKAI” (srilanka) has also “KAI” in it, it is just written to show you the tamizhian culture in the whole india once upon a time today sadly it is not, because of invasion. LEMURIA had gone into the ocean already. We tolerate everything and bear the humiliation. Mentally and physically, we had been tortured when you had entered into our land and today you say that we use harsh words. We are the most HURT presently, because we have come to know about the reality of our culture in the sind region. The only question now to GOD is why he had created us all and also you? When you had your space then why you people wanted to murder tamizh? what is her mistake after all? when she would be immersing into the ocean in the future she would be going in there with PAINFUL HEART. She would also CURSE the ALMIGHTY for creating her. Before the ocean engulf her, KANYAKUMARI wanted to tell you something which you had already read.
I dont go deep into grammatical concepts…i always use my natural instinct…i hate to follow grammer but have to because of a need badly needed :) Expressions are important in life than grammer.
Dear All,
Missing you all a for long time.I feel sad that debate is going out of track.Most of contributers have started involving personal biases over debated topic like religion and casteism.
Apart from this ,for the kind attention of Indian wrt Tolkkapiam.Tolkkapiam is not the first Tamizh Grammar work.Besides this,there were so many Grammar works existed in prior to Tolkkapiam which was destroyed by natural and man made calamaties.
Aindiram includes Aram,Porul,Inbam,Veedu and Turavu not the aindiram school of Grammar.
โIt is a literary and cultural monument of great importanceโ
Tolkappiyam is not dependent on Sanskrit sources and a work that demanded not only vast knowledge but also a lot of thinking from its author, according to Alexander Dubyanskiy, veteran Tamil scholar from Moscow State University.
โMany scholars (have) pointed out that Tolkappiyam is dependent on Sanskrit sources. It is said that its author, Tolkappiyanar followed the Aindra School of linguistics. Subrahmanya Sastri, a scholar who studied Tolkappiyam, even stated that some parts of the work were translations of some portions of Panini’s Ashtadhyayi, Yaska’s Nirukta, Rigveda Pratishakya, etc., which according to me is not right,โ he said in his paper presented at the World Classical Tamil Conference on Sunday.
โI think it is not correct because at those times the process of interaction of texts was connected not with translating but with rendering and, speaking generally, there was nothing unusual in borrowing or using ideas from other sources.โ
The author of Tolkappiyam was a well educated person who used the works available to build a construction of his own and place the same in the mainstream Indian theoretical linguistic thought.
He said that it was known that Tolkappiyanar did not try to conceal his indebtedness to his predecessors and often used โ around 150 times โ expressions which clearly signified them.
Vast knowledge
โI am sure that Tolkappiyam is a work which demanded not only vast knowledge and a lot of thinking but a considerable creative skill from its composer.โ
Dr. Dubyanskiy also said, โInterestingly enough, there are cases when Tolkappiyanar himself shows his independence on the Sanskrit tradition.โ He quoted a verse to underscore his point.
โBesides, one should not forget that Tolkappiyanar described not an Indo-Aryan [language], but Tamil, a language of a different family with its own phonetics and grammatical structure and he could not copy the sources blindly.โ
In his tribute to Tolkappiyanar, the professor said that though nothing much was known about him, he seemed to be a person of great intellect, deep thought and an open mind.
On Tamil and its classical status, he said any classical language presented itself in a fixed verbal form that was in the form of a certain kind of treatise, a text describing and analysing the structure and specific features of the language or literature, prescribing rules and regulations for them.
Like Greek, Latin and Sanskrit, Tamil too had such texts, he said and added โduring more than 2,000 years of its development, Tamil tradition produced a great quantity of such texts. Many of them are very famous like โNannool,’ โYaaparunkalam,’ โAgapporul,’ among others.โ
โTogether with commentaries they made a vast section of literature of a special kind, very important and interesting. And, in the beginning of the theoretical tradition stood Tolkappiyam, a treatise connected with Tamil classical poetry.โ
Dr. Dubyanskiy further said that the authority of the text was undeniable. โIt is a literary and cultural monument of great importance.โ
Shri Abdul ur reply sounds gud…..
but check the link below…….
เฎตเฎ เฎตเฏเฎเฏเฎเฎเฎฎเฏ เฎคเฏเฎฉเฏ เฎเฏเฎฎเฎฐเฎฟ
เฎเฎฏเฎฟเฎเฏเฎคเฏ
เฎคเฎฎเฎฟเฎดเฏ เฎเฏเฎฑเฏเฎฎเฏ เฎจเฎฒเฏ เฎเฎฒเฎเฎคเฏเฎคเฏ
เฎตเฎดเฎเฏเฎเฏเฎฎเฏ เฎเฏเฎฏเฏเฎฏเฏเฎณเฏเฎฎเฏ เฎเฎฏเฎฟเฎฐเฏ เฎฎเฏเฎคเฎฒเฎฟเฎฉเฏ
เฎเฎดเฏเฎคเฏเฎคเฏเฎฎเฏ เฎเฏเฎฒเฏเฎฒเฏเฎฎเฏ เฎชเฏเฎฐเฏเฎณเฏเฎฎเฏ เฎจเฎพเฎเฎฟเฎเฏ
เฎเฏเฎจเฏเฎคเฎฎเฎฟเฎดเฏ เฎเฎฏเฎฑเฏเฎเฏ เฎเฎฟเฎตเฎฃเฎฟเฎฏ เฎจเฎฟเฎฒเฎคเฏเฎคเฏเฎเฏ
เฎฎเฏเฎจเฏเฎคเฏ เฎจเฏเฎฒเฏ เฎเฎฃเฏเฎเฏ เฎฎเฏเฎฑเฏเฎชเฏเฎชเฎ เฎเฎฃเฏเฎฃเฎฟเฎชเฏ
เฎชเฏเฎฒเฎฎเฏ เฎคเฏเฎเฏเฎคเฏเฎคเฏเฎฉเฏ เฎชเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏ เฎ เฎฑเฏ เฎชเฎฉเฏเฎตเฎฒเฏ
เฎจเฎฟเฎฒเฎฎเฏ เฎคเฎฐเฏ เฎคเฎฟเฎฐเฏเฎตเฎฟเฎฉเฏ เฎชเฎพเฎฃเฏเฎเฎฟเฎฏเฎฉเฏ เฎ เฎตเฏเฎฏเฎคเฏเฎคเฏ
เฎ เฎฑเฎฎเฏ เฎเฎฐเฏ เฎจเฎพเฎตเฎฟเฎฉเฏ เฎจเฎพเฎฉเฏเฎฎเฎฑเฏ เฎฎเฏเฎฑเฏเฎฑเฎฟเฎฏ
เฎ เฎคเฎเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏ เฎเฎเฎพเฎฑเฏเฎเฏ เฎ เฎฐเฎฟเฎฒเฏ เฎคเฎชเฎคเฏ เฎคเฏเฎฐเฎฟเฎจเฏเฎคเฏ
เฎฎเฎฏเฎเฏเฎเฎพ เฎฎเฎฐเฎชเฎฟเฎฉเฏ เฎเฎดเฏเฎคเฏเฎคเฏ เฎฎเฏเฎฑเฏ เฎเฎพเฎเฏเฎเฎฟ
เฎฎเฎฒเฏเฎเฏ เฎจเฏเฎฐเฏ เฎตเฎฐเฏเฎชเฏเฎชเฎฟเฎฉเฏ เฎเฎจเฏเฎคเฎฟเฎฐเฎฎเฏ เฎจเฎฟเฎฑเฏเฎจเฏเฎค
เฎคเฏเฎฒเฏเฎเฎพเฎชเฏเฎชเฎฟเฎฏเฎฉเฏ เฎเฎฉเฎคเฏ เฎคเฎฉเฏ เฎชเฏเฎฏเฎฐเฏ เฎคเฏเฎฑเฏเฎฑเฎฟเฎชเฏ
เฎชเฎฒเฏ เฎชเฏเฎเฎดเฏ เฎจเฎฟเฎฑเฏเฎคเฏเฎค เฎชเฎเฎฟเฎฎเฏเฎฏเฏเฎฉเฏ..
เฎฎเฏเฎจเฏเฎคเฏ เฎจเฏเฎฒเฏ เฎเฎฃเฏเฎเฏ เฎฎเฏเฎฑเฏเฎชเฏเฎชเฎ เฎเฎฃเฏเฎฃเฎฟเฎชเฏ โ> This line indicates, that tholkappiam is NOT the first tamil grammar book. Tholkappiar says, that he is wanting to refining an already existing grammar book.
เฎจเฎฟเฎฒเฎฎเฏ เฎคเฎฐเฏ เฎคเฎฟเฎฐเฏเฎตเฎฟเฎฉเฏ เฎชเฎพเฎฃเฏเฎเฎฟเฎฏเฎฉเฏ เฎ เฎตเฏเฎฏเฎคเฏเฎคเฏ
เฎ เฎฑเฎฎเฏ เฎเฎฐเฏ เฎจเฎพเฎตเฎฟเฎฉเฏ เฎจเฎพเฎฉเฏเฎฎเฎฑเฏ เฎฎเฏเฎฑเฏเฎฑเฎฟเฎฏ
เฎ เฎคเฎเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏ เฎเฎเฎพเฎฑเฏเฎเฏ เฎ เฎฐเฎฟเฎฒเฏ เฎคเฎชเฎคเฏ เฎคเฏเฎฐเฎฟเฎจเฏเฎคเฏ
the mention of vedas.. i think tholkappiar mentions about his guru in pandian court, who is a learned men of all four vedas..
เฎฎเฎฒเฏเฎเฏ เฎจเฏเฎฐเฏ เฎตเฎฐเฏเฎชเฏเฎชเฎฟเฎฉเฏ เฎเฎจเฏเฎคเฎฟเฎฐเฎฎเฏ เฎจเฎฟเฎฑเฏเฎจเฏเฎค
เฎคเฏเฎฒเฏเฎเฎพเฎชเฏเฎชเฎฟเฎฏเฎฉเฏ เฎเฎฉเฎคเฏ เฎคเฎฉเฏ เฎชเฏเฎฏเฎฐเฏ เฎคเฏเฎฑเฏเฎฑเฎฟเฎชเฏ
Here, the word เฎเฎจเฏเฎคเฎฟเฎฐเฎฎเฏ indicates the Aindram School of Sanskrit grammar, which is the first of the eleven sanskrit schools of grammar. All these grammars had preceded Paniniโs grammar, and is mentioned by himself in his work Ashtadhyayi.
link,
http://psenthilraja.wordpress.com/2010/07/06/influence-of-sanskrit-over-tamil/
i am not author or coining a new meaning…….jus forwarded 2 u……pls check…..
refer this given below site to know about how the tamizhian culture so rich was under various rulers with selfish motives.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akandabaratam/message/49927
ainthu is 5 in tamil. so ainthiram is a pure tamil word. when u had separated urself from all the dravidians in the past then why did u people want to have relation with tamilians and tamil? u can not hide the facts that u had and still have appreciation for our culture.
kumari kandam is not a myth. There was a kingdom of pandian already developed and the capital city was madurai (mathurai). We do not have any connection with sanskrit. Tamil grew on its own and suffered a lot by the arrival of aryans and their created sanskrit. the hard works of ancient literary works are not available but we say tolkaapiyam is the oldest now. ancient Tamilian knew about the evolution and he named each one after detailed study. Nothing can match their hard work. They were very very helpful and innocent than todays world. They had to suffer by welcoming aryans.
Hai Indian,Good Citation but it is just a preface given by someone…not a part and parcel of Tholkkapiam..: Aindra school of grammar Tolkฤppiyam is claimed to have been modelled on the Sanskrit grammar of the Aindra school.[1] The preface(เฎเฎฟเฎฑเฎชเฏเฎชเฏเฎชเฏเฎชเฎพเฎฏเฎฟเฎฐเฎฎเฏ )of Ilampuranar’s twelfth century commentary of the Tolkappiyam, describes it as aindiram nirainda (‘comprising aindra’).[2]. This annotation was interpreted by Arthur Coke Burnell as alluding to the pre-Paninian Aindra school of Sanskrit grammar mentioned in the Ashtadhyayi. To investigate his hunch, Burnell compared the Tolkappiyam with the non Paninian Katyantra grammar and concluded that the Tolkappiyam indeed exhibited a strong influence of the non Paninian school of grammar.So,donot confuse Tholkkapiam with Aindiram and Naanmarai(4 VEDAS).
Even today you may write a book,I can write a biased preface..for that.So,donot take useless things for debate…I hope ,i made things crystal clear unto u..
Dear (H)Indian,Where r u nw…no facts from net to denigrate Tholkkapiam..? so,dont talk or debate with little knowledge to fool the innocent people especially dravidians…ok…where r ur aindiram and naamarai to wrongly co-relate with tholkkapiam…if v eave as it is..! u people ,even may say ..tholkkapiam is written by brahmin or any aryan…ur sanskrit is never born to die..it is artificially created language to fool and get the jack of the kings …and make easy money…! Tamizh is naturally grown language…its begining dates to begining of the world and end will be the end of this world…
Tamizh is naturally grown languageโฆits begining dates to begining of the world and end will be the end of this worldโฆ
WELL SAID!!!! again….i appreicate you thambi
if tolkappiyan is wanting to refining an already existing grammer book then it ….ITSELF proves that there were already tamil text before…..good point….so, telling that tolkaapiyam is the oldest one would be out of the debates and discussions.
Dear abdul thambi, your comment, “Most of contributers have started involving personal biases over debated topic like religion and casteism”…..by writing this, you have forgotten that you have been travelling with us also using another name….it is like you are leaving us in the middle of the river like “kaateri” the ferocious river….your comments are very much hurting. When you have taken a job of reforming the society, it is unfair to put the blame on us..we are hurt.
The pillars of the castle of dreams have been pulled away suddenly, total colapse, heart attack, paralised and bed-ridden, medicines and also tears… but “tamizh” survived :) Thank God, our “mother” was saved. hahahha
khud ko jalakar raakh kar leti hu…phir bhi jee lene ki aasha aur tamanna man mein burqaraar rakti hu…shaayad isliye har baar aati hu aur leti hu khabar duniya ki…ek din chup ho jane ki tamanna dil mein hai. bas aap sab khush raho…khushi hi zindagi hai…na jaane insaan kyon nahi pehchaan nahi kar paata ek doosre ki dard ko…duaayen sab ko de rahi hu…meri ghalti maaf ho jaaye ghalti na jaane kaise ho gayi…jaanke nahi kiya..dil se.
The phonix bird always think of emerging away from its own ash to live again. But, it would stop emerging one day…may all the humanbeing of this world live peacefully with happiness. Life is all about happiness. May the Almighty give power to all the humans to understand each others problem. By passing wishes for all i hope to relieve myself away from the sin i had made “unknowingly” here.
Do not ever try to use the current tension and incite the people. Always truth would be truth forever..indian……You always incite people to gain a lot. That wont give you good results. Always be straightforward and good hearted about accepting truth.No tamilian is here inciting people…all of them are real facts happened, still people are suffering, this is best evidance for you. First of all, sanskrit is not a spoken language today and it remain merely a spiritless or dead language and only used for chanting hymns. ofcourse as you say “avataaram” is not ours because we do not make reincarnation but only believe in rebirth. You have created so many avataars to mint money and keep the people brainless forever. The surprising factor here is you minortiy people are dominating the majority people….God is full of surprise too and at the same time confused too about your tricks so cunning. He knowingly created you all and is continuously watching you all. we tamilians always forgive and forget. we only talk and write but dont do anything. we dont know how to create conspiracies.
the very fact of welcoming all the people especially from kerala have made tamilians suffer too, they use our language tamil and mint money and forget us soon after they cross the tamilnadu border and some who reside in tamilnadu never talk well of tamil language. Tamilians have been tolerating all eventhough they talk ill of us. It seems they are very very soft hearted at the same time emotional too. Aryans exploit this character of tamilians very well.
vandavarai vaazha vaithu vittu saahum manitharkal thamilarkal
Sanskrit was knowingly made to be mixed with kannada, telugu and malayalam by the aryans against tamilians to create tension among people. Casteism was created to make the dravidians fight with each other, infact all are same with equal talent, but since they are divided by high caste and low caste, both the non-brahmins are fighting with each other. very well planned customs to end them all. The aryans do not want generally the whole dravidians of india to live.
most of the playback singers in tamilnadu are brahmins and malayalis and they say importance was not given to them. not only they are dominating the music field but also dance field. The judges are always brahmins, how do they say that there is no importance for them. Tamilnadu has been so far encouraging all people and real talent of tamilians are emerging slowly these days. We have given a lot of place for them in tamilnadu even though they divided the people. In reality, the numbers of brahmins are very low compared to the other 3 groups in india. The 4 groups are for the whole india not only for tamilnadu. How much people suffered becos of these groups those who suffered and God only knows. No other country would tolerate them like indians tolerated. Indians are generally very very peace loving people and in north india if tension is active then its because of the crooked intention of the aryans a small group only and those who believe them, sadly they are non-brahmins with selfish motives. Everyone has a rite to choose their way of life and religion. It depend upon their psychology and circumstances. Ultimately all are in need of peaceful life whatever religion they belong to. Life is very very short…. and people should not fight with other in the name of religion and caste. So called brahmins receive and touch the coins of backward class people and breath the same air left by christians and muslims too.
Dai indian,i think you are a north Indian or Brahman living in Tamilnadu.maybe 99% you will be Brahman because of your support to Brahmans.you people had ruled us for over 2000 years.that is enough now.we(Dalits) are emerging now.we will get upper hand than you in Twenty to Thirty years.so stop arguing.
If God has given much pain to the heart of the people who are neglected in the society in the name of caste, then why do people chase Gods and religions? Is God playing games with people? but Y???
Even if they are neglected they always want to go “IN TO” the temple. Psychological attack in the past, NO WAY!!!!!
“katavul varam koduthaalum poosaari varam kodukkamaataan”
God always allow but the one who stands in the entrance never
Pls note tat wen tamil conference was held
Shri. abdul kalaam was not invited & brahmins who contributed for tamil language has not been given any thanks/respect………
so wat u call this activity as ………
first don’t like shri before name u dirty Indian.write thiru Abdul kalam or Mr.Abdul kalam.
first don’t write shri before name you dirty Indian.write thiru Abdul kalam or Mr.Abdul kalam.
loosu payale indian
if there is no “thiru” how can be there “shri”…just add “sh”…. man. very very simple.
“loosu payale” is purely madurai style :)
“kirukku payale” is purely tirunelveli style :)
Former president Mr. Abdul Kalaam is a tamilian belong to the ramanathapuram district. I think he is from the fishermen community and he struggled hard to get education and how he became the president of india is a wonderful thing. Recently, he was interviewed for a tamil channel by Mr. solomon paapaiyya a christian scholar.
All are equally talented infact much more talented than brahmins. You people know how to chant mantras and how to conduct spiritual meetings gathering all innocent and emotional people of this world as if you are having complete faith in god. The world does not know that you people are cheating them only to mint money. This is the same india where once Rajneesh a fradulent maharishi was minting money like anything and had numbers of rolls royce cars for teaching how to attain “nirvaana” (nakedness) and be happy. Is this what india before? not at all. He had and i dunno still have branches all over this world. In his headquarter in pune (maharashtra) emotionally love and peace seeking people used to gather and how much vulgarity was taught to them those who suffered only know…these people always create illusion to cheat the people by making them dwell in the world of drugs…. he was the one responsible for nithyananda, pirgananda, geetananda, joplananda, koplananda and many more anandaas and “Amma bhagawaans” in india whose sole aim is to cheat the innocent girls and women who are depressed in life. We know very well about Ashram culture of todays india.
Do not ever try to put the blame on other people belong to various religions. we indians need a lot of reformation and revolution in the society.
they created a separate “tag” for them and this very tag is against them today. Why….why such hatredness for people who are non-hindus?… God is actually testing all to know their will power…he is actually not torturing the good people but want to know how much pain they experience and how much they tolerate. Only good people are tested here…not bad people, they are always neglected. Good people has to reach the abode of god sooner than bad people and sometimes when the bad people cross their limit the good people has to go with bad people too…their final destination. Sacrifices are made by good people sometimes for the sake of good atmosphere. God only makes all these things on earth.
Hi Ramesh the Brahman(Priest Caste), It is very funny that Brahmans like you once chanted mantra for over 2500 years are now cleaning Toilets in Bihar and Uttar pradesh.so shut up and don’t argue like this.Untouchables like us are growing at a fast pace but people like you who are still keeping distance and seeing others as untouchables are going lower and lower place.The above information is not my imagination.i had read this report last year from a leading English daily which showed Brahmans cleaning toilets with photos.
In the original moral story, the man who was crying before God was a wealthy person, why did i write a poor man?…because one who thinks that he is the poor man should know the reality that there are so many people poorer than him. When the poor man who cried could get three time meal then he can help those poorer people who can not get afford one time meal. At the end of the story, i want to say that if the man who cried can help the poorer people and he with them can earn money if he believe in “hard work”.
By selling newspapers, candles, aroma sticks, vegetables etc. the poor people can earn and live a happy life full of satisfaction and be happier than before.
The message is for “naxalites, maoists and all who think that violence would only open the gate for them all for solutions. “Easy money” wont stay…but hard earned money would stay and they should be knowledgeble how to protect their money in this treacherous world also today. mind this!
I think suddenly you have forgotten the way to destination Tamizh, you geeta alias m…..what the HELL? chemicals in the brain are diverting :) :) :)
“Keerth”anai in tamizh is hymn, so Geetha is strong toned word…i realise now. :)
Peacock said, ” i am the beautiful bird because of i have beautiful and colourful feathers”
Crane said, Yes i am ugly but i can fly across the ocean, but u can not”.
The moral is “if one is beautiful then he should be calm and composed then only the real beauty would come out. Every animal, bird and human are given talent some are born handicapped, blind, dumb and deaf…we can not get the answer from God, He wont come down to explain the matters, we have to tolerate everything. Even Periyar who opposed aryans and their foolish hindu cutoms and casteism died at the age of 95 years, why did not he die at the age of 30 or from the day itself when he started opposing the cruel customs of aryans? Every one pray and do the daily rituals but God can not satisfy all, all are destined.
one day a very very sad poor man went to the abode of God and said “I am the most saddest person on earth, i have so many problems, agonies in life, he was crying. God said, please make a bundle of all of your sorrows and keep it in front of me, the poor man did as God said.
After some days, he went to meet God, and saw before him many more bundles kept, he asked God, from where these bundles came and they are bigger than mine. God said, just like you people came here to cry and kept them here, can you see now, your bundle of sorrow is very much small?…. Do not ever think that you are the most affected one. Think about those who can not afford one time meal also. Think about those who cant talk…you have legs to wear shoes, think about those who do not have legs, you see everything, think about the blind people and and…..everything.
So, try to accept the truth and be open hearted. “GOD IS ONE” and HE IS POWERFUL
Story teller – No.2 :) Those who with sleeping disorder can read the above story. :)
Muslims way of worshiping God is Good compared to other Religions.Because God has no particular forms and shapes.Jesus is a messenger of God.Above Jesus one God is there he is the real God.Hindus are worshiping Elephants,Monkeys,Rats,Lion,Tiger,Peacock,Squirrel,Snakes and everything.But when they see these creatures they will run away.If a Lion or Tiger comes Hindus should not run away.They have to kneel down and pray to the lions and Tigers “Oh God, please bless us.Please give wealth and health”. Lions and Tigers are Gods to Hindus so they should not run away.Please try this and you will go to Heaven.God Promise.
nothing but smile is the answer thambi.
Squirrel is a soft and swift and funny animal, u make me curious :)
Dont jus blame on aryan’s/brahmins every time……….@ wat capacity ur saying tat ?
capacity means here, …..embrace all with love…dont be selfish. Because of you…..all started.
Indians are against “embrace all with love” so dont write that again in future, brain of indian people takes everything differently :) you are not a leader so spirtual to use such words, got it!!!! :)
“embrace all with love” is the first lesson that can make a person get the attraction worldwide, immediate response and you start open your branches all over universe, do social service here and there and talk about it continuously :) and mint money, easy job, i am wasting my time here :) and choose a light coloured attire that can do magic :)
the people who eat, drink and sleep tamizh are not thinking about giving respect to it….then who would come to respect it? wherever u are u should give respect to the language if it is giving u comfortable life, we tamizhians if we go to russia or america or mexico or even to andaman for survival we wud be loyal to the language of that country this is our true nature….but those who are non-tamilians especially brahmins hate tamizh but use it for gain.
to all dear frnds…….
tollkappiyam is the oldest tamil lit….in the current scenario…….
time may be around (3.B.C to 10 A.D)
& it has influence of sanskrit……..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolk%C4%81ppiyam#Influence_of_Sanskrit
So wats ur point 4 this……
first of all “adhikaaram” does not have relation with “athikaaram”…”ati” means “line”. The first line of the poem or the 5th line of the poem. athikaaram is a tamil word and “adhikaaram” means “command” or “order”. Who gave the wrong note that adhikaaram is having relation with athikaaram…No one hate good aryans like mahakavi bharathiyar he also wrote “jagam”(world) a sanskrit word in his poem but in tamil it is “ulagam”(world) …jagam got inspiration from ulagam only. Eventhough he was from your community mr.x, we love him for his poems and the spirit in them and the genuine emotions…no one can deny that…he was not supporting his community…do you know that?
He said, there is no caste…my child, it is sin to humiliate people in the name of community (kulam)….in sanskrit “kul”…you write about 3 bc….before that also tamil literature was there, and from all over the universe people crossed the ocean to have contact with tamil culture. those who opposed you became buddhist, jains and sikh in india. They have contributed a lot and had good relation with tamilians. we also follow their principles, do you hate them also along with christians and muslims just because they dont follow your principles? first of all give me the reasons why do you hate muslims and chritistians, what is their fault? why do you hate their religion?…uma a tamil brahmin actress married riyaaz a muslim….why she married him? answer me.
may be kamla kamesh, uma’s mother was not strict.
i never thought that you would be this much knowledgeble tamil thambi….i think the food of madurai is the secret for making talented people.
while crossing madhurai city, i always want to have “JIGAR THANDA” (full of dry fruits) but my husband never stop the car, i am angry with him, next time a glass full of jigar thanda, let me make a plunge into it :) :)
i am not asking the difference between adhikaaram vs athikaaram…..
ok
See below, (copy from wiki……already read it in another blog…but wiki will be reliable )
Influence of Sanskrit
See also: Aindra school of grammar
The grammar expounded by the Tolkappiyam owes a great deal to Sanskrit according to a few scholars.[12] The influence or relationship of various Sanskrit works like Manavadharmashastra, Arthashastra, Natyashastra[8][13] and grammarians like Pฤแนini and Patanjali can be attributed in Tolkappiyam.[14] Some scholars feel that influence of Sanskrit texts are more pronounced in Collathikaram.[15] The eight feelings or meyppaadu mentioned in the Porulathikaram seem to agree with the eight rasas or the rasa theory of the Natyashastra.[8][16]
The relationship between the Tolkappiyam and the various Sanskrit grammatical schools has also been debated. The preface to the Tolkฤppiyam says that its author was well versed in aintiram. Burnell takes this to be a reference to the Aindra school of grammar referred to by other Sanskrit grammarians. He suggests that this was a pre-Pฤแนinian school, and argues that the first two books of the Tolkappiyam, the Vedic Pratisakhyas, a Sanskrit grammar called the Katantra from the 3rd or 4th century, and Kaccayana’s Pali grammar show significant similarities in terms of their organisation and the terminology they use, suggesting that they all belong to the same school.[17] Takahashi, citing the views of Zvelebil and Vaiyapuri Pillai, suggests that the Aindra school is a post-Pฤแนinian school, of which the Katantra is an example.[18] Rajam argues that these studies are methodologically flawed and, after re-examining the question in relation to the first book of the Tolkappiyam, comes to the conclusion that whilst the Tolkappiyam does share characteristics with various Sanskrit works indicating a relationship, it also shows dissimilarities which are significant enough to make it unlikely that they share a common source. Instead, she suggests that these are best viewed as individual nodes within a manifold grammatical tradition.
You talk about only “tolkaapiyam”. One can not deny the facts that aryans have been given place in tamilnadu and they have been ruling the dravdians. How can anyone say that there is no domination of sanskrit? If hindi speaking people like gujaratis and marwaris come here, we pick up words from them too. just like that we use some sanskrit words too, but you want to hide the whole garden of pumpkin in a heap of rice just becos the tamil literature borrowed or say the influence of sanskrit in tamil literature. Now, i dont have the copy of tolkaapiyam. There is no harm in taking good things from any other culture like sanksrit or portuguese. Buddists were also using sanskrit but they neglected you…. you always forget to talk about the antiquity of the culture. We have not been tortuing anyone like you. From the beginning itself your arrival or say even if you belong to india then also can you justify your cruelty towards humanbeings?
how many roles you play? not only brahmins you also create “illusion”, weird!!!!! TRUTH.
my point here is before going away from this world, especially tamizh world, he did a mistake, he did not reveal the facts, he wanted to torture both thravidan and brahmins. Was he the naughtiest? :) Tholkappian is watching the game still, because before death he could not fight, he was fully exhausted, his soul is still wandering :)
Hi M
Hi M
Long time no chat. How are you? Happy Diwali to you on November 4th I think
What religion do you belong to M ?
What type of school did you go to and what language were you communicating at that school ?
Do you think the local mosque should be used as a wash room or tourist site where people can come in anytime and watch people bow like dogs to SNIP and take pictures and eat pigs at the same time. Is that what you believe in.
What about the churches ?
are u going to send your kids to the school where miss m got education?….she was not chatting with anyone..She is now gone. one who ate horse meat should not talk about others what they eat and what they follow, it is none of your business. you follow and get the commission from the priest…thats it.
why do you hate mosques and churches? answer me.
I am highly occupied by the thoughts of my father and i saw in him my father..no need to give explanations.
I am the reason for making this blog look like a “chat line”…what to do? i am natural. :)
i do not belong to any religion, but people ask me that. :) I am a “human” want to give importance to “humanity”
sadly, no one give importance to “humanity”. We the creator of religions are humiliating religions by our own bad deeds only. Its better not to explore the minds of people. They have their own problems.
The name of the language in the school was “love and innocence”…but now has changed after coming to this blog after seeing tamizh our mother was suffering. What to do? matter of destiny. I was not searching this blog, it came to me on its own. :)
brahmins of tamil nadu only talk in tamil at home, they dont use sanskrit, they respect tamil more than sanskrit and they know the value and tradition of tamilian culture, only some of them accept the truth…and most of them come here to make a mockery of the language and the people, it shows they are still proudy about their skin colour. Worms would eat their skin too when their body join the sand. One becomes the prey for another…it would continue….even after reading this if they are proud and arrogant then no one even God can not change them. let them be what they are,
Mr. Sheen Fulton said, about the Almighty and his creations.
“you will be hated by all men because you bear My name”.
“He did not promise them health or comfort; bear My name”
Request was made….the answer was.
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“My grace is enough for thee”.
TAKE CARE ALL OF YOU. ….BE HAPPY ALWAYS.,,,MINGLE WITH THE OCEAN AND SLEEP.
YOUR ALL DEGENERATES MANUFACTURED BY THE BRITISH AND EUROPEAN UNTOUCHABLES.
FOLLOWERS OF THE ARAB CULT OF ISLAM GO BACK TO THE ARABIAN DESERT WHERE YOU BELONG.
priest should always use “cool” words.
i really doubt who’s manipulating now………..
the sound “SH” is the manipulator
Prayag in city of Allahabad (UP) is referred to as Triveni Sangamam – where it is believed that the subterranian river Saraswati also meets the Ganga along with the Yamuna.
Here, TRIVENI is a short form of tamizh “THIRIVENI”…..thiri+vellai+neer
…………………………….twisted or mingled+white+water.
The three rivers kankai (Ganga), saraswati and yamunai (yamuna) meet together and the water can be seen so “white”(vellai or venmai in tamizh) ( lightly yellowish water)…So, it clearly shows that the tamizh tradition and culture flourised once upon a time here.
KAILASH mountain………KAYILAAYA MALAI…kayiru+aala+malai
……………………………………………………………..rope+banyan+mountain
The air roots of the banyan tree looked like a rope (kayiru in tamizh) thats why because of the ancient banyan tree and its glory, after this banyan tree the mountain got the name KAILAAYA MALAI (KAILASH).
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The names in punjab state like
MANINDER…………..MANI+INTHIRAN
………………………….mazhai neer+iyankum thiran (sakthi)
…………………………..rainwater+capacity or power
PARMINDER………..PARAM+INTHIRAN
………………………….vallamai+iyankum thiran (sakthi)
………………………….all powerful+power
SURENDER………….SURIYAN+INTHIRAN
…………………………..suriyan+iyankum thiran(sakthi)
…………………………..SUN+POWER
So, the shortened punjabi names have ancient tamizh words in them.
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!
INDER – Refer’s Indira God…….
& not YANTHIRA (MACHINE – iyankum thiran) this also sanskrit………i thing i should not refer this cluster for any cause………..
Dear indian (sindusthanian),
Iyankum thiran…(transformation take place) INTHIRAN…and another transformation ENTHIRAN….and in sanskrit again shrinked ‘YANTRA’…..for easy pronunciation and those who do not want to keep the original word make it short …some for selfless purposes and some for selfish purposes. But, the beauty is staying in the original full form and if the tune is added to it it would be more divine than shortened words.
I think tamizh was corrupted and murdered by the aryans and still it is living.
nazar na lag jaaye!!!!!!!
Save it from the clutches of the demonic people. :)
good decision.
it is not “thing” it is “think” :)
to prounounce “think” as “thing” is purely madurai and tirunelveli style because of keralite’s influence. I was going so fast towards tamizh innocently :) so could not understand, i need more training still though i come from the family of police officials. :)
if “kai” gives the meaning of “coolness” then the mountain “kailayam (kailash) would give the meaning “the mountain of cool climate” here “aala” and “ayam” both give us the name of banyan tree and the place or seat…aala(sivan) and ayam (parvati or kanyakumari amman). Since “KAI” in “Kutikai”(a hut made of coconut leaves or palm tree leaves). “pothikai”(herbal mountain “poikai”(saravana) (shravan in hindi) give us the meaning of coolness. So, this “kai” representing coolness is a tamizh word.enough for us to prove the antiquity of indian culture once ruled by the dravidans.
The tamizh title “thiru” has come from “thirisoolam” so, you should now explain who is your God here in india to prove that you are not an aryan. We had enough.
BOMB BLAST IN VARANASI city only shows that violence is ALIVE.
When law and order system is very much active in India, those who are responsible for hurting religious sentiments should be asked questions and action must be taken. Why innocent people who have no connection with crime are murdered? They are suffering for no FAULT on their part.
Political parties who create crime should be asked for explanations. Varanasi people both hindu and muslim are friendly with each other. They themselves say they are all happy living together. Even Ayodhya people say that they had no problem before and even now, only selfish political people are creating tension that leads to MISUNDERSTANDING and become reason for VIOLENCE. We do not SUPPORT and LIKE the way the innocent people are facing death unnatural way.
” Holy Qurran” never teach muslims to spread violence. PEACEFUL and HAPPY atmosphere is needed for the PEOPLE of INDIA. People of India is always welcoming people of all religions and those who want to spoil this atmosphere shall be shown to the public one day. Violence created by both hindus and muslims or any other community in india is not ACCEPTABLE. May God bless all the people of all religions…..India is a SECULAR country with concepts of SAIVISM and NON-VIOLENCE. Please follow SAIVA SITHANTHAM and be FRIENDLY.
ok…now,
rice in tamizh is “arisi” and in greek “aruza”.
In hindi rice is “chaawal” both cooked and uncooked.
In tamizh we say for steamed rice beaten is “AVAL” (boiled rice with pod is flattened by giving pressure)…. “Aval”.. i am sure is “avithal”.. “boiling”. Avitha+Nel….boiled+rice(nel) fresh rice with outer husk.
So, in tamizh cooked rice is “saadam”(chaadam…prounciation differs in tamizh nadu) and in hindi they took “sa”(CHA) and “AVAL” and they say”chawal”. So, we can say that chaawal is a mixture of two tamizh words.
So, “prashaad” is nothing but “pirasaadam”. “Pira” is an ancient tamizh word which gives the meaning of “importance” or “wonder”.
Like monkey i think “kangaroo” is also a marine animal…native australia…..i dunno it was”ku”ngaroo” before or not….who knows what kind of ancient world and what kind of blood we have today….hmmmmm…it is very difficult to analyse without old time dictionaries…hihihihihihihihi
Dear vivek and all,
Aksharalu …if you see this word it is only AKARAM…..a tamizh word but has “sh” sound added.
Acchan(father) is also a primitive tamizh word and we say for brother-in-law MACCHAN..(maithunan).
I need “LATIN” dictionary to trace out all the tamizh words and it is clear that the old english dictionary has taken all the root words from LATIN and greek, french, german but mainly LATIN words…note this point.
The horse according to english dictionary is ungulate animal (mammal)….This “ungulate”(a hoofed mammal) based on latin “ungula” “little claw” gives me the sound of “ULLANGAI” the palm in tamizh…..in hindi also you can see the similarity they say for fingers “UNGLI”.The dictionary say it has relation with “COMB” and we say for the hoof (the horny part of a foot of a horse) “KUZHAMBU”…do you see the connection between “comb” and “kuzhambu”.
Yes!!!! the ancient latin and greek mainly taken all the words from ancient tamizh during trade promotion. I am sorry to say that tamizh is not mentioned anywhere in the dictionary for such words but only for few words like “mullingtawny”(milaguthanni…soup made of “pepper” and tamarind), “kattamaran” (kattumaram, a small boat made of light weighted wood)
The greek have taken the word “oruza”(rice)…. “arisi” in tamizh.
The hindi word Shakkar (sugar) has been taken from tamizh “akkaram”…the ancient name for sugar. “sh” is added to it
So, we have so far seen so many words in india and in foreign countries have root words in tamizh, but somehow it is not shown anywhere. The world was made to believe that everything has connection sanskrit. wrong notion indeed. If it was done with bad intention by the aryans then it is serious crime, because they wanted and still want to change the history of everything for MAINLY selfish purposes.
GOD HAS NO FORM….EVERY HUMAN BEING AND ANIMAL, BIRDS, AND REPTILES HAVE CLOSE RELATION WITH “WATER”.
THERE ARE TWO FORCES…….GOOD AND BAD.
I BELIEVE IN “SPIRIT”
I am sorry….it is not KUZHAMBU but “kuLambu” in tamizh….the hoof of the horse.
We need to pronounce the words correctly…and why chennaites do not prounounce the words correctly…because of mixtue of cultures and chennai was once upon a time a “place of fishermen folks”….most of them are poor….they are not backward class people but made by the aryans…people belong to weaker section are called backward class people by the aryans. Fishermen do not have basic education in the past and financially they were very very poor and their skin colour made the aryans torture them a lot….no one realise about their hardwork….they risk their life by going deep far away in the ocean to catch fish to feed us all…..change of monsoon make these people suffer a lot….today they have changed a lot….they get good education and monetarily they are better than before….but because of aryans casteism they had to convert themselves to christianity and they are happy and dont have compliants…let them live…Madras is a port city and this city belongs to the fishermen but not now anymore.
Fishermen are very very close to “MARI” the water, whoever torture them and make them shed tears shall go deep into the ocean with them all… especially the srilankans. The good ones have to go with the evil minded also to put an end to all kinds of atrocities.
The innocent and poor tamizhians had to “make and bake” for the srilankans, they exploited them all and now they “break” everything not only the rules but also their hands and legs. I never would like to watch the videos on net how the sri lankans are toruring tamizhians. I hate this world and sometimes God also.
The word “WATER” had been formed from “KUMARI”….”KUWA”TER
The word “WATER” had been formed from “KUMARI”….”KUWA”TER”. “kumari is spelt in hindi as “quwaari”
It seems all these years brahmins have been manipulating the world that they have found everything…and tamizhians have been doing their duty…..only when the technology improved and the internet facility came to show them the reality they talk and write….How cunning the aryans are…..
“pala naal thirudan oru naal akapaduvaan”.
The thief who cheated for so many days would surely be caught red handed one day.
When the whole universe was getting inspiration from the ancient litereature and culture of tamizhians and they are very very frank to accept and adopt the culture and words to their culture….still now…the brahmins are spreading the rumour that they are the creators….when they destroy everything and born to rule the world by cunning methods….how can and who can ever make them accept all? I am surprised that how foolish people were under their rule so far…..and still they are supersticious to believe whatever they say by telling stories of avataarams…..the whole community of aryans is a matter of discussion….they capture the minds very effectively when all the countries are fighting with each other and suffer…..but attacking people not physically but hold them mentally is something very much crooked type….I now realise the pathetic condition of all the tamizh sitthars and the whole dravidians under their atrocities for years…and still
Ezhutthu in Tamil means letters(alphabets),from which the verb form ezhudhu is derived.It is this ezhudhu which transforms as Vraatha in Telugu.But people prefer saying Telugu Aksharalu rather than telugu Vraathalu,unlike in Tamil (Tamil Ezhuthukkal).
Urulai in Tamil means round shaped objectfrom which the vegetable potato gets its name UrulaiKizhangu.Urulu means to roll.This transforms to Burulu inTelugu.
Atthan in primitive Tamil means Father,hence his sister was called Athai,which in turn gave the reference to her husband as Athaan.This Athai is also present in Telugu as Atha.
Though Telugu has an indigenous word to refer to hundred,it is the Tamil word Nooru which is used in a more versatile manner-Nootairavai(120),NootaYaabhai(150).Nobody says Vandhairavai.
Thus the roots of so many words in Telugu(&Kannada) can be traced back to Tamil only.This proves beyond doubt that these were mere dialects of Tamil which gained the status of a language by the influence of Sanskrit.
That was a good observation..
“Urulu” has relation with ROLL.
“Pulli” (dot) has relation with PULL. (because you pull the line or curve from the first dot to make kolam)
“Aatha” is still now used in tirunelveli and deep south cities to call a old woman or mother.
“Maayi” or “Aaayi” is used for calling Goddess or mother also and the word “aayi” is used in Maharashtra for mother.
“Annai” is another word for mother in tamizh which was used i guess for water for providing them food….Annapoorani…this name is very much used in south india…not in north india i suppose.
“Thaai” another name for mother in tamizh, we also use and kannadigaas also use this for mother.
“makamaayi” is a pure tamizh word for Goddess who has supreme power(makimai) and the brahmins have taken this and added “ha” sound to it and say “Maha”.
So far, i have found water has been given importance….and it makes me think about “Kuthirai”(horse) and “Kurangu”(monkey)….are these two animals marine…..since “ku” is used for all things related with water…i guess horse and monkey both are marine animals once upon a time…..let me think deeply…..
What about “Mermaid”….is it a myth or truth?
ANNAPOORNI
ANNA = FOOD
POORNI = FULL mentioning in feminine gender……..
annam is food indeed in tamizh and poorani is one who is removing hunger…feeding someone with food….”Annapoorani” is another name for parvati also….so many names given to “maariyaata”. See the beauty of tamizh words and give respect to it….you are actually using the tamizh words but shortened..be respectful and dont spit on it.!!!!!
Whoever is humiliating this “ANNAAMMAN” would get the suitable answer. One of the names of sivan is also “ANNAMALAIYAN”, the lord of the mountain, the fire form.
“annapoorani” in ancient time was “annapoora”neer” “neer” means water in tamizh and later on since the water was given a female form, they began to call this goddess “annapoorani”. Just like the word “thaneer” (water) presently used in tamizh when fastly used
becomes “thanni”. “panneer”(one of tamizh names of water) became “paani” in hindi.
KUMPAPISEKAM is the tamizh word for cleaning the tower of temples with water in tamizhnadu. So, this “ku” is definitely water.
kumpa+appisekam. (kum+paal+appisekam????)
…………………………..(water+milk+appisekam)
(Temple culture of tamizhnadu and the pyramid of egypts have connection with each other….only the shapes are different…..)
“Su”rangam,(the tunnel) “su”nai (the natural underground river), aNai means the water dam in tamizh….”su”ruli” (near madurai city) water falls also are to be explored “ruli”…means whirling or rotating so the water of the walls is whirling here…….. su” is used for water beneath earth…or related to water. Does this have connection with the “sumerian” culture?…….Kumerian……Sumerian…..hmmmm…
There are so many names of sivan in tamizh….like “su”rangan and “su”reswaran”……”Su” means “earth” here…..one of the five elements of this universe…So, Sivan is not only representing fire but also water and EARTH as well…the names of sivan are also “sudalaimaadan” and “sudalaimuthu”……the graveyard in tamizh is “sudukaadu”…..the imaginary form of sivan is dancing here in the midnight putting his feet on the ash of the dead bodies….so, “su”dukaadu means the ground or the earth of the forest where the dead bodies are to be burnt……
He is also the form of AIR becos his name is also “vaayulinkam”….vaayu means the air….
He is also the “Lord of Medicine”…his name is “VAITHIYALINKAM”….vaithiyam is medical treatment in tamizh. So, to give wrong meaning to this medical instrument would be against the creation and original meaning of name given. The noble tamizh citthars had been practising this art of medicine full of natural herbal plants under the banyan tree with sincerity.
soon after the creation of humanbeings, the one thing next which would be given importance is “treatment”…because they had been created and left on earth, they had no clue during the spread of dreadful ailments, so, they were trying all sorts of methods to cure people….they started worshipping nature, the water, the fire, the air, the earth and the sky for blessings…the mystery here is how did the tamizh citthars came to know about the herbal plants and prepare medical practice….no one was there for inspiration…what made him observe the plants and extract decoction, powders etc????….He found the mortar and pestle to start the ancient medical practice…later on began to worship it as it was giving them the relief…..this grinder is the inspiration for so many cooking materials today we have for preparing food…ok…whatever… there was a “misunderstanding” and that made the way for more religions……the nature had been spoiled by the poisonous minds of humans….i want to get away from this world full of corruption….but have commitments.
VAITHIYANAATHAN, the “Lord of Medicine”…just like RANGANATHAN, “the Lord of universe or stage or assembly” …VAITHEESWARAN is also another name of Sivan in tamizh.
Taken from net
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“Banyan Tree, this tree also symbolizes life and fertility in many Hindu cultures. That is the reason, banyan tree is worshiped by those who are childless and this tree should never be cut”.
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Now in hindi banyan tree is BARGAD
In sanskrit………………………KALPAVRIKSH.
But in tamizh……………………AALA MARAM
Now, it is clear that HIMA+”AALA”YAM” and KAI+”LAAYA” (kailash) the both words for the mount himalaya have tamizh words….
Aaala+Ayam (name of parvati is being worshipped in salem dt.(TN)
banyantree(sivan)+goddess(parvati)
It shows the “antiquity” of the tamizh culture. All the tamizh sitthars once upon a time lived in this mountainous region and did “meditation”.
The name of the state “MEGHALAYA” (india) has also two tamizh words with it, megam (cloud) and aalaya (banyan tree seat).
“Manipur” has “mazhai neer” tamizh word. “ur” is a city or district.
“Nagaland” has “nagam”(snake) a tamizh word. The another word for nagam is paampu…..in hindi we say “saampf”
Naga paampu……it is i guess naaku+paayum+ampu
……………………………………….tongue+pierce+spear..
The tongue which goes so swiftly like a spear.
hi miss m………wat ur doing is the sandhi spilter…its one of the grammer from sanskrit & now thr all over s.asian language…
but some corrections……
himalaya = hima (cold/chill)
aalaya = place
both are sanskrit origin only………..
MEGHALAYA = megha + aalaya (both are sanskrit only-check below link)
Check ”NAAGA” also its also sanskrit word
http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?script=HK&tinput=clouds&country_ID=&trans=Translate&direction=AU
i dont know y u say all/many sanskrit words has tamil…
Note: website is maintain by german group….so no aryan/dravidian fight here……….
for AALA MARAM
AALA = Deep inside
MARAM = Tree
aalamaram means the name given to the tree banyan tree in tamizh…..do not try to cheat the world….rite
AALUM VELUM PALLUKU URUDI….the oldest and the ancient tamizh proverb….ask the meaning and try to follow it.:}
yes maram in tamizh is tree…thank you. i didnt know the meaning of “aala”…is it the “deep”?…why given? thanks for the information.
we also say aalankatti mazhai, means the rain with small and big ice cubes sometimes…i used to gather the ice cubes…is “aala” mean cool or what? then this would mean that aalamaram means the tree which gives the shade and cooling effect simultaneously. It seems this tree plays a crucial part than humans.
KUTHCHAALAM..if you spilit this word then u get aalam …so, aalam means coolness, “ku” means water here so, “cool water” is the meaning of this mountainous falls ancient in nature. “aala means not “deep” but “cool”.
ALARMEL MANGAI…ALAMELU….this tamizh name itself has a lot of charm and this should be taken for study….My instinct tells me it is Alam+velu….banyan trunk+wood apple tree leaf.(vilva mara ilai)….this name so ancient has been used by the invaders to change its original meaning and the true meaning has been changed and they have given a FEMININE form to it too..its not a wild imagination but formed with selfish motives.
AALA means aalamaram (banyan tree in tamizh)
AYAM means the place of worship (aalayam in tamizh for temple still we use the same word).
AYAM is also the name of Parvati and worshipped in Salem dt.(tn)
MEGHAM means cloud and “mekam” pure tamizh word also mukil(ancient)…i have two words for now. In hindi it is “baadal”.
NAAGA means tongue “naaku” in tamizh…the reptile which use its tongue, an arrow shaped to attack.(paayum ampu..paampu)
TAMIZH culture is beyond IMAGINATION and those who want to corrupt and claim would be shown the REALITY…
ALMIGHTY is testing all..
IMAYAM….the original tamizh word….got it!!!!!
IMAALAYAM
ISAKI AMMAN is still worshipped in thirunelveli district and other nearby places of tamizhnadu. This amman is very much famous in these deep southern regions, if ISAKI means ISA+KI, the name of wife(water) of sivan (fire), then it is still ISAKI and not HISAKI, i think aryans have not added “HA” sound to it so far to claim, only they have changed the name of IMAYAM and by adding “HI” made it HIMALAYA to fool this entire universe to claim that the whole india is their place by cheating the dravidians. I dont have enough time to explore the names of amman and appan (sivan) which are still countless in tamizhnadu to find out the connection between altered names created by aryans.
ISAKI AMMAN is still worshipped in thirunelveli district and other nearby places of tamizhnadu. This amman is very much famous in these deep southern regions, if ISAKI means ISA+KI, the name of wife(water) of sivan (fire), then it is still ISAKI and not HISAKI, i think aryans have not added “HA” sound to it so far to claim, only they have changed the name of IMAYAM and by adding “HI” made it HIMALAYA to fool this entire universe to claim that the whole india is their place by cheating the dravidians. I dont have enough time to explore the names of amman and appan (sivan) which are still countless in tamizhnadu to find out the connection between original tamizh names and altered names created by aryans.
megam or makem…means cloud.
naagam or naakam means tongue.
paampu means paayum ampu…the arrow “like tongue” which the snake use to attack…see the beauty in it..
“karu mekam” means “black cloud” in tamizh. If you ask the meaning of “mai” then it is the black paste or cream which is applied on eyes to enhance the beauty. “Maikam” …then i think it has the purest and the ancient meaning than what we know today. “karu mai”kam….the blackest paste like cloud….The pronunciation differs from people to people when their tongue get twisted like “megam”…the sound “ga” added….so, the word “megam” is a pure tamizh word….in hindi “surma” or “suru”mai” aankh (eyes) means the eyes with black paste applied…”the tamizh word “mai” is used here….”soorma” or “surma” is powder…in tamizh we say “chooranam”…anything chemical or medicine powdered or pounded….herbal products.
“Kaarmekam” means in tamizh the black cloud…..karu otr kari or karumai or karuppu means “black colour” and to say that “karikaalan” is a sanskrit word is wrong also….we strongly condemn such changes added already or recently to claim with selfish motives…..kari means the “coal” or black colour…the king karikaalan who built the “kallanai” the oldest ancient dam near tiruchi district got his leg burnt in a fire accident thats why his name is “karikaalan”…”kaal” is leg in tamizh so, the meaning is… the person with a burnt leg….
meghajalaa as per sanskrit site if it is ….then kutralaam is older than aryans. this falls near tenkasi is beyond antiquity…and “chalam” means water one of the tamil words for water…in sanskrit they add “ja” to “cha”lam….viruthachalam is another city in tamil nadu, the oldest city. Arunachalam is another word for sivan in tamilnadu…chalam also refers to mountains full of cool climate
so, arunachala pradesh,(arunachala pradesam) meghalaya,(mekaaalayam) thiripura (thiripuram) etc. these states in east india tell us that they have tamizhian names and prove the fact that tamizhian had been living in those regions once upon a time.
the name of snake in sanskrit is Sarpam.
in tamil paambu, aravam etc.
“AKARA MUTHALA EZUTHELLAM AATHI PAKAVAAN MUTHATRE ULAKU”.
The meaning of this above tamizh thirukural is “the day the sun started sending its rays down on earth….. the letter “A” came also down…the true version…”Amma” the mother…She started everything. The sun, the heat and the water, the cooling effect both are co-related. It is a sin to kill the animal “cow” because it is feeding us all with milk and this animal is “divine”.
PAKALAVAN prounounced as BHAGWAN in hindi is the sun…pakal+avan…daylight+he….infact “pakal” would mean palichitum kal…the shining stone. palichitum means in tamizh the brightening or the shining…kal means stone. Whether sun is the shining (glowing, burning) stone or not…the scientist would have to tell.
kaayam in tamil means body. kayakalpam is a medicine prepared with herbal products in siddha medicine, the ancient and the oldest medical practice of the tamil sithars. corp is a word taken by the greeks from tamilians during trade contact. i think this land of dravidans have so far faced lots of problems and difficulties. its like aborting the child in the womb by external evil forces.
cordial relationship between tamizhians with greek, latin, egypt and other country people was intact…later on the relationship was not shown to the world because of aryans and they had started suppressing the tamizhians in order to rule this world ..the habit of allowing people with welcoming nature with friendlyness has almost made this tamizh people loose everything…and today we are struggling to establish the hidden ancient facts.
AAKAAYAM in tamizh means sky…but the exact meaning in tamizh is “bodyless”…..meaning it does not have limit and we can not measure it…so, “kaayam” in tamizh means “the body”. “Kaaya kalpam” means the medicine which is prepared to cure the body.
it would also mean “kalpaviritcham” a pure tamizh name for banyan tree which is pronounced as kalpavriksh in sanskrit give us the meaning that this banyan tree has the capacity to give lot of benefits to the humanity. Especially, the stem of this tree.
I already told that the banyan tree and the wood apple tree leaves are good for teeth.
So, the trunk of the banyan tree and the wood apple tree leaf give you the shape of TRISOOLAM…(twisted air roots of banyan tree)…
It is very clear from the english word “TRIDENT”…..dent (dental) word is here secretively sitting to tell you the benefits of the abovesaid both trees….old british english dictionary would reveal us lots and lots of secrets of the ancient world.
The tamizh proverb about these two trees tell us the importance of these two trees….Siddha medicine is full of roots, seeds, decoction of herbs etc etc….
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I think……MANIMEKALAI…..mazhai+mekam+alai
Rain+cloud+wave
I am sure…this word “mani” was used to address the rainwater…we have today the wrong meaning….”a precious stone”….i need to go to the ancient period.
dear, miss m
good move.
Thanks a lot mR.rAJ.
here too miss m,
TRISOOLAM
TRI = 3 (see calender ekadashi, Duvadhasi, TRIOdhasi)
TRIVENI = same apply here also………
oh noooooo………….
do you know the meaning of ancient word “thiri” still in use….it is twisted and sometimes “mingle”, “amalgamation” and “union”.
the pure tamizh word is taken and the manipulation of the aryans are already exposed.
THIRICHIRAPALLI …a district in tamizh nadu….
TRIVENI means “thiricha vellai neer”….the twisted whitish water….the spot where the three river water of ganga, yamuna and saraswathi meet together almost twisted, at this particular spot you can see the water surprisingly, “whitish” (vellai neer…white water) in colour….so “tri” means the “meeting of three matters”…just like “trident” where the trunk of banyan tree and the 2 corners of vilvam or bel or wood apple leaf gives the shape of soolam (trident)….so “tri” means 3 or “twisted” and it is a pure tamizh word… once upon a time tamizh was the language from the top to the bottom of ancient india..from imaalayam to kanyakumari.
the number “3” is also look like trident. Rotate the number now. The exact meaning of this soolam has been changed. Mindboggling!!!!
EKAAMPARAN is also the name of sivan in tamizh…”ekam” means the “first ever” or the one who was in the beginning “paran” is name of sivan…the one who is everywhere in the form of 5 elements. paranthu, virinthu…the spreaded sky etc. so, in tamizh ekathasi, by adding “sh” it is ekadhashi in sanskrit.
“Manimuthaaru”….mani+muthu+aaru means rainwater+pearl+river….the rainwater or drops falling like pearls and made the river.
“Marimuthu”….rainwater or water+pearl.
“Mariappan” means water+father….it seems here, the river has been given the name of “father” also….then sivan is not only fire,earth,air, sky but also water.
This ‘MARI’ has been considered auspicious in ancient time thats why we have words such as “maritime”,”marigold” flower,(yellow colour is auspicious in hindu culture, especially this flower marigold is offered during poosai (pooja) to Amman)”marriage”, “marine” “marital bliss” etc…
MAASILAMANI…this tamizh name is referred to Sivan but the exact meaning is spotless rain water. Massu means dirt or polluted and mani here means mazhai neer..the rain water.
MANIAMMAI this name also refer to rainwater+ mother…so, both parvati and sivan are representing water together, the name MARIAPPAN (rainwater+father) clears the doubt.
Parvati means “parukkellam athi”…the one who rules the whole universe. Empress… ie. water.
because rain drops were compared to the pearls, (POETIC BEAUTY of ancient period). (MANI+MUTHHU= rain water+pearl) the habit of calling the precious stones MANI started. We also have NAKA MANI, the snake “naaka paampu” which is said to have this precious stone…still a myth.
my heart is always traditional.
PULLI (dots) KOLAMS…PURELY “DRAVIDIAN” AND SINDIAN (INDIAN)
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Go back to the past and make it SURVIVE.
PONGAL KOLAMS FOR YOU ALL.
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When Arya has apologised for what he has said we must forgive him according to tamil culture.MARAPPOM MANNIPOM.
Maroppom mannipom
“Forget and Forgive”
U kno what….”fogiving is a severe punishment” than actual punishment….it makes the person to live with guilty conscience forever. Those who exploit the talent of a person should be loyal always. It would show his “humility”.
Marappom Mannipom…yes tamizh culture :) thats why they are struggling to get back their own land ilankai.
Dear miss m,
Most of the north indians who are black are lower caste people that means they are dravidians.Example :up cm mayawati,lok sabha speaker meira kumar are black and they are dalits.IF you take the percentage ratio of fair and dark coloured people in north india it will be 70:30 but it will be in reverse in south india.lower caste people are dravidans.May be they would have settled in north india during aryan invasion.I think you are kicking the Goal on the same side.
you dont understand what i try to say. Colour is not a matter at all. Soon after the invasion of aryans in india, the words like higher and lower, fair and black what kind of terms…we hear everything. Aryans are generally “nothing” when compared to “dravidians” as far as hardwork and discipline are concerned. We MADE everthing and they are ENJOYING. Thats it!!!!…I talk about india and Sri lanka only…dravidians had been and are still exploited. Todays violence are only because of casteism and modernisation of culture. Want of money and life full of comfort are needed and discipline has almost gone….Though we south indians are still now following our Past…because of poverty and vulgarity and bad culture have made the people go on wrong track. Some one is needed to make them follow good culture….We are in a poisonous world….The atmosphere and mainly culture surround only make them like that….We south indians even now follow the good culture of putting KOLAMS on the entrance in the early morning. Nobody actually know the inner meaning and the divinity in kolam….its not art…it teaches you how to tackle difficult situations and how to be calm and tolerant. If you see the “art of kolam” then you would come to know about it….We have not lost any of our rich culture but because of aryanisation exploitation has started. What is in a colour? if some one talk against it then they are NOTHING. They are not God fearing…..Skin after death would spread only bad smell….colour does not have any connection with it…Who would follow or appreicate a dead body and live with it….NO ONE WOULD EVER…The beauty is a ever moving cloud….it wont remain in a place….but the lingering memories would be stagnant forever…. .As long as beauty exist people talk well and write well….and a girl or a woman should follow right path only whatever situation she may be in…Virginity is something SPECIAL….. I only write about the reality and the changes thereafter. U dont get my point.
dear, miss m
i got it.
WHO R U?
you should understand we are not the creators of all customs in reality. People have been following what the brahmins had advised them, they made them believe what they told, so each and every humanbeing should change. It will take a long time. Our indian system and customs are not good. In reality, most of all the humans are cruel hearted, they want to satisfy themselves and they seek such customs which brahmins introduced in a cunning manner.
Charles sobraj, an international criminal fair coloured guy is also a criminal and Idi Amin, a cruel ruler black coloured was also a criminal…What is colour? The “deed” only decide or make the good or bad character of a person.
The aryans are the main reason for all kinds of nonsense customs and cultures in the whole universe. They are the Starters….From them all shoot out….all got sprouted….
dear, miss m
i think your estimation was corret.
i said my HEART is traditional.
on what basis these four divisions brahmins, shatriyas, vaisyas and shudras came into existance..i dont have clue…even in nepal, manipur and nagaland, people with japanese or chinese feature have these 4 divisions too…they are not definitely from central asia….i am sure, it was started by the brahmins initially, later on non-brahmins also began to use such customs and divisions for selfish purposes…as far as colour is concerned, even the lower caste people of north, east and west are more fairer than brahmins….so finanacially weaker section and helpless and supportless of the society was made to be belonged to the backward community….i am also confused why this divisions are followed in other religions too..since mainly in hinduism only these 4 divisions were introduced….what for? …why dont the government of india abolish these names??…in future…i think surely everything will change….After all, we are here to expose such customs to the whole world to prove the atrocities of the sinners… so it would be “BLESSING IN DISGUISE”. Those who are suffering today shall be showered surely with all kinds of blessings from the invisible supernatural power.
I am not kicking the goal, because i do not know how to play games.
because of internet only i have come to know about a lot of information though i studied a little bit about aryan invasion in school. But, after exploring some ancient methods of worshipping of nature purely dravidians, i am SURE now the aryan invasion is not a myth. The people you mention above were living in the same place of india their homeland. Colour has been the reason so far to suppress the people. I do want to comment about aryans. they are heartless.
Dear tamizh makkale (people),
Arya, the malayali is feeling sorry as per todays dinathanthi newspaper report. He said, “I am sorry for making tamizh people feel bad about what i have said i am grateful and thankful to the tamizh industry for what i am today”. ….He mentioned also the films i wrote earlier and he mentioned about “Boss enkira Baaskaran” his recent tamizh a film huge hit…
Arya should not forget the fact that he is not getting money in thousands but in LAKHS sometimes CRORES for acting in tamizh film. When poor people are struggling for 2000/- per month in tamizh nadu he has gone too as far as matters of money concerned. Whoever from which ever part of india, the actors who came to tamizh land earned lakhs of rupees. I have doubt are they talking in support of exploitation of tamizhians in sri lanka or wherever in india may be?
Why do they come to act in tamizh films?
Is it because of their love for the language?
Is it because for becoming famous?
is it because of well paid money they get for acting?
Are they really selfish?
Why do they forget their past soon after they get out of this fim world?
Why dont they accept tamizh and tamizhians and give respect to their emotions?
Do they think that all the tamizhians are emotional idiots?
Are they having topics of “racism” still?
When they act, who are the technicians, are they not all tamizhians?
Why “TAMIZHIANS” are not given their due credit and why they are neglected in whole india?
When we have our ancient past full of glory why are we not allowed to show our love for our mother tongue?
Why our talent is not accepted and why people of india are not frank about the capacity and hardwork of tamizhians?
Are they all jealous?
Are they all narrow minded?
Need an answer.
dear, miss m
you are corret. they are jealous with tamizh & tamizhians.
they hate their mother.
If the theory of Aryans and Dravidians are false then why the northindians and Brahmins are fairer than Dravidians.Look at the skin colour of tamil brahmins they are living in tamilnadu for 2000 years which has a hot climate but still they are more fair compared to other people.can any body explain this?Dont try to give the reason like they are eating wheat,curd rice and ghee.scientifically colour cannot be changed by eating milk items and wheat.genetically north indians and brahmins are having this complexion in their skin.so it proves that they are outsiders.and also look at the nose of north indians.Nose shape of north indians and south indians are different.so finally we can say from skin colour,nose shape that Brahmins and North indians came from central or south central Asia.
Dear periyar mainthane,
hahha…A NOSE IS A NOSE IS A “TOPIC” FOREVER. A thing of beauty for some…I think INNER BEAUTY is important than OUTER BEAUTY which is artificial most of the time. This thing “beauty” brings always danger with it. “Marlin Monroe” is one example….she was leading a life full of sadness….Being famous brings with it restless days…Simplicity is the best…ok…now, if we south indians with a peculiar shape of nose then it proves that we have not lost our blood since ancient period. If the shape of the nose is fluffy and the skin colour is fair then also we can say that there was a mixture of blood. So….the blood has been facing lots of changes all these passing years….hmmm…What about the skin colour of bengalis, UPite, biharis and also you can find darker or brown coloured people in all the states…Few examples, RAJNIKANT is black coloured and kajol(marati and bengali) and priyanka chopra (punjabi), bipasha basu,(bengali) jyotika (muslim and punjabi), simran (punjabi) are brown coloured. After make up they get fair coloured or the technology make them look fairer on screen.
I think among the dravidian group there were different featured people with different colours. If the race is a black one,,,it is difficult to change the colour…but if there is a mixture then you can by having fruit juices and coconut water, curd and milk shake with honey and saffron powder are useful to improve the texture and climatic conditions is another one to give you fairer tone also.
So, by birth if a person is black then he belongs to the black race and i think the word “harappan” is “karuppan” and they were known to have good knowledge about drainage systems and constructions. The excavations in sind region are giving proofs.They were people with highly improved technology in the past and they knew the art of storing grains and farming was very good in those days. We south indians are harappans and we have changed a lot…i mean the blood has changed…but some are still the SAME….During the rule of Akbar the Great, the moghul emperor so many people converted to ISLAM and because of Akbar marrying hindu women also.. the blood had been changed…..deep study about north would reveal so many secrets…hmmm…. Why do they have sharp nose and fair skin?
Even in PUNJAB, a state with cool climate, you can find black skinned people also..So, WHAT HAPPEND IN THE SIND REGION?…..WHO CAME AND FROM “WHERE”?….Make a list of invaders into this region…..
Thank you for your creative mind….very good observer!…
funny guy you are… keep observing people and send me the report…
When we dont have sharp nose, the plastic surgeon is having party….because he can mint money doing surgery…..hihihi……who are the actresses with red capsicum noses? Send them all to the surgical department.
hi..i too accept ur point…but b4 tat i saw some where (either in BLOG or BBC) don’t remember…………..aryans are from c.asia…..& dravidian from ethiopia ……..bcos the video shows tat the DNA is more matching for dravidians vs ethiopia & brahmins vs europeans…..
i am not insulting anyone here pls……
why do you use the word “indian”.
The whole world knows about “aryan” whatever and their cruelty and they are always associated with “HITLER”.
I think still you drink the water of dravidian land. be loyal to it,
still you are forgetting to add the word “anand” to your name…you the good story teller…. tamil is the mountain and sanskrit is the mustard seed….you get that.
central asians wont welcome hitler :)
Aiswarya Rai, the miss world and Sushmita Sen, the miss universe both are dravidians and they have SHARP nose and Sukanya, the tamil brahman actress and meenakshi sheshadri, a tamil brahmin actress have RED CAPSICUM nose……What the HELL is going on in india??????????????
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because of inter-caste marriage… everything had been changed and we dont know even who were really our ancestors….stop exploring nose…explore tamizh….search not for beautiful noses but for beautiful hearts….understood….
heart is not in nose :)
you are going to change definitely one day…..this “egoism” of yours would leave you “alone” some day….you can not stop the happenings…you would realise about the “truth”.
the above comment was for that arrogant brahmin who wants to spread veda kalacharam in india again, not for you bro.
who would realise about the truth…or who would make others realise about the truth…hahaha… funny!!
I feel sorry for whatever bad experience you had because of some selfish tamizhians. I dont really support them. Let the Almighty punish them all. Finally, the creator of all problems the brahmins wins!!!! They are roaming around freely after committing all kinds of crimes against humanity.
The language of the north indians changed because of the aryan invasion and later on by muslim dynasty…urdu mixture… Otherwise, the language of the whole india should be tamizh. It was once upon time…not now. The whole india was a DRAVIDAN COUNTRY.
The only example i would like to indicate now…that the people of BIHAR are knowing the benefits of the tree VILVAM and they make a sherbath (juice) extracted from the vilvam fruits. Its known to give benefits for the whole body. I dont know in other parts of india this vilvam tree and its leaves, barks, stem, roots and fruits are given importance or not.
We have a distance relation though it seems but close relation with the people of UP, BENGAL, BIHAR, MADHYAPRADESH, HARYANA in northern part of india. Studies would reveal our ancestoral relationship with each other. This VILVAM TREE and the LEAVES are worshipped in SIVAN temple shows clearly our habit of using them in the PAST. The fruit of this tree helps good digestion and the dried powder of roots of vilvam tree if mixed with cow milk increase the life span. Today we live only for 70 or 80 years…sometimes more than 80 years…hihihihi but have to struggle…….hihihihi
“alum velum pallukku urud”i…..Tamil proverb
How many times should i say that banyan tree and wood apple tree were worshipped ONCE UPON A TIME………hmmmmm….enough!!!! I
I dont have time…..let me do my work..
I gotta think now why the brahmin women are marrying non-brahmins? Is it because they do not want to tolerate the cruelty. Do they hate their own community? What is the mentality of brahmin women? Dont they accept the hindu rituals?
TAMIZH IS A MOTHER.
SANSKRIT IS AN INFANT STILL…..BORN WITH SELFISH AIMS.
some of them marry because of “pure love” and most of them for “sophistication”. Both cross the border but for various reasons. This way, the “mixture of culture” starts.
Dear arren,
If tamizh and sanskrit had been treated with equality and the kings were supporting these two languages then , WHY DID THEY NOT ALLOW THE SANSKRIT IN OUR ANCIENT TAMIZH LITERATURE? …WE DONT THEY HAVE STRONG TONES SUCH AS “BHA”, SHA”, “GHA”..etc. etc… The ancient tamizh literature is full of the purest tamizh letters and words only. Dont spread the rumours again. I think india has been so far the TARGET and still it is…..hmmmm.
even now they call themselves “tamil brahmins” not “sanskrit brahmins”..on their website also they give importance to ancient tamil literary works than sanskrit..they are kannada brahmins, malayali brahmins and telugu brahmins but they never use the word “sanskrit” brahmins..they never want to mingle with the local people. they want themselves separate from the people of different regions of india..we dont want them to be…if they want what can anyone do? this shows they have superiority complex and want to make all inferior to them.
The target here is “tamizh” not “india” for aryans. The very truth of existance of tamizh even now is their problem.
The “target” here is tamizh not india. While the innocent mother was inviting them and allowing them to settle down they have started plots to kill her and the efforts are still on. One who has showed them how to climb up by giving ladder, they achieved everything and fooled the whole universe and humiliate her watching their mother how she is suffering. Heartless people would only do such nasty things. This shows their “indisciplined” nature. They are kicking their mother.
Tamizh Sage Agathiyar, Bogar and Thirumoolar Were TAMIZHIANS.
Do not cheat the world spreading rumours. Agathiyar knew the art of making GOLD. Can any aryan make gold today? But a true Sitthar with divine power can make gold mixing herbs and chemical powders. (chooranams). The aryans had been chasing Agathiyar since ages for knowing the secrets from him. They COULD NOT.
Tamizh sages have written the secrets in their “panai olai chuvadi” (palm leaves). Those who understood a little bit could not succeed… Tamizh sitthars were not greedy. But those aryans who wanted to make gold were full of greediness. Stop cheating the world. Tamizh sitthars were highly intellectual human beings who knew all kinds of arts. They were ancient SCIENTIST and DOCTORS and AUTHORS and they were MULTI TALENTED.
c u all.
Dear miss m,
who is cheating and who is spreading rumours?why they are cheating?please write clearly.
Dear periyar mainthane,
Aryans ofcourse for selfish purposes. I think you have been trying to establish the same facts just like me i guess.
humans always think about competition and victories..so there would be always “cheating”. but we are still longing for friendly atmosphere everywhere.
Indian are the MOST STUPID PEOPLE ON THIS WORLD…….for over 5000 years both sanskrit and tamil was used by indians….Both was seen as an equal language, both was used and promoted by indian kings….
Now GENETICS prove that no aryan invasions took place…AND IT WAS A PLOY BY THE BRITISH TO DIVIDE INDIA UP, ……..
EVEN TODAY YOU STUPID INDIANS DONT LEARN OR UNDERSTAND..WHAT HAPPENED..even today you stupid indians fight over which is better….THEY ARE THE SAME….FROM INDIA FROM INDIANS….
the south INDIANS HAVE been brainwashed into BELIEVING THE ARYAN THEORY….
THE aryan race is an indian race, the tamil race is an indian race,,,THEIR WERE NO WHITE INVASION OF INDIA..NONE!!…
HERE U argue about sanskirt or tamil, BUT THEY are both GREAT INDIAN LANGUAGES…if u dont claim your own then WHITE EUROPEANS HAVE AND WILL CARRY TO DO SO..
genetics have provenn PROVEN PROVEN THAT THE INDIAS POPULATION IS ONE THE OLDEST ON EARTH, AND OF THE LEAST DISTURBED…..no aryanS INVASION HAPPEND..none..
SCIENCE PROVE THIS……THAT THE BRITISH TRIED TO CHANGE HISTORY…BUT U CANT CHANGE GENETICS!!
and still u people talk about INDIA THE WAY THE BRITISH WANTED U TO…..THE NORTH HATING THE SOUTH THE SOUTH HATING THE NORTH….
..BUT IN OUR HISTORY OF 10,000YEARS….their was no fighting between north and south..BECAUSE THEIR IS NEVER WAS any difference…
BY ATTACKING EACH OTHER U are destroying the legacy of both tamil and sanskrit…..by attacking each other u are SLAPPIN THE FACES OF ALL YOUR ACNESTORS….who never speraeted the two…
By adopting the british version of indian history ..u have basically…erased the hard work, the effort of ALL INDIANS WHO FAUGHT FOR INDEPENDANCE AGAINST THE CHRISTIANS AND THE MUSLIMS……
I HOPE ONE DAY….that both the north and south realise they are from the same family of genetics and language…then and only then WILL INDIA RETURN TO ITS GREAT PAST….
Dear arren,
We south indians especially tamizhians have been never fighting against english people and muslims in the past. We have been embracing both the religions in our state. Infact all religions. Because we respect all the religions and their culture and most of all their EMOTIONS. We tamizhians have been fighting against casteism, partiality and exploitation of the aryans in general. U know what???? The aryans can not spell the tamizh langauge correctly they always add “sh” sound to everything. You can very well find the keralaites (malayalis) using this sound than other south indians. Its because of the domination of aryans in their state.
During british rule they were not imposing any casteism. This casteism has almost erased away so many families in south india and in the whole india. It create VIOLENCE….Because of british rule we are talking english and enjoying railway the comfort of travel today. What kind of charity or good things the aryans are doing. They are always talking against christians and muslims. They want these two people fight with each other and die. Are not they creating violence? What the aryans teach in the temple. No discipline. Brahmin widows are exploited in the temples inside. Poor brahmin girls and exploited and child molestation too. Brahmins are against brahmins……note this point.
By telling again and again stories created and exaggerated to fool the people and make them the brainless forever. This is the job of aryans since ages. We know our HISTORY. Excavations proved that we had only NATURE WORSHIP.
If i say that i had a dream yesterday and i saw a form like with four hands and four legs and want the sculptor to make it and popularise it and tell the people this is an “AVATAAR” Innocent people are ready to believe that too. We dunno about Shirdi Sai Baba, he was a muslim may be a hindu…he knew arabic and had knowledge of bhagwat geeta too. What is his relationship with Rama, the king….. Brahmins are saying that he was an avataar of Ram and call him now SAAIRAAM,….funny…..u kno what…..while saibaba was healing the people in shirdi village the pundits (the brahmans) had been trying to kill him and today the same pundits are chanting manthirams in his temple…….this is INDIA…..
Aryans are known to have invaded our india as a NOMADICS. They used to travel from one place to another and they went to other countries spreading our tamizh by adding strong tones. They are sometimes called GERMANIC TRIBES. But we dont have the true facts…..even today. Their skin tone and their atrocities do not have any relation with our MOTHER INDIA. We always want PEACE….and we are by nature NATURE WORSHIPPERS…..it had been changed by the cunning aryans for minting money for survival…..Explanations OVER.
people have forgotten abt nature when gods were forcibly pushed into the greenery. mother nature is no more. commotion around
we south indians dont hate the north indians. We tolerate everything. We talk only against the people of exploitative nature….whoever they may be…..even expoitative tamizhians too…..you say that there was no fighting between north and the south…..Who made the casteism? Who divided the people? Why the terms still used like brahmanas and sudhras? Who is Ambedkar? Who is periyar? Why were they talking for equality? Why the term “exploitation” is still used by the dalits of india?…..anyone with answer?….then i am waiting….
who is stupid mind ur words u stupid !!!……we all are humans thats all….dont be races…
All the colours created by God only. White or black. we like daylight and we also like night time. Not only we see sun we also watch moon and twinkling stars at night. The colour of liver is dark brown and color of womb is black, can anyone change the colours?
very much dramatic!!!!
the brahmins have been fighting against the british only to rule the indians. They used non-brahmins also to solve their problems. It is very very difficult to understand or make someone understand about what their aim is actually. The kind of way they have changed the names of cities of tamizhnadu and also the names of people by adding sanskrit tones is the only proof how do they reach and abolish the culture. Still all are watching silently. They are Gods treated very well. We already lost ilankai (SRI lanka)
WHY DOTAMIZHIANS LEAVE THEIR HOME LAND FOR JOBS?
WHAT IS THE REASON?
Because they have the intuition just like kumari kaandam, ms. Maari would one day swallow them all.. also because of uncontrollable sinners, she has to do this, thats the only way.
In 2003 journalist asked former prime minister AB VAJPAYEE about his speech in united nations.They asked him “why you had spoken in Hindi instead of English in the united nations meeting”.For that he had replied “If a Tamilan comes to united nations he will speak in Tamil only.so why i have to speak in English instead of Hindi which is my mother Tongue.Like Tamilans i was also more patriotic to my mother tongue”.This tells that Tamilans are also making other language people more patriotic to their mother tongue.
This shows that we belong to the INDUS VALLEY.
Only in tamilnadu fans are accepting other language actors like MGR,Gemini ganesan,Rajinikant,Arjun,Murali,Ajith and Arya as their heroesVANDHARAI VAZAVAIKKUM TAMIZHAGAM AANAAL THAMIZHAN VERU IDATHIL VAZHA VILLAI ENDRAL NAMMAKKU KAVALAI ILLAI.Recently Kerala government honoured Kamal hassan for his succesful journey in indian cinema and for his active role in Eye,Body donation.But majority of Malayalam actors has boycotted the function citing that the award should be given only to Malayalam actors.This is one of the example for malayalis.
Vandavarai vaazha vaithu vittu tamizhan enna pannikiraan?
the utmost job of a tamizhian is to open a FAN CLUB…hehehe and buy MILK POCKETS to pour on the posters and the women what do they do they would make all the grains sprouted and keep them in a pot and carry them to the temple and worship God for the welfare of the actors…hehehe….and they work hard for 3 time meal.
What about education? are they all educated and do they ever think about science and progress…..the one who is on the path of progress is stopped on the way…so the Gods are not stopping but the one who are chanting manthirams and the bad aryans in general.
Ethinai murai sonnaalum thirunthaatha piravikalai enna seyya?
“Nenju porukuthilaiye….nenjy porukithilaiye
Intha nilai ketta manithanai ninaithu vittaal”. (Bharathiyar)
Tell them again and again about progress they wont hear. What to do?
may be because of the mixture of aryan’s blood in them that make them hate tamizhians. i stay away always.
We always welcome and help all the people but we tamizhians fight with each other for money, property, land, jewels, power etc.etc. so we should all think about abolishing the dowry system and also make all the women leave the idea of buying jewels, the root of all the problems in the society. Simple life which we started with would only give us all happyiness and prosperity. If they all do good and believe destiny and sit and medidate at home why there is a need for temple? Why cant they spend their money for poor and the aged and the handicapped? They are also helpless people.
“To act in a malayalam movie one should know acting”, this is what his exact statement on Asianet” as per media report. What was his mental status at that time no one knows….but i suppose he is known in tamizh nadu for “NAAN KADAVUL and MADRAS PATTINAM especially. These films made him the known figure not only tamizh nadu but also in other parts of this country. Who was the director, Tamizan Director BALA. To make such films you need the technicians and imagination and hard work. Without these talent one can not become an actor. I hope Arya also agree with what i have written. He is grateful to tamizh film world because of these above written films as well as other films which helped him show his talent. Whatever he meant let us not twist the statement and believe that he is still grateful and respectful towards tamiz film industry.
If he disrespect tamizhans by that statement he would feel sorry in future. Though we have talented tamizh actors to show the same talent what he has shown in Naan Kadavul, the director chose him to act…it only shows that we are broad minded…Even we made the malayali MGR an actor to become the chief minister of tamizh nadu. I suppose he was the first one to become the chieft minister from the film world….next is RONALD REGAN of America. We remain the same we are narrow minded. First of all teach all the tamizhians not to construct temples for famous actors and actresses, they are not stopped to appreciate the talent of a person. But there is some limit. I want to know when are they going to build temple for TAMMANA because she is compared with a white candle….enough!!!
SORRY, WE ARE NOT NARROW MINDED.
all are equal in tamilnadu
Tamilans working in gulf will always tell that malayalis will help only the malayalis.They will see the tamilans as other country people.malayalis will recommend malayalis for higher post than tamilans in gulf.Tamilans cannot get any help from malayalis in gulf countries.Not only in gulf here in our chennai my friend met the same fate.He was not given promotion in a private company.because the manager who is a malayali will always give preference to malayalis.This is the status of tamilans in gulf.
That means our destiny is to “STRUGGLE”.
Leave everything to the “ALMIGHTY”.
The “truth” shall come one day who are the real culprits..but to keep the “truth” safely is our duty. Carelessness leads to destruction.
Good Talent should be regarded and rewarded whatever the person is..whatever religion he belongs to…impartial treatment should be condemned…and massacre of people because of someone’s mistake should be stopped…whatever they are hindus, christians, muslims, sikhs, or whatever religion or community they belong….undaunted questions should be asked to save the humanity. The softest emotions of humans should be given respect. People are with countless emotions and colours, only the brain is the stimulator for all actions…
Dear periyar mainthane,
Dont care about people with EGOISM. U meet chameleons ( a small lizard which can change its colours to match the surroundings) in your also. In all the culture, you can find them. By the way what is this “@” means.
@miss m, you are supporting malayalis. have you seen yesterday news. actor arya who is a malayali has spoken against Tamils. He has said that Tamils are” rasanai illadhavargal”..malayalis are the people who eat our salt and they will speak against us.my view on malayalis is correct.
Dear periyar mainthane,
Arya may be talking ill of tamizhians. That shows his disloyalty only. Tamizhan should learn a lesson from this. But there are good malayalis too, somewhere in kerala they worship Agathiyar, the tamizh sage and Sage Thiruvalluvar also.
We tamizhians have always welcomed all. We remain the same since ancient period. I wont support anyone who is talking ill of tamizhakam, tamizh and tamizhan.
“Uppuittavarai ullallavum marakaathe”
One who is enjoying eating the food with salt and water and sleeping on the hardwork of tamizan are not SUPERIOR. They dont deserve to talk about the culture of tamizhan. If someone is against us then “make a distance”. Thats it. I know a malayali family they are crazy about Late. K.B.SUNTHARAAMBAL songs a tamizh great singer of yesteryears. All the fingers are not the same. Music has no barrier, religion, caste and creed. Its beyond borders. I and my family used to listen pakistani songs also. No one is enemy for us. Only the brain sometimes act differently and “misunderstanding” also make them behave like that. All are humans with emotions only. Some want to RULE by putting their feet on us….this should not be allowed.
“pasu thol porthiya puli”
“The tiger is wearing the skin of a cow”
use the brain and escape…only solution.
when the ancient india is divided into two parts sadly, “india and Pakistan” and it is used still a place of commotion and corruption, and still all are crossing the borders to take the lives of innocent people and want even more and more and remain greedy..then i think humans are generally very much crazy about land and property than good values in life…those who are eating the salt in india who do not belong to this place always blame the people who belong to this sand…no words now to explain the atrocities..all are equally suffering when u want to be alone and say that i am left alone then it would mean that u dont want to mingle with “humans” and dont want urself to be called a human…when u leave the thoughts of ur community and strong attachment to the doctrines of ur religion and treat urself a human then only the “egoism” would vanish away…its for all the community people….but its very difficult to change all..
we have made our hearts broken because of religions…we are responsible but mainly because worship of nature was forcibly abolished by ill-hearted people the brahmins.
I would never support humans with selfish purposes and exploitative nature whatever they are whoever they are…i dont give importance to skin colour or richness of people..but only to good conscience. Once i find out the “evil mind” of a person i go away..i give them chance, forgive also but observe continuously. I dont tell them what i think about them. I hate this world actually.
I wont support anyone with evil mind, whether he is a malayali, kannadiga, telugite or a tamizhian or anyone else. How can you think that i support malayalis. I know the difference between good and bad characters.
it seems that you have seen “ups and down”
have you seen the skin colour of malayalis, they are fairer than tamizhians, so they would be against tamizhians, they also want to suppress and rule. Most of them are not innocent actually, but so many people of kerala were exploitated in the name of hinduism so i think they should not be included in the list. The wonderful fact here is how these brahman enter into each culture and exploit? They seemed to be highly talented when the matter of exploitation comes and they also use thravidans for their job.
Tamil is the oldest language in the world than Sanskrit.Tamil is 1000 years older than Sanskrit.
I has started from the day 1 human begins to talk.First language spoken was Tamizh.so,it dates back to the origin to humans.So,1000yrs is nothing ,it was older than the limit of human imagination
Dear abdul thambi,
I am very much surprised about the information that sanskrit and veda are the main sources of knowledge. I am indeed shocked reading the comments. It seems the aryans have been cunningly and forcibly taken almost all the treasure of knowledge from our ancestors. Our SIDDHA, MEDITATION, YOGA KALAI AND ABOVE ALL TAMIZH THE LANGUAGE AND THE LITERATURE would show the hidden talent to this world. We can not travel all over this world to tell this. I know bad people change their habit after some time. But it seems that these very very cunning aryans would never ever change.
They are the same. We only think they have changed. Some of them if ever change then they wont be allowed to remain the good ones…..hmmm…..The truth lies in our literature. The Pandiyan kingdom is said to be the greatest one and beyond antiquity and it is now under the ocean so deep. All over india people think that they have got freedom from the british but actually they have not. Still they are slaves under these aryans rule…..
First of all “Sivan” is not a “Vedic God” as written records printed in this world for so many years….in fact the concept of “sivan” was entirely changed by the aryans and face given later on and thereafter they got fed up with “sivan” and they fought with each other and created “vishnu”..a brahmin god …so, i think in the beginning God has created humans and humans have been taking the role of Gods later on and continuously creating Gods…..very very funny!!!!! I cant stop laughing…… :)
this funniest faces came to me on their own….i never invited them…anyways…they are hilarious!!!!!!
“THIRAI KADAL ODIYUM THIRAVIYAM THEDU”…this tamizh proverb tells us “cross the ocean and grab all the opportunity”…here “Thirai” (kuthirai)may be “the horse”…the ancient tamizhian wanted the horse to run over the sea and cross and go to different countries and wants it to hold all the chances of obtaining treasure.
Since, he knew that the horse is a marine animal he might have written indirectly giving command to it.
When “ku” give us the meaning of water then he was seeing that kuthirai, the horse, kurangu, the monkey, kumaran, the cock and the “kozhi” the hen (kozhi…may be “ku”zhi in ancient time) all had their beginning from the water “ku”maari”.
modern culture only makes people greedy, so you can not find faults with tamizhians always, there are good people too in all the community, but the percentage differs, cunningness wins always!!!!
The first ever ancient medical form of this universe is “sittha maruthuvam”..(siddha)…”sittham” in tamizh means “mind” or “mental” power..or determination…..so if we explore this medical practice…no need at all…this siddha itself tells us the antiquity of tamizh culture…what we are arguing ….siddha medical practice is not having its old charm because of other medical practices….the root and base both remain in this “siddha”…do not forget this….i am not boasting about this medical practice…if you are not giving respect to this system it would mean that you are having wrong opinions about this culture just because of some… today’s selfish and bad tamizhians…every community has good and bad ones….
Thaayilaamal naanum, neeyum illai
Tamizh illamal vaarthaikal illai
…………………………………………………
“kumari kanya”….you are the creator of this mankind.
WATER…….A”QUA”TIC…….A”QUARI”OUS.
Boby Language is the most oldest language in this world.
i want to know which is the oldest indian language
turn the pages and find out.
Taken from net
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tribal dance(koothhu)
pranayama
(standind one leg and lifting another leg)
leg refers to breath/ moochu/ suvasam/kaatru
closing one side of the nose and inhaling and exhaling …..
uurthhuva thandavam depicted
at thiruvalankadu/ near chennai
if u try to understand the meaning of the verse
u will be much delighted
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URTHAVA THANDAVAM of Sivan (later on given face) indicate the four directions, East, West, North and South. The symbol of Nazi “swasthika” and symbol we in india in vishnu temples are the same, which was taken from this “dance form” of Sivan. How many avataarams we have? My goodness!!!!
The symbol “OM” is peaceful and “swasthika” is also ours indirectly but used by the aryans. It shows they always take forcibly and keep them with them and claim as if they have found. Mindblowing!!!!!
MINDBLOWING IMAGINATION MISS ‘M’
R U THE ‘M’ FROM 007 MOVIE ? HAHAHAHA
AVATAARAM
AVATAARAM – Oh nooooo mudiyala da saamy……..
now wat ”AVATAARAM” is tamil word & copied in sanskrit as ”AVATAR” ?
Pavanar’s Vadamoli Varalaru argues that hundreds of Sanskrit words can be traced to a Tamil origin, and at the same time he insisted that pure Tamil equivalents existed for Sanskrit loan words. He claimed that Tamil is a “superior and more divine” language than Sanskrit. In his view the Tamil language originated in “Lemuria” (เฎเฎฒเฏเฎฎเฏเฎฐเฎฟเฎฏเฎพ Ilemลซriyฤ), the cradle of civilization and place of origin of language. He believed that evidence of Tamil’s antiquity was being suppressed by Sanskritists.
very very funny!!!!! thanks for the compliment….if you are before me i would like to explore u a lot…..u r indeed very much religious and devotional in nature….i mean it…..
since we have a vegetable called “avarakaai” in tamizh…i am sure this particular “ava” is purely tamizh…and we dont know the sinners who had destroyed the tamizh literature in the past..sometimes it makes us compare the words. Sinners are sinners.
since we have a vegetable called “avarakaai”(cluster beans) in tamizh…i am sure this particular “ava” is purely tamizh… “AVATHI” in tamizh is struggle. “avathooru” is rumour in tamizh…there are so many words starting with “ava” in tamizh…and we dont know the sinners who had destroyed the tamizh literature in the past..sometimes it makes us work hard to compare the words. Sinners are sinners.
I am also laughing here……laughter is the best medicine….I know all the fingers are not the same….but somehow your comments made us al irritated and also u are irritated…We are not against you all, only the bad ones are noted…..I remember my friday evening….4 brahmin sisters much elder to me used to call me to sing “suprapaatham”…i used to sing with them and they used to give me kondakadalai sundal….baked black beans…hahaha…I was studying in 3rd standard that time….hmmmmm….the names of those sisters are komathi, saavithri, meena and chithra….i think they are all married and settled in life…..
each Friday evening i used to sing “kanda Sasti Kavacham” with them i was very serious while singing…I thought that Lord murugan was really a human being…….hmmmm….i should thank this blog for making me realise that he was the bird cock….hahaha….how foolish i was!!!!!………
“Shastiyai nokka Saravana bhavana”…music has magic qualities to give us peace of mind….The sisters used to give me fresh pomegranate fruits picked from the tree near the balcony…..thanks for making me go back to my past.
murukan the bird cock was actually informing us all about the sunrise and wanting us to do our duty in the morning. So, the name “kathirkaaman” and “kathirvelan” are given to him. “kathiravan” is sun tamizh. “kathir” is the rays of sun.
Basic instinct from my grand father and uncle i guess. :) both self-made.
Dear PM,
In spite of the negative influences of the internet, there are many positive aspects that can be attributed to the internet. One of them is communication. We come to know a lot on internet. Thanks for your comments. ignorance is an evil well where innocence is almost struggling. we are in need of progress.
Thanks for the information Mr.Human.
This is really a good news for tamilnadu government.Constructing tirupati in tamilnadu will create lot of revenue for tamilnadu government and also Poor people will make a living by selling flowers,coconut and shaving the head.I will be more happy if tirupathi devasthanam divert all the people from tirupati to kanyakumari.
Dear periyar mainthane,
make sure all the jewels, coins and cash are used for the welfare of people who are in need, not to the homes of aryans. I always see aryan women with diamond ear rings and nose rings eventhough they belong to middle class families. Where do they get money for buying diamonds? very very strange. observation started earlier by me not today.
yes poor people earn by selling flowers, coconut and other things…but what about people(piramans) sell their conscience? The answer is “illusion” would continue and the people would chase illusion forever.
Yesterday, 25th, november,2010, a five feet high burial urn dating to the Megalithic period (300 BC to 100 AD) and containing teeth and some other articles was unearthed by construction workers at a village near Nagapattinam, Tamil Nadu.
Taking into account the shape, colour and other aspects of the urn, it appears to belong to the Megalithic period. In this particular urn a high ranking soldier might have been buried,โ
I have the knowledge that egyptians used to keep the urns digging the sand in the desert but they found that after a fiercful desert storm, they urn came out and they found out that the bodies kept with applying salt several months before was intact without decay. The egyptian after seeing the uncontrolable desert storm left the idea of burying the urns then started constructing pyramids …rest is history.
The salt almost had taken the moisture of the body that made the dead body fresh though spiritless.
In ancient tamizhnadu also we had the habit of keeping the bodies of kings, soldiers inside urns.
Need more information. Very very interesting.
One good thing Tamils should feel happy is : because there is no Hindi in tamilnadu communal parties like BJP, RSS and sangh pariwar was not active in tamilnadu.Other wise tamilnadu would be like Gujarat and orrisa where innocent muslims and christians were killed.BJP, RSS and sangh pariwar are the Brahman parties.They should not be allowed in tamilnadu.
already tirupati devasthanam has started constructing tirupati balaji temple in kanyakumari, tamilnadu. get the news from Dinamalar. They can not be stopped.
God promised that a Virgin’s foot would crush these cobras of the night. but, these cobras can not be crushed.
This is a good news for tamilnadu government.Constructing tirupati in tamilnadu will create lot of revenue for tamilnadu government.I will be more happy if tirupathi devastanam divert all the people from tirupati to kanyakumari.
send the masked murugan in tirupathi (rumours heard recently) to kanyakumari….I want to explore this Balaji temple…is he really the tamizh god murugan?….by the way why do humans shift Gods from here and there????….What kind of nonsense they are doing???….He is everywhere…Funny people…When god is not granting blessings, there you see, LTTE, NAXALITE, MAOIST and and lots and lots of them….”the Chapter of Realisation” leads to violence…Destiny is making us all move like puppets….
LET KANYAKUMARI ALONE. PLEASE. DONT DISTURB HER. SHE IS A TRUE SOUL. SHE IS INNOCENT.
Dear periyar mainthane,
Abdul thambi was right. He does not want tamizhians to let flourish the language hindi. Yes… i agree with him too. But, the knowledge of hindi is must for the tamizhians working in gulf countries. After all it is a matter of survival. We can control the aryans by our will power. But….most of the tamizhians in villages as well as in cities are still illiterate and supersticious. Who would take efforts?….hmmmmmm.
they would never become literate :)…they would never forget their past too…because they are haunted by memories of the past…..u kno….2 eyes and 1 nose…:)…just pass the coins man!!!!!…where????
I am surprised to know that you are supporting not only muslims but also christians. Hope to see brightful future for all. I think religions and thoughts attached with religions are creating commotion and confusion among people. First of all, all should be human.
This all does not make any sense. fix it up please???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Do you want to know everything then just study the culture of tamizhians and especially the worship of ‘AMMAN”. You shall be enlightened.
reg: prasaadam
is pra practically possible in tamizh?
‘coz I see words like prasanthi are written pirasaanthi
Saadam in tamizh means the “cooked rice”. We have so many herbs in SIDDHA MEDICINE starting with “pra”….like ‘Piramathandu”..its a kind of stem of a herbal plant. We are in need to go deep into this magical world of SIDDHA with complete “SITHHI” (the divine power). Got it.!!!!!!!
i suppose we pronounce what we write in tamizh, if that is the case why pira is to be pronounced pra; i am convinced with saatham;
Also you said words like dooram, buththi to be proper tamizh words AFAIK no authentic tamil word starts with a voiced stop(ga ja Da da ba) so how can you say dooram is a pure tamiz word and not a loan word from other language
Dear phani,
Eventhough we say or pronounce thooram as dooram and raakam as raagam its because of our relation with our neighbour state especially kerala. U may find people in tirunelveli, thootukudi cities nearby kerala prounounce the words with giving strong tone. For example, they say for sujata….jujaata.(observation is needed). the people in chennai or any other cities nearby do not proununce like them but the habit of copying people’s mannerism and style makes such words alive. Our tamizh language has been facing lots of changes because of so many literary authors and it is in our hand to make this language “survive”
PIRAPPU in tamizh means BIRTH.
PIRALAYAM means ‘CALAMITY”. (piraLayam)
We have so many words starting with “pira” like “PIRAMAKIZHANKU”…a root kind of vegetable of a plant being used in siddha medicine. I dont know how far they take this system of medicine, it is the oldest ancient medical practice….our tamizh sithars were once upon a time practising this sitha medicine in kayilaaya malai (now himalaya) in this word you get “aalaya” the banyan tree worship, now it is used for temples.(aalayam).
Our ancient tamizh culture and literature had been written on PALM LEAVES (panai olai)….hard work …you see…. and how can we ever keep them safe? We have some of them kept in Tholporul kaatchiyagam….The museum of antique treasure??? …may be “Archeology Deparment”. We lost probably during earth quake near sind region and during that time in the continent lemuria (kumari kaandam). We have lost almost all treasures. But, aryans can not manipulate the world for long…….Mainly, Siddha has been so far the inspiration for all the medical system. Some of them are not copied by the aryans like “thodu varnam” (touch therapy) though japan, china (accupressure) and other countries follow them.
HARD WORK ALWAYS PAYS.
Thanks for enquiring
who said “hard work always pays”….nope!!!! :)
Dear Pani
Dhooram is a descent of the Tamizh word “Tholaivu”,like Dhaanam is a descent of the Tamizh word “Tharuuthal”
i can not write the exact ancient meaning of the word DOORAM but for DAANAM ofcourse.
it is thaa+annam = give+ food.
Annapoorani….the one who is removing hunger.
it was “thooram” not “dhooram”….we have “thooral” also it means the “drizzling” of rain water (rain drops).. “thoora paarvai” would mean the the glance put on the long distance”. So, it proves that “dhooram” is a strong toned tamizh word. Also keep it in mind, there are so many words for everything in tamizh. Some have gone into the telugu region, malayala region and kannada region. For example, we say “Velai” for work but telugus would say “seva” but the full form in tamizh is “sevai”. Also the same with hindi people also, “kathai” in tamizh means story they say “katha” in hindi.
Each and every tamizh word can be splited and they have inner meaning in them, and for each character and thing there are so many names given…it is very difficult to plunge into this ocean and find out the meaning of each letter and words….we need time and dedication towards this language… unforutnately i dont have..what i have done is the observation over merely a smallest drop of this huge ocean. The more you dig out you would see still something is there and going deep and deep…
the way in which the brahmins have added tones differently to each tamizh word has made us all tamizhians search for the original word. Very very cunning indeed!!!! Because of them, everything changed in the entire universe, because of them only all kinds of non-sense customs started. The interesting fact here is “Even” now they are exploiting all very effectively…u see silent trespass.
There is no need to meditate to attain this “sitthi”…it comes to you on it own…you may not be knowing its presence…but it is within you…people who study deeply about this subject can find out the person with “sitthi” very easily….it makes you foretell about events in subconcious state of mind and makes you draw or write something dealing with spirtualism….the spirits would make you realise that it exist but it can not make you stop the natural disasters,,,catastrophe….creation and destruction both are co-related….very difficult and deep subject to be explored
aane wale ghatnawon ko mahsus to kar sakte hain koi par kisi ko keh nahi sakte…kya karein…khudrat hai aisa ek chamatkaar cheez, isko samajhna bahut mushkil hai bhai, phir bhi hum insaan aapas mein kyon larte rehtein hain.
one can easily understand or foreseen the coming events tragic natured but to express them is very very difficult, we are not given the power. Nature is when ruling this world and to understand nature is also tough job.. why we small humanbeings are fighting with each other.
When they have changed one of the names of sivan ie.. PIRAMAN as BHRAMMAN…there is no need for searching further. We say everything in full form. “pira” not “bhra”…”thira” not “thra”…”mira” not “mra”…we say “mirukam for animal but they “mrug”. “vanam” for garden or jungle they “van”. we say “mokam” (attachment, desire, passion)..they say “moh”.
Dear Periyar mainthane,
According to Mr.Fulton J.Sheen,
“The telescope does not destroy the eye, nor does it create new worlds, but it enables the eye to see realities that, although they were there before, the naked eye could never reach”
In the same manner, Tamizh does not destroy anyone, anything …it is also not creating a new world for itself…..now, Tamizh is making the people to see the realities which were already there but no one could not understand the deepest meaning of this great OCEAN”. Efforts have started already.
Time shall come and it shall prove that “Tamizh” has been so far great inspiration for all.
Be hopeful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFI0jUuV53w
Ever-green malayalam song from the film ‘CHEMMEEN’ (Red Fish). I am emotional listening to these old melodies praising the glory of ocean…kadalamma (Sea Goddess)
Those who want to learn HINDI can go to this given below site for infn.
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have u all noted the above site?…:)
Today kerala chief minister has put the demand for classical language status for Malayalam.He said “It is without any credible reason that Malayalam alone is being denied the status, which has been granted to other South Indian languages Tamil, Kannada and Telugu,” he said at a meeting.Malayalam is a 1000 year old language.If Malayalam is given classical language status,Tulu people should also ask for classical language.At last there will be no respect for true classical language like Tamil.So all the tamilans should be united and try to get classical language status from united nations.united nations will surely give classical language status to Tamil because of its 2500 year age.United nations will not merely give classical language status to other Indian languages which they got by putting political pressure.
The “mother” always beautiful. We do not disrespect any language here. We only are indicating the antiquity and some times similarities. We never ever here humiliate sanskrit because we tamilians always respect people and their emotions. Hindus goes to velaankanni matha temple in nagapatinam as well as to Nagore Dargah. They have faith in all religions. In general all are in need of “peace”. We do not hate anyone here. When we say “aryans” it means the “veda period” and their torture. In my opinion they have created all the religions because of their atrocities. Lord Buddha was the first one to take step. He was frustrated seeing their cruelty. I remember my school days in the book very clearly buddism started because they could not tolerate the “HORSE SACRIFICE” during “veda yagnam”. The buddism is full of vegetarianism concepts and meditation all started from the “Sind” region. Only herbal products had been used and the people were almost peaceful watching nature. Only after the invasion of aryans everything changed. Casteism, cruelty against women, prostitution, consumption of liquor etc..etc… They wanted the people to fight with each other and UNITY of the people irritated them.
In my point of view, Malayalis have given lot of space to these people. They have the support of NATURE. My father used to listen lots of malyalam songs of JESUDOSS and others. They are very very melodious and soothing. You can see more and more christians are in kerala its because they had been facing problems from the aryans. History of kerala would give you the details. When would this country INDIA get suitable answer for our questions?
GOD IS LIGHT ……………SATAN MEANS DARKNESS.
TAMIZH IS TAMIZH.
WE DO NOT WANT ANY CERTIFICATE FROM OTHERS.
WE ARE IN NEED OF DIGNITY FOR OUR LANGUAGE “TAMIZH”
TRUTH SHALL BE TRUTH “FOREVER”.
WE ARE VERY NEAR TO “GOD”
TAMIZH IS TAMIZH.
WE DO NOT WANT ANY CERTIFICATE.
WE KNOW WHAT OUR MOTHER TONGUE “TAMIZH” IS.
WE ARE IN NEED OF DIGNITY FOR OUR LANGUAGE “TAMIZH”
TRUTH SHALL BE TRUTH “FOREVER”.
WE ARE VERY NEAR TO “GOD”
IC
when srilankan tamils were attacked everyone protested against the attack execpt brahmans.
sethu samudram project which was a dream project of kalaigner karunanidhi was stalled because of Brahmans.Example is subramaniya swamy who is a Brahman has filed a case in court against the demolition.so Brahmans behavior looks like they are against Tamils.Here itself we can see Tamil Brahmans are supporting Sanskrit instead of Tamil for oldest language status.
Dear periyar mainthane,
They can not tolerate any RELIGION. They give nick names to all the people. The history of giving nick names started from them i guess. You see, the basic four groups, brahman, kshatriya, vaishya and shudra. So, we should not blame non-brahman for uttering nick names for generally south indians of all religions. They want to create commotion and confusion among people. When they want to keep the religion and faith based on thosands of Gods then how would they ever allow the SCIENCE grow in India.
We had personal experience in the past. They are very much dominating still. They can not be loyal to anyone. They do not accept and want christianity, Islam, buddism, jainism, zorastrianism, sikism to survive. The whole nature of “SINDUISM” (NATURE WORSHIP) has GONE ALMOST. We allow them in the temples to chant, we construct the temples with hard work and we also paint the pictures of Gods, so they are exploiting the artistic treasure of non-brahmans and they are looting. IT WILL CONTINUE. Paamara makkal (illiterate people) should be educated and informed. As i said earlier EMOTIONS ARE EXPLOITED IN A VERY WELL PLANNED MANNER. The people have kept their brain in the temples and they are brainless now.
When science grow after facing all kinds of problems they will come to enjoy. Dont they have mobiles, tv, mixi, grinder, moped, fan and all kinds of electronic gadgets?? They want sophisticated life only but they will try their best to stop all the humans from using their brain towards a brightful future, they want us all dwell in the temples, listen to their created stories and pour money. By occupying all higher posts, they can implement anything and destroy a person’s life also very easily, not only they use their education to keep themselves well-settled but also destroy the supportless ones. These days non-brahmin educational institutions have come up to wipe the tears away. “Relief” but not 100%.
The king Rama (Kshatriya) was misguided by the aryans to kill King Ravanan (dravidan) in a cunning manner. So, they would continue their plot. They can never forget the PAST. If Sethu Samudram Project is not ON then it means they are still DOMINATING.
MY DEAR MISS ”M”
Ravanaa is not tamil/dravidian……….he is a half brahmin / half (asura/Daitya)
hope u got it correct……….
u mean half brahmin and half hitler…..brahmins are against brahmins….but y? that would mean then that bad brahmin was killed by a good kshatriyan..and who was that good brahmin who advised king rama…good job indeed….very interesting..i dont read stories of mythological characters. good brahmins are living in india too.
i did not know ravana’s marriage was an inter-caste marriage….who were his parent? why was not he allowed to live…he was a shiva devotee, good musician…i dont accept the killing of a good brahmana just for his keeping long moustache. it was his passion to grow a long moustache.
thanks a lot for being so polite…I am grateful.
you need to grow.
u r indeed supporting tamils…..thats like a good boy!!!!…dont change.
I want to know the list of people who protested against the killing of tamizhians in ilankai. I am really curious.
First of all make a list of people who hate tamizhians, why they hate and what is reason and their grievance may please be explored and actions may please be taken at the earliest. So far tamizhnadu has been a state full of peaceful atmosphere, culture and disipline and whoever spoiling may please be noted and strict actions may please be taken. Censor board of tamizhnadu should be warned, they are allowing guys to paste vulgar posters in the cities. it will spoil the minds of school and college going students and mainly all the public who watch them. how to escape man from all these problems???? the solution is here, towards ocean, no pain.
brahmins are always united from kashmir to kanyakumari. They hav mixed poison into our culture so…like pure and unspoiled milk got in it the poison mixed.. how can anyone?..its very very difficult to take out the poison. Those who escaped are in peace, they had to do this because of the atrocities the brahmins committed.
The different ancient names of Sivan in tamizh language
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KARUTHAMANIKANDAR…. meaning the black cloud
CHALAMANIVAAN……………falls+neer+sky
GURUMANI…………………….master+rainwater
MAASILAMANI………………..spotless rain water
MANITAN……………………….rainwater (definitely)
MANIKANTAN…………………he noted rain
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All the above names of Sivan clearly indicate “water”
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Neerchadaiyan………………the air roots of banyan tree drenched
chaDaimuDiyan …………….the one who has rope like hair chadaiyan…………………….again the same meaning
chaDaiyANDi…………………same meaning “Aandi” means one who
sacrifice earthly pleasures
chaDaiyappan……………….the Father with rope like hair
chalamaNivAn……………….the one who is almost the water fall
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The above names of sivan in tamizh shows Sivan was the name given to the “Banyan Tree”. We can verify with the picture of sivan with rope like hair.
me smiling here.
“OM MANI PADME HUM”
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I am researching this sentence.
“Chinna chinna paadam vaithu kanna vaa.
please come kanna (krishna) step by step with your little feet”
Here we are worshipping infact the “rain” God “Mani” is definitely the rain water….mazhai+neer…..rain+water. It seems the ancient sages were worshipping sitting folding their feet (padmaasanam) (leg+seat)…paadam=leg and aasanam=seat. After meditation, they had seen “rain”…..MANIKANDAN….is mazhai+neer+kandaan….the exact meaning in english “he noted rain water”. The meditation all started worshipping water and fire basically. Our tamizh words generally end with “om” sound, like kalasam(a vessel), paavam(sin), mathuram, maayam(illusion), rokam(disease), sukam(good health), kopam (anger), aalayam (the banyan tree+Goddess, the place of worship) raagam (tune), selvam(property), rathham(blood), sarithiram(history)….etc…etc…..Each time we utter these words daily we unknowingly say “om”. Treasure of knowledge.
According to Buddha, he said, that make your body the river and let all the fire crackers (negative comments) fall into it. They would get extinguished.
If Tamil is a banyan tree it can hold all air roots and bear them.
“SATHYAM SIVAM SUNTHARAM” ……
DO YOU GET THE SOUND “OM” HERE?
“ARAM SEYYA VIRUMPU” (Have passion for doing good deed)
PURELY “TAMIZH” WORDS.
“OM SAANTHAM OM”……TAMIZH IS LIVING.
Joke : A man went to Tamil political leader Ramadoss and given a gift which contains HOT DOG.Ramadoss after eating little bit asked him what, it is a bun?
because ramadoss has ordered everybody has to speak Tamil in front of him.the man replied in Tamil iiya idhu soodana naai.After hearing this ramadoss thrown the hot dog and run away crying.
Which part of this world you are kk? very cheap naai….cool down!!!
good story teller, you have forgotten to add the name “anand” to your name.
pet animal dog is said to be faithful always…dont use the word dog in future…got it!!!!
yes i understand…tamizhians should learn english well and express. no one could not get you. Because you also created “illusion” here :) which kaliyugam could not recognise. :)
VEERAMAMUNIVAR
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Beschi composed three Tamil grammars and three dictionaries, Tamil-Latin, Tamil-Portuguese and Tamil-Tamil. His magnum opus, the Thembavani is considered by experts to this day as one of the best Tamil works ever written.
I am today remembering and thanking CONSTANZO BESCHI (VEERAMAMUNIVAR) wholeheartedly.
Which is the earlest civilization KUMARI KANDAM or MESAPATOMIAN?
make a plunge into the sea and find out…you are not a true dravidan….aryan indeed
She is under the ocean now,,because of atrocities..leave her alone there, dont try to explore her..humans have the habit of digging the graveyard even. She is very much happy deep there. by the way who named her “kumari”???
Digging “Veeramamunivar” makes people irritated because he had taken away with him the ancient tamizh world…..
miss m,
Dont care about others.Actually you had given good information about vilvam.
Dear Periyar mainthane,
Thank you. I knew from the beginning there would be protest against Tamizh and i did not come here with any intention. Everything had to happen. Suddenly, i caught a facination. This is the TRUTH. Its very difficult for people to accept the “REALITY”. Emotions are attached with devotion. I do not force anyone. They know how to accept. Never ever tamizh was pushed and forced upon others. We were doing our duty only. It is a sin to murder a language which grew on its own. I wont be here after some days. I think i have written a LOT. How much i dig out?
c you all.
vilvam is pure tamil sittha medicine…not ayurvedic….dont change the truth….try to give dignity to this …the oldest tamil ancient medical practice of this world.
But you are not giving respect to “siddha” medical practice…thats your mistake…What is your opinion about me a tamizhan?..i am not sitting seriously here, i am with smile..
Uruvam illa iraivanai
uLLe thedu manithane nee un uLLe thedu.
maasu atra manam kondaal
Eesane unnai vaazhthuvaar!!!!!!
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The who does not have “form”
Have not you tried so far to find Him? search Him!! He is “IN” u
when you have flawless mind and heart
The Almighty shall bless U!!!!!!!
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miss m, i think you are working or owning a internet centre that is why you can be seen here 24/7.
I do my duty and serve.
Dear lavkus,
you should appreciate her work.she is doing a nice work.Every Tamilan should be proud of her.
she came here accidentally….she is in the hospital now..
Tamizh is a huge ocean that can’t be crossed. My brain is aching.
but you are concerned about “tamizh” only…very very funny!!!!
Are they really??? i don’t think so…this world is very very selfish and money minded….most of them brainless thats why they are exploited. I give importance to the hardwork of ancient people…am not modern.
it seems she is not operating the computer but the good conscience which sadly no one has in reality.
miss m,
keep it up.nice message.
THANKS A LOT.
but you are sending bad message for me…i want pure tamizh of madurai, the capital of pandya kingdom and the birth place of courageous woman RANI MANGAMMA….hell with chennai chentamizh…..i never thought you practiced this language seriously….go to madurai at once and be good…let me go to my father;s native place too…hell with madras tamil…
I use my MENTAL POWER to feel your PRESENCE.
I caught you……
again want a negative comment ?
I know about “veda” culture. “k”Uma” is a female..She has the capacity to engulf all.
had i been your own sister what would you do? I had enough!!!!
but only when i apply my mental power not “always”. I am always casual that makes people narrow minded. I always want to laugh and be cheerful but i can not.
negative comment : miss m = miss mental
It proves you are noting. Thank you.
i realise all can create ILLUSION. Everyone has the ability. Earth is full of confusion. The one who created the illusion in the past triumphed over innocent people. But, today all are in trouble.
ADYAR BANYAN TREE
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Adyar is very famous for its Banyan tree. The vast area occupied by the Banyan tree belongs to the Theosophical Society. It stretches from a bridge at the banks of Adyar River to the Seashore and the Banyan tree is in the centre. T
There are people who often say that this is the largest Banyan tree in the world. People, who have some doubts about this statement, claim this to be the second largest Banyan tree. Some say that the largest is in Calcutta. Others say it is in Kasi and in Prayag too.
Adyar Banyan Tree, believed to be around 450 years old, is located on the campus of Theosophical Society at Adyar in Chennai. Its sprawling branches cover 40,000 sq ft. Under its shade, as many as 3000 people at a time have sat and listened to discourses by J Krishnamurthi, Annie Besant, Maria Montessori and others.
Tamil……………………………Sanskrit
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1. Kalam ……………………….kaal
2. Niyathi……………………….niyam
3. Kalai …………………………kala
4. Viddhai………………………vrudhi
5. Aragam, ……………………
6. Purudan…………………….
7. Mayai ……………………….maaya
8. Iswaran……………………..Ishwar
9. Sakthi……………………….Shakti
10.Sadasivan……………….Sadashivam
11.Suttham…………………..Shud
12.Aanma…………………….Aaatma
13.Prakaasam………………Prakash
14.Pradeepam…………….. Pradeep
15.tharmasankatam……….Dharmashankat
16.Sarumam…………………Sharma
17.kaaamam (pure love)…Kama
18.Sootram…………………..Sutra
19.Meenam………………….Meena
20.rathiri………………………raat
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Some of the tamizh original words and created sanskrit words for you all. Had been the aryans wrote famous ancient tamizh literatures, then they would have definitely added their foreign accent with selfish motives. It only proves they had invaded “Sind” later on only. When they had introduced “Ganesha” (elephant god) in the family of sivan then it should have been in the “Family” of sivan. Only the seval (cock) the supposed created son of sivan (seval kodi)..,with a flag with a symbol of cock) is found during excavation in Harrappa region.
“Thiruneeru” (the holy ash) is connected with the symbols excavated in harappa. The ancient tamizhian had the habit of burning the dried vilvam leaves full of medical values and applied all over his body after taking bath. What we have today the faces of Parvathi, Sivan and Murugan are imaginary. They were symbols of health related as well as life saving materials. BANYAN tree played a crucial role, it was protecting them all during natural calamities. He learnt all kinds of gymnastics and aerobatics clutching the air roots of the banyan tree. During rain, the tree protected them all giving shelter. The holy fire was burning with flames he learnt meditation and barathanaatyam under this tree. He was very much inspired by NATURE.During windy season, this tree and its rope like roots gave him different shapes and techniques.
He learnt watching monkeys and horses (definitely) and he learnt swimming watching fish………………………
c you later on
Dear all,
I have seen some websites spreading rumours about the talented tamizh sage as an aryan. The title “THIRU” itself is pure tamizh form and it is not having connection with ‘SHRI’ the foreign tongue.
TIME shall come and reveal all the FACTS about this endless OCEAN “TAMIZH” to this world. We are all merely a DROP OF THIS OCEAN.
I am not going to gain anything and no one is going to loose anything for accepting the facts. Its about the TRUTH. Atleast in India it is the oldest language grew on its own having in its womb the mysteries and wonders and unsolved questions and illusions. Those who attain wisdom shall know the glory of this illusion.
stop browsing the net. do your duty at home.
stop being “overobsessed”..
This is language website or ayurvedha,homeopathy website.I think i have came to the wrong website.
Dear Shahrukh anna,
How are you? Good morning to you. I hope you are Shahrukh anna.
hihihihi….this site has become siddha site because i am not getting any negative comments. I hope all are fine at home. Be happy!!!! My blessings (Almighty….winks winks) are with you ALWAYS.
c you in my next birth.
Dear srk anna,
I wished you HAPPY BIRTHDAY. Smile please……
remember always that i give importance to “unani” also. understood. but you forget to talk about the “antiquity”, be selfless and broadminded about facts so ancient in nature.
How to take this vilvam dried leaves powder
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MORNING : empty stomach 1/2 teaspoon with one glass of water. Water should be without chlorine. If the chlorine is mixed then keep the water for a day and then have it.
NIGHT: After food the same quantity. No need to take hot water.
For “toothache”…take this powder as i said above for continuous 48 days. Morning and Night.
For “good eyesight”…. take this powder but during this medication non-vegetarian food is not allowed, because both does not relate with each other. It wont give results.
Understood, dont spend money supersticiously and act wisely and live longer. According to Bible, ancient people lived upto 300 years. So, follow nature and avoid flour based food that would only lead indigestion and eat lots and lots of salad both vegetable and fruits.
UNDERSTOOD!!!!!!! BE HAPPY ALL OF YOU.!!!!!
The medicinal properties of “VILVA PODI” (POWDERED VILVA LEAVES) VILVA CHOORANAM. (WOOD APPLE LEAVES DRIED)
1) It removes cataract, improves eyesight
2) nasal congestion, coungh, sinus
3) tooth decay, tooth pain generally tooth related all problems
4) skin diseases, irritation, itching all kinds of skin related
5) removes cholestrol and maintain the blood pressure
6) diabetic (gradually it cures)
7) gastric problems
8) ulcer
Generally, it increase saliva and create good degestion.
I will give medicinal properties of MARGOSA TREE (Neem leaves) and TULSI (basil leaves)
All nature related. It seems in ancient time the people started applying on their body the ash of the dried vilvam leaves for good health. It does not have any connection with what Agori Babas are doing today, they are almost CANNIBALS.
c you all.
very very funny face indeed.
nalla comedy thaan ponga
i come later on….some one come and attack me. hihihihi
Agori Babas should not be blamed…because they are following their ancient practices…ofcourse i came to know that siddha medical practice is inclusive of human skulls and non-vegetarian item like eggs too for preparing medicines. Powder of Human skull is especially used for treating mentally retarded people. I dunno how they prepared or even now prepare the medicine? have they stopped this or not?..The agori babas of kaasi city(india) are telling by eating the human flesh (of dead bodies) they actually are getting medicine to regain power..it works magically on their body…the flesh has all kinds of proteins and vitamins for them…cruelty it seems but what is the reality?
HISTORY OF FAMILY OF SIVAN
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FISH+AALAMARAM,VELAMARAM+SEVAL
WATER+BANYAN TREE, WOOD APPLE TREE+COCK
MAARIAMMAN+THIRISOOLAM+SEVAL
AALAYAM+SIVAN+MURUNGAN
AALAMMAN+SIVAN+MURUGAN
PARVATI+SIVAN+MURUGAN (THE FAMILY OF THREE GODS)
THE MEANING OF “THRISOOLAM” IS “SPEAR” OR “TRIDENT”( A kind of scepter or spear with three prongs.
“Trishool” in hindi. So, the word “Thirisoolam” is in hindi with adding sound “sh”.
thirisoolam…….”thirichoolam…..thiricha means “twisted”.
the twisted air roots of (aala maram) banyan tree.
The name of Fish in tamizh is “Meen” and the name “meenaaatchi” or meenakshi (“sh” added) is given to parvati, wife of Sivan….meenaaatchi means, the “rule of fish”….when the river is full of fish it is good for the river water…fish removes the dirt from the water and keep it clean and hygienic…..so the importance is given to “fish” and it was worshipped in ancient world….when there wont be fish in the river it would mean the spread of diesease especially water related ailments such as chicken pox and measles…later on fish was given different names and worship started ….they made fish the wife of sivan….
The ancient kingdom of Tamizh king Pandiyan had in their flag the symbol FISH. Their capital was Madhurai, in this city we can find the famous temple “MEENAATCHI”, the rule of fish…later on face given to this “amman”. This is one of so many examples to prove the antiquity of tamizh culture.
MURUGAN+SIVAN+MEENAM
1) Get early in the morning
2) Brush your teeth.
3) Have a good early morning bath.
These above three good morals have almost changed and today we have Appan sivan, Amman Meenaampal, and Makan murukan. I think they have stopped adding the members but only “Ganesha”, the elephant god he is the eldest son. I think though the tamizhian kings were intelligent they were all fools also to believe everything the aryans advised them to follow. Somehow, we are today watching the artistic treasure of the dravidans in the temples in tamizh nadu….hardwork and true arts indeed. I had been to “sankaran kovil” near tirunelveli and i was wondering the time and labour of these people. I appreciate them all.
Dear all,
http://karthiksgraffiti.blogspot.com/2010/06/did-harappans-speak-tamil.html
In the above website you can find a symbol in the middle with BANYAN TREE(aalamaram( AND WOOD APPLE TREE(velamaram), on the right side it is “COCk”, the name given to this bird in ancient time is MURUGAN.
It is evidant that this bird cock was given importance as it was waking the people in the morning. After the bird gave them sound, they had to brush their teeth with stem of aalamaram (banyan tree) and they had to take the powder of the leaves or the fresh leaves of velamaram (wood apple tree) before taking food. It seems it was their routine job in the morning.
The left side symbol of “fish” shows that it was “water”. May be they had to use the water or to worship the river or to take bath.
So, the COCK’s name was “MURUGAN”. Today in north india people call this bird in hindi MURUGA. But after aryans invasion the form was given to this bird and different names given. It is clear during the ancient time no idol in the name of murugan was worshipped. But, the bird “cock” was almost worshipped (given importance)
May be while waking up the people the cock was by its body’s gesture by twisting its body made them to give them the name
murukan means murunkan = muru+ankam (angam)
= twist+body
In hindi “ang” means “body”. So, the tamil word “ankam” is in hindi.
I dont know if this word “muru”GAN” has relation with “Big “BEN” (Big Ben is the nickname for the great bell of the clock at the north end of the Palace of Westminster in London)
CLOCK indeed has relation with COCK. Because it is the early morning bird to make people wake.
PENDULUM has relation with “PINDAM” (tamizh word for the centre part of anything) because the pendulum is fixed to stand in the middle and move right and left.
c you all.
Make my brain ACTIVE.
Instead of giving importance to emotions, SCIENCE about this earth and evolution should be given importance.
All started from the basic five energies. “THIRUMANTHIRAM” the tamizh literature full of verses becomes the basic treasure for leading life. Those who read this thirumanthiram would come to know about all secrets.
AGATHIYAR…………it is not Agasthiyar
AKAM+IYAR…………INNER+WRITE meaning whatever inside mind is written. Written with mental power.
So, we should not be emotional about anything from now ON.
“SINDU”ISM AND SIVAN BOTH ARE CRUSIFIED BY THE ARYANS.
Today no LINGAM is made of navapaasanam. They are merely ordinary stones. There are only two lingams made of navapaasanam the one is in Andhrapradesh “TIRUPATI” (tamizh chittar made it) another one in PAZHANI (Tamizh nadu). The idols kept in the temples were made of navapaaasanam (9 chemicals)
The meaning of tamizh words later on stolen almost by aryans.
Tamil…………………….sanskrit
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apisekam……………….abhishekam
appi+sekam= paste+collect
This is connected with the “navapasanam lingam” since this stone was made mixing 9 kinds of chemicals, whatever food was applied on this stone would cure the ailments. The meaning you have to collect for example, curd, coconut water, honey etc after they have been applied over this lingam(mixture of chemicals) would create a magic of curing dreadful ailments. SO, in the beginning the tamizhians (sitthars) knew the importance of this stone made of 9 chemicals.
The stone was given importance and today what we have the meaning so vulgar is because of aryans. The exact meaning was changed by the aryans for minting money keeping the lingam in temples and they dont give the prasaadam (the holy food) to the devotees.
Tamil……………………………..sanskrit
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PRASAADAM ………………PRASHAD
pra+saadam
wonder+food (rice)
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I wrote about KAATERI = kaatu+aeri= jungle+lake (river)
Since the ancient tamizhians had to face wrath of nature in the form of flood….they began to worship jungle lake…..kaateri.
KAATERIAMMAN= KAAATU+AERI+AMMAN.
So, i think the english name “catherine” is nothing but kaateriamman in short form.
SEMAATHAMMAN = semam+aatha+amman= may be the “SIMON” in english language.
Semam+aatha+amman
welfare+mother+goddess
Hi dear MISS M! U exectly right about the meaning of “Simon” and ‘cetirine’ then wot abt ‘Elizabeth’ i hope eliza+beth= elzhel = natural and beth = born so naturaly born ah?
You dont deserve to use the word ‘TAMIZH”.
but he is fully deserved when he writes thirukkural that too in this modern world..seems to be full of discipline but his brain drag him somewhere else :) the reason is “over chatting” online.
you seem to be full of FRUSTRATION. Be logical not comical.
come as luvkus you the childish one.
you need to learn a lot my child….I can’t curse you…
“Elizh” in tamil means beautiful “beth” or if u say “path” means feet. so it is beautiful feet. elizhpaatham. dont make us go deep into each words….everyone created names and words as they wished too. if u ask what is the meaning of anban it means one who loves…tamil anban…the one who loves tamil…but if u ask why it is “anban” then we should ask the creator of this word…y and what made him to create that?…if u ask why the word “science” exist and what is the exact meaning of it? then i am with answer “progress related to nature or related with nature” but y it is “science” the sound it gives it is beautiful but am with “no answer”…perfect answer….
The name “padma” has been formed from the tamizh words “paatha malar”….feet+flower …the flower under the feet….so, padma is lotus and this flower is kept under the feet of gods as per hinduism.
Difference between a Tamilan and other language people are – other language people can be seen in all religion related websites but Tamil people can be seen in all Language related websites.Religion is more important to other language people particularly north Indians.Example – Ayodhya and Godhra riots.Hindus and Muslims will not even drink water from each other in North India.But For a Tamilan Language is more important than religion even though every tamilan worship god.
PERIYAR MAINTHA,
you have written “GOLDEN WORDS”.
but infact he has complaints with all the tamizhians.
the real creator is the one who created illusion purely man-made not God-made..all cant be blamed on earth.
Do you know why tamizhians and muslims especially in this country india are close to each other? Because these two cultures shared a lot with each other the “faith” the most important one. Thats why we always see the “harmony” here. “Assalaamu Alekkum..vaalekkum salaam”…you get the name of the religion “islam” here in the beginning and also at the end. ….in tamizh we say “islaam azhaikkum, vaazha vaikkum islam…the meaning and explanation i can now give here…. i see here, that the “islaam is inviting and it will let you live”.. the exact translation of what i have wriiten in tamizh. Thats why we always respect each other and no violence here. Nowhere you can find this “unity” but only in tamizhnadu. The nature worship of “sun” later on changed because of aryans and the worship of “moon” started i am sure. Eesan is still the water, the fire, the earth, the air and the sky…they are worshipped in different ways. We do we all fight with each other unnecessarily. We should all be HUMANE.
Even today in villages old aged people use the stem of BANYAN TREE to brush their teeth.
The connection between sivan and vilva leaves and banyan tree is explained. The vivam leaf (BEL LEAF in nothern india) is associated with sivan.
“AALUM VELUM PALLUKKU URUDI”
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This above tamizh proveb says that the BANYAN TREE and the VILVAM TREE (WOOD APPLE TREE) helps improve the strength of TOOTH.
The Tamil proverb says that ‘Aalum Velum pallukku urudhi’, meaning that the barks of these two trees of Aala Maram (Banyan tree) and Vela Maram (coniferous tree of the sea shore), are good for strength of the teeth. (Point to note is that the tooth brush made out from a tiny twig of such a tree is also bio-degradable!)
POINT TO BE NOTED FOREVER AND SHOULD BE STORED.
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So, the symbols of banyan tree and the symbol give us an impression of a spear is vilvam tree.
If you observe the symbols carefully, you will see that both the trees the trunk of the banyan tree and the leaf of wood apple (vilvam tree) are UNITED.
So, it is very much clear that the ancient tamizhians or the dravidians in general belived these trees VERY MUCH HOLI.
AALUM VELUM PALLUKU URUTHI.
In siddha medicine these two trees play main roles
We have MAHA VILVA PODI, the powdered vilva leaves for treating so many ailments.
The same vilva tree’s leaves are shown in CHIDAMBARAM temple in the dark room to cheat the innocent people to loot their money.
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USE BRAIN AND ESCAPE FROM THE DARK ROOM.
The ancient practice of waking up early (cock), brushing the teeth (with banyan tree stem and vilva stem) and having an early morning bath(fish symbol, explains the water) these three main matters full of discipline are now completely changed. Purely NATURAL thoughts are given different shapes and faces and the people are believing with closing their eyes. Everone has problems in life, this is the very factor that made the aryans to loot them by showing artificial faces. The one which is still FORMLESS, what is it doing?
In chitambaram temple,(TN) one chamber is locked for thousands of years i heard this some years back, what is in there? mystery!!!! Explore this temple further, we may get clues about our ancient culture. So, far 50,000/- crores of jewellery and valuables are taken out from the chambers of padmanabha temple, kerala, mindblowing and still in there, 2 chambers still not opened. open all the secret chambers of all the temples and find out what kind of mysteries and ancient treasure they had.
Tamil was the official language of Srilanka,Singapore and Malaysia.Apart from that Tamil is spoken in south Africa,Mauritius,Fiji and Trinidad.Classical language status should be given to a language when it is more than 2000 year old.According to this Tamil was recognized as classical language but other languages which has got classical language status even though it is less than 1500 year old is because of politics.
dear periyar mainthane,
i will explore the titile “latin of the east” given to the language TELUGU. Since all the original words we have in tamizh in full form. Was there misunderstanding because of the mixture and domination of sanskrit (the roots in tamizh) in telungu,
Dear all,
Professor Asko Parpola of Helsinki University about Tamizh
http://karthiksgraffiti.blogspot.com/2010/06/did-harappans-speak-tamil.html
Since in the above website it is written that the symbol of a FIG TREE (BANYAN TREE, ….in tamizh AALAMARAM) the air roots of the tree which looks like the ropes…. are giving me some clues. We often see that the sanyasis or the agori babas in Varanasi (kaasi) with rope like hair and they call themselves the devotee of Siva (shiva). Even in tamizh nadu if the hair on the head get glued together to give an impression like rope then the people say that they are cursed by the Maariamman for not fulfilling their prayer, a pledge they have taken while prayer for welfare or good health of a child or a person.
So, to me BANYAN TREE is playing an important part in clearing my doubts about the rope like hair of sanyasis (saadhus) of this whole india.
There is a Tamil phrase which says
‘Aalayam thozhuvathu saalavaum nandru’
which means
‘Worshipping the ‘Aalayam (temple)’ is greatest of many.
The another name of amman in salem district (TN) is “ayam” ayee.
So, the tree aalamaram is associated with aalayam (temple),
if we split this word “aalamaram” then it is
Aala+maari+amman.
Banyan+water+mother (goddess).
So, the thick rope like hair of sadhus are connected with banyan tree near the river.
ARURE……the babylonian God, if we split the name then it is
ARu+uyire………river+spirit… in tamil….short name “arure”
The agori babas in india are almost naked with thick rope like hair and they can be associated with a festival in ujjain city during KUMBH MELA.
c u all.
miss m and mr.abdul
im sorry i have my semester exams going on so oly i couldnt reply yesterday.all the information provided by both of u were quite interesting and useful, i told my firends and they were also mesmerised by the facts .they also wished both of u.and once again thanks a lot for the service you have provided to our language guys . continue the good work .
Dear Shyam,
Still i am searching “SIVAN” ….EESAN.
The name “EESAN” should be EENDRA+ACCHAN.
Meaning delivered+father (exact meaning in tamizh) the one who created us. the FATHER..
ACCHAN means APPAN in tamizh this word acchan is used by malayalis for father still.
Dear shyam and friends,
STORE THE FACTS IN BRAIN FOREVER.
Dear Shyam,
Good work.aCTUALLY I AM IN official tour to karnatka ,so couldnt concentrate or contribute much to this forum.Shortly,i may resume the same
Are they wishing me or cursing me? What is my fault?
youngsters are very much jovial and they would LISTEN always.
I am curious about the “third person” here.
Dear abdul thambi,
Let us not follow the north indians with “racism” and get out from a place full of emotionless people and reach a destination with full of emotions and those who respect emotions.
Dear abdul thambi,
The domination the north indians in the name of “colour” wont affect us all. Because we have talent. If the tamizhians (south indians) had to go out of india because of humiliation as the north indians keep nick names for us, then an Almighty is somewhere it shall take care of us all in india as well as in foreign countries.
Relality has been shown. Its upto them to understand. Even after realising the facts shown if they continue “racism” then they should not talk about british rule and they dont deserve to celebrate and speak in the name of “INDEPENDANCE”.
Tamizhians had been neglected so far. No one is ready to accept their talent then we should be away from all of them. We do not want dead bodies almost emotionless people.
Above “Navapasnam”(siddha medicine) spelt wrongly as “Navapashanam” manipulated by the aryans.
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Most of the well known temples of Tamil Nadu have historical significance but Palani’s history has facinated me. Palani Murugan was created by a siddha called Bogar, around 3000 BC. Bogar was a saint, authority in medicine and a yogi. He created the Lord Murugan of Palani using, nine different poisonous and naturally occuring matter called “Navapashanam”. They are Veeram, Pooram, Rasam, Jathilingam, Kandagam, Gauri Pasanam, Vellai Pasanam, Mridharsingh, Silasat.
This Navapashanam is supposed to be a Master Medicine of Siddha Medicinal System that cures all kinds of diseases. Even today people who take the prasad of panjamirtham after its abhisekam on the Deity claim that its cures many of their diseases. Later Bogar created his own samadhi in the Palani hill underneath the Navabasha idol of Murugan and entered into his samadhi to attain Nirvana, Nirvigalpa samadhi, a stage where the mind gets dissolved into the universal energy. The cave of entrance to his samadhi is still present at the Palani Hill. Legend has it that Bogar was the sage who visited China and was instrumental in spreading the Yogic/Kalari Payattu principles among chinese. Kalari form of martial arts is said to be the oldest of its kind in the world. Palani is also one of the Six Military Camps of the Lord Murugan from where he fought and defeated Soorapadma, leader of demonic forces.
ARYAND DO NOT DESERVE TO ENTER THE PLACE SO DIVINE.
There was not a God by the name of “Murugan” (as we see today the photo) in reality with flesh and blood and the saying that he had achieved a lot as written by people full of imagination to stimulate the faith of the innocent people. When there was not Lord Siva and Goddess Parvati ..how come Lord Muruga lived…NO. It was the bird “Cock” which was given priority in ancient time and now it is changed and people really belive that Muruga is a “Living God” to bless them…they have strong faith and devotion…somehow i think they have peace of mind believing the false belief still….let it continue…I am still a tiny drop of this huge ocean….Those who understood would continue seeking too….for the ultimate bliss that is the abode of God full of wonders…….and shining particles swaying away behind white angels are flying with smile on face….so innocent!!!!!…glittering dust so colourful …..i wish i could see all of them in reality!!!….. and also the innocent and compassionate face of Jesus!!!!! Would it be real or my imagination?? Mystery prevails!!!!
i remember my childhood christian friend who used to show me a lot of greeting cards with colourful shiny particles with angels, a small room in the upstair in tirunelveli i used to rotate and shake the cards to see how they glitter… and i am fond of these greeting cards and i remember the church where the father used to feed the new born children with holy water, the giant white coloured church on the roadside i dont forget anything and my schoolmate catherine and her mother, the principal of our school in pavoorchathiram, i want to see them all again.
This proves the ANTIQUITY of the tamizh civilisation and SIDDHA medicine.
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Siddha medicine is practised in Southern India. The origin of the Tamil language is attributed to the sage Agasthya and the origin of Siddha medicine is also attributed to him. Before the Aryan occupation of the Sind region and the Gangetic plain there existed in the southern India, on the banks of the river Kavery, and Tamirapani, a civilization which was highly organised
(1) This civilization has a system of medicine to deal with problems of sanitation and treatment of diseases. This is the Siddha system of medicine. It is possible that in the course of time this system and the one prevalent in the north supplemented and enriched each other. The therapeutics of Siddha medicines consists mainly of the use of metals and minerals whereas in the earlier Ayurveda texts there is no mention of metals and minerals
The universe consists of two essential entities, matter and energy. The Siddhas call them Siva (male) and Sakti (female, creation). Matter cannot exist without energy inherent in it and vice versa. The two co-exist and are inseparable.
They are the primordial elements PUTAS not to be confused with modern chemistry. Their names are
Munn(solid) (sand),
Neer (fluid) (water),
Thee (radiance) (fire),
Vayu (gas) and
Aakasam (ether) (sky)
These five elements (Bhutas) are present in every substance, but in different proportions. Earth, water , fire , air and ether are manifestations of these 5 elements .
OLD FASHION means the OLD PEOPLE WHO KNEW THE SECRET.
Taken from net about tamizh and its originality.
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Rev. Dr.G.U.Pope says: “Saiva Siddhanta philosophy is the choicest product of the Dravidian intellect. The Saiva Siddhanta system is the most elaborate, influential and undoubtedly the most intrinsically valuable of all the religions of India. It is a peculiarly South Indian and Tamil religion. Saivism is the old prehistoric religion of South India, essentially existing from pre-Aryan times and holds sway over the hearts of the Tamil people”
The Tamil cultural tradition is independent, not derived, not imitative; it is pre-Sanskritic, and from this point of view Tamil alone stands apart when compared with all other major languages and literatures of India. There exist in India only two great specific and independent classical and historically attested cultures – the Sanskritic culture and the Tamil culture. Tamil literature is the only Indian literature which is both classical and modern; while it shares antiquity with much of Sanskrit literature and is as classical, in the best sense of the word, as e.g. the ancient Greek poetry, it continues to be vigorously living modern writing of our days. ‘Tamil, one of the two classical languages of India, is the only language of contemporary India which is recognizably continuous with a classical past.’…” The philosophical system of Saiva Sidhdhantha, a system, which may be ranked among the most perfect and cleverest systems of human thought–Prof. Dr. Kamil Vaclav Zvelebil
September 17, 1927 – January 17, 2009
Picture source: http://www.tamilnation.org
Saiva Siddhanta is beyond the apex of pyramidal structure of all religions that rises majestically from a broad base. Its base is Polytheism; its lower half is Monotheism; its upper half is Metatheism; Siva Siddhanta is Supratheism or Camayฤtฤซtam (Samayatitam = เฎเฎฎเฎฏเฎพเฎคเฏเฎคเฎฎเฏ = The Supreme Being, as transcending all religions. Tamil Lexicon). It does not need any support; it has no beginning, no middle, no end and no name. Supratheism is a word coined by me to illustrate its position compared to other pyramidal religions; in fact, it is not a religion; it is the Universal Truth. Man can ascend this pyramid to a comfortable or competent level. When he goes beyond the pyramid, there are no icons, Mantra, Tantra, Yantra or disputations between religions. Metatheism is immersion in and absorption of the emanating essence of unbranded Being (Generic God) without regard to any particular religion. The generic Being may be worshipped as an icon or a word. The mental and spiritual eyes, ears and perceptions of the worshipper are his organons. Drawing the hidden essence and meaning, registering all visual, auditory and extrasensory vibrations emanating from icons, formulating them in words and phrases and laying down new paths are the essence of inspired religious prose and poetry of Metatheism. Some revealed Truths are beyond words. The object of all these constructs is to attain Moksa. (Author Krishnaraj’s view).
URNS DISCOVERED (thaazhi in tamizh)
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Tirunelveli is an ancient city, as evidenced by the findings of archaeological excavations which have been going on since 1840s, in the outskirts of the city in Adichanallur (now under Tuticorin district). At this site, the archaeologists have unearthed and urn which could date back to 500 B.C, containing a complete human skeleton and clay vessels with some rudimentary Tamil Brahmi script inscribed on them. Other ancient urns in which the elderly were buried have also been found in the same district. Along with skeletal finds, husks, grains of rice, charred rice and celts have also been found.More recent excavations at this site has led to the discovery of a habitation site of the Iron Age people. Archaeologists opine that it is about 3000โ3800 years old, from the Neolithic period. This has assured us that Tirunelveli has been an abode for human habitation for 3000 years or more. Now, Adhichanallur has been announced as an archaeological site for further excavation and studies.
The known history says that Tirunelveli had been under the prominence of the Pandya kings, serving as their secondary capital while Madurai remained its primary capital.
Dear abdul thambi,
Very good answer from you. We are emotional about our mother language tamizh. This is what i meant to say.
Sadly. “EMOTIONS ARE EXPLOITED” in the name of unnatural Gods.
Thanks for accepting the facts wholeheartedly…i like that….i have seen muslims very attached to their religion and belief and they are adamant about their faith…do you think religion only make all kinds of violence? …Good spirit is needed …once again thanks a lot…very rare indeed!!!!
Tamil people lived during ancient times are classified according to the kingdom they lived .They are classified as Adhiyar,Arular,cheral,cholar,pandiyar etc.They are not divided by any caste,religion .But the Brahmans divided the people in the name of caste by the type of work they had done.I was proud to be born as Tamil because the caste name is not included in Tamil names.But the case is different for north Indians where all the people have included their caste name with the their names.It will be embarrassing for the lower caste people because they will be easily identified by their name.Tamil people must thank thanthai periyar and anna durai for removing the caste name from Tamil names.
Dear periyar mainthane,
Siddha books explained a mental diseases in a names of Amirtha choodu, Piramai, Pitham, Manapramai, Payithiyam, Vattu, Very Noi as good as Marul noi.
The disease called ‘PIRAMAI’ can be called in english as ILLUSION. Speechless state of a person.
Here the word PIRAMAI has been taken by the aryans and they have created among the people the illusion BRAHMAM. So, as long as people under their created illusion, NOTHING CAN BE DONE.
Extra intelligence is needed to come out this circle.
The doctrines by the aryans through their selfish sanskrit (the sanskrit the original word itself has taken from tamizh language later on gone through foreign tongues and spelt as “sanskrit”) has so far mixed the POISON in our divine and peaceful culture. It has so far created tension, crime and sin that has no salvation at all.
I think we tamizhians in the south understood the very nature of the selfish aryans (good aryans….not a myth) than others of india. As the society changes, the old fashion changes, the new one would not ever come to know the deepest meaning. NO ONE CARES ACTUALLY. Those who cares only take notice of everything and may reform the society. They SHOULD……
Dear periyar mainthane,
Thanthai Periyar had changed one or two letters, the style of writing not the whole letters. It was because of the domination of the brahmins and their vadamozhi sorkal (letters came from north or say… from their tongue) The spoken tamizh was the same. It was not changed. For example the letter “Lai”. Instead of keeping the upper font like “the trunk” of the elephant, because the worship of an elephant god was becoming famous i suppose. Get the details if u can.
Casteism is still prevalent in india and we should all indians feel shameful about this.
dear miss m,
i know what you have said.because there is no time for me i was not able to explain clearly.
LACK OF TIME makes us all dwell in the dark world. We should come to the world full of BRIGHTNESS.
do your duty first…we are in need of money for survival….language tamizh can wait and watch!!!!!….money yes money…am thinking about the face of bugs bunny!!!..do you know that my name has mani?
AKARA MUTHALA EZHUTTHELLAAM AADI PAKAVAN MUDATREY ULAHU. (THIRUKURAL by Sage.Thiruvalluvar)
This verse means that of all the letters โAh: is the first letter and serves as the root /base for all other letters. Like that this whole universe has emerged from the Lord Almighty.
“Akaram” in tamizh means different letters of tamizh language, related to study.
In the tamizh dictionary on the net it is
Akaram – a letter A
Sp, the english word “Academic” has the root word in tamizh.
Academic means connected with education.
Academies…………the school or college where special training is given.
Dear all,
Another name of Mariamman (rain goddess) is KAATERI. Veeramamunivar in his poem of 1100 stanzas, “Kittรชri ammalle saritiram” he sings the praises of the martyr St. Quiteria (not St. Catherine, as some writers have mistakenly asserted). I suppose, the ancient belief of worshipping kaateri amman or maariamman would cure the diesease of all water related. St.Queiteria is also worshipped in the same way as some one has written that the scars on her face faded away by worshipping St.Quiteria.
Taken from net now.
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“Mari” was considered as a causative force for smallpox, chicken pox, mumps and measles (Maari in Tamil means rain. Since the rainfall cooled the otherwise hot area and protected people from summer sicknesses like viral infections, people started worshipping the rain goddess as Maari Amman)
So, kaateri amman (the ferocious look) and St.quiteria has relation with each other.
the “amman” worship in tamizhnadu would put light to the topic the “oldest language”. Because, no other state in india has the serious worship of amman but only in tamizh nadu. Hundreds of names given to this goddess would clear the doubt and explain the relation between names of this world given to humans. The craziest worship of “amman” in tamizhnadu alone can lead and end the topic “the oldest living language”. There is no need to work hard just make the list of names of amman in tamizhnadu. The fastest and easiest way to reach the destination without hardships. Few examples of names given below,
isaki amman
sooli amman
veperi amman
muthu maari amman
The names given to Gods in india would prove that it was once upon a time a dravidan country and how it has been faced drastic changes later on.
Velaankanni Amman and “Valentine” day has relation with each other also.
I am also researching the word “ATOM BOMB” the word “atom” is from “aathi antham”……at+om
in tamizh we say for “atom” the pure tamil word is “aNu” means the “karu” the “womb”. Karu…the core….the centre of any object.
ok…one another word in greek is “anthrop”….
in tamizh we say “aathiroopam”….the “primitive form”.
so, the word in english “anthropology” or the word “anthrop” have the root in tamizh.
we have the word “anth” in hindi means “to end” “to destroy”
“paap ka anth” in hindi means the “destruction of sin”.
So we have the word “antham” (end) in hindi as “anth”
LET ME SHARE FEW WORD FOR YOUR REFERENCE
Tamil English
KOLL KILL
Vanjam vengence
Katumaram Katmaron
Mankaai Mango
AARU ANJU Orange
( 6+5 sulai’s…..If you break the orange you 5 pieces in one side of your hand and 6 pieces in other hand, so how much you get 6+5 ) English people named after the fruit colour as one of the hue in thier list with same tamiz word.
the explanation of the fruit “orange” is very much interesting…yes it has the two nos…6+5…..aaru is 6 and anju in tamizh is 5……and they named as “orange” for this fruit and also for colour….one of my favorite colours….knowledge leads to perfection…
aathi in tamizh means the “beginning” and “antham” means “the end”…so “aathi antham illathathu” means “the one which does not have the beginning and end as well…..”aathi manithan” in tamizh means the “primitive man”.
“aathi antham illathathu” this tamizh sentence indirectly tells us the shape of circle with has no beginning and end as well. No need to tell that they had idea about the shape of this earth earlier itself. So, the ancient tamizh literature has been the inspiration for so many but they dont accept wholeheartedly.
Dear all,
I am researching the word “ADAM” it must have come from “ADHI”(AATHI) “ANDAM” (may be aatham). The words “Thee” and “tham” the exact meaning is needed.
ok..now the stories of the Bible and the myths of ancient Greece and Rome have contributed mcuh to western culture. The word ‘money’ for example is derived ultimately from the name of a Roman Goddess, JUNO MONETA, whose temple was used as a mint in ancient Rome.
As i said earlier the civilisation has started near water, the “need” for stomach after air and heat.
Possibilities.
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JUNO MONETA…….KUMARI ….”KUMA”….’MARI” …
the word JUNO must be “KUMO”. Since the letter “J” has been added it is spelt as JUNO……
MONETA……….in tamizh if we say MAZHAI+THAA means give rain.
MAZHAI+ NEER = RAIN+WATER.
MAZHAI NEER THA……GIVE RAIN WATER.
It seems, while worshipping the river kumari ….mari is infact water and they requested to Goddess to give them rain water.
JUNO MONETA……give us…oh rain Goddess give us rain water.
“KUMARI MAZHAI NEER THA.
“JUNO MONETA” has very close relation with what i have written above. As we have seen the babylonians had the habit of saying “mina (meen…fish) as “nina”…they have replaced the first letter “m” here. similarly the romans have added “n” removing “m”.
So, they have all it seems come from the full form “KUMARI”. The word ‘MANITHAN” in tamizh means an “individual” but i think it is MAZHAI+THA…….RAIN+GIVE. The tamizh word “manithan” and roman “moneta” has relation.
c u all
Manithan here mani means mazhai neer, the rain water and “THAN” means “coolness” as we have the word for water in tamizh “thanneer”. So, mani+than would mean rainwater+coolness. So, we should now have the meaning of for the word manithan as “rain water so cool” instead of “man”.
periyar felt that people used religion only as a mask to deceive innocent people and therefore took it as one of his duties in life to warn people against superstitions and priests.But still priest like nithyananda,.kanchi sankarachariya are worshiped like god.It was very sad that musllim leaders had called jeyanderar saraswathi for solving the ayodhya dispute.when the whole world knows what jeyandrar has done to innocent people especially to women.
Dear periyar mainthane,
I read the news also and have seen the photo too in news paper.
Yes, you are right. 60% tamilzhians are following dead bodies almost dead because they dont have sympathy for the poor people who are kept in darkness in hindu temples. The worship of nature has been changed and the brain of the people are kept in the rooms full of utter darkeness.
you are very polite and kind hearted with them all but not with me…am very very sensitive…be careful about words you use when you are angry….dont explore my past.
Aruire in tamizh means the “dearest”.
Given below is one of Babylonian Gods named “ARURU”
Aruru was one of the names of the โlady of the godsโ, and aided Marduk to make the seed of mankind. At first she was โAruru, lady of the gods of Sippar of Aruruโ, in the time of the dynasty of Hammurabi called Yaโruru. Another was โNin-hur-saga, lady of the gods of Kesโ. Mama and Mami are other names of โthe lady of the godsโ, equated with the creatress of the seed of mankind, Aruru, probably so called as the โmotherโ of all things. Another name of this goddess is Ama, โmotherโ. The Hebrew โAm ha Eretzโ can be read as โMother Earth.
In tamizh we have “Meena” the one of the names of parvati, wife of Eesan (aasaan, the teacher or the MASTER). For fish we say “MEEN”. The excavation in indus shows there were symbols of fish. Just find out connection between these two cultures. Tamizhans and babylonians.
Goddess “Nina”
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From the name Nin, Ishtar is also Nina. Identified with Aruru, the goddess who helped Marduk to create mankind, Ishtar was also regarded as the mother of all, and in the Babylonian story of the Flood, she is made to say that she had begotten man, but like โthe sons of the fishesโ, he filled the sea. Nina, as another form of Ishtar, was a goddess of creation, typified in the teeming life of the ocean, and her name is written with a character standing for a house or receptacle, with the sign for โfishโ within. Her earliest seat was the city of Nina in southern Babylonia, from which place, in all probability, colonists went northwards, and founded another shrine at Nineveh in Assyria, which became the great centre of her worship, and was called Ninaa or Ninua after her. As their tutelary goddess, the fishermen in the neighbourhood of the Babylonian Nina and Lagas were accustomed to make to her, as well as to Innanna or Ishtar, large offerings of fish.
It is clear that all the religions has the origin near water.
c you all
The symbol of “fish” that is “meenamma” or “meenaachi” still we worship this “amman” it has been the symbol for Babylonians also, they have worshipping also the fish, the one who ruled the water. Ishtar the God of Babylonian is no one but Eesan only. I have found relation between the sumerian God “ENKI” and Tamizhan God Isaki Amman…ISAKI…here ISA is Sivan and “Ki” given for the female form, the “oneness” of the two Gods ISA+KI. Just like We say “thevaki, (devaki) Maathanki etc. the name given for girls in tamizhnadu. So, MEENA and EESAN are the two names so ancient still used.
Interesting news taken from net.
The history of veshti (lungi)
Manuscripts and other evidences point out the origin of the lungi in the present day Tamil Nadu. The lungi was earlier known as ‘Veshti’, a white colored garment.
Historical evidences point out that the Muslin cloth of Veshti was exported to Babylonia from Tamil Nadu. Writings in Babylonian archaeological articles specify the word ‘Sindu’, which in Tamil means ‘garment’. A sect of fishermen in Tamil Nadu called ‘Baradavargal’ exported lungis to East Africa, Egypt, and Mesopotamian regions. With the passage of time, the white lungi became a more refined and colorful garment with flowers and other designs printed on it. Gradually, stripes, checks in various blends of fabrics, cotton being the most popular, were made available in the market.
According to Thanthai periyar if you remove the Sanskrit words from Kannada,Telugu and Malayalam all these languages sounds same like Tamil.Todays modern Tamil is because of periyar.periyar has made some corrections in old Tamil for the people to write and speak in easiest way.
But, tamzh is intact in “full form”..this is the most important point.
Dear all,
All the passages we have written and our hard work would get vanished away in some more days. Some one else would come to struggle i hope so.
TEARS
This givenbelow website is for Abdul thambi.
About Thiru. Devaneya Pavanar and his service to Tamizh language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devaneya_Pavanar
Dear all,
I have some latin words, the pronunciation and the relation they have with tamizh words.
Root…………………latin……….meaning…………………..tamizh words
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mater,matr…..mater,matris….mother………..mariaatha (water goddess)
am, amat…..amo, amatum……..love……………………..amudam
bel, belli……..bellum………………war………………………vellum (victory)
corp,corpor…corpus……………..body……………………..kayam (body)
cur, curs…….curro……………….run,go……………………kadathal (cross)
flect,flex……..flecto………………..bend…………………….valainthu (bend)
gen,geni…….geno………………..give birth to……………eendru (delivery)
gyn————gune……………….woman…………………….peN (woman)
man,mani……manus…………….hand…………………manithan (individual)
nom,nomen….nomen……………name…………………naamam (name)
……….nominis……………….Thiru ‘namam’
pend, pens….pendo…………….pay…………………….paNam, parisu
pensum weigh (money, gift)
(relation with coins)
phil, philo……philos………………loving……………….iLLRaram (home,family)
“iLL”
vir………………..vir………………..man, male…………..Veeran (man)
the one who won the war.
volt, volut……..volvo,volutum….roll, turn…………….uruLum (rolling)
(swirl)
tact…………….tactum………………touch……………….thatuvathu (touch)
(thatelluzhthu)
(typewriter)
sid, sede……..sedeo………………sit, settle…………..sittham, sinthanai
be situated…………..(think,meditation)
quir……………..quaesitum………seek, ask…………….keLvi
keLvi khyanam
(attain wisdom by questioning)
port…………porto, portatum…. carry……………….poRu ( bear it)
PoRumai (patience)
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I dont have time now……i have so many words….c you all.
The aryans sole aim was to change the worship of “Sivan” they could only succeed in Andhrapradesh by introducing “Vishnu”.
If you just examine this name Vishnu….it is Ishnu…isaa+nu….The sound “sh” was added. The aryans never wanted a Dravidan God in india, they always wanted to change the whole faith. OK.
Now, the faith is only dragging the people to all the temples, the name is and the same person is worshipped with different names. As i said i have not explored the God “SIVAN” so far.
Because the aryans could not make the people worship all over india, they have settled with “LOCAL GODS” like Rama, Krishna and Iyyappa. so, they have stopped their efforts after seeing the popularity for these famous personalities (dont know the history) and started minting money. The sole aim it seems to keep the people in darkness and grab their wealth….
i am not shocked to know the fact that there was no person called “sivan” in reality, because i was not attached to Gods and had always confusion about so many Gods. I once asked my school mate who was “Eesan”? She replied he was “sivan”. No wonder why he was always an “illusion” i think the watery shadow of sivan on the wall made me always curious and am surprised it only brought me here…so i think i should give importance to my “destiny”. I believe still God has no form.
Uruvam in tamizh means “FORM”. Aruvam in tamizh means “FORMLESS”..How can we cross and reach him?????
unanswerable question.
There is no need to explore the god Sivan, because it will burn you, it is only “fire” but if you go near banyan tree it wont burn you it will only give you cool shade :) both are red coloured in ancient time.
Dear all,
Ever -green melodious songs of M.S.SUBBULAKSHMI. My one of favorite singers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFpUxqR2t38
Thank you.
miss m
im really proud of u and mr.abdul .dont care about wat these guys say,we know that tamizh is the oldest language in the world or even universe who knows. can those guys who argue can tell any literature or book which can be considered as good as THIRUKURAL. THIRUKURAL alone is more than enough for us to prove that tamizh is the oldest and greatest language.I have studied in my school days (mozhi valthu) in which they say that tamizh language is the language of gods(theiva mozhi).we tamizilians have well developed knoweledge in ancient time itself, KALLANAI which was builted by KARIKALAN a grest chozla king about 2000 years ago, which is still in use and in good condition can u tell any such dams which is 2000 years old and still in use .like wise there are like wise i can tell one by one but it would take me to infinity .one day or other the world will come to know the hidden mysteries and great culture of tamizh, that day is not too far..!!!
vaalga tamizh , vaalga vaiyagam..!!!
Dear Shyam,
Thanks a lot for your comments. Unless hardwork nothing can be achieved. I dont have much time to spend to establish the facts. But i can surely say that all the worship started from NATURE. Mainly the FIRE has been the main energy thats why we always associate Sivan with Fire. Various names of him say that he taught the art of dance. If you observe “burning fire” or “flame” or even a “candle” while burning you can get so many clues. When air blows the fire becomes much more active and it gives you different kinds of shapes.
The various kinds of movements of hands and legs i suppose have come from inspiration given by fire. I come from the family of scientists and my uncle was invited to create “rolling gas” for a film shoot in the early 60s. The gas was coming step by step and colour was added to it.It would give you an impression like water fall. It was a famous hindi film.
My uncle had a letter written by ALBERT EINSTEIN with him and in return he also wrote letters to him…. I dont know about his life full of science. He was very much obsessive about his work and he would not allow anyone to touch even his pen. One another uncle was invited by the American Government in early 60s because he was a genious. He was reluctant and then later on he was made to get out of India and he was in america but he could not survive for long he died due to cardiac arrest. Had he been an unmarried person he would have achieved a lot. I think most of scientists could not achieve a lot dealing personal affairs also.
I dont want to give informations now. Thanks a lot for encouraging us Mr.Shyam.
Dear Shyam,
Since you have mentioned Karikaalan and his KallanaNai dam, i am now remembering my late uncle who was connected with water and dam. He was a scientist and achieved a lot in india and his blood is now in canada.
nothing to say.
miss m
there is no need for saying thanks and all, i only did my duty.Its the duty of every tamilian. continue your good work we are always there to support you and mr.abdul
and we are proud of both of u i must say thanks to both of u for the service u have given to our language.you are from a family which has rich heritage and im proud for talking with you mam.continue your work we are there for you.
Dear Shyam,
The word “mam” has in it “amudam”(love). All who supported here for tamizh have done a good job. Every language has its own charm and glory. Their tonal expressions are different and expressive. The only difference in india about tamizh is that it has the FULL FORM as well as not a single so many words to express a thing from the beginning itself. They are used by our neighbours.
I have found some words of telungu with me they have almost reduced the words to form a sentence. And in kannada also i found similarities with tamizh, they have either removed the letter in the beginning or at the end…. and the very nearest and the very thickest relation we have …is with malayalam. Sadly, sanskrit had been mixed in their language and it shows the domination only.
For example, ( u can get the clear picture of sanskrit domination for easy pronounciation)
Tamizh………………………Telungu
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Annan………………………..anna
akkaa…………………………akka
thambi…………………………thammudu
thangai………………………..thamki
kannipen……………………..kanyaka
thalai…………………………..thala
mooLai………………………..moola
ottakam………………………..ontte
kaakai…………………………..kaaki
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avarkal enge ponaarkal?…vaaru ekkada ki poyiri?
paal vilai enna?………………palu vele emi?
nee velai seyvaaya?……….neevu panee seykalava?
sathamagap pesu…………..katikaa maatlaadu.
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Dear shyam, my father himself was an intellectual person who was known for his writing talent. His elder brothers both and his younger brothers had also achieved a lot. My father used to appreciate all the people of all religions. He had bible with him in his briefcase i found it after his death very strangely though, he was crazy about Nagoor Hanifa’s songs, qawwali music and also western and carnatic music. From michael jackson to Elvis presley he used to listen all kinds of music. His second brother was a “man of words” means he was a “English Dictionary” himself. He knew the meaning of all words and explantions. He was a magic. Sadly, we dont have them today.
I feel proud of all of you.
c you all tomorrow.
Dear Shyam,
Thanks a crore for ur kind appreciation and generous motivation.Just northerners are trying to embalm or preserve the dead body(Sanskrit) which never serve the purpose of mankind.Tamizh seeks its own uniquiness and chastity which cant be challeneged by anyone..! Vaazha Tamizh..!
Dear Shyam,
Thanks a crore for ur kind appreciation and generous motivation.Just northerners are embalming or preserving the under developed infant(sanskrit) which is dead in the womb of mother Tamizh.Tamizh has is own uniqueness for all time which cant be challenged by any world languages about its antiquity ,heritage and richness…! vaazha Tanizh..!
Dear Shyam,
Thanks a crore for ur kind appreciation and generous motivation.Just northerners are embalming or preserving the under developed infant(sanskrit) which is dead in the womb of mother Tamizh.Tamizh has its own uniqueness for all time which cant be challenged by any world languages about its antiquity ,heritage and richness…! vaazha Tamizh..!
Dear abdul thambi,
Are we in science laboratory? Suddenly, i can see rows of glass bottles with dead infant bodies and strange creatures. I think all the beginning and the ending depends upon nature a lot. I think there was a severe earthquake in the indus valley thats what had changed a lot of things and another earthquake in the deepest ocean near tamizh land was also a reason for all the destruction.
Even after facing natural calamities and manual destruction, still we are here to debate and giving prooofs that only shows our spirit.
Though english and other languages have different ancestors to create their vocabulary. I think tamizhian culture had left a strong impression and spotless marks.
Thanks a lot all of you for taking sincere efforts.
miss m
im really astonished , how can u gather so much information every day.hope god guides you for ever and im very proud of your father and his brother we all miss them a lot ,but they are with us and they will be with us to help all of us.continue your good work.
vaazhga tamil , vaazhga vaiyagam..!
mr.abdul
yes i know that northerners are trying hide the truth,but we know that truth alone triumphs at the end. dont care about what they say we know what is the truth,just coming here and posting some flase and fake messages will not make it true and more over we are not dumbheads to believe it.we have solid proofs and facts about tamizh so dont worry brother we are here for u .
Thanks a lot shyam dear.
Dear Shyam
“AAAyiram Kaikal maraitaalum aathavan maraivathilai”.So,our mother tamizh has reached heights repute more than Himalayas which cant be hidden any more.
Dear Abdul thambi,
Your comment is like Tamizh is “ANDAM” and Sankskrit is “PINDAM” so the outer part of this globe like tamizh carries the pindam to the core. Without tamizh this pindam was not possible. Anyways, it leads me to another thought.
Thank you for your comments which is full of the theory of evolution, the gradual development of something from something else that came and was simpler.
it seems abdul thambi is very very emotional.
Ultimate tradegy of mankind is not brutality of few (Ariyans)but the silence of many(Dravidians)..!I never act emotionally ..then ,i might have kept away myself like other tamizh muslims by saying…” Arabic is the oldest language….”because Quran is revealed in Arabic.I m moving with rational facts ..that the reason ,I m supporting..sorry ..accepting the geniune facts of Tamizh..I hope ,i m acting wisely rather than faling prey to emotional sentiments..
yes thambi, truth it is!!!! Struggle is the another name for life…so we are struggling here. The world would never accept the hidden truth, but it is our duty to reveal the secrets of this great civilisation beyond imagination. Dont feel bad..we have done our duty for our mother Tamizh. She is happy with our work i hope so.
i dont understand you what you are in reality. But i would like you to lead a life without problems.
just like THIRUKURAL..THIRUQURAN is also preaching good morals to all the humanbeings, so i found here relation between tamizh and islamic thoughts, but sadly, no one accept it, because today is a modern world, we have changed a lot. We can not see the peaceful atmosphere which prevailed during ancient time.
The english word “ENCODE” itself has the tamizh word “eN” means the number.
encode means to put a message into a code (a secret writing system) or to change a message into a form a COMPUTER can read.
So, the tamizh word is used in this particular word “ENCODE”.
Kodu in tamizh means the line which is drawn. so the word “code” is also a tamizh word.
“DECODE” means to find out the meaning of sometthing which is written in a code.
“CIPHER” in english means “code”..or the number “zero”. For example if you say the police caught the foreign spy sending a wireless message in “cipher” means (a system of secret writing).
So, the tamzih words “EN” and “CODU” (code) are used in english language.
It is Stupidity to say that Tamil(Damn it not Tamzih) is the origin of some word and some part of it. In that sense every part of other languages can be said to be from another language.
Just a simple logic.
count numbers in Telugu Kannada tamil and malayalam
you will see that all the numbers sound similar.
All the languages were born out of sanskrit and it is also said that Telugu is the oldest language.
Digest this now :
Telugu is the only language in India which has all the words that end with the sound of Vowel. It is called the “Italian of the East”.
Dear arun,
It may be and is “italian of the east” but you should think about the origin of the language and its development. Indeed, telugu words have lots of similarties but more and more sanskrit tongue has entered into your language.
When you have written about “Italian” then i should tell you the fact “Veeramamunivar” was the first ever christian i suppose to have taken the tamizh words to “Rome”.
The history of tamizh is beyond “IMAGINATION”. We have so far given lots of proofs to establish the facts. All started from indus valley and excavations of tamizh letters and words prove the facts. So, there is need for us to prove now. Enough is enough!!!!!!
I will come up with relation between tamizh and latin words may be tomorrow.
c you.
Dear arun,
Just because you have sanskrit words in your language you are side by side humiliating the Dravidian languag, his hardwork, his efforts, his devotion to the nature, his capacity to control his MIND and yoga kalai (the art for good health), and bharathanatyam (the divine dance) and you are humiliating the dravidan super man Sivan (an illusion). He is a MYSTERY still. Are you a dravidan by birth?.
the only mistake of Saint Veeramamunivar was that he was not exposing the facts about the language tamizh to this world though he did a lot of marvellous literary works for tamizh. The only surprise to me atleast is that he devoted his valuable time spending in tamizhnadu. He is still a “wonder”. Person like him are very very RARE. We dont have complaints. Let the secret be the secret forever. We need peaceful atmosphere than glory for our tamizh.
i could understand the “mayhem” that prevailed when he was here. Aryans are to be blamed for whatever they have done to the nature concept. at the end, 5 elements are to be appreciated and keenly observed. let the science grow but we are helpless.
THE METAL “IRON” WAS USED IN SIDDHA MEDICAL PRACTICE BEFORE THE ARYANS INVADED INDIA.
Aryans who invaded india only to LOOT the treasure and SURVIVE and then later on they LEARNT everything.
This system of medicine developed within the Dravidian culture, which is of the “pre-vedic period”.
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The Neem tree was regarded as sacred in Mohenjo-daro Civilization. In the annals of the ancient Siddha System of Medicine, the first medicinal plant mentioned as well as found a place, in ancient Tamil literature is Margosa or Neem. This has been used by Tamils from time immemorial as a deterrent for smallpox and other infectious diseases and also considered to possess powers to ward off evil spirits. Perhaps they were aware of the germicidal action and the medicinal properties of the Margosa, Tirumular, the great siddha is said to have been in deep penance for several thousands of years before the Christian Era in eternal bliss under a sacred pipal tree.
According to Siddha medical science the universe consists of 5 elements. Earth, Water, Fire, Air and Ether which correspond to the five senses of the human body. Man consumes water and food, breathes the air and then maintains the heat in the body. He is alive because of the life force given by ether. The earth is the first element which gives fine shape to the body, including bones, tissues, muscles, skin, hair etc. Water is the second element representing blood, secretions of the glands, vital fluid etc. Fire the third element that gives emotion, vigour and vitality to the body. It also helps digestion, circulation and stimulation besides respiration and the nervous system. Above all other is the characteristic of man’s mental and spiritual faculties. A suitable proportion of these five elements in combination with each other produce a healthy person.
c you all.
ANDAM VATTAMAANATHU ENDRU KANDU PIDITHATHU TAMIZHANE.
THE ONE WHO FOUND THE SHAPE OF THE EARTH IS CIRCLE IS A TAMIZHIAN. THE WORD “ANDAM” IN ANCIENT TAMIZH TEXT PROVES THE FACT.
Andathil ulathe pindam
Pindathil ulathe andam
Andamum pindamum Onre
Arinthu than parkum poluthu”.
(Sattamuni Siddhar)
The elliptical facts (The cosmos and the earth): The earth and everything above and below it, as a whole, constitute the cosmos. Siddhas compared this structure to an egg* (Andam). The earth on which we live, the small globe of all our hopes, exists within it, is compared to egg yolk (Pindam). As long as the egg is intact and safe the yolk is also safe. As long as there is good harmony between the egg and its yolk, via, the egg white, the embryonic life is ensured. Thus, according to the Siddhas, Pindam is always dependent on Andam. In other words, the world is always dependent on the cosmos surrounded by it. Siddhas have referred world as Earth, the surrounding cosmos as Sky and established the connection of these two by the three other basic factors, viz., water, fire and air. Thus, defined the state of art of the entire cosmos with a compound word (referring to five basic factors) as Panchaboodhas
The egg contains the embryo,
The embryo contains the egg;
The egg and embryo are alike,
The informed one will know!
>> An old Siddha song.
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The body machine, a product of Panchaboodhas,
Ruled by aspects of water and fire and also,
Nurtured by air that is inhaled through the right nose,
That nurtures the life-force that known as sky!
>> Thirumoolar Naadi-13
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Thus, the body was, in their discovery, quite comparable to cosmos. Thus they further their comparative study on these two calling them both as bigger-egg (Per+andam) and smaller-egg (Chitr-andam). Now, this comparative study opened a newer question before them. It is nothing but, WHY the bigger-egg is immortal while the smaller-egg is mortal. The God, in response to Siddhas selfless prayers, blessed their unusual question with an apt answer, based on their worthiness to know the same.
DEAR ALL, the word “Andam” refers the shape of egg…..
in hindi also for egg…the word is “Anda” because it has the shape of an earth. So, we find here the tamizh word andam is living in HINDI. The andam gives the shape of CYPHER…that is CIRCLE or ZERO.
If the exploitation of aryans in the name of hinduism should be over.
As long as this smaller egg (the core) survive, the bigger egg (the outer earth) would also be safer. When this chitra andam (uterus) is destroyed, the evolution would get stopped. With Gods’ grace it may continue.
These tamil verses tell us about its glory.
Agam endrum puram endrum vazhvai azhagaaga vaguthalithu, aadhi ANDAM illathu irukindra iniya mozhi, Oodhi valarum uyiraana ulaga mozhi namm mozhi.. namm mozhiโฆ adhuveโฆ
[It a sweet language with no known beginning or end and it beautifully splits and explains the way we need to lead our personal and public life, Itโs a language thatโs close to our heart and its ever widely spoken language..Itโs our language.. and that is..]
There is no beginning or end for a circle. “Aadhi Andham Illathathu”. All other things have a beginning and an end.
Only in the later stage of Islamic history that the Sufis tried to not only imitate Muhammad but also attempted to seek the spiritual experience.[16] The ideas of Union with God or ittihฤd (ุงุชุญุงุฏ) in Sufism are akin to Aikyavฤda (aikiyam) in Saivism (เฎเฏเฎฐเฏเฎคเฎฒเฏ, เฎเฎฒเฎคเฏเฎคเฎฒเฏ, เฎเฎเฏเฎคเฎฒเฏ). The spirit of mysticism in these two religious traditions can be appreciated from these identical utterances of two eighth century mystics of Saivism and Islam. For it is said: โAll mystics speak the same language, for they come from the same countryโ (Saint Martin).[17]
@tunno lal, thanks for your comment for including Tamil also as the oldest language.Even though you had said that Sanskrit as the oldest language in India,which is not acceptable for me.i appreciate at least one or two people like you have accepted that Tamil as the oldest language along with Sanskrit.Because of jealousy most of the people are not accepting Tamil as the oldest language.
Dear periyar mainthane,
when they have completly changed the whole concept of “faith” and introduced thousands of AVATARS in india we can not sit and argue with them. hihihi……its waste of time and energy.
PAKALAVAN……….pakal+avan……..daylight+He…brightness+God.
This word pakalavan has been changed using “bha” sound and bhagawan was introduced. Then we can say most of them use their brain in a very very cunning manner and they have the capacity to fool the whole universe.
Sanskrit is the oldest language in the world, please see references below.
Vedic Sanskrit is the oldest attested language of the Indo-Iranian language family. It is the language of the Vedas, the oldest Shruti texts of Hinduism, compiled over the period of the mid 4th to mid 3rd millennium BCE. It can be said that Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, Tamazight, Hebrew and Tamil are the oldest major languages which are still spoken today.
Sanskrit was also suggested as the best language for use in Computational Linguistics and Artificial Intelligence by NASA. It is the only language in the world which is scientifically precise as was discovered by the NASA scientist Rick Briggs as published in the Artificial Intelligence Magazine
Rick Briggs:
“As we shall see, there was a language spoken among an ancient scientific community that has a deviation of zero. This language is Sanskrit.”
Dear tunno lal,
If the sanskrit the “short hand” form of tamizh is used for all the researches as you say then it is ancient tamizh still being used. Thank you for the information. The history of tamizhakam is beyond BELIEF.
Explore the harappa civilisation and find out. Anyhow, no one is going to accept the facts.
In tamizh we say for water “mari” “kumari” and for son of sivan the bird cock actually as “kumara”n….so, kumari is water …if kumara is cock the bird then “kumari” is the bird hen….and it is a proof that this bird has come from mari, the water…and its egg is used to denote the shape of this earth..andam in tamizh.. and inner yolk as “pindam”….so, this egg made the ancient people to understand the nature of this earth. the “karu”, the womb where the evolution starts and also if this womb explode it would lead to the destruction of lives….let me think deeply….. our earth has the “core” only one womb…no other womb to continue the life on this earth, the planet.
sanskrit yes sanskrit
From net.
Karagaattam (the folk dance of tamizh nadu)
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Karagam is a folk dance with musical accompaniment, performed balancing a pot on the head. Traditionally, this dance was performed by the villagers in praise of the “rain goddess” Mari Amman and “river goddess”, Gangai (kan+kai) Amman, performed with literature with water pots balanced on their heads.
Kummi
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Kummi is one of the most important and ancient forms of village dances of Tamilnadu. It originated when there were no musical instruments, with the participants clapping their hands to keep time. This is performed by women.
Mayil Attam
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This is done by girls dressed as peacocks, resplendent with peacock feathers and a glittering headdress complete with a beak. This beak can be opened and closed with the help of a thread tied to it, and manipulated from within dress.
Kolaattam
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Kolaattam is an ancient village art. This is mentioned in Kanchipuram as ‘Cheivaikiyar Kolaattam’, which proves its antiquity. This is performed by women only, with two sticks held in each hand, beaten to make a rhythmic noise.
Oyil Kummi
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This is an ancient folk dance form popular in Trichy, Salem, Dharmapuri, Coimbatore and Erode. No other musical instruments are used in this dance except the ankle-bells. This dance is performed by men only, during temple festivals. Stories and episodes centering around Murugan and Valli are depicted in the songs. As one of the rare folk art forms of ancient Tamil Nadu, this is being practiced now by the Telugu speaking people of the northern districts.
Kavadi Aattam
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The ancient Tamils when they went on pilgrimage, carried the offerings to the gods tied on the either end of the long stick, which was balanced on the shoulders. In order to lessen the boredom of the long travel they used to sing and dance about the gods. Kavadi Aattam has its origin in this practice. Special songs were created to be sung while carrying the “KAVADI SINDHU”. This dance is performed only by men. It is done by balancing a pole with pots fixed on either end, filled with milk or cocunut water. (HERE THE WORD “SINDHU” IS GIVING US PROOF THAT WE HAVE RELATION WITH “INDUS” VALLEY)
Poikkal Kudirai Aattam
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This is the Dummy Horse Dance where the dancer bears the dummy figure of a horse’s body on his/her hips. This is made of light-weighted materials and the cloth at the sides swings to and fro covering the legs of the dancer. The dancer dons wooden legs, which sound like the hooves of the horse. The dancer brandishes either a sword or a whip. This folk dance needs much training and skill. This dance is accompanied by Naiyandi melam or Band music. This is connected to the worship of Iyyanar, prevails manily around Thanjavur
So, the music and dance played an important role in the life of dravidans of india.
Dear Chandrasekar,
Welcome to this blog. MANAM IRUNTHAAL MARGAM UNDU. If there is will there is a WAY. Ok. I have not so far explored the language Telungu. It is a beautiful language. Somehow sanskrit has entered in to their culture to ruin the original root words telungu. I am surprised and shocked at the same time also. So, we are not having the original words in telungu even though they are in the graveyard now. They should make them all wake up from the graveyard.
In the same manner all kannadga as well as malayalam words should also get up from their graveyard. It is so easy to make them ALIVE. Its upto u. Since we have total 247 letters in tamizh it is not difficult for us to pronounce any word of telungu, kannada or malayalam. Just because most of the words of sanskrit the short hand form of tamizh language are mixed in all the languages it is not a tough job to prounounce them. If we explore each word we can realise they are all tamizh words. Our south indian languages are different with a merely a letter and the pronounciation is different. The style is different. It is evidant from the facts that tamizhians had contact with so many countries in the ancient time because of trade promotion. So, we should appreciate their efforts to make it possible to have connection with people from unknown countries. We dont have the historical video about their communication skills.
ok. Now, telungu is a very very sweet language and the people are also artistic. I have appreicated Late DEVIKA (Kanaka’s mother), SAVITHRI, BHANUMATHI, SAWKAAR JANAKI, BHANUPRIYA and so many actresses in tamizh cinema who are all very very talented actresses. They are all very good dancers also.
About kannadiga actresses, SAROJA DEVI, (kannadathhu paingili), AISHWARYA RAI (Tulu), KAUSHALYA , SHILPA SHETTY(tulu), ISHA GOPIKAAR (mangalorean konkani) and many more actresses in tamizh cinema. Also DEEPIKA PADUKONE in hindi films. I have watched Saroja Devi talking in kannada and it was fantastic to hear the tone and expression. She is a great actress.
About Malayalam actresses, K.R.VIJAYA, (LALITA,PADMINI, RAGINI) the three sisters, the dancing queens), REVATHI, NADIYA, RADHA, AMBIKA so many actresses contributed their efforts and talent to our tamizh language. We tamizhians always feel proud to make them all shine and we welcome the talent from all over this universe.
Even australian had acted in tamizh film. I dont know the history tamil cinema. I had the chance of watching the tele-serial an australian SULLIVAN’S family when i was young. The emotions all over the universe are same. In fact i should say all are very much obsessed with emotions. The history of an australian and their rich culture is very much emotional. We should respect the emotions of people not the colour.
Ok…English is a piractical language with a long history of plundering other tongues and making off with their words, then i think for a tamizhian it is not a tough job to absorb the vocabulary of TELUNGU language.
Thanks for making me use my brain to think about telungu language. We can create magic my learning all the south indian languages. Thanks a lot.
Dear readers,
The words which i have used like PIRATICAL OR PLUNDERING have the meaning “appreiciation” and cordial relationship” and exchange of words for trade and cultural promotion in ancient tamizhakam with other countries of this world. They do not have any other meaning..
Since tamizh had gone into other cultures it has the ability to get back those words by proununcing or adding
“sha”, “fa”, “gha”, “bha”, “jha” “zha” etc. mixing extra strong tone.
Hai,
Chandrashekar, Bangalore.
We can not argue with people that which language is first and oldest. Only one thing i observed is only telugu people can speak any other languages easily and fluently. Because Telugu is very critical language to pronounce. It may look similar to kannada and few wods with tamil. Tamilians and malayalis can not speak any other languages fluently because its language it self is addicted to the tongue with minimum folds. Speak Telugu and try to speak other languages it will be very easy. I tried as kannadiga.
Thanks,
Dear chandrasekar,
This blog is about which is the oldest language. In india, it is TAMIZH. We were trying to establish this fact. Thats all!!!!! It is still a mystery about the exact region of the aryans. I think they have the secret with them still now.
you are kannadiga, funny!!!!! :) thanks for making my brain active. i had knowledge about tamizh . :)
Actually i had changed my name from periyar bakthan to periyar mainthan because bakthan is a Sanskrit word according to a Sanskrit loving fool.i am repeating my words that Tamil is the only Language in India which does not have Sanskrit mix but all the other Indian languages are mixed with Sanskrit.Tamil is still maintaining its purity and will continue still the earth exist.Both Tamil and Sanskrit are having different roots.Before Sanskrit speaking Aryans came from central Asia Dravidianโs ruled India and their language is Tamil.Sanskrit loving Aryans Leave our country India.India belongs to Dravidian’s.QUIT INDIA MOVEMENT against Sanskrit loving Aryans.
Dear periyar mainthane,
Periyaar endrum Siriyaar endrum soluvadu ethanaal?
Periyaar oru kannadigavaai irundum tamizhukaaga seyda thondallava?
Izhivu thozhil seyyum anaivarum Siriyaar thaan. Niram oru kaaranamaai irukka koodaathu.
The colour does not decide about the deed but the action of an individual. Those who are doing good deeds are PERIYAAR (a high person) those who are doing bad deeds are all SIRIYAAR (a low person). Keep your sevai (service) for the humanity and let tamizh flourish forever.
ok….now let me talk to chandrasekhar the brother from karnataka.
Dont worry bakthi is a derived fro tamizh word ‘patroo’.All sanskrit words are derivative of Tamizh words
Dear abdul thambi,
Bakrid vaazhthukkal.
mikka nanri tamakkaiyae
Dear abdul thambi,
I think you were tamizhian in your previous birth and you were talking in ancient tamizh.
oothuvathi….oothu+patri……The aromatic stick which is used for poosai..(pooja)….. meaning ….blow the fire +catch. It relates to the prehistoric concept.
Thanks for accepting the antiquity of tamizhan and you do not care about the ethnicity of tamizhan. :) I am laughing here thambi.
but in reality you are not supporting dravidans but only brahmans, the reason i want to know, you hate us ..but “why”? need an answer. everything would be cleared if proper approach taken, why you blame me for everything?
About siddha medicine.
http://www.hinduonnet.com/folio/fo0010/00100200.htm
The last paragraph there is a word “naga pasa” it is “NAGA PASAI” (full form of tamizh) means SNAKE OINTMENT OR BALM. No verses would help the child bitten by the snake but applying the siddha balm only. Reality sometimes get twisted or moulded to create an illusion among people. So, dont be supersticious.
Dear all,
the highest waterfall in india, in KARNATAKA. Enjoy the music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU0CjwPVfrw
The video of TSUNAMI. Terror!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlPqL7IUT6M
Dear all,
very much INTERESTING site. I think it is under scrutiny.
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/indians.html
The site is for abdul thambi…it is having the information about Devaneya Pavanaar. I hope it is useful.
http://anbudanarul.blogspot.com/2005/07/ancient-tamil-society.html
เฎฎเฏเฎดเฎฟเฎเฎพเฎฏเฎฟเฎฑเฏ เฎเฎพ.เฎคเฏเฎตเฎจเฏเฎฏเฎชเฏ เฎชเฎพเฎตเฎพเฎฃเฎฐเฎฟเฎฉเฏ ‘เฎคเฎฟเฎฐเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏเฎฑเฎณเฏ เฎคเฎฎเฎฟเฎดเฏ เฎฎเฎฐเฎชเฏเฎฐเฏ’ ( 2000 ):
เฎเฎฐเฎฟเฎฏเฎฐเฏ เฎตเฎฐเฏเฎฎเฏเฎฉเฏ เฎเฎฏเฎฐเฏเฎฉเฏเฎฑเฏเฎฎเฏ เฎชเฎพเฎฐเฏเฎชเฏเฎชเฎพเฎฐเฏเฎฉเฏเฎฑเฏเฎฎเฏ เฎเฏเฎฒเฏเฎฒเฎชเฏเฎชเฎเฏเฎ
เฎเฎฐเฏเฎตเฎเฏเฎฏเฎจเฏเฎคเฎฃเฎฐเฏเฎฎเฏ เฎคเฎฎเฎฟเฎดเฎฐเฏ. เฎ เฎตเฎฐเฏเฎณเฏ เฎฎเฏเฎฉเฏเฎฉเฎตเฎฐเฏ เฎคเฏเฎฑเฎตเฎฟเฎฏเฎฐเฏ; เฎชเฎฟเฎฉเฏเฎฉเฎตเฎฐเฏ เฎเฎเฎฟเฎฐเฎฟเฎฏเฎฐเฏ, เฎชเฏเฎฒเฎตเฎฐเฏ, เฎชเฎฃเฏเฎเฎพเฎฐเฎฎเฏ, เฎเฎตเฎเฏเฎเฎฐเฏ, เฎเฏเฎฐเฏเฎเฏเฎเฎณเฏ, เฎคเฎฟเฎฐเฏเฎเฏเฎเฎณเฏ, เฎจเฎฎเฏเฎชเฎฟเฎฏเฎฐเฏ, เฎชเฏเฎฑเฏเฎฑเฎฟเฎฏเฎฐเฏ เฎเฎฉเฎชเฏ เฎชเฎฒเฏเฎตเฏเฎฑเฏ เฎชเฏเฎฏเฎฐเฏเฎชเฏเฎฑเฏเฎฑ เฎเฎฒเฏเฎฒเฎฑเฎคเฏเฎคเฎพเฎฐเฏ
thanks a lot..now a days quiet busy with professional life,so could nt spent time 4r tamizh..happy with ur contribution
mikka nandri thambi. There was a mistake thinking about you above 40 years old. I am sorry.
I am just 25 only
Got it……understood…..and stored in the brain FOREVER. Thanks.
when you are ABDUL you dont look like 25 years old, so there was a misunderstanding :) your usage of english language becomes the most articulate one so, i was calling you AYYA :)
you are just 25 only but full of anger, it will close your eyes. You should pull away the root of each and every problem you are facing in the society. But, it will take lot of time. We are not the creators of all the customs. you know it. only the criminals should be punished not all.
Dear all,
KATHIR KAMAN the name of murgan in sri lanka was worshipped with complete surrender and faith but what is the use?
Thousands were murdered and lost their home and property? Where is LORD MURUGAN helping them?
FAITH leads to progress but RELIGION create tension. Is God the omnipotent laughing?
Tamilians are really fool i will say because they are worshipping north indian god ram and krishna,telugu god perumal,kannada god ragavendra and Malayalis god iyappan.But people from other states and other part of india are not worshipping our Tamil god Murugan.Because of this foolish tamilians temples like tirupathi and sabarimala are becoming richer and richer.Because of this temples Andhra pradesh and kerala are making more revenues.I had never seen a malayali ,Hindi or Telugu people in Murugan temples.This has to be changed.Other state People should worship our Tamil god Murugan also otherwise we should stop worshiping their gods.But a religious Tamil person will never agree this fact.He will say you are a fool.Because of Religious belief Tamilians had became blind.
Dear Tamil,
WHO IS GOD? Only the five powerful sources like AIR, FIRE, LAND, WATER AND SKY are the one which are ruling us. Can any one stop ferocious hurricane? Can any one stop forest fire? can any one stop earth quake? can any one stop the ever powerful nature of tsunami? and can any one stop the sky from showering the most powerful heat or non-stop rain? DO WE HAVE CAPACITY TO STOP THEM? NO…..NEVER……….
Historic temples in gujarat went deep into the core of this earth many years before. The palace of Krishna had gone deep into the ocean, the whole area of DWARAKA is sleeping in deepest ocean The pillars of the palace are still there. The KUMARI KANDAM is a lost continent and DHANUSH KODI also. Even then people have faitth. Its because from the beginning itself these five powers had been so important for people, they started worshipping because of fear and respect. It was there source of life also.
HUMAN BRAIN was in the beginning started worshipping without any selfish purposes. Later on for the sole aim to make it a profitable business, the crooked brain was thinking of exploiting the people. There is no need for God. But, people are very very supersticious about so many things like darkness, evil spirits, diesease and many other things like obtaining wealth and fame and name also. Thats where he FAILS.
Even if you have a doubt about something its enough for the person with evil mind. If you are sure about anything there is no problem at all. If he ask you to think and ask someone else for clarifying then the person who would go to clear the matter is finished FOREVER.
IF THERE IS FAITH THERE IS NO NEED FOR GOD.
IF THERE IS FAITH THERE IS NO GOD.
The athiest are also keeping this point but their explaining the matter is different and make the people with religious beliefs irritated. We do not see and no one ever had seen the exact FORM of God so, the athiest are saying why there is a need for an idol? He is OMNISCIENT. Indirectly they are saying this.
When we can not stop cancer, aids and so many uncurable ailments and when we can not stop the wrath of the nature why are we following a faith. The place so calm and peaceful is needed for all to get away from all the agonies. THIS VERY NEED OF THE HUMANS ARE EXPLOITED IN THE NAME OF RELIGION. if the religion is helping all people who are in need of food to survive and cover their body with cloth or for shleter then there is no problem. But make them dwell in the room full of darkness is a sin and we are celebrating all the sinners. This is what the REALITY.
GOD IS FORMLESS, JUST LOOK AT THE SKY HE IS NO WHERE. JUST LOOK AT THE NATURE. HE IS NO WHERE. BUT……BUT……HE ….OR….. IT IS “SOMEWHERE”.
As i said earlier darkness and fear makes God. Thats why the villagers worship “Krama thevathai”…(village Gods) the Gods who are protecting their villages
When i am sure about a Good power or Godly power exist i am also sure there is an evil power also exist….one can not even lift a bag or a box of 10 kgs would lift a bag or box of 100 kgs when he or she is haunted or possessed with evil spirit..i have seen this with my own eyes and this evil power do not like the presence of God. It would show its hatredness for divine power surround. We can not blame the villagers for having so many deities…different forms but for only one divine power.. They are surrounded by trees so huge that makes darkness and create shadows too. This subject of holy spirits and evil spirits is something different and deep understanding is the must.
Dear Tamil,
I appreicate your doubts of intellectual nature. Like humans are divided by the aryans, GODS of hinduism are also divided by them. They have options to choose…….very very funny!!!!!!! Hilarious earth!!!!!!
problems and poverty makes people follow a faith. We can not blame them…but they should give importance to their deeds than faith.
you are also blind because of anger and hatredness, all the tamizhians are not the same.
Written by Mahakavi Bharathiyar
เฎคเฏ เฎฎเฎคเฏเฎฐ เฎคเฎฎเฎฟเฎดเฏ-เฎเฎเฏ เฎเฎฒเฎเฎฎเฏ เฎเฎฒเฎพเฎฎเฏ เฎชเฎฐเฎตเฏเฎฎเฏ เฎตเฎเฏ เฎเฏเฎฏเฏเฎคเฎฒเฏ เฎตเฏเฎฃเฏเฎเฏเฎฎเฏ – เฎฎเฎเฎพ เฎเฎตเฎฟ เฎชเฎพเฎฐเฎคเฎฟเฎฏเฎพเฎฐเฏ.
“Thae Madhura Thamizh-Osai Ulaham ellaam paravum Vahai seydhal vaendum – Bharathi
Means,
The honey like sound of tamizh should be made to circulate in the whole world.
I am now thanking bharathiyar for respecting the language tamizh through his poems. While writing poems what kind of pressure he was facing from his people is still a mystery as it is a well known fact that they were protesting his support and respect for the tamizhians.
First of all, we should have list of ancient tamizh words and sanskrit words to point out the relation between them. Long before tamizh words had gone to sanskirt language not RECENTLY.
There is one Tamil Word in our ancient Tamil-Literature as… AKKAARAM… for Sugar or Shakkar, which can in no way be related with SHAKKAR or SARKKARAI…
OONJAL in tamizh for SWING….in hindi it is JHOOLA.
PADI in tamizh means study…..in hindi it is PADNA
DOORAM in tamizh means far away….in hindi DOOR
Some tamil words in world languages
Tamil – Mirial/milagu Sanskrit- Miricha
Tamil- muthu Sanskrit-muktha
Tamil-aelam Sanskrit-aelam
Tamil-aruvi, Sanskrit-ru/su, Latin-riv-as, English-river, Greek-ruyo
Tamil- alai , Armenian- Alik, Finnish- Allok, Arabic-alija
Tamil-avvai Latin-av-as, Hebrew-eve
Tamil-Aavi Greek-avo
Tamil-erumbu Latin-oiyus, English-iron German-eyarn
Saksan-iyaring, Spanish- eran, Armenian-yarkath
Tamil-eenu English-yean
Tamil- Aar, Latin- aro, Greek-Arogna Lithuvanian-aru
Tamil- Kaan, sanskrit-kna Latin-Know, English- canon, Greek- knony, German – ksun Kothik- kun-an
Tamil-Kone, Mangolean- Kaan Ostiyak- Kone
Tamil-Koll, russian-kolyu English-kill
Tamil-sudu,sudar, Persian- sud-an, Kurdish- soduge-an
Tamil-nei/neithal, sanskrit- na, Latin-neyo, Greek- nekna, Germanian- na-en
Tamil-pala,palgu, finnish-polyo Manchi- fulu, Greek- polu, German- filu, Latin-plus
Tamil-thogu,thogai Italian-thoogi
Tamil-thigiri hebrew-thigris
Tamil-Oorppurathi Hebrew- Youpratis
Tamil-ethen Hebrew- eden(garden)
Tamil-Yongodu Sumeria- yengidu
Tamil-kai, Hebrew-coin
Tamil-Aayar- Hebrew- Aabel(Aabraham)
Tamil-nadu,naduthal, Hebrew- Knaft(english also)
Tamil-suvar, Hebrew- Shoe
Tamil- Thirayar, Greek-Thiriyar
Tamil-akka, ukraniean-yakkan
Tamil-Annai, Finland- Anya
Tamil-Appa, Finland-appi Hangary- eppa
Tamil- Aaththal, Finland-aththa
Tamil-Aam, Laffish- Aam
Tamil-Kel Finland- kulan
Tamil- maram Laffish- mar
the abovegiven information and details by you tells that you were not only serious but also obsessed, crazy!!!!!! :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil-Brahmi
the oldest script that contains tamil characters…
recent archeology evidences in Indus valley civilizations & egypt ( refer wikipedia) discovered tamil brahmi scripts in the excavations… which means that tmail language existed before thousand s of years…
Sanksrit is an indo aryan language bascically of european & persian blend.
this language came along with Aryans when they invaded india.
Recently lot of tamil words is sanskrtised .. it doesnt means that tamil words have orginated from sanskrit…
It was in recent years lot of sanskrit words came into tamil words…
for more info… search in google… ” tamil brahmi script” or tamil language”
u ll get a clear view
Dear Hema,
Welcome to this blog. Thanks for the efforts you are taking to prove the fact that tamizh is the oldest living language in india. I would try my best to prove the fact also. The historians are digging the facts still that would make all feel wonder about the ancient history.
Where were you all these days? Anyways, thank a lot.
For knowledge please visit this website for some tamizh words in english language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Tamil_origin
aasai โ viruppam both are tamil words for (desire)
madhyanam โ is also a tamil word mathiya+ neram (noon)
sayandiram – is also a tamil word saayum andhi neram.(evening)
Sanskrit is a northern replica of tamizh.
Guys,
I hav a doubt…All languages and evrything in the world had evolved from through thousands of years…So too Tamil…
Tamil is 2500 years old…So,what % of old Tamil [the form that was used at the beginning] is present in the 21st century Tamil..???
So,i think it has changed a lot [evolved]…So,why are you saying the ancient thing and today’s thing are the same language..??They can be considered as diferent languages….no..?? [Just like khadi boli split into Hindi and Urdu].
Dear Asian,
The topic is about Which one is oldest language “Tamizh or Sanskrit”. We dont have to prove the fact that tamizh is the oldest one. But since people protested we had to gather informations to prove. Otherwise there is not problem at all. In the cities the way or the style of speaking of tamizh may change but in the deep south cities of tamizh nadu the same kind of language is spoken but with different style and tone and expressions. The ancient tamizh is still alive in the form of speech, stories, both folk and film songs, poetry, stories, drama, novels and for debate also.
In the cities also it is alive when actors on stage play the real life historical stories of old world charm. In schools and colleges also students use the ancient tamizh for competitions. So, even after getting influence from people from various countries tamizh is spoken by people. The root is still FRESH and STRONG. It is living not only in tamizh nadu but also in singapore, malaysia, sri lanka and africa, mauritious, china etc.etc.. It is not a language used for a particular ritual ceremony or for imposing doctrines. It is the language of the tamizh people of all man man caste. We are not selfish about keeping the language for ourself. It is for all. Thats why it is LIVING. Since ages, for promoting trade and culture it was used to communicate, thats why we came in to contact with different ancient countries.
Comparing tamizh which was spoken by whole mass of this country with a language which was spoken by brahmins only itself is a waste of time. BLESSING IN DISGUISE. I think because of my curiosity i came to this site accidently and i came to know a lot of matters unknown to me about tamizh. Though i have some memories fresh in my mind about tamizh culture and history i never expected that i could find fabulous historical background of tamizh and its association with other people of this world. I studied about VEERAMAMUNIVAR in my school several years before.
So, the topic of which one is oldest tamizh or sanskrit is explained
We share some ancient thoughts and concepts with other major relgions like christianity and islam, so whoever comes to spoil our relation so pure using the power in the center would be noted. No Ram mandir. Leave the humans alone and let them live a happy life here in tamizhnadu atleast. Kanyakumari is watching you all, she woke up already. Try to spread “peaceful atmosphere”. No more destruction of mosques and church and burning humans.
THE OLDEST LIVING DAM IN THE WORLD IN TAMIZH NADU (INDIA)
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Grand Anicut (Kallanai) is perhaps the oldest dam in the world, constructed by the Chola King Karikalan as early as in the 1st Century CE.
The Grand Anicut, also known as the [ta:เฎเฎฒเฏเฎฒเฎฃเฏ] Kallanai, is an ancient dam built on the Kaveri River in the state of Tamil Nadu in southern India.
Kallanai Built By Karikalan, A Chola King. (This image also shows 19th century additions to the ancient dam)It was built by the Chola king Karikalan around the 1st Century AD[1] and is considered one of the oldest water-diversion or water-regulator structures in the world, which is still in use.[2][3]
Dear all,
We tamizhians have welcomed all the cultures in our state.
CHRISTIAN SHRINE.
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Velankanni (Tamil:เฎตเฏเฎณเฎพเฎเฏเฎเฎฃเฏเฎฃเฎฟ), also spelled as Vailankanni or “Velanganni”, is a panchayat town in Nagapattinam district in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu. It is a small town located on the shores of the Bay of Bengal 350 km south of Chennai (Madras) and 12 km south of Nagapattinam on the Coromandel Coast, in Tamil Nadu, India.
Vailankanni church (Our Lady of Good Health) was built in the late 16th century CE with modifications by Portuguese and further expansions later on due to influx of pilgrimages.
MUSLIM SHRINE
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There is MOST popular muslim pilgrim centre in South India- Dargah of Hazrat SYED SHAHUL HAMEED QADIRI ( QADIRI ) QADIR WALI (RA).
THE DARGHA is located 78 km from Thanjavur. The tomb is almost MORE THAN 500 years old and is topped by a golden dome and flanked by 5 minarets. It is just 4 km to the north of Nagapattinam. Nagore (sometimes spelled Nagoor) is a town in the Nagapattinam District, Tamil Nadu, India.
Hazarath SYED SHAHUL HAMEED QADIRI ( QADIRI ) QADIR WALI (RA).This Famous Holy Saint was born in Manickkapur near Ayodhya in the northern Indian state of U.P. on a blessed Friday early morning in the Arabic month of 10th Jamathul Akhir Hijiri 910 (1491-A.D.)The Holy Saint was the 23rd lineal descendant of the Holy Prophet MOHAMMED (S.A.W the peace upon him). His father was HAZARATH SYED HASAN KHUDDOOS SAHIB and his mother BEEBI FATHIMA.
PARSI SHRINE (FIRE TEMPLE)
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The first Parsis arrived in Madras in 1795. To meet the needs of the community, the Madras Parsi Panchayat began collecting monthly contributions from members for a Mobed Fund from 1887; the fund was intended as much for maintaining a priest (mobed) as for eventually establishing a place of worship. A significant contribution towards this was made by Sir Dinshaw Petit of Bombay in 1896 and this enabled the purchase of a plot of land in Royapuram where the community had established itself. However, plans to build a temple in this plot were slow in taking off.
Dear all, there are so many shrines of all religions in tamizh nadu. We always respect them all.
Berenike, Egypt: The excavations of a Ptolemaic-Roman settlement at this ancient port on the Red Sea coast have yielded an inscribed amphora fragment. The inscription is in Tamil and written in the Tamil-Brahmi script, precisely dated by stratigraphy to 60-70 CE. The reading is ko(R)Ra-pumaan, the name of a chieftain . The pottery inscription bears evidence to the Western trade of the Tamils in the Sangam Age.
The period (BCE 60-100 CE)
The Roman historian Strabo (c. 1st century BCE) mentions the embassies sent by the Pandyas to the court of Augustus, along with a description of the ambassadors from Dramira. He also gives various details about the trading relationship between the Tamil kingdoms and Rome. Pliny the Elder (c. 77 CE) refers to many Tamil ports in his work The Natural History. The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea (c. 60โ100 CE) gives an elaborate description of the Tamil country and describes the riches of a ‘Pandian Kingdom’:
If u do not know anything do not write comments.
Read Wikipedia with patience.
If u do not know anything do not write comments.
Read Wikipedia with patience.Dont insult any languages.
no comment
stop being super thinker
my comment for you.
Kal thonri man thontra kalathay mun thonri mootha kudiโ- a second century literature- means when before stone became sand in earth the tamil tribes were formulated
The another name of sivan is SINTHAMANI means one who meditate.
The word “sinthanai” itself is a full form which was made with applying mental power by a tamizh writer in ancient time. Do not fool the innocent people of india the owners of sind land. One who could not pronounce the tamizh word in its pure form are claiming. Those aryans who really had been royal to the tamizh land had also done good poetry work. We have accepted them too. Do not forget this. The basic concept of indus valley civilisation is “meditation” and whoever is following are all humans. I dont know about others and their KARMAM (seyal) & OZHUKKAM (discipline). Those who use their brain know about them very well.
SINTHAMANI is a tamizh name given to Sivan but actually, the exact ancient tamizh meaning of this word is “the rain that never poured”…sintha+mazhai+neer…..never poured+rain+water….i never thought that i would one day explore this word “mani”….suddenly, i got the inner meaning of this word…i only had idea and meaning abt this word as “a precious stone”…..everything seems to me so Strange!!!!…..why am i here?
Dear,
Yojana is a word but in tamizh we have “yosanai”…. (“aalosanai” also)
chintha is a word but in tamizh we have “sinthanai” (sinthanai for sivan as he was meditating….sinthanai means meditating)
We also love all the languages their tone and expressions and their true nature. understood.
If the full of form of english is written in short hand form then it is for easy communication and for completing quickly the work and for easy translation. So, do not have the opinion that we have not the words you have written. Sanskrit scholars recently accepted the fact that they have borrowed or taken the words from tamizh. It is also written on net.
Soon after the very established civilisation tamizhian indeed was welcoming all culture …the only culture he welcomed wrongly was the culture of aryans…thats why we are suffering today. otherwise we are happy with all the good culture of this universe. The SOLE aim of the aryans was to give sufferings to the tamizhians since ages. It is a well known FACT.
No tamizhian is here humiliating any other language of this universe. Soon after forming words by uttering in the beginning the ancient tamizh people started writing so many literary works of world famous nature. so, try not to push this language to the corner as it was done before. Just because of your comment or my comment we are not going to gain or loose. Its about the antiquity of the tamizh language.
After all the whole india was once upon a time DRAVIDIAN land only. Because of aryan invasion only everything changed. No one is fool here. All are intelligent only. Some are very very CUNNING!!!!. The wrold shall come to know the truth. We tamizhians have accepted all the religions in our state. If you do not know the truth then find out. We are tolerant always. Those who do not tolerate others would only protest for selfish purposes. Continue exploiting….very good. God bless you!!!!!! I hope and am sure you are also an aryan.
just like “yokam” which has become “yoga”, “yosanai” has become “yojana”…yosanai has “aasanam” in it , the seat that gives again the meaning, the meditation under the tree banyan. Thalaiyanai means the “pillow”, so “yosanai” means “thinking” in tamizh.
Sanskrit is 100% older than any local language…
Tamil people are basically chauvinistic regionalists and believes evrything politicians tell them…Thats why they say such hilarious stupid things..Tamil oldest than sanskrit…Joke of the millenium!!!!
Think with common sense..All other dravidian languages are highly sanskritised..Kannada,Telugu and of course Malayalam comprise huge Sanskrit vocabulary…Tamil is only their neighbour..Then how can that alone be pure and resistant from sanskrit???Only fools will say Tamil is pure,oldest etc..Sanskrit is certainly the ONLY CLASSICAL LANGUAGE OF INDIA!!!!TAMIL GAINED IT THROUGH POLITICS…
English and all the languages of this world are LIVING still and they are also accepting their inspiration by appreicating other languages.
Why sanskrit is not living? why it is dependant still? It is a crime to enter into one’s home and rule them. Dont you have discipline?
Dear Anjaan(Stranger)
Dont act emotionally..better act wisely!
I would say that Sanskrit is Tamilized or Dravianised one RATHER THAN TO SAY Sanskritised.Sanskrit is the offshoot of Tamizh.First inhabitans of Indian homeland is Tamizh.Later part Ariyans entered and learned the language and culture from Dravidians and framed a local language Prakrit.Later prakrit with the influence of Tamizh and Iranian & European languages devised an artificial language Sanskrit which is never spoken and wold be ever spoken!Dont dump our foolish thoughts with little knowledge.Kindly read Primary classical languages of World BY Deva neya pavanar and works of Prof Hart and G U Pope and Alexander respectively.Tamizh is not only spoken in Indian Sub continent ,it has crossed the borders beyond land and ocean and it was spoken in Madagascar,Maldives,Srilanka,Singapore ,Mauritius,sINGAPORE AND parts of South Africa and Indonesia.Een our Tamizh tradition stands a testimonial to prove its ancient nature.Apart from this among 1lakh inscription from Indian ,about 55000 belongs to Tamizh expresses its literary richness.Most of sanskrit words are borrowed from tamizh.
Dear abdul thambi,
We always give respect to the emotions of all the people. Those do not want to give respect to our emotions would never think of respecting in future also. If they think that we non-brahmins are untouchables of the westerners and the europeans then we have the right to ask them the question why do they perfom puja for krishna and sivan and sai baba (a muslim or a hindu????) and mint money. They should only make a temple for a brahmin god only. I dont want to explain.
nothing to say.
do u hav any knowledge of language or u r jus blabbering as any uneducated road side guy at the coffee shop ??
read the history.. dont simply say. if oter languages r older. y didn they hav such history and literature as tamil ??
y didn gt 2 b choosen as classical language of d world ??
use a little bit of brain dude… if u hav
who is this “anonymous”?
dear anjan dont hav emotion.really u r wrong.learn wel about the history b4 giv any coments.k.well educated people never says like u.u read the history then undrstnd d reality.again i say dont hav emotion then only ur mind can accept d reality.
yes the sentinels of andaman would come to tamizhnadu one day and mix their language and tell that their language is the oldest one. its about the domination and discipline and also the cunning nature. i never thought that i would come to know about the world full of hearts so cunning. i am getting lesson without paying fees.
Sanskrit is 100% older than any local language…
Tamil people are basically chauvinistic regionalists and believes evrything politicians tell them…Thats why they say such hilarious stupid things..Tamil oldest than sanskrit…Joke of the millenium!!!!
In fact Tamil may also have taken it’s full shape from sanskrit and prakrit..For example,they use lot of sanskrit words in Tamil films and all…Even words that they think is pure Tamil came from Prakrit ..Eg–Yojane [thinking] etc…
Think with common sense..All other dravidian languages are highly sanskritised..Kannada,Telugu and of course Malayalam comprise huge Sanskrit vocabulary…Tamil is only their neighbour..Then how can that alone be pure and resistant from sanskrit???Only fools will say Tamil is pure,oldest etc..Sanskrit is certainly the ONLY CLASSICAL LANGUAGE OF INDIA!!!!TAMIL GAINED IT THROUGH POLITICS…
People like you in india are TRAITORS to the peaceful atmosphere.
bro… read n gain sum knowledge b4 u blabber in here..
in tamil v say sontha budthi irukannum ille na sol budthi ya vathu irukkanum.. hope my fellow countrymen wud hav unstood it..
either use ur knowledge if u hav n speak here.. or if u dnt hav any.. try 2 listen oters ideas…n start 2 blabber..
dn try 2 b fool by actin 2 smart w/o any knowledge of literature and history of any language..
entering into someone’s home and try to or forcibly write on the tongues of the people the artificial and most of all the selfish language sanskrit is a CRIME. Whoever trying still now ..can not be called as humans. Whoever trying hard to murder “tamizh” shall go deep into the “core” of this earth and would never come back. If ever tamizh would also go away from this earth then we would take away all of you with us too….Sacrifice for eternal bliss!!!!!
Its not that tamil is derived from sanskrit.. sanskrit is NOT a peopleโs language.. but language of learned. its the prakrutham which is the spoken language, and which formed the base for sanskrit..
We need to understand the fact that the evolution of grammar is NOT confined to any single language.. In my opinion, there were schools of grammer on those days, and the grammatical concepts were imbibed and customised by many different languages, including tamil..
Tamil might have its independant origin.. but as human civilization progressed, it imbibed so many words from prakrutham..
Even the word yojanai is a prakrutha word.. the tamil equivalent for chintha is โEnnamโ..
To all Tamil fanatics,
The above stated comment is not mine..It is a comment written by a Tamilian itself inanother site..I have copy pasted it here…Tamil,like all other languages in this universe has accepted things from outside…Dont fool urself by believing that Tamil is godly and it has no external influences etc etc..Tamil and sanskrit are not islands…everything has exerted influences on each other from time to time..Be open to accept others.Stop this blind chauvinism like everything in the universe started or originated in tamil etc etc…What do u think?????Tamil is certainly graet,but dont think that others are fools…Nothing has 100% independentor pure existence or origins..Stop being clowns in front of others
These people donโt have any knowledge about history. Anyhow everyone knows which language is older. There is lot of proofs. If they need they can check in internet.
Tamil is older than all languages in India.
Dear amaran and all,
thank you for your comments
Tamizh is a great ocean and Sanskrit is merely a drop of it….it is jumping so childishly and it has to fall down again on this huge ocean for everything. Empty vessel always makes noise..like you do….we were silent all these years passed…but we had to write and explore because we could not tolearate the injustice shown towards us…we are otherwise very much calm and composed..those who are humiliating his mother shall learn some day the “great truth”…
gr8…Sanskrit is much older than Tamil..You have borrowed terms from Sanskrit and now claiming it’s rights…What about the other large number of Sanskrit words you use in Tamil films and all…I dont have time to state everything…
Just because some one used it in some old Tamil verse,wont make it Tamil word..You say such claims only because you are chauvinistic and closed minded to accept the greatness of other languages in the world..Tamil poets are said to have travelled himalayas,learned sanskrit texts and later translated into ur language..dats all..They have mixed sanskrit words also into it…dats it
One who copy in the examination hall would never accept the fact. He should be caught red handed. would the aryans with their atrocities no wonder accept it?
Tamizh in its full form and structure can never be cheated by nature.
HARD WORK means Dravidans and EASY WORK means aryans. TAMIL means HARD WORK Sanskrit means EASY WORK. The explanation is OVER.
Innocent and friendly and thoughtless tamizhians do not know the exact cunningness of a brahman who comes with sanskrit words to be pushed into the tamizh lyrics only to mix the poison and kill it gradually. What you have done is sin so far. Would you people like to continue? Just becos your sanskrit is dead, you people want to murder the mother who gave you shelter and comfort. What kind of mentality you people possess? Are you not still satisfied? Stop crossing the border. Enough is enough!!!!!
there are so many languages in india for you to destroy….why TAMIZH only?????
no you are a maduraite, from the capital of pandiyan king, you should not humiliate our mother tamizh, you get that. she is watching you closely, be careful!!!!1
Dear all,
In hindi the word ‘YAAR’ is used to call a friend and it is in tamizh.
the following words In tamizh and meaning
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evar or yaar – who (with respect neutral gender .. can be used for both genders)
– this can be only used for only higher forms of life .. humans and gods
evan – who (withour respect – masculine gender .. higher forms)
eval – who (without respect – femininge gender .. higher forms of life)
edhu – who/which (neutral gender … lower forms of life – animals, other organism, machines)
Any thing other than humans/gods are represented only in the neutral gender. Male/Femal distinction is not applied to other animals, organism, equipments, etc. This is a big difference between Tamil and Hindi.
I can give lots of similarities between tamizh and hindi. I dont have time now. see you all.
QUSEIR-AL-QADIM, EGYPT, February 20, 2008: A broken storage jar with inscriptions in an ancient form of Tamil script, dated to the first century BCE., has been excavated in Egypt.
Dr. Roberta Tomber, a pottery specialist at the British Museum, London, identified the fragmentary vessel as a storage jar made in India. Iravatham Mahadevan, a specialist in Tamil epigraphy, has confirmed that the inscription on the jar is in Tamil written in the Tamil Brahmi script of about the first century.
Earlier excavations at this site about 30 years ago yielded two pottery inscriptions in Tamil Brahmi from the same era. Additionally, a pottery inscription was found in 1995 at Berenike, a Roman settlement of the Red Sea coast of Egypt. These discoveries proved material evidence to corroborate the literary accounts by classical Western authors and the Tamil Sangam poets about the flourishing trade between the India and Rome, via the Red Sea ports, in the early centuries CE.
Dear all,
I would go away from this place after some days…i can not say now exactly when…..anytime……Everything goes to sand but the truth shall never go to the sand. It is like the AIR. It would be wandering on this earth without end. It is IMMORTAL. Truth is also in need of PEACE.
Dear all,
Whatever be the religion it should first of all have “HEART”. Then only people would like to adopt. So far, i have found Christianity means “charity” work as well as “meditation”. Sikhism means feeding all the devotees with food and water. Islam means “meditation”. These religions do not cheat the people. But, in hinduism the sole aim is to cheat the people for money. Where is the place for meditation after all?
My telungu friend tells me if she goes to tirupathi the balaji temple then the temple priest and his people make them move fast they tell “ZARUGANDI, ZARUGANDI” means …move…. move. What kind of solace and peace of mind the people would get in that atmosphere? When we have God and Satan in our heart…we also need a place to sit and relax away from all the commotion of this world. Where there is no straightforwardness and kindness what would you get in return even though you keep faith in Almighty?
Just sit and think about a power that has no form. I have been trying to get the glimpse…but it showed me only the shadow of siva (suddenly it was there and gone) or saibaba (with milk can on his shoulder…i dunno why?) or mother teresa (with smiling face). It does not show its real FORM. It wants to tell us that PURITY should be in the place of worship and complete “surrender” and service to humanity is necessary.
nothing to say.
About the word ‘BHAKTI” the root word is in tamizh.
This word has been very much in usage.
It is Bhaththi for bhakti and the Bhaththtar for the Bhakta.
In Thiru-chanda Viruththam (79)
the last line goes thus:
“bhaththaraamavarkkalaathu muththi muttral aagumo’
The alwar by directly relating the bhaktha to mukhthi,
reveals clearly that “Bhaththan” is the Bhakthan.
So saying that bhakti is a sanskrit word is a “rumour”. Come for discussion and debate. Just by adding the sound ‘BHA”, “SHA” or “FA” or “GHA” wont make you claim the fame.
“patha vai” in tamizh means “just make it catch fire”…so, “pathi” in tamizh means the match stick or the aromatic stick (oothupathi)…so from “pathhi” only you have formed the word “bhakti”. …PATHHI the tamizh word indirectly used for devotion as “bhakti”…why should we change our tongue???? by the way, they have made it!!!! ..we are in need to go to the root of everything.
Dear nagendra,
thanks for clearing my doubts. I also belive that there is one supreme power which the aryans do not want to disclose and keep the people in darkness and grab the money from them. Good business!!!!!
Their efforts are great and still continuing and they are serving the “ever-lasting divine power” in a genuine manner. After all foolish people would always be foolish people. When God has created the foolish people he also created the cunning people also to test them all. I suppose He is very much satisfied about his creations.
Even in the temple of chidambaram(tamizh nadu), the priest lead all the devotees to a dark room to show vilvaa leaves and charge them also. Good Looting!!!!!!! Great robbery!!!!!!!
I must appreciate them all.
@ periya bhakthan
just shut up u fool!! Tamil is greatly mixed with sanskrit just like Malayalam,kananda and Telugu.It can be easily understood just by watching Tamil films and listening to songs..So many Sanskrit words you use..You dont hav any right to speak against Sanskrit..Sanskrit is the one and only clasical langugae of India..
Ironocally,your name,is also Sanskrit..undertstand???”periya” is Tamil,but “bhakthan”,Bhakthi” etc are pure Sanskrit words which are present in all other Indian languages..
Dear Indian,
Just because one has added a sanskrit word u can not say that sanskrit is still alive. If it dominates completely the literary work of tamizh or if a lyricist is adding sanskrit to a song e for communication then only you can say that sanskrit is alive.
In india number of films are made in tamizh, where are sanskrit films?
If you can understand tamizh then it is well and good, it will only improve your knowledge. Because of aryanisation sanskrit words have taken place in tamizh. If i use hindi words while talking it is because i had the habit of talking in hindi in north india and the influence would be there. I can only with efforts remove them.
Sanskrit and the its creators had been entering into our culture very silently with cunning motives. They can not survive for long. One who has wrong motives to exploit the people would face the wrath of the OMNIPOTENT.
Your efforts to defame the language tamizh would get suitable answer by nature.
Be loyal to land and the water. Very very smart and super thinker.
About VEERAMAMUNIVAR.
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Constanzo Beschi, also known under his Tamil name of Vฤซramฤmunivar (Tamil: เฎตเฏเฎฐเฎฎเฎพเฎฎเฏเฎฉเฎฟเฎตเฎฐเฏ) or Constantine Joseph Beschi (in English) (8 November 1680 โ 4 February 1747) was an Italian Jesuit priest, Missionary in South India, and renowned poet in the Tamil language.
Even though he was primarily a missionary, he is also known, in a broader circle, as one of the classical writers of Tamil literature. Besides composing a literary Tamil grammar, he also wrote a grammar for the common use of Tamil – the first to do so – which earned him the title of Father of Tamil prose. He compiled several Tamil dictionaries: including the Chaturakarati (เฎเฎคเฏเฎฐเฎเฎฐเฎพเฎคเฎฟ), the quadruple lexicon containing words, synonyms, categories of words, and rhymes; a TAMIL-LATIN and LATIN-TAMILl-PORTUGUESE dictionary.
His greatest poetical work is the Thembavani (เฎคเฏเฎฎเฏเฎชเฎพเฎตเฎฃเฎฟ) (the Unfading Garland), an extraordinary epic poem – 3615 stanzas long – on Salvation history and the life of Saint Joseph. It is considered a classic of Tamil literature. He also wrote a prabandham (one of the minor literature) called Kavalur Kalambagam (เฎเฎพเฎตเฎฒเฏเฎฐเฏ เฎเฎฒเฎฎเฏเฎชเฎเฎฎเฏ), a grammatical treatise called Thonnool (เฎคเฏเฎฉเฏเฎฉเฏเฎฒเฏ), a guide book for catechists with the title Vedhiyar Ozukkam (เฎตเฏเฎคเฎฟเฎฏเฎฐเฏ เฎเฎดเฏเฎเฏเฎเฎฎเฏ), and Paramarthaguruvin kathai (เฎชเฎฐเฎฎเฎพเฎฐเฏเฎคเฏเฎค เฎเฏเฎฐเฏเฎตเฎฟเฎฉเฏ เฎเฎคเฏ), a satirical piece on a naive religious teacher and his equally obtuse disciples. In prose he left us polemical writings against the Lutheran missionaries and didactic religious books for the instruction of Catholics. He prepared a vademecum for newly arrived missionaries.
Local traditions abound of stories of Beschi challenging Hindu ascetics and winning debates over them. Yet his Thembavani is proof that he had a positive approach to Hinduism, as he often uses phrases, ideas and myths characteristic of Hinduism. The same spirit of dialogue and admiration for the Tamil culture led him to translate and explain in Latin the famous Thirukkural epic poem of Thiruvalluvar (1730). This Latin work was an eye opener for European intellectuals, discovering truth and beauty in a Tamil literature. They also found it to contain many thoughts similar to ChristianityBeschi was no doubt one of the best known Jesuits of the 18th century in Tamil Nadu.
In 1968 the State of Tamil Nadu erected a statue for Beschi on the Marina beach in the City of Madras (Chennai), as a recognition for his contribution to the Tamil language and literature
Dear all, so, the connection between latin and the connection of latin to english is evidant. So, tamizh has been the inspiration for so many people earlier but details not known to people today.
Dear all,
When humans were created, there was only a SIGN language. Everyone had been uttering a letter or a word but…… was
there a history of literary work full of completed forms full of hard work applying the brain and mind power?
To create a word today is easy….for example take this word “FANTASTIC” if it is a newly created word for us then we should appreciate the creator of this word. If suppose it has the root word somewhere then also we should appreicate it. If we do not give respect to the hardships of the person who created the root word then there wont be justice in this world.
English is a language today with so many newly created words. But what about the old english…..it borrwed the words from Latin, German, Greek and from the plains of India. Nowhere it is mentioned that tamizh has been providing the root words. So, we should find out what is the problem after all? So, to exploit the whole world by mixing or making sanskrit as the universal language, the efforts of aryans could not be established. Their efforts for spreading their “HINDUSIM” could not be a success. Somewhere, someone using his brain created “CHRISTIANITY”. Before that because of protest against aryans “BUDDISM” and ‘JAINISM” bloomed.
All is well that ends well.
Dear all,
How are you all? Great to be with you all today after so many days. I had been visiting some herbal natural falls down south. I had been to nagarkoil, via madurai came to chennai. I could not visit the great architecture Meenakshi temple in madurai second time. Ok.
When we think everything is over, someone protest. The fact is that the root words are in TAMIZH for most of the languages of this world, but the fact was not shown to the world. It shows how much of domination so effective was there by the aryans. They were so energetic to spread their sanskrit. Their ultimate aim was to rule this world by pushing sanskrit everywhere.
OK. now it shows clearly that tamizhian was doing his duty and minding his life. He was not claiming anywhere that he had the root words. Only when the topic comes he open his eyes….hehehe…..tamizhian and all the south indians (dravidians) were not aware that they would one day be tortured and dominated by the aryans. I think tamizh has the deepest root still on the earth, they could not dominate this language. In south india, there are only four states. But, in other parts of india there are so many states like UP, BIHAR, PUNJAB, GUJARAT, KASHMIR, RAJASTHAN, MP etc….just take these northern states only……leave east and west india.
why sanskrit could not survive?
Why sanskrit could not be the mother tongue of all these north indians?
Why it could not dominate as a unique language?
What is the reason behind its “Death”?
Why the north indians created different style, expression and language?
Is it true that sanskrit words are still used because of their atrocities and pressure in south india except tamizh nadu though it has given space for some words?
Why did the south indians allow the sanskrit? What kind of problems they had been facing?
The entire population of northeren india is higher than the population of south india, then why the north indians could not kept the language sanskrit as their mother tongue?
Was there protest and anger against this language sanskrit?
When sanskrit was created getting inspiration from tamizh was it the mother tongue of “brahmins” only? What was the language of people other than brahmins in india?
A language which was created by the tribes from central asia could feel proud then why the root language TAMIZH is silent….it was made to be silent. It could not tolerate the cruelty of the creators of the language sanskrit.
If you remove “m” from “Inbam” and make a word “Inba” to suit you…..the efforts and hardships for making a word like “Inbam” is not shown. VERY VERY GOOD!!!! FANTASTIC!!!!! Are they ready for a debate as abdul thambi wanted?
Dear Miss M,
Hope u enjoying the Kutralam Aruvi near by my Home town.Thanks for quoting my name .Hope none of sanskritistwould be ready for debate because they are abstained by the fear of failure!
Dear abdul thambi (little brother)
Yes, i had great time taking bath full of herbs. I had been to kutraalam so many times, so this time THIRUPARUPPU FALLS near kanyakumari. I had been to AGATHIYAR FALLS two times too. I had great time with my hubby and son and my in-laws. While coming through madurai in car with hubby i could see the streets of madurai city worse. Why dont you people make the municipal officials to make the roads even. The city has ancient charm and glory. You people should do something to protect the city’s atmosphere. Madurai is a crowded city. I heard this city NEVER SLEEPS. 24 hours working even at night……at night also all the hotels are serving food…my goodness!!!!!
I think from neighbouring villages people come to this city for all goods, clothes and work, so the city is always brisky. ok…now its time for me to watch tv and know what the world is doing? President Obama is not visiting tamizh nadu…i am sad. He should know the culture of south india also.
ok. now tip of today is keralites are eating coconuts and put them in all dishes and drink lots and lots of coconut water to enhance the skin texture. One of the secrets why they are fair and beautiful. So start using coconut oil in soups and dishes to improve the skin tone. Also find out their usage of dry fruits like cashewnuts, cardamom in food improve the skin tone. Worship coconut tree from today onwards.
i used to go to kutraalam with my father several times. I remember the sweet dish “thirunelveli halwa”(wheat halwa) which my father used to buy for me near junction..today the quality is not good….anyways, i love my father a lot and he was worried about me before dying…he asked me how much salary am getting,,,he is still living with me….tears..surprisingly we the family, my mother, my sister and my brother were near him…i saw him die…he was my inspiration…i want him back.
kutraalam aruvi ( herbal water falls) is near my native town tirunelveli not near madurai….Suruli falls is near your town….the name of sivan is also “suruliananthan” here in this name also he is representing water….he is also “sureswaran”…i will explore this “su” some other day. “sukumaran” and “sukumari” and “sukanya” are also in my list…. She is sukanya not suganya…madurai’s proununciation differs….just like tirunelveli’s
Yes i heard the herbal falls is good for mental and retards, so book the ticket at once and have a bath. Thanks for making me understand the world. i found that mad people always makes others the mad people, they want help.
Dear Friends,
I am surprised to see this debate on the oldest language in India / world.
What is the point in debating when you knew the beauty of your language (or anything)?
Ok. It is seen that Tamil is 2500 years old. Accepted!!!
Today’s any language is not as same as the language what used to be communicated (verbally / written) by our ancients. The scripts changed and the vocabularies modified/ updated as time flies.
How many of you guys can read and understand “Shuddh Tamil”?
How many of you guys can read the old scriptures.
Every language has been going through with lot of modifications timely. It is so evident that these changes/modifications would continue over the generations.
If any one of you gets a chance to come back to world after 1000 years (I know itโs not possible. But you guys can imagine it), you would witness the changes happen in cultures, languages, geography, etc. and a lot. It will not be the same as what you see / listen today.
Well โฆ.coming to the point of proving the greatness of languages….
No one have the right criticize any language until they learn it thoroughly. Every language has its own realm of literature. It is our foolishness to comment on something with a very minimal knowledge.
You guys go to your neighbor and say your parents are higher than his/her parents, and try getting his admiration; do you think he would admit it? No wayโฆ. as you knew the value of your parents, in similar way he/she knows about his/her parents.
It is that, you need to admit the importance/value of something you have, not the others.
Why would you like to get the admiration for Tamil Language, When you knew its value, what is the point of the others opinion. What do you expect form the world?
There are many cultures, many religions and of course many languages in the world, all these are made for our elevation to higher knowledge to understand the universal laws.
What are we achieving by fighting for the greatness of our languages, religions, cultures? In no way this helps us create harmony in the universe.
Accept everything is as divine grace. Whatever is there in the universe, is created by higher force with is transcendental.
I believe in the force which is far beyond our understanding, there is a universal mind/force which is in charge of everything.
Then why having partiality, look at the things with broad sense. Appreciate everything which is positive, all are made for our benefit.
Stop fighting & and especially stop trying to gain importance. Those have a true importance; will have its importance forever.
After all, we are all one in the universe. The ultimate common thing among all of us is we are standing on the same earth and under the same sky.
All is well in the world
It is not “suth Tamizh “,the exact Tamizh word for pure Tamizh is Thooya Tamizh…
very good!!!!
we also say “Thooya Maatha” in tamizh
“Chaste Mother” in english.
So, the ancient tamizhan was worshiping water and it was a young girl for him.
Sometimes i have doubt why sivan is famous…. why parvati or wife of sivan is not so famous. What was her contribution for us all?
I also found in urdu the name “MEHERUNN”ISSA” (umm-issa) “k “uma” eesa…..so who was this parvati? Was she “WATER GODDESS”?
I also have some opinion about “EVE” in tamizh we say for female gender “AVAL”….christians when they write “EVE” in tamizh “EVAAL”.
What about “ADAM”?
see you all
Good to see that, at least you could relate all the religions in one concept. i.e, Tamil. Good god. religion conflict is shunned.
Well I must appreciate your research on finding these details, I guess this is your all time favorite to collect information.
And coming to Sivan & Parvathi, they are not separate. There is only one “Supreme Power”
Whether u call it Siva or Parvathi. Its up to u.
In Hinduism, each individual has given enough freedom to understand our puranas and devote to their ultimate god.
So its your choice to deal with whom.
NOOR-“UNNISSA” is another muslim name…here also you have “um-isa…uma-eesan, kuma-eesan.. and ZABARUNNISSA….”zabar” is “sabar”eeswaran” the name of sivan in tamizh. I dont want to explore the connection between Suleiman and Sooliamman now…i need clarifications.
“uma” the water and “eesan” the fire both are dependant on each other…without them it would be difficult for us to survive….this little girl uma so naughtiest was all these years hiding mysteriously….i found her atlast…she the most naughtiest!!!!! and ferocious sometimes too :(
NOOR-UNNISSA, Neruppu in tamizh is fire, so am sure the urdu word “noor” had been formed from the word “neruppu”. “NOOR” is a shortened word of “neruppu” It also give us the meaning “the light” or the “brightness”. Fire in tamizh has so many names akkini, neruppu, thee, chuvaalai, chothi etc.
suddenly you are philosophical, you should have stopped everything
dear tamilians
dont dump our tamil language, you know world and old first language is tamil, you know india first language was tamil, it not begging language like kannada kannada langauge derived from sanskirt,kungunni,thulu,script was telgu, )
tamila your history was great admirable,
priase tamil and your tamil world
be tamilian died as tamilian
Dear mani,
In tamizh we say for an individial “MANITHAN”.
In english “MAN”…..this word has the root word in tamizh i suppose.
In tamizh we say “MADAM” piditha yaanai (an elephant with strange behaviour)
In english we say “MAD” for a person with split personality with hysteria. So in think this word had been formed getting inspiration from “MADAM”.
HI
nee mutham ondru koduthaal mut tamil
nee vetkapattu sirithaal sen tamil
nee paesiya vaarthaigal paiyn tamil
o..oho…o..oho…o.ohoho.ho…..
nee mutham ondru koduthaal mu tamil
nee vetkapattu sirithaal sen tamil
nee paesiya vaarthaigal paiyn tamil
o..oho…o..oho…o.ohoho.ho…..
sengaandhal idhazh enbadhil naan kandaen nee yen tamil
mingaandha paechil mothamaai naan kaettaen isai taamil
nee konjam naadaga tamil
nee konjam manmadha tamil
un thamizh en tamil
t a m i l thamizh thamizh tamilโฆ.
un otrai vizhi paarvaiyil naan katru kondaen tamil
un katrai oli punnagai adhil otrikkondaen tamil
un vayasin kutham tamil
un azhagin motham tamil
nee thamizh naan tamil
t a m i l thamizh thamizh tamilโฆ.
Dear tamil,
Its not tamil but TAMIZH. Thanks for making me sing. I want to die while singing…..hihi
i did not know that it was you only tamil thambi.
French people living in pondicherry have learned Tamil and speaking Tamil.but north Indians who are coming to tamilnadu instead of learning Tamil are complaining that there is no Hindi in tamilnadu.Because there is no Hindi north Indians are saying that Tamil peoples are conservative.Tamil language is 2500 years old than Hindi which IS only 1000 years old.A foreigner will accept Tamil language value but not the north Indians.Every human being will respect the elders, same way Tamil should be respected by other languages.
Dear periyar bhagtan,
In pondicherry, the tamizhians who learnt french are grateful to the language. But whoever is learning tamizh never utter a word of praise . Sad indeed!!!
In pondicherry, the french people made the city with streets of evenness and after heavy rainfall there wont be a drop of water on the street. No trace of rain water.But this is not the case in chennai or any other city of tamizh nadu i suppose. I think the same case in other states of india also. So try to learn the technology and secrets from french people and implement the art at the earliest for our state.
Make the tamizhians expert in french and grab the knowledge from them and be thankful to them also…….hihihihi
even after knowing so many languages the brahmin poet Bharathiyar was a phenomenon and his expressions through poem was the language Tamizh. He is still a wonderful person. He learnt tamizh so well and we could understand his passion in his poems. So, it shows that knowledge leads to exploration of this whole world. We should know a language which is widely spoken just for our safety, so that we could hear what they talk, what they plan and what is their intention and so on….those who forget their mother tongue and humiliate and make her vanish away from this earth should be asked questions. As far as mother tongue tamizh is concerned am still emotional even though i am thankful to other languages which helped me to survive during times of misery. DEDICATION, PASSION AND LOVE for TAMIZH would lead us to face glorious future and would ultimately make it survive also…She is innocent and divine and lovable daughter of her creator.
Those who insist to speak in your on homeland …please kick them in their ass.
Brahvi is the world’s oldest language, used in Pakistan, Iran, and they have the best culture, and dress, it has no, specific grammar,and very difficulte for a person to understand it easily.
Tamil is the only Language in India which does not have Sanskrit mix but all the other Indian languages are mixed with Sanskrit.Tamil is still maintaining its purity and will continue still the earth exist.Both Tamil and Sanskrit are having different roots.Before Sanskrit speaking Aryans came from central Asia Dravidian’s ruled India and their language is Tamil.
A person used to communicate with other person using language.If a language is used for only performing puja how can one say it as a language.if a language like Sanskrit is not used for communicating with others it is called as Dead language.So the oldest language is one which is survived and still widely spoken.if you compare the ages of other Indian languages Tamil comes next after Sanskrit.so Tamil is the oldest language in India.
the source of knowledge is accepted to be vedas which were written in sanskrit so one should get a fair idea which is the oldest language in the world. It is of no consequence whether the language is spoken widely in the present times or not.
Dear all,
People like Rajinder & Mohit bharadwaj and too many are much influenced by the false propaganda of Sanskrit created by Indian Government.Northerners are the people with poor tolerance and they always want to anchor the influence over others.The root cause for this problem are as follows,
*our brothern(Kannadiga,Telugu & Malayalis) doesnt have tolerance to accept the fact that aforementioned language is an offshoot of Tamizh.All these languages have atleast 60% Tamizh words,20 % local words and 20% local words of that particular language.still they are happy to accept that their language is an derivative of Sanskrit and denying to accept that it is an ofshoot of Tamizh though they seek majority of Tamizh words.(For eg) Manai(K)- Manai(T),Veedu(M)-Veedu(T),ILLU(TELUGU)-Illam(Tamizh).Regional slang (Word) due to natural(geographical) and articificial barriers(Northerners influence) has evolved into distinct languages.Our dravidian brothern itself dening to accept the truth,how can u accept the fact that northerns can accept that Tamizh is the oldest self evolved language.
*Vedas and upanishads may be written in pali or prakrit not in sanskrit,there was no scripts have attested about sanskrit before Ramayana.Devanagari is an adopted form of roman scripts.Most of the sanskrit literatures including vedas have been written after 6th century AD.Just (H)Indian Govt is predating sanskrit literatures to 6th century BC.SANSKRIT is a corrupt form of Tamizh introduced by Ariyans to fool and get the influence of Kings.It was never spoken and it will be never spoken…..Sanskrit used to loot all the words from all language and proclaim it is the reservoir of vocabulary.Reality is that there were no root words to justify that it pertains to Sanskrit.Sanskrit has borrowed or looted enormous Tamizh words.Those words have real Tamizh roots and Tamizh has the only power to witness and justify that it belongs to itself.Northerners kindly read TAMIZH grammar & literature and come down for debate.Though are knowingly denying the true fact about Tamizh because it is challenging to all world languages.Northerners are people ,have ears but hear not with them,Hav EYES BUT SEE not with them,they have heart but not accept the true facts with them…
All Tamizhians dont get inferior urself, ur language has got international reputation and spoken overseas ..but dont stop urself to contribute to Tamizh language…!Vaazha Tamizh,Vaazha Tamizhagam…..
Dear rajinder,
Do not talk about veda period. I am getting irritated. Enough is enough. Never say….ONCE MORE!!!!!!
Sanskrit is the oldest language in the world as all vedas are written in this language.
As the oldest religion is hindu and they used this language to write puran, upanished.
Whoever had writen literary works with good concern and discipline are remembered. no partiality.
The tamizh brahmin poet Makakavi Supramaniya Parathiyar is one of the examples.. He is remembered for his huge moustache and humanity. I can never forget him because i used to sing his songs when i was young..my school days..there is no partiality. He was a gem of a person.
According to Thanthai Periyar if you remove Sanskrit words from Kannada,Telugu and Malayalam,all these languages will be more or less sounds same like Tamil.
Dear periyaar bhakthane,
nee engirunthu vanthaai? Nee ithanai naalaai engirunthaai?
From where you jumped suddenly? Where were all these days?
Dear Friends,
Many people are getting angry when we say that Tamil is the oldest language in India.They are ready to accept Sanskrit as the oldest language but not Tamil.why is this partiality?
The most ancient language is a Magyar (Hungaryan).
The most logical one and one of the heaviest, because are built in a binary system.
He was ahead of his age.
please talk about oldest language in India not in Europe.
who is ahead of his age?
Dear Dr.Gergo,
u make me curious. After all why do we have brain?
SAIVISM was the most ancient.
SAIVISM grew entirely by itself.
Historically the worship of siva is rooted in prehisotoric beliefs.
I think vinay and sathish both are same.
Dear Friends,
It hurts when some people are saying that all the languages including Tamil are derived from Sanskrit.Because Tamil and Sanskrit are having almost the same age.Tamil and Sanskrit are having different oldest civilizations in the world.Both are having different scripts.Because most of the people in India are religious,They are not able to accept Tamil as the oldest language like Sanskrit.
u seem to say that all the tamizhians are not worshipping. They have been worshipping still worshipping the fact is that no God comes down on earth to save them. Thats where the the point of “exploitation” comes. Do not forget the fact that dravidian culture was peaceful and people with good culture. Now, the time has changed. Merits and demerits in all the culture in this modern world.
Do not creat that all the tamizhians are sitting but not meditating. Those who spread the rumours should sit first of all to MEDITATE.
Dear Kaliyugam,
I am not against any religion.First of all there is no Dravidian or Aryans.it is created by created by British for divide and rule.If people like you accept Sanskrit as the oldest language in India why you are not able to accept Tamil as the oldest language.Even if we present the proof, you people are saying again and again that all the languages including Tamil are derived from Sanskrit.
so what about the river “kankai” being spelt as “gangai”? try not to humiliate atleast the river “kankai”
the way the tamizihans oppose brahmins is the only proof that would tell the whole universe we have our ancient culture and tradition still. No one say against them only we tamizhians eventhough we are the makers of all religious shrines of hindu gods. Because we had experience so worst. So many painful hearts gone into the deepest sand, they could not tell anyone when they were alive…but in the spiritual world they are still alive watching all the games.
most of the people in india are religious… IC. Ask them how many tamizh literary books they had burnt. They can not burn kanyakumari even now. She is only witness.
Dear,
Why a language becomes DEAD?
Selfish humans are the reasons for making a language “dead”. Greediness for capturing land, grabbing money, looting the wealth and passion for ruling the people and mind full of thoughts about torturing and dictating and make the innocent humans the slaves are the reasons for making a language dead…..how it survive and how it make itself escape from the clutches of treacherous people and who are the people who are dedicated towards the language are the matters to be given importance. Truth is truth forever!!!!
When it would be purely SELFISH.
The exact period when the name “Tamil” came to be applied to the language is unclear, as is the precise etymology of the name. The earliest attested use of the name is in a text that is perhaps as early as the 1st century BCE.
The earliest records in Old Tamil are short inscriptions from around the 2nd century BCE in caves and on pottery. These inscriptions are written in a variant of the Brahmi script called Tamil Brahmi.[32] The earliest long text in Old Tamil is the Tolkฤppiyam, an early work on Tamil grammar and poetics, whose oldest layers could be as old as the 1st century BC.[28] A large number of literary works in Old Tamil have also survived. These include a corpus of 2,381 poems collectively known as Sangam literature. These poems are usually dated to between the 1st and 5th centuries AD,[33] which makes them the oldest extant body of secular literature in India.[34] Other literary works in Old Tamil include two long epics, Cilappatikฤram and Maแนimฤkalai, and a number of ethical and didactic texts, written between the 5th and 8th centuries.[35]
According to Archeologist Sanskrit is the oldest language in India. inscriptions found by them dates back to 260 BC.Tamil comes next at 3rd century B.C.But Sanskrit is a dead language because it is not a spoken language so presently Tamil is the Oldest language in India.
Dear all,
Vidiya vidiya raamaayanam kettaraam, seethaiku raaman sithaappanaraam. Very very funny!!!!!
Now the debate continues…….
I think everyone would be pleased when they would see TAMIZH a dead language.in the future.
I think there is no need for giving informations, proofs about tamizh now. If anyone want to dig the past then they can continue. After all tamizhian had been facing a lot of suppression and problems in life and he is not NEW to such things.
May SUPER NATURAL INVISIBLE POWER do something!!!!!
I take rest for some days. See you all.
Dear Friends,
This site is about which is the oldest language in India.If you know any thing about your Language please write here.so that everyone will know better about other languages.But some people are writing about their own personal stories and unwanted things.I got good information from this site http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/10696 but when i came to this site i was dissapointed to see people writing about some common problems like dowry,auto drivers,raining in Chennai and global warming.There are so many blogs for everything you can write this things there but this site is about oldest language.so please give specific information about languages.
Please visit this site.
http://www.countercurrents.org/anand091204.htm
Dear all,
What siva telling about dowry system is correct and it would lead us all to bright future. We should help the girls and their family. There are so many girls above 35 years still unmarried because they could not pay the money and jewellery because the boy is demanding more. Middle class people are suffering because of this. One another thing the south indian girls should not be crazy about jewellery. She is the reason for creating the desire for gold and other ornaments in the society. Only one thin chain is enough. They feel proud of wearing a lot of heavy jewelleries. It also create the chain snatchers and robberers in the society. A girl looks beautiful without much jewellery. She should save the money instead of spending for ornaments.
When the westerners are following our culture like learning yoga, wearing kurta pyjaama, sarees, doing meditation and our importance for relationships, joint family culture and appreciate the different unique colours of our ancient history. Why cant we people follow their culture without DOWRY?…..a girl in foreign country do not have such problems in the society. She looks beautiful also without much jewellery. She is very very simple. No death because of torture of the family of the bridegroom. Why do we people always expecting the girls family for everything. A boy should feel proud of helping the girls family and he should mingle with them in a friendly manner.
A girl ofter marriage leaves her parents home forever and expect lots of love and affection from the family of the boy, but most of them treat her very badly. Why people are narrow minded, if the mother-in-law treat the daughter-in-law like her own daughter, the girl would also come to know that there is no need for her to feel afraid of her future. She would shower them with respect and love also. Please try to change the corruptive dowry system in the society. In india woman has been given a lot of respect and she should treated as a Godess.
By nature the girls are physically very weak and emotional. Sadly, a woman becomes the reason for murdering a woman in the society.
Where do we keep our brain? Why do we follow so many customs even now evil natured?
Dear all,
one thing i would like to clarify that apart from india the dowry system is reverse. The boy has to to pay or put some money to the girls account before he is going to marry her. Now think at the earlier stages of Indian culture the boy had paid the girls family with 1 yrs required needs (food clothing, etc). But some stupids changed the system i dont want to again & again to point them & the worst thing in this modern century we are following the same. Some changes has to be made.
I hope in upcoming years these will not be followed.
It will be a great boon to all the girls if the boys are not going to demand anything from the family of girls. It will put an end to all kinds of problems in life.
Dear all,
one can not deny the fact that south indian employees are given importance in northern part of india. When they let their house for rent also they prefer first of all south indians, because they are sure that south indians would pay the rent in time. They are all Good pay master for them.
When i left my office, my boss wanted me to search for a south indian computer operator for our office, because they have the opinion that she or he would concentrate on work and be honest. As far as english typing or communication or dealing official correspondence also they think that south indians are efficient. I also have a certificate from my boss for doing the job in efficient manner and for hard work also. He wished me good luck.
So, we should find out why people are crazy about MONEY. Why the autorickshaw wallah is demanding extra money. The first and the worst thing in the society now is DOWRY. The girl has to pay gold jewellery and cash for marrying a guy.
Today the gold rate per gram is 2000/-
If the guy ask you for 20 pavun (20*8 grams) atleast then it would be 160 grams. The value of the gold is 3,20,000/-
But the family of the bridegroom are demanding more than 50 pavun today, they also ask scooter, car, all the electronic items at home, cash also and also the family of the bride would have to spend money for arranging marriage and order food, printing the invitation, gifts for relatives …. So much of money for the marriage.
So, we should first of all pluck out the ROOT then only all the people would get relieved from all the pressure and tension.
I think all should sit and discuss the matters and help the family of the girls. Humanitarian consideration should be looked and please try to be honest. Girls are also earning these days in the cities. Is there a need for the devil DOWRY?
Dear all,
Want of money has made the human to cheat not only in chennai all over the world, the same condition. If you go to PALIKA BAZAAR in new delhi there they would say Rs,200/- for a thing the actual price would be only 100/-. The people who reside in delhi know this, but the people new to delhi would be get cheated. The same is happening for a foriegner in delhi also. To put the blame on a tamizhian is showing partiality.
Everyone has to change and be “honest”. Not only chennaite but the whole india should be honest about telling the original price or fare. Any one can survive in chennai if he knows English. There is no need for hindi to suppress the people. But, the knowledge about hindi language is necessary to communicate since in arab countries also u need hindi for communication.
We always give respect to north indians in chennai. They dont complain about us. But it is not the case with south indians. If you people are living togther there, they wont try to cheat you. But if they know that you dont have support and if you are alone then there are so many GANGS to exploit you. Especially a south indian girl or a woman should be always characterwise good and disciplined. Otherwise she is gone. They may change your mind to go on wrong track. You should first of all observe the people and make friends.
We do not cheat the north indian girls and women here. But its not the case in delhi. The condition is the WORST. Keralities in delhi live united and they can not be cheated. But changing the mind of a innocent girl is very easy for people with crooked mind. BE ALERT!!!!The poverty of the girl does not create sympathy….i think even after worshipping Gods why people are doing this? All are ETHIESTS.
Today, knowing hindi would only mean to protect yourself and also for better communication.
*Actual price in Palika Bazaar is Rs50 only.It is not cheating but it is the pricing skill.You should have the skills to explore the actual price,you can win the deal.If one say the price as Rs 50 ,then buyer would try to bring down to Rs 15 or 20.So,they start with Rs200 and depends on your bargaining skill ,you can reduce the price even lesser than Rs 50.If you continue to speak or bargain in Tamizh to them ,THERE ARE ULTIMATE CHANCES TO BRING DOWN THE PRICE.This a strategy to overcome negotiation within appreciable limit.Also,this changes from market to market.This is nothing to do with cheating confined to particular region.
*Keralites are (not only united in new delhi) united everywhere…!
Dear abdul sir,
yes you are rite. BARGAINING makes all the wonders. Ok, me leaving for some days.
Diwali is nothing but DEEPAM+OLI= LIGHT+BRIGHTNESS.
THEEPAVALI – THEE means fire….OLI means brightness in tamizh.
I think abdul sir is here to explain all the words and their root words clearly.
bye all of you. take care all of you.
yes, the north indian business men knows about south indian culture, they would reduce the price but they wont do it for a punjabi..because they know that we are people who lead life so simple and we dont waste money on luxury goods. We do not spend money for lipsticks, perfumes and other make-up items, and colourful slippers, handbags, fast food etc etc. We give importance to basic things for leading life. Thats the reason why a heartless punjabi is exploiting a poor tamizhian also. We are always treated badly for leading our life so “simple”.
Dear All,
Because there is no Hindi in tamilnadu the real beneficiary was auto drivers,who are charging three times higher from other state people than they charge for local people.A north Indian friend told me he has given 150 Rs. for coming from Chennai central to Chennai park station.I was shocked to hear this,because Chennai people will know what is the distance between central and park.A white man from U.K. given a nick name as cheating Chennai because of auto drivers.Tamil peoples attitude has to change either we should know Hindi or English.Because of politicians making politics with language the image of Tamil and Tamil culture get destroyed.
Evey where auto drivers cheat ,either it is chennai or newdelhi? nothing to do with place.It is the only place where national unity rests.Even a auto driver in chennai has tried to fool me by charging 3 times of real fare ,on seeing my south tamilnadu slang(madurai slang which is different from chennai chentamizh).They are good at cheating all ,direction either north or south doesnt matter here.It is all about economy and it is a common phenomenon.
Dear Abdul Sir,
I am laughing here when you say that chennaite are talking chentamizh. Today no tamizhian in chennai is proununcing the letters correctly. They have murdered the tamizh language….hahahaha……They dont know how to prounounce “zha” and “Nna” (mooNu suzhi Na) they dont know how to prounounce “Lla” For example to say avargaL, they say avargal, for vazhaipazham they say vaalaipalam.
Ok, one another the poor people under poverty line say BEMAAANI this is nothing but in hindi BEMAAN (means faithless) it seems the poor people had been learning a lot of hindi words from the pawn shop owners Marwaaris. The servantmaid in my flat says, when the maarwari community leave their state rajasthan for chennai, they would say “THERE IS A STATE FULL OF MAD PEOPLE, (pythiakaaran ooru) LETS GO THERE AND EXPLOIT THEM” and they pack their all goods and come here. hahahhahaha……
bye
SO finally, humans are against humans, how to solve the problem?
send all of them to the jungle and make all the animals live in the city. :)
but i have found people so innocent in the deeper south parts of tamizhnadu. The atmosphere especially in the cities like nagarkoil, kutraalam, thenkasi, senkottai, my pavoorchatram, keezhapavoor, the nearby villages and cities of tirunelveli is really pure. I can not find such innocence anywhere. Here, the life is “restless” and “corrupted” because of selfish people and modern culture.
Dear Muruven and all in South Africa,
How are you all? I hope all are fine. Recently, i read on newspaper that you people are going to complete 150th year in Afrrica, by next month November16th, 2010. A group of people from africa had a meeting with Chief Minister Mr.Karunanidhi also and requested him to send tamizh teachers to africa to teach the people and requested also to set up a tamizh library to keep all the tamizh literary works. Great!!!! We must do something to keep our tradition ALIVE.
I feel proud that you people are away from all kinds of nasty things and especially hinduism which is exploiting the innocent people all over india. At the same time, i also feel sad that you people had to leave our mother land and your talent could not be exhibited here. Anyways, wherever you are i am sure you people are spreading the glory of Tamizh and also about our lost land Kumari kandam and Dhanushkodi which are silently sleeping in the deepest ocean and our very own country sri lanka (ilangai) everyone knows the fact that the hard work and sweat of the tamizhians only made a country what sri lanka today is. A tamizhian is exploited everywhere.
Just like you people love south africa and the people over there, no people from outside of south india especially tamizh nadu do not love this land and the people. They are all selfish and they want to exploit us.
If there is a tsunami threat in tamizh nadu if there would be forecast that the whole tamiz nadu would go deep into the ocean, NO NORTH INDIAN, NO ARYAN would stay here. They would all go to their respective land (the rest of india) . But the tamizhian has no place to go in india, even if he goes he would be working as servants only. The honesty of a tamizhian only make him work as servants otherwise he or she would be flirting around and doing business of immoral nature like some indisiciplined people of india to earn money.
If you people visit india next time please visit important places in tamizh nadu, great architecture and herbal falls like kutraalam, paapanaasam, maamallapuram, chidambaram, madurai, tanjore, rameswaram (the paampan bridge),thirunelveli (nellaiappar temple world famous for great architecture) and teach the youngsters about our ancient glory also. Our tamizh kings had done a great job before leaving our sand.
Take care all of you.
Dear Ranjit and all,
What ranjit trying to say is correct. Everyone should know each other language to communicate in a better manner. But, the question here is the expoitation of poor tamizhians in this country called “India”. Yesterday, a tamizhian married woman, former LTTE group member was raped in sri lanka as per todays news paper report Dina Thanthi. What is the central govt. doing still? When it is quickly reacting for a north indian, why does not respond for a tamizhian.
It seems the life of a tamizhian is so cheap. The fair skinned north indians though they have dravidian blood always remain DEAF AND DUMB about tamizhians sadful plight.
Tamizhian by giving space to all the people from northern part has so far proved that he is secular. But what is the use? 90% of employees in Tiruppur Garment Factories are all biharis (from the state Bihar) Even then, no person from the bihar state government raise a voice in support of tamizhian. Maarwari (Rajasthanis) build huge buildings both commerical and residential here and receive huge rent and the tenants are also treated in a bad manner. Evenafter they are enjoying in our tamizh land they are torturing tamizhians. If we go to north they humiliate a tamilian by nick name, if the north indian come to tamizh nadu also they humiliate and torture. I want to know after all tamizhian does he have SELF-RESPECT or not?
If i learnt hindi then i also appreciate the hindi literature also. But if a north indian if ever learn tamizh fully will he ever try to appreicate tamizh literature? I think they learn for communicating and make their business flourish…thats all. The north indians first of all should know who a tamizhian is and what is his history and try to mingle with him in a friendly manner. Supporting “Sanskrit” is not going to help them all.
Sanskrit would only create partiality among people and encourage rivalry as well. It would only create commotion and confusion in india. We want a peaceful india where all communities live with dignity.
Dear Ravanan and other Friends,
Germany people speaking German and France people speaking French only because they are a separate nation.But Tamil nadu is not a separate nation,it is one of the states of India.There will be differences among us with other language speaking people but that doesn’t mean we are all not Indians.when there is hate campaign against north Indians in Maharashtra,sachin tendulkar has boldly spoken against Bal thackeray and Raj Thackeray by saying that he is an Indian first then only maharastrian.He also said that mumbai for all.I agree that Tamil and its culture is the oldest survivor in the world.we should not allow others to dominate us.But we should leave our ego and accept other languages as our languages.Do you know Tamil people who goes for north India loses their money to taxi drivers and auto drivers because they don’t know Hindi same fate for north Indians who are coming to Tamilnadu.so try to learn other languages also. if you know many languages then you will be like son of the land in any states.otherwise you will be like a foreigner. we are all Indians at First then only Tamizans.
IC. i still want all the tamizhians to explore all the languages.
Dear all,
In the film “Nayakan” it was told that vardha bhai was visiting the red light area, it is offenceful to show without knowing the real facts to defame a person who was respected by the poor tamizhians of mumbai. It would only show that all the tamizhians are people of bad habits. But in reality we are not….we were not in INDUS VALLEY but caught all the bad habits because of aryans.
Even illful drugs and drinks were introduced by the aryans. SOMA AND SURA both drinks were consumed by the aryans and thats what opened the way for all kinds of intoxicating drinks and spoil so many families today.
Dravidians festival PONGAL is one of the examples for purity. It does not create pollution as DIWALI. During HOLI festival in north, guys use BHANG a kind of drink which makes them excited and and create giddiness. So, aryans made festivals involves “impurity” .
Dear all,
Maniratnam may be telling the truth and making films of imagination, but he failed to show in his film “Nayakan” in the last episode how vardhabhai (Late Varadaraja mudaliar) died. In reality, his death was a NATURAL DEATH, he was not shot by anyone. If we say in the film “Gandhi” how he met with his end, then the facts were gathered and shown to the public. But it was not in the case of Nayakan. After all a non-brahmin had to suffer in films also. Truth should be told as truth to the people if the real story of a person..the director should not cheat the public using the cinema medium so strong.
Well! hinduism is nothing but full of tales and animal headed gods like varaaha avataar (pig headed), elephant headed avataar, snake, kaamadenu (it should be kuma+denu) hanumaan (monkey) etc…The aryans have been creating and the dravidians have been worshipping closing their eyes. One another story of vinayaka (elephant) is that when wife of sivan, parvati was before having bath gathered all the dirt from her body, heapful of them and made vinayaka. Very awful!!!!! May be its because the colour of elephant is black. They aryans had been creating stories and writing them also to fool the people. Periyaar during his period as per records in written form was making mockery of the Idol ganesha (elephant God) thats why during mayavatis’ plan to gather a meeting in the name of periyaar, …..the brahmins spread the tale that IDOL GANESHA IS DRINKING MILK to create the illusion and fool the people.
Yes. pongal is celebrated for thanking SUN and also thanking farmers who are our food suppliers. This help us all with daily meal and this pongal tell us about hardwork and about the energy of Nature. Also we worship cows and bulls as well ..we decorate them.
Lord muruga son of sivan is worshipped only in tamizh nadu and may be in other parts of our country. Siva and muruga both were tamizhians. Pucca dravidians!!!. Just because of the fact that murugan married a gypsy girl he is not worshipped anywhere. Who knows what is the truth and what is not. Anyways…all the stories are bedtime stories to make the kids sleep. But we elders only dont wake up even now.
Which God now should come down on earth to help?
when “nature” is watching who is the culprit and punish him for his bad deeds, why humans are punishing people because of their hatredness. its very difficult to understand humans, i feel so afraid to be with humans, let me go to the jungle full of poisonous animals, they are harmless indeed!!!! the one who is sending the “bow” is not noted but the “bow” is noted always.
Dear All,
We are always kept aside in all over the India even if u speak Hindi. India is stiched country by the Britishers. Before how it was & now it is the same. As per the north indian views we South Indians are Raavanas pepole as per the Ramayanam that drunked man’s story, who has the cruel mind, presently i am facing this problem. From the history (as per their views) to till date the same has been followed by these people. In this situation i should respect the Director of Ravanan Respected Mr. Manirathinam in his story he told( if its happened really) the truth he always do in his film.
We all know that Deepavali is the Festival of Light but it is not that, it is showing the Domination of us. Naragashuran is a created devil person by these people & he belongs to our community. The lord Krishna from their side he killed the naragashuran and that day is celebrated as deepavali.We should be ashamed to celebrate but do we.
Pongal is our festival do we all celebrate this as like deepavali, no. I was shocked by one christian friend he told me that pongal is a Hindus festival not us. I explained him that pongal is not religious festival, all religion can celebrate it is just giving thanks to the light which helped us to eat. See our festivals which will never hurt anybody in the world. The festivals which we are celebrating that will show the purity of us.
Does lord siva has two sons no & never. He has only one son Murugan & they were human beings and as per my knowledge these two persons were first members in Tamil Sangam. Then how this Vinayaga came in picture there u can see the dominations. One story for the fruit that vinayaka will win while rounding his father & mother that shows the real cunningness. Do u all know when this animal worshiping came in south india (Vinayaka). Raja Raja Chola has a war on Ganga & he wins there. He was shocked that they are worshiping Elephant & he introduced vinayaka in South India.
One sad thing has happened yesterday i kept Thiruvalluvar in my desktop as screen saver, My friend he belongs to south india he saw that picture & asked me who is this. This is not because of lack of knowledge, this is exactly because of Domination.
So friends dont fed up for this dominations, we are always capable of facing anything. we are survived from Mohenjadaro to till date in the complex of dominations means we are having something. So bring that something outside and make it in to manythings. Develope ourself with knowledge in all fields, then the world will tell us who we are.
Never reject to learn any buisness languages & Die instead of forgetting our Mother tounge. So keep this learning session continued so everyboby will know & gain knowledge on Tamil. Never worry for the Dominating comments. Keep continuing this is really helping my kind of people.
Valzha Tamil,
By Tamil Virumbum SIVA
Dear all,
German and French people speak their mother tongue. No doubt. But for communicating with people from outside they only use English. So, there is no harm in learning hindi at present. During the period of Late Rajaji and Periyar, the situation was different. There was a plan that by pushing Hindi, they wanted to suppress our mother language tamizh. Casteism was very much ACTIVE that time. But, the suppression is not prevailing today though it create problems here and there very silently. Even uppercaste non-brahmins are using this casteism to exploit the people who are facing poverty in the society. Selfish people use these customs to satisfy themselves. It is the “truth”.
If people working in gulf countries are facing problems because of hindi and if it is the “must language” then there is no harm in learning and communicating. Knowing a hindi language would only lead to perfection. BUT, if any language is trying to crush our mother tongue and try to send it to the GRAVEYARD then we should protest.
We tamizhians know the antiquity of our language tamizh and we do not disrespect any other language of this world. What we feel fear about is that there would be an attempt to dominate our tamiz land and tamizhians by spreading hindi in our state.
When we tamizhians are not given respect anywhere and when tamizhians are killed and tamizhian girls and women were raped in sri lanka, no one ever tried to help us. By sending the Indian Army to help the sri lankan army only shows that we are left ALONE. We were helpless and even now so many poor tamizhians are suffering in so many houses of wealthy punjabis working as servants and we do not know about their fate after some time. Are we tamizhians “indians”?
During british rule also south indians were suffering because of atrocities of aryans and their cruel customs. We had been suffering, tolerating and carrying pain in our heart. We could not express our problems to others. We had been protesting all alone. Wrong meaning was given to people about tamizhians. Tamizh land has been so far giving, giving and giving…..even then people who use our language do not treat us in a good manner. They are making mockery of poverty of a tamizhian. Those who are commenting about poverty and torture them are not HUMANS. Instead of removing poverty they are enjoying snatching the money of tamizhians.
Learn more and more langauges and try to go on path of progress. We have talent and we are all honest and hard working that would lead us to popularity.
HI
MISS M
I HAVE BEEN READING YOU MAILS AND I AM PROUD TO BE LEARNING ABOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE ON TAMIL PEOPLE.
I AM A SOUTH AFRICAN BORN PERSON OF TAMIL ORIGIN.
WE HERE HAVE THROUGH THE YEARS LOST MOST OF OUR CULTURE,BUT WE HADE NO CHOICE,IT WAS FORCED ON TO US . YOU GUYS IN INDIA FIGHT TO KEEP YOU CULTURE,BE PROUD OF WHO WE ARE……
I never thought i would be one day on this blog to pour my emotions and opinions. After coming here only, i came to know about the rich culture of tamizh and its connection with other countries and the gentlemen from foreign countries who devoted their life in learning tamizh they are so many…and i also believe “honesty” and “good character” leads you to a destination where you identify the secrets of this mystical world..I am also happy to explore the lady so chaste “kanyakumari” because she is the one who invited me here i guess alongwith Sivan(fire)
should she believe that you are really “proud” of her? i have seen colours.
Dear Friends,
Sons,Daughters,grandsons and Grand Daughters of Tamil nadu Politicians are learning ten to fifteen Languages.But Poor people
like us know only Tamil because it is our mother tongue.we need Hindi in government schools then only we can able to search any jobs in North India without any fear.Even in Gulf countries we have to speak in Hindi because North Indians,Pakistanis and Bangladeshis works there.we should try to be like the great Tamil Poet Mahakavi Bharathiar who knows many Indian languages other than Tamil.Rich people who studies in cbse and matriculation schools has the opportunity to speak and write Hindi and English Fluently.But poor people like us not able to speak either Hindi or English.
Germans speak only german, French speak only french. hence they are at the top of the world. we speak many languages and become workers for ever.
why do we idiots have to go behind some one. dont we have a language, culture for us.
Ultimate tragedy of mankind is not due to brutality of few, but the silence of many.
well said!!!!
Dear Ranjit,
Politicians of not only tamizh nadu but the whole india have “sufficient money” for the next 5 generations atleast. There is no need for their children to learn foreign languages. They learn them for knowledge and for communicating and some for “hobby”. But a poor tamizhian should learn other langauges for “survival”.
I have explained the difference between the rich and the poor. Always try to apply your brain on the path full of purity and bright future. Do not immerse into hindu rituals and expect God for blessings. Without hardwork nothing can be done. God created us , His duty is OVER. We should only search for “light”. If we go and sit in the temple and pray and again sit idle…what would happen? nothing.
Vallavanukku pullum ayutham.
Even a grass becomes a weapon for a person full of talent.
We should all try to be united and utilise the talent.
Dear all,
We have in schools of tamizh nadu, the hindi as second language. It is optional. If any one have not taken hindi as a second language and if they want to learn the language then please visit the given below site for informations. Please search for the latest information about the Central Hindi Directorate in delhi.
http://indiaedunews.net/announcement/show.asp?aid=1048
Applications may be sent to:
The Deputy Director,
Department of Correspondence Course,
Central Hindi Directorate,
West Block โ 7, R.K. Puram, New Delhi โ 110 066
Central Hindi Directorate Phone Number : (11) 26178454 26105526
This above website has been given by me for those poor tamizhians who work in gulf countries to communicate better in hindi and survive. I hope they shall all be faithful and dedicated to their mother tongue tamizh forever….The workers who are in need of hindi…what to do? they are helpless and supportless…they are in need of money and comfort to make their family members happy…for marriage, for medical, for entertainment they need money….sad indeed!!!!…they should all be happy.
Dear all,
Today, because of heavy rain all the temple towers in tamizh nadu are taking BATH. We should thank NATURE for this kind attitude.
Dear Satish,
I dont feel bad about writing the word which the north indians use to humiliate south indians. They should only feel shameful about using such terms for people from neighbouring states. I dont know the origin of such terms….why did they use?…Even the people who reside in tamizh nadu do not show their loyalty to the land then who would respect. All started because of Late Rajaji when he wanted to impose hindi in tamizh land. Always tamizhian had been suffering because of brahamanism in tamizh land, so Thanthai Periyar thought that it would increase the “upper caste arrogance” in the state again and he thought that it was a tactic to abolish the glory of tamizh. Thats why tamizhians wanted to keep the antiquity of the tamiz literature and culture. There was a protest. But hindi is not a difficult language. I learnt it only when i was 24 years old. Though i am not good in hindi grammer but i can write, read and speak the language very well but slightly with tamil accent. Its all about observation. If you have interest then you can learn everything good in nature.
If some one is talking against tamizhian then its because of rumour that they hate the language hindi. Its not the fact. Its about “Self-respect”. If a german or a russian wants to protect their language then we also do the same. After all tamizh is our “mother” with a history full of glory and honest people.
“Tamizhukkum Amudendru per”
(P.Susheela sang this song)
The another name of Tamizh is nector”
My father had good friends also from the brahmin community and they were all athiest. Because of them only my father came to know a lot of supersticious belief in the society. Infact, i used to sing in “Navaraathri Golus” ..they only used to invite me to sing when i was young….that time i did not know about casteism and other rituals of exploitative nature. Only when i use my brain and connect things i have so many questions. Is there a need for a statue at all? When there is no water in chennai they are using litres and litres of water to clean the statue and for “kumbabhisheka,” cleaning the temple tower. Even after following all rituals very religiciously (ammi paaartu …arundhati paarthu) divorce cases are increasing. It shows the society is changing…So many dowry deaths are occuring then why dont the government abolish these customs. Parents of daughters know what to give and if they have the capacity to give they would continue giving money and valuables to their daughter. They are well wishers only. Why this “dowry” system is here to pressurise the parents? Most of the guys are using this “varadakshina” to exploit so selfishly. All the people are not wealthy.
Hindi is a “business language”….it was formed mixing sanskrit and urdu words. Because of aryan invasion and later on muslim dynasty in northern parts of india…the language hindi came into existance. Its full of 70% urdu words.
They talk about the antiquity of sanskrit. When tamizh is a spoken language why sanksrit could not be a spoken language. Because, the answer is “it does not have the deep root” but tamizh has a very very strong root it is holding the ancient glory. Thats why we keep on holding it even now. When a dead language wants to get up….why people talk ill about the living language “TAMIZH”. It should not die. Somewhere it should survive….it deserves a lot….
Tamizh land has so far given life to so many people but they do not want to praise the glory because all of them are selfish people and they want to exploit the tamizh and the people. They are sinners.
Idathai kuduthaaal madathaiye pidunginaaraaam.
means
The space was given for a stay…but they snatched the whole space for them.
In hindi “Chori upar se seena jori”….I think it explain what i have written above. ]
By allowing them “in” we are loosing and we are trying to get up…..
Hindi is not a difficult language. But the current Tamil script consists of 12 vowels, 18 consonants and one special character, the ฤytam. The vowels and consonants combine to form 216 compound characters, giving a total of 247 characters. So, it is advisable to teach the tamizh and then hindi. Because anyone can anytime learn the hindi very easily.
Dear Miss M,
IF You write like this other language speaking people will hate
Tamils.There are some good people in Brahman community also.you must
also know that Tamil people are suffering in north India when they go there f
or any business or personal visits because there is no Hindi in
tamilnadu.Nothing will happen to Tamil if Hindi is introduced in schools as
second language or third language.Hindi is spoken in many parts of the
country that is why it is chosen as national language.we Tamils are gundu
sattila gudhirai vottarom.
Dear Ramesh,
I am also staying in Delhi ,without knowing hindi for last 2 years but I didnt find it is hindering my progress.Also,I dont wont to learn hindi.Still,I can show u ,numerous Tamizh people in north are excelling with flying colors(Katravarukku chenra idamelaam sirrappu..!).Proper planning is important for business people , studying hindi cant make u speak hindi..!Unless otherwiseit is spoken..u cant get with any language.So,If u want 2 learn hindi or find a job in northern land,go there n stay for 6 months ,u will get that language.No language is difficult ,if u hav interest and involvement.These are the words of person with poor level of confidence stating that “They require hindi to be introduced as second language for further career growth”.Secondly,u r not going to create any hindi literature r hindi draftings for career r business pursuit (as like english)?.For learning any language to converse,it will hardly takes 6-12 months based on ur curiosity.Thirdly,hindi has not yet received national language status,hindi is just a national official language like other indian language.So,all Tamizhians dont be foolish or ignorant and finally conclude by introducing hindi into tamizh land and destry our identity.
Hindi and western (french,german)and eastern(japanese & chinese) languages could be introduced as optional subjects in Govt schools and colleges of Tamizhnadu, not a compulsary subject or imposition.
Always try to learn a languages which is moving harmonious with science and technology(if required) or translate it to tamizh for deep understanding.
Also,TAMIZH inhabitans should build entrepreneurial spirit in global prespective.so that, we wil not rest as slaves or knowledge workers any more.They should build a leadership quality and enforce new technology to the world,so that ,we can become more autonomous like japanese and germans,french in terms of language.Promote and kindle to learn and think in mother tongue ,so that technolgy may improve henceforth.
Dont think to emerge as job seeker ,change ur attitude,try to become a job giver.so that world may stand behind us.Go to north or any part of world and start a business.so that world may get to know about us.
Dear Abdul Sir,
What you have written is perfect. If you go to any part of india, u can pick up the language in 6 months time. Its true. There is a need for observation. Tamizhian has the capacity to learn anything good in nature. He can do wonders if he go on searching for new knowledge. He should not sit idle in tamizhland and die. He was under suppression for years. I dont know why he was not using his brain so far. What made him hold the religion and the rituals very foolishly. OK….now the doors are open for him.
If a south indian wants to know how to write hindi and read then he can go for correspondance courses offered by the central hindi directorate in delhi. I have seen some episodes of DIL DIL MANADIL in kalaingar TV some years before, and i could not believe my eyes about seeing the adventurous spirit of tamizhians. All were fantastic showing their talent and bravery. He has so much arts in him. He should utilise them in proper way and exhibit on proper platform to surprise this world.
No aryan shows arts of hardwork in nature. This is the truth. Dravidians have martial arts in their blood by nature. They have the art of yoga in his blood. He is capable of doing anything dangerous in nature also. Every human in india if he is talented then he can show …no partiality should be there. We tamizhians have welcomed all but this kind gesture of us should not be exploited. We can not deny the fact that we are exploited by so many so far.
i dont think the casteism in india would prevail after 100 years, because inter-caste marriages have increased. Even the daughter of my grand uncle married an american citizen, his father is american his mother is german. So, the blood would change…..no caste in future would remain….Because of “dowry” and torture, girls are choosing love marriage these days.
UNITY is the best policy satish…but you are adamant.
they only made us to dwell here in tamizhnadu, it is a difficult task to make the world understand why are we adamant still about tamizh, because it is our past that is holding still lots of truth. Exploitation. They can now learn all the languages. Do not stay here, get away all of you go and explore the universe.
Enough is enough. Tamizh is immortal!!!!!
i never said, just ride ur bike in ur city..why dont u people go to some other parts of india..rajasthanis are coming here, gujratis, punjabis, malayalis, telugus, biharis,..they are going to loot our tamizhnadu one day, we dont know hindi and we are not ready to explore their places and settle there, this is going to be a head ache for we the tamizhans. There is no space for me to park my moped. The city is crowded with biharis and maarwaris. HELL!!!! My neighbour maarwari is expecting free goods from the govt. of tamizhnadu, she is very happy to receive them.
Dear all,
Bursting diwali crackers would also increase the global warming and sometimes dangerous to use them in crowded areas. So, try to avoid spending money on crackers and if possible give some other employment to the poor people (children also) who are suffering while making these crackers full of chemicals in Sivakasi city. Tamizhnadu.
No one would come to help a tamzhian, so we should only make efforts to help poor people here. Create more employment for our people in tamizh nadu itself so that they dont have to face humiliation in any other part of this country called India. We had enough so far.
nothing to say.
bye.
Dear Siva and all,
Like siva i also had the same questions in my mind. I have been thinking these matters so many times. The skin colour has been the main reason for all. By nature a dravidian was full of bravery and adventurous and talented and he knew all sorts of skills to face the nature. Had all the dravidians oppose the aryans in the beginning our pure culture would have been intact. But, since aryans knew that only by brainwashing these dravidians they could rule and dominate so, they started introducing various customs by the name of “Gods”.
They created so many gods also and with it so many festivals and rituals to mint money.
The name of God was used only to suppress the people. The name of God was used to torture innocent girls and women. The Casteism was introduced to split the dravidians. Skin colour was shown again and again and comparison was shown only to create “Inferiority complex” among dravidians. Compete brainwash.
After learning tamizh to some extent they began to create a language called “sanskrit” and they wrote about “casteism” to pressurise the people. They made the dravidians to believe that their vedic culture was connected with Gods and they created the illusion among people that they had been sent by God himself on earth and they had every right to implement rules and regulations.
Since kings were ruling tamizh land, they by capturing the post of ADVISORS to kings to torture the people. Since they told that they are in the place of brain of a human, ie., brahmin means “Brain” and Shudra means the “feet”. So, they made the kings to believe that whatever they would say it would be the correct custom and advise for the masses. So they began to torture the people below poverty line and people with darker skin. They made them all their “servants”. This has been the reason why a north indian today is against the colour “black”.
We also have the news that during british rule also brahmins were enjoying because of Anne Besant. So, by occupying the post of powerful nature they use their cunning tactics to suppress the people.
The tamizh kings could not understand the very nature of aryans thats why there were continuous wars between them. They had been incited by these aryans and they lost their wealth and health because of them. By introducing “ANTHAPURAM” (place of entertainment) in the kings palace, they gradually introduced prostitution also. They used the women to lure the kings and hatched so many plots.
We are indians we believe because of our nature of tolerating. When a north indian is attacked in Australia, the indian govt, would raise its voice and would send warning message to australia if the name of the chief minister Shiela Dikshit was pronounced wrongly or the Governor of australia an north indian if he became a victim of mockery. BUT, if tamizhians are attacked in sri lanka the indian govt. would shut its mouth tightly and no one would send warning message or no indian of this india would protest. understood!!!!!
The north indians do not know who is a telungu guy, kannadiga and keralite guy. So the north indians generally are calling a south indian by the name “madrasi sala”. This “saala” is nothing but in hindi “brother-in-law” only. Just like we use the word “machaan” (brother-in-law) they also use. But since they want to show their anger against their brother-in-law…this has become a habit for showing their hatredness against all the people. They even say on seeing a pandit (brahmin) “pandit saala”…..”saale bihari”…the guy belongs to state of bihar. In my office a punjabi guy would use this word for even a keyboard, CPU or a coffee cup to show his anger. Very funny….i made him stop using that word “saala” for everything. But, even after hearing all these words, we have not found any word for north indians so far….it only shows that we people are following good culture.
A day would come in future, all our neighbour state people would come forward to help us. We would all be together to make a new future full of brightness. We have been so far helping a telungu. kannadiga and keralite to show his or her talent and become famous and earn money in the entertainment field. If all south indians come together to show their talent and hardwork i am sure we can all be happy.
Siva, i have seen dravidians making the pillars of a temple sitting and sweating for a meagre amount. In those days also their energy and time were utilised by the aryans in a cunning manner, even then they had been atrocities against the dravidians. They wont have “salvation” (moksha) ….motcham in tamizh.
There was a tsunami in indonesia yesterday….and it is a warning for all the people of this world that the nature is changing day by day. We should stop immediately “GLOBAL WARMING’ to protect our earth.
I go to buy crackers just for giving life to the children who are making crackers for three time meal. I dont celebtrate these aryans made festivals. I only celebrate “PONGAL” (farmers festival).
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who is going to make tamiznadu the “state of gardens”? atleast i would like chennai to be a “garden city”.
so, diwali is also reason for global warming. Stop buying crackers :)
Dear All,
Its good to have the knowledge in tamil & i am learing from this. Let me know that after we migrated to south part of india do we created a kingdom ? then why we have not attacked the aryans.. what is the real facts behind that. As the aryans mentioned we are not strong enough to face them. Before the cheras, chola, pandia, pallava, who ruled us? Even these kings does they have any war against the nother part of our country.
“Now the present situation questions”
1).We are thinking that we all are Indians do the others think the same on us.
2). All the other state pepople keeping one nick name & calling us.
3). The nature has been stopped its rain & even our near by state the dravidans they are not giving water to us.
4) Even the temples which we made, we are not allowed.
5) An racism problem in australia on Indians our all media went & our indian govt involved to solve but in the Gulf countries more deaths happens no steps were taken, because all came here to do job are south Indian.
Who will solve this & how to solve this. Now what should i think i am Indian or ???????????????????
Dear Shiva,
*Your words are indeed true.So, we should reinforce our tamizh community to face unavoidable challenges encountered thrugh Indian Government.
*It is very sad that our dravidian brothern (kannadigas,telugus and malayalis) never support and dreaming about fake world.They even dont have mouth to accept that their language is the offshoot of tamizh.On contrary they comment that ” our language is born out of sanskrit”,very disgusting to hear.Whether these hindians(northerners) acknowledge them..no way happens!.our brothern are unknowing expressing these false propaganda because (of the history designed by the Indian Govt) of poor knowledge of history.
*India is an imaginary word not a country.As per the world history all the countries small or big divided on the basis of language (primarily) ,ethinicity and religion.etc.Ancient Tamizh literature even has never spoken about united India.It always comments that Vadakinar and so on.Tamizh land has its own demarcation(boundary) mentioned earlier scripts ( attested by like Tholkappiyam).
*Hindians(Northerns) are very clever since antiquity.Hindians are pure business people want to wander india without any pain to realise easy money.They are the people with moto”No pains, more gains”.So ,they used the sovereignity to impose hindi all over India which will make a easy pathway for business communication.They are also further comment “Hindi is spoken by majority of indians”.It is an incrediable statement.If Govt introduces Tamizh as Compulsory subject all states ,then tamizh will also be spoken by appreciable majority.4 south indian states(except few places like Hyderabad ,bangalore and some of kerala ) & 7 north east states ,donot have any knowldge of Hindi even now!So,above statement is false.Hindi is not the native language of (H)India.Indgeneous (Pure Native language) of India is Tamizh .Even some north indians comment that “y u tamizh people not tolerant to learn Hindi ? y r not respecting the sovereignity of the nation? donot u have patriotism?
Just answer them by questioning that,assume british has joined india and china together during independence as a sinle country and introduced Manderin or Cantenese (chinese languages) as National language ,will u hindians accept just as mark of respect to patriotism,soverieignity and tolerance? never happens,because they are people of poor tolerance,These peope even stay at tamizh land ,never speak tamizh even after their settlement crossses a decade or more?so these hindians are people of por tolerance.Also, donot encourage hindians by speaking hindi especially inside our tamizh land.let them struggle and learn our language.For hindians ,we are always raavanas,asuras,or outsiders.Just they foolu and make money out of u ,they call the name of national unity but it is true wrd out of their selfishness.Even now ,tamizhian s donot be fools and fall prey to their complications.Even history has shown the real face of them during Srilankan war.Would they (hindian govt)show similar attitude ,if hindian settlement are enslaved and subjugated in Srilanka? attitude differs with respect to people,So innocent tamizh ,dont be ignorant.I believe tamizh nadu will prosper at the times leaves from the clutches of (H)indian.Hindia is only for Hindians,not for us.Tamizh nadu will grow withTechnology ,innovation and science at global level,only if tamizhnadu becomes seperate nation.
Vazha Tamizh…………….!
Vazha Tamizh Kudimakkal..!
Dear Abdul sir and all,
What you have written about the “Fate” of tamizhians are really true. Eventhough we have come to know reading the history of the nation that tamizh is the mother language of indians, we are wasting our time and energy to establish this fact.
Unnecessarily, we are arguing even now that which one is the oldest, tamizh or sanskrit. Very sad indeed!!!!!!
How cunning they are to have gathered all the knowledge from the tamizh language and created sanskrit and still now they are adamant about occupying the land so pure, and spreading rumours about gods to fool the people so innocent and they are calling us by names which they have created ONCE UPON A TIME during veda period.
Even after knowing that they are still with superiorty complex, the idiot indians are visiting temples to pour on them money. They have mixed poison in our milk like culture.
Welll said geeta (miss m)
Tamizh is the mother of all languages!
Sanskri is the corrupt form of tamizh .So called, sanskrit scholars have predated all (pali & prakrit literatures) sanskrit literatures to BC which may have belong to 7th or 8 th century AD.They are humiliating the innocent dravidians and others in the name of spiritualism and burying the prosperity of Tamizh…!
yes innocent dravidians are also targetted most of the time. it is true!!!!!
YES, vaazhga tamizh kudimakkal!!!! but what about “kudimakkal” i mean the drunkards who drink whiskey and other narcotic alcohol based drinks, families are suffering. Close all the liquor shops at once. They spend their salary buying these things and can be seen on the platform these days.
DONT BE HARSH. There would be more and more broken hearts if all the liquor shops are closed. So be lenient :) guys on platform infact find solace there not at home…you get that.
tamizhnadu a separate nation, our mother KUMA should take the decision. Tsunaami alert!!!!! :)
The original words in tamizh like
In tamizh———————-In Sanskrit
Suryan————————Surya
Chandran———————chandra or chanda in hindi
Indiran————————-Indra
Manthiran———————Mantra
Enthiran———————–yantra
Thanthiran———————Tantra
Sivan—————————Shiva
Only sivan was worshipped or we can say appreciated or admired in dravidian culture but soon after the arrival of aryans everything changed….so many Gods were introduced…..the glory and richness of a culture with purity was changed completely to satisfy aryans. They created all the problems.
Hinduism has been flourished for selfish purposes to mint money. a talented person was there once upon a time and he was given different names by the dravidians and later on he was made a “God” by the aryans. The exact meaning of everything is changed.
The truth is “Somewhere an invisible power exist”
We can not clearly say how does it look…..We are merely “PUPPETS”.
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YOUR ALL DEGENERATES MANUFACTURED BY THE BRITISH AND EUROPEAN UNTOUCHABLES.
FOLLOWERS OF THE ARAB CULT OF ISLAM. GO BACK TO THE ARABIAN DESERT WHERE YOU BELONG.
central asian (Ariyan or Brahmain)may go back to their respective homeland…!y r u denigrating a integrated atmosphere in Dravidian homeland?
so do not ever blame the british that they are reason for dividing people to rule india. Nature is still watching all. I think britisher are always having sympathy towards all who are suffering, old britishers must have told all the secrets to them i guess. yes!!!! only people belong to christianity and islam only know all the secrets.
Secrets means the ancient secrets. They both know very well that we dravidans are the worst affected.
Dear all.
First of all no one is “Brahman” in india if it gives the meaning to explain the “uppercaste arrogance”.
First of all “Indian” A muslim in india is also an indian. We should not talk about caste system here. A christian in india is also an indian. Muslim belongs to the religion “Islam” and Christian belongs to the religion “Christianity”.
No variations should be there in the society to degrade the people.
Tibetans are also here in india, chinese are also in calcutta for centuries. Gujaratis, Parsis and rajasthanis in chennai for centuries. Negroiod people in gujarat too. They are working for a monthly salary of Rs.3000/- there since the time of king of gujarat in junagadhTribes of Gujarat – RabarisTribals such as the Siddhis, Rabaris, Padhars, Mers and Bharwads live in the coastal Saurashtra districts of Junagadh, Jamnagar and Kutch. They work as casual labourers, cattle breeders and find employment in the ports.The Siddhis are known to have come to India from East Africa and have distinct Negroid features. The Rabaris and the Mers seem to have come from the Mediterranean in early times.
India is full of all culture and relgions and thats why it is called the “country of Secularism”. If to demean any tamizhian for the topic Tamizh or sanskrit would not be entertained in future.
The topic should be discussed and proof should be given to establish the antiquity the tamizhian should not be humiliated in future and whoever is supporting by evidances should not be treated as an enemy.
While drinking the water of thiravidian land one should know that the water is for all not for particular community. The fresh air is flowing for all not for any particular community with “superiority complex”. What we breath the same air is left for the people living nearby. Those who have black hair on head should paint it white if they keep hatredness for the black colour.
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Cunt.
Dont use the word “muslim” to defame the muslims.
Aryan has been talking against muslims for years and still it continues. I dont know what is their “problem”.
Dear,
In sanskrit the names of star are Tara, Sitara and nakshatra.
Tn tamil we say “Natchathiram…so the root word is here natcha+THIRAM…here comes “thiram” which became “tara” and chathira became “Sitara” in sanskrit and natchatiram became nakshatra by adding the sound “Sha”.
So, the root word of english word “STAR” is in tamil word “NATCHATHIRAM”.
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The word Naksatra is Combination of 2 tamizh words (Nasi+Taram)
Nasi- Nasi means ‘Azhi’ or nasukutal or destroy(English)
Taram: Taram derivative of the word ‘ Tula ‘ meaning ‘to shine’
Taram(star or planet which is shining) -Tarakai-Taraka(Sanskrit)
Nasi + Taram= Nasitaram=Naksatra(sanskrit)
Usually stars are considered to falling after life time such as meteors or other heavenly bodies.Falling star or ‘shining material falling after its lifetime.
Dear Abdul sir,
Thanks for the information. I think i could not explore the tamizh literature because of personal problmes in life. I do not have knowledge about english literature also. Only 2 years of study of MA could not provide me the whole culture of this world. I had the opportunity to study in english medium for 4 years only . (11th &12th standard & MA) I think i need more and more time to explore this world.
who is who??????
Dear all,
“Full moon” in sanskrit is POORNIMA
But in tamil is MUZHU NILAVU……so the English name “Moon” is from the tamil word muzhu+nilavu= mu+n.
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In Indonesian, POORNIMA becomes “PURNAMA.”
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Dear Zul,
First of all I remind you that buddism started in India and later on it was taken to other countries like japan, china, malaysia and indonesia. Magasthanis is one of the buddhists who travelled a lot spreading the religion buddism.
Though we have some words related to this “pura” in tamizh like “Puranam” (tale) Literally Periya PuraNam means ‘big literary work’ and the name given by SEkkizhAr was ThoNdar PurANam (เฎคเฏเฎฃเฏเฎเฎฐเฏเฎชเฏเฎฐเฎพเฎฃเฎฎเฏ).
We in tamizh culture have the habit of telling tales to kids by watching and showing the moon so that the kids eat the food properly.
Pura also means …to keep, preserve, protect, govern, bestow, reverence.
Purai means defect or error also.
We say theipirai and valar pirai….theipirai means the Thei+ pirai is the waning period of the moon from the Paurnami (full moon) to Ammavaasai (black moon). …Valar pirai is the waxing time of the moon from Ammavaasai.
We also say in tamizh “poorana nilavu (the full moon).
The sacred tri-strips (Thiru Namam) on one’s forehead.
So, the pura+nami …the stripes are white in colour because they are made of ash made by burning the cow dung. Nami must have come from “Namam”.
Nilama in tamizh is Blue Sapphire. So, here the “poornima” is from the word “Nilama”….nila+ma.
I think i have to go to the deepest meaning of ancient words.
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Muzhu mathi would sound better
Dear Abdul Sir,
Yes. “muzhu mathi” sounds two ancient tamizh but i was trying to connect between moon and muzhu nilavu..if you say continuosly muzhy nilavu without stop then this word moon comes…we also say nilavu another tamizh word for moon.
nila nila odi vaa…..
moon moon come fast…
It seems so many ancient tamizh words are lying deep in the ocean. Still mysterious. Poor people they did not have the modern technology in those days to preserve them all. I am curious about how many people died in kumari kaandam and also curious about any relatives of those who died in “Lemuria” Are they still alive in any part of India and do they have any secrets about the lost city of lemuria?
So, SUN, MOON AND STAR have connection with the tamizh words. The three important energy providers and symbols of divine nature for all the religions of this world
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i found relation between MuzhU Mathi (full moon) and Mohammadi…your religion give importance to moon..I may be wrong.
Tamizhians always become refugees not because of natural disaster but also because of atrocities man-made. we are made to live in this region forcibly. But it is good to mingle with the ocean, she is chaste always. Let all the sinners live happily forever.
Please visit the givenbelow site for the informations about the relationship between sumeria and indus valley.
http://sites.google.com/site/sumeriantamil/home
Because of population explosion, trade, desire to see new lands, war and destruction, enmity, poverty and pestilence, floods and deluge and such other reasons the Tamils of Kumari spread across the land in different directions.
After Tamil was sufficiently developed, the main direction of their migration was towards the North. The fact that Bengal has as its capital city KaaLik Koottam, a word in pure Tamil itself is an indication that in the ancient times itself the Tamils migrated as far as the snow clad mountains of the Himalayas.
Because Tamil was the natural language and the only one language for a long time there was no specific name for it, it was just known with the general name of ‘language’ as such. But as it spread across the Northern lands, it started changing and assuming new forms. Because of this the ancient Tamils called the North a land of changed language. It is only at this point the Southern variety was known as Tamil
When Tamil changed and became a branch language that was unintelligible , the word Tamizam also became Tiraavidam( tamiz > tamizam> tramiLa> travida. travidam. traavidam). And because of that the language that differentiated itself from Tamil came to be known as Tiravidam. Initially it was just a single language but in course of time multiplied into a variety of such branch languages. And because Telugu was the first such a language to branch off, it was called Vadugu ( a language in the North or of the Northern lands). Then it became vadugu. This word assuming the -am ending became also ‘vadugam’. This word ‘vadugu’ became ‘badagu’ in Kannada. We must note here that the tribal people living in the Nilgiri Hills and who speak a language that branched off from Kannada are called Badagar
It is only a branch of the Northern Dravidians who went further North West and founded the Sumerian civilization.
The city of Abraham dated around 2000 B.C. is said to be Ur. This word in Babylonian language means a township, a city etc. In ancient Tamil Nad , only large settlements in the agricultural areas was termed Ur. One of the beams unearthed in the excavations done in (Sumerian) Ur, is said to be teak wood from KeraLa. The initial ‘aab” in Abraham appears to be a variant of ‘appan’ a Tamil word meaning father.
Ur was the capital of Sumer. As a general name for a city it was wide in use in SumeroTamil literature. You can see this in Sirbiyam, MutarIbiyam, and Suruppak’s neRi that is currently being studied and serialized. Yes it is in the agricultural lands that Ur as a settlement and a city originated. Moral thinking and legal institutions also originated here as part of temple culture. You can see evidences for this in the Kes Temple Hymns of Enhudu Anna ( ~2200 B.C.) and the Suruppak’s NeRi). The name Abraham can also be derived from ab-ra-akam where it means ‘the one who came (ra) from the waters (ab-ba). In Sumerian we have both abba as father and ab-ba as a large sea. Abraham may เฎชเฏ a descendent of Ji.usudra, the hero of the deluge. Saivites retain this memory as the TONi Appar, the Old Man of the Boats.
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In 1960, B.B. Lal of the Archaeological Survey of India wrote a paper in the journal Ancient India. It carried a photograhic catalog of megalithic and chalcolithic pottery which Lal compares with the Ancient Indus script.[9] Ancient inscriptions that are claimed to bear a striking resemblance to those found in Indus Valley sites have been found in Sanur near Tindivanam in Tamil Nadu, Musiri in Kerala and Sulur near Coimbatore.
Dear all,
About Siddha
Siddha system of medicine is a form of a traditional medicine system which originated down south. Siddha means achievement, which was attained by Siddhars. They were saints who were mystics and are credited for developing and forwarding the system of Siddha medicine. It is believed thDat there were eighteen Siddhars in total, who are also referred to as the enlightened souls. The Siddha literature is also written in Tamil and is mainly practiced in Tamil speaking regions of the country and abroad.
The Siddha System is largely therapeutic in nature and its origin can be traced back to the birth of human race on the planet. According to mythological and historical beliefs, the initial home of mankind was located in the temperate and fertile regions of the East. The human race started its culture and career from here. India for that matter of fact can also be regarded as one of the first countries in the world, from where the mankind started its journey of evolution.
Moreover, this wondrous land was primarily inhabited by the Dravidians of whom the Tamilians were the most prominent. They were also accredited for being one of the most developed civilizations which ever dwelled upon this planet. However, even at that point of time a dominant segregation was visible between the North and the South regions of India. For instance, Sanskrit presided over North while Dravidian language was predominant in South. This holds true for the science of medicine as well.
Like Ayurveda was prevalent in the north, Siddha was flourishing in the south. Owing to its antiquity, the origin of this system is attributed to the Creator himself. As per traditional tales, it is deemed that Lord Shiva unfolded the knowledge about Siddha to his divine consort Goddess Parvati. She in turn passed it onto Nandi Dev, who eventually handed it to the Siddhars. Nevertheless, Saint Agastiyar is accredited for founding the Siddha system of medicine. His works on medicine and surgery, still serve as standards among Siddha medical practitioners.
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Whoever created this world whoever was the first human race….a miracle shall happen one day to tell about Tamizhians!!!!!!!!
About Siddha, the ancient tamiz medical practice.
Varma treatment
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Varma is a separate science prescribed by the siddhars. According to siddha science there are 72000 varma in our body. In the Varma texts, like โOdi Murivu Sari Noolโ, there are 108 varma points in our body.
A varma point is a place was life force is acting. If it is hurt in a particular manner and with force, signs and symptoms develop according to the site of the point. If these signs and symptoms are not set aright within the stipulated period, death will occur. So these are emergencies, which can be called orthopedic emergencies according to recent medical science specific physiotherapy was indicated for each type of varma. . In fact varmakkalai, as it is called, is the forerunner of now popularly known โacupressureโ. Because varmakkalai , is like a two edged knife it was not taught to all and sundry. Hence its popularity waned even though the art itself is well preserved and practiced by specialists to day. Varmam speaks of circulatory system of physic. As treatment it is used to repair blood blockades in body .As self โguarding method it teaches of impairing blood circulatory system. Varmam is like a junction where several blood vessels meet .If you know from where the particular blood vessel comes and to which part it goes then by properly attacking those junctions you can cure or create disease at some other points in the body. Thus it is a double-edged blade. There are 108 such junctions identified in the body.
There are mainly three different types of varmam namely
1. Thodu varmam
2. Padu varmam and,
3. Thattu varmam.
In addition internal medicines were also indicated. Varma science described the various kinds of fractures, which occur in the body and their cures.
This science seems to be the basis for the different types of martial arts like KALARI, JUDO AND KARATE.
Plenty of martial arts of tamil siddha or secretly practiced in the KANYA KUMARI area. At there plenty of varma treatments are held by varma asan (master). All varma roots only we see at this place only. All un known symptoms and diseases are only cure through varma treatement.
Dear all,
Kal thonri man thontra kalathay mun thonri mootha kudi”- a second century literature- means when before stone became sand in earth the tamil tribes were formulated
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Taken from net.
“Thevanayap pavanar” started his career as English teacher went on reading English formation and at last he found tamil was the origin for all the languages in the world. He started the roots formation guided by Maxmuller / Galduwell.
Doorvaja Banthgae (Hindi) โTheruvasal poththungaโ (tamil)- โKathava Moodungaโ (another dialect)
Doorvaja Kolagae (Hindi) โTheruvasal Thorangaโ (tamil) โ Kathava Thirangaโ (another dialect)
Yahang Aav (Hindi) โEngae Vaaโ (tamil)
Kithap patna(Hindi) ‘Puththakam padi’
Tamil started with suttu oligal / vowels.That is a,e,u . โa,e,i,o,uโ are vowels as you know by English. These will have a, aa, e, ee, u, uu, o, oo,i apart from ae, aae, av, ah sounds which were present only in world ancient languages. In this โavโ and โahโ sounds were predominantly in ancient languages.
All suttu oligal have meaning only in tamil not in any other language of world.
These suttu oligal formed extension in words.
Expanded words shrinked and tilted in its form formulating new dialects / new languages.
These shrinked words donโt have vowels at the beginning. But have consonants of later origin.
Tamil only can claim the root words since most of the Sanskrit words never start with vowels.
For example : Eravu โ Raththiri
Eravu has โIruโ root . This root formed the words โerumpu, irul, Irukku, Iruppu etc.
Tamil consonant starting words also have root in vowel starting words.
โSankuโ โ sam+ku – โSamโ is from โAmโ which formulated the word โambalamโ where Am and sam has same meaning โclubโ.
You talked about common origin. If there is a common origin where is the common origin ? No symptoms of common origin prevalent in India.
You must understand Tamil history is related to world history. Hence talking tamil history shall not mean talking against any language / race.
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The above given informations taken from net.
Dear Mantra,
Though there are so many Anglo-indians in india and converted christians during british rule most of the christians today in india belong to the backward class. They could not tolerate the fact they are neglected in the society and they are given the name “shudra”. There were cases in kerala several years before that the temple priest had not allowed the backward class people into the temple. They could not tolerate the humiliation. When their heart was full of pain, Christianity came as an effective “balm” for their woundings.
They asked the question when “God” is for all why they are not allowed into the temples. Thats the reason why their mind had gone towards the relgion christianity. Evenafter spending money for the Hindu God…God does not grant them blessings. Who makes diversity among people…..it was only the priests of the temple.
So many christian mission used to and even now they give monthly relief money to the christians. It helps them to some extent get away from their life full of poverty. Would hindu temple give them money?
No hindu temple give money to the poor people. If they put the money in the “Hundis” thats over..they can not get it back after some time even if they could not afford to get three time meal. Gone is Gone.
We have similiarities between the three major religions, saivism (hinduism), christianity and islam. The religious spot whatever it is …should follow simplicity and discipline. I think we dont provide the hindu people who are in despair the relief and life full of comfort
But the christianity is providing the poor christians with money.
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Taken from net ……
Tirupati (Andhra Pradesh), May 24,2010 (ANI): The Tirupati Temple in Andhra Pradesh has for the first time deposited 1,075 kilograms of gold with the State Bank of India (SBI) owing to security concernsThe interest rate offered by SBI is one percent for three years, 1.25 percent for four years and 1.5 percent for five years.
The temple annual income which was Rs. 37 lakhs in 1945-46 rose to 9 crore in 1970-71 to Rs. 23 crore by 80-81 and then toRs. 108 cr. (90-91) and touched all time high of Rs. 300 crore during 1997-98 By the end of the millennium TTD is expecting its income to touch the Rs.350 crore mark.
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Evenafter crores of rupees are showered on the temple by the public i think Andhrapradesh is still facing ‘NAXALITES’. Recently Kanchi Sankaracharya donated a crown worth Rs.2.5 crores to the Tirupati temple to decorate the Lord. What is the use? He said that it was the money collected from the (people of tamizhnadu (obviously) devotees that helped making the crown. We tamizhilians would have been the happiest if the money was used to remove the poverty of Andhrapradesh. They are also humans. We dont treat them badly. It is the duty of the temple authorities to help the poor mass.
I think i have written enough.
Bye.
Dear all,
We would like to ask Why recently S.V. Sekhar went to meet Rahul Gandhi?
What was the reason?
What was he discussing with him?
Now, Rahul Gandhi is in chennai to ask the tamizh actors to join the politics….does that have a connection with “Spiliting of Tamizhians”?
I know a foolish tamizhian is crazy about actors and they are always ready to build a temple for the famous actors. very very funny!!!!
Do they still want to make all of us fight with each other and die?
Innocent people never use their “brain” they are very very emotional, thats why so many people are exploiting these days.
Terrorism or any other sort of violence in the name of religion or caste or creed is objectionable. No one is supporting killing a woman by stoning or cutting one’s head off. Very very barbaric. No one is supporting a muslim terrorist with a BOMB. We already told Abdul sir to teach their youngsters to follow peaceful methods.
The whole INTERNET is talking about aryanisation from the beginning to present day customs and terrorism of muslims, sikhs, LTTE, maoists and naxalites of all sorts. There are so many topics written about all the religions which are exploitative in nature and cheat the public. U can find out.
I think people are “frustrated” about so many things.
Where there is IMPURITY tamizh can not survive.
If it would be ever “Dead” let it sleep under the sand.
AN EMPTY VESSEL ONLY MAKES NOISE.
Niraikudam koothaadaadu.
I think i am wasting my time making efforts to keep the antiquity of tamizh.
I wish the three oceans should engulf all of us tamzhians at the earliest so that we can go peacefully from this place full of corruption vulgarity and people with superiorty complex.
Let us medidate for the blessing “Death”. We would be all silent in the graveyard and sleep peacefully.
JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED.
U wrote
“So being good or bad depends on the situation u live and it doesnot depend on the language u speak or the caste u belong to”
Again and again why the term “Caste” is being used”
All belong to the HUMAN RACE only. The way of worshipping is different. The religion should not exploit the people and humiliate them.
If you go to visit the sentinel tribes of Nicobaar region they wont allow you in…because they want to live a peaceful life. They know humans would harm their nature of living.
The sentinels dont have caste and religion and they are LIVING.
The only island on earth which does not have human made castiesm and religion is the NICOBARI ISLAND. They are the best examples for ‘DIVERSITY”.
Even today …i write about this year “2010”, so many DALIT people are suffering because they are neglected and made to experience the humiliation.
No one was protesting when Later Prime Minisiter of India, Rajiv Gandhi was sending the Indian Army to kill the tamizhians in Sri Lanka…you write about DIVERSITY and you write also that TAMIZH is the PRIDE of India.
ya… i accept ur point… but u cant say oly brahmins are spreading diversity… see, even people belong to BC( sorry for using this word) wont marry a girl or guy from MBC/SC….See the diversity starts here.. not oly brahmins, in all type of area diversities are there.. I used the word “caste” becuse of u oly.. i dont care about castes..
Dear Mantra,
Thanks for your comments. Today so many people are donating blood and it helps a lot of people during accident cases.
The hospital authorities dont ask for caste before taking the blood from the nerves.
Those people who care about caste would change after 10 years.
I hope so.
they wont allow.
you the creator of all problems..hell with you!!!! When God was creating you beside him satan was also sitting. God was innocent. God only know how to hold the sand so tightly, he was keen about his job but satan was diverting him at that time. God did not fill up but satan did. God also made both good and bad humanbeings only to test them all.
Sorry, there was a mistake while writing.
MEERA JASMIN, the actress was NOT ALLOWED inside the temple of LORD AYYAPPA because she is a CHRISTIAN.
When people were writing the name ARYAN no one came to protest but only the name BRAHMIN was used they come.
So, what is hurting after all?
It is hurting them because they could not again impose upon people
that brahmins colour is white, vaisyas’s brown, kshatriyas brown and shudra’s black.
Who are you to divide the people in the name of caste system?
Who gave you the authority?
Did you ask your elders before talking about DIVERSITY why they are still using the terms they created to split the humans?
There are shudras white in colour in northeren india but the colour of a brahmin in south india, is brown or black here. Could you say that he is a “SHUDRA” just becos he is black?
Even we tamizihans do not know the exact name of AGATHIYAR who wrote the grammer of tamizh but u people are writing even the names of his father and mother and he was a native of Gujarat. Even today a brahmin can not pronounce the tamizh words correctly and you say that a brahmin had created the tamizh grammer…..
We tamizhians do not try to talk the tamizh in its purest form but you people are trying…. it shows that it is a “foreign” language for you.
When you do not know the ‘ANTIQUITY’ of tamizh just do not comment about that.
There was an incidant last year the malayali actress MEERA JASMIN was allowed to enter the temple LORD AYYAPPA. Because she is a CHRISTIAN. Before converting her religion she was a “human” belong to the dravidian race. What is her fault? Instead of appreicating her desire to visit the temple you people made a controversy. It shows even today the brahmins always split the people in the name of religion and caste. WHERE WERE YOU THAT TIME? ASK MEERA JASMIN.
Just try to mingle with all the tamizhians.
again i am trying to tell u one thing… Even christians wont eat the prasadams given in hindu temples… hindus will go to churches… but mostly christians wont come to hindu temples… so i cant say christians are the reason for diversity…. got it? Our government give us full rights to follow whatever we choose… I like gandhi so i am following him, if some one likes subhash ,i cant say he is bad… Hope u understand!
Generally humans are full of all kinds of emotions, love, hatredness, sympathy etc.etc. when they are not treated as humans and not given a space to sit in the holy shrine what is the use of that God and shrine? God never stops them only selfish humanbeings. Do not talk and indicate the religions, christians, muslims, hindus, sikhs…just think about their emotions. Thousands of sikhs were murdered in india said to be the place where all kinds of religious thoughts emerged, what kind of lessons or morals those hindus learnt from their holy scriptures, what made them the animals and kill them for no fault on their part. Those murdered were all innocents, parents, kids all “brutal massacre”, muslims were murdered, tamizhians are murdered. These matters are very very serious.. How can people change their colour so easily? When you would talk about killing of animals for having feast, would you also sit and think about killing of humans by humans in a cruel manner? In orissa, a christian father was burnt alive some years before…We got a call from orissa from our manager Mr.Satpathy telling about the murder. I spoke to him too in delhi full of shock….i do not want to relate the uncontrolled flood later to create the natural destruction in orissa thereafter with this. What kind of discipline we see in india? we are heartless.
I want you to be “human”. you hate all but not the brahmins who were the real creators. We are all suffering because of them.
Light shows “God”
Darkness shows “Satan”
Wisdom shows “God” that is “Formless”
Fear makes “God”
But people are in need of a “Form”
But It does not show its “Form”
STOP SEARCHING.
The matter is over.
THE TRUTH IS THAT THE EXISTANCE OF A
“SUPER NATURAL INVISIBLE POWER”
Thats it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sivam
Dear all,
In this recently released Vijay’s song (Tamil film “vettaikaaran”) why sanskrit words had been added. who was responsible for adding these words? Did vijay know it before? Who were the people responsible for mixing sanskrit in tamil song? Who is the music director?
In the beginning as well as in the last para of the song, the sanskrit words are coming (listen to the song)
It would mean that “RE-ENTRY OF ARYANS” in TAMIZH LAND again.
Do not ENCOURAGE them in future. BEWARE!!!!!!!
Puli urumudhu puli urumudhu
Idi idikkuthu idi idikkuthu
Kodi parakkuthu kodi parakkuthu
Vettaikaran varatha paathu..
Kola nadunguthu kola nadunguthu
Thudi thudikuthu thudi thudikuthu
nalakolaikuthu nalakolaikuthu
Vettaikaran varatha paathu..
patta kathi pala palaka
patti thotti kala kalakka
paranthu varan vettaikaran vaamararin kootukaran
nikkama odu odu odu odu odu odu
odu odu odu odu odu odu odu odu
varan paaru vettaikaran
Puli urumudhu puli urumudhu
Idi idikkuthu idi idikkuthu
Kodi parakkuthu kodi parakkuthu
Vettaikaran varatha paathu..
Kola nadunguthu kola nadunguthu
Thudi thudikuthu thudi thudikuthu
nalakolaikuthu nalakolaikuthu
Vettaikaran varatha paathu..
Yaarivan yaarivan yaarivan
Antha aiyanaar ayudham pol koor ivan
Irubathu nagangalum kazhugudaa
Ivan irupathey ulagukku azhagudaa
Adanga marutha una azhichuduvan
Ivan amilathamondu thanam pudichiduvan
Ivanoda nyayam thani nyayam
Athu ivanaala adangum aniyayam
Podu adiya podu, podu adiya podu
Tangaru tangaru tangaru tangaru tangaru tangaru naa
Podu tangaru tangaru tangaru tangaru tangaru tangaru naa
Puli urumudhu puli urumudhu
Idi idikkuthu idi idikkuthu
Kodi parakkuthu kodi parakkuthu
Vettaikaran varatha paathu..
Kola nadunguthu kola nadunguthu
Thudi thudikuthu thudi thudikuthu
nalakolaikuthu nalakolaikuthu
Vettaikaran varatha paathu..
*****Ashadhoma shargamaya dhamasoma jyothirgamaya
Brithyorma amirthamgamaya om shanti shanti hee*****
what is there in using sanskrit words in a tamil song? it comes under Indian languages only know.Y u r using English? U r allowing a Language(English) from a people who made us to be slaves for more than century… But U wont allow sanskrit ah? If every one start to think that their language is the best, Thats It.. sanskrit is one of our India’s Pride like Tamil… Under stand that…
I know WHO YOU ARE.
Stop torturing “TAMIZH” please. Leave us alone.
Like all languages “Tamizh” innocent, the people who use it for selfish purposes are not “INNOCENT”.
We had enough. You know that.
According to me, everything in this world has both pros and cons.. Its upto us to choose which we want.. I am a tamizh orator.. Tamizh is my mother tongue… i love my mother more than any other languages.. But still i am giving respects to the other languages too… Understand..
Dear Mantra
“Thayir siranda koyilum illai”
No temple is as great as a “mother”
Its good to know that you respect your mother a lot.
When i sing a song in hindi i want to immerse into it knowing the meaning. Eventhough i could not understand the real meaning of hindi song when i was a kid i used to appreiate. Without knowing bengali language i like Robindra Sangeet, without knowing the meaning of our national Anthem “Jana Gana Mana” people give respect to the song all over india. Language does not know partiality. It does not show any barrier.
We people only want to create the barrier and rule the region. I know so many brahmin elders are suffering in the “old Age Homes”. They only curse their children. Even so many customs introduced by an aryan are not acceptable in their own community itself. “Tonsure of Head” is one of the examples. It was abolished later on. Tonsure (cutting the hair of a widow after her husband’s death) They only created this custom and later on it was abolished.
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Human Rights and Culture – Issue 23
FOR PUBLICATION
AHRC-ART-024-2008
September 12, 2008
Sati – Brahmin Annihilation of Widows – Chapter 5
This chapter proves that Sati was a result of Brahmin oppression and cruelty. Initially introduced by barbaric Aryan invaders, the Brahmins enforced it upon the non-Brahmins in order to confiscate the properties of the non-Brahmin widows and to exterminate non-Brahmins races so as to establish an ethnically cleansed `Brahmavarta’.
The Aryans, upon their invasion of India ca. 1500 B.C. introduced the horrific custom of sati, ie. the burning of a woman after the death of her husband. When performed singly it is referred to as sati, when performed en masse by all the women and daughters of a town in anticipation of their widowhood (eg. when the men were to fight a battle against all odds), it is known as jauhar. It is sanctioned by their most sacred texts, and was practiced from the fall of the Semito-Dravidian Indus Valley civilization to the modern age
The Vyasa Smrti gives one of the two alternatives for a Brahmana widow, ie. either to become a sati or to take up ascetism after her tonsure [ Vyasa Sm. II.53 ] [ Sm.S. p.362 ] [ 1200, p.67 ftn.136 ].
No brahmin woman it seems lost her life following SATI but surely she had to perform “Tonsure”.
I hope like tonsure and sati other cruel customs would also be abolished as a humanitarian efforts.
I hope no person would be called brahmin, vaisya, kshatriya and shudra….all can perform or do all kinds of jobs…all are talented.
i really do not understand “you”….what is your problem after all?
why did u erase the tamizh words in kancheepuram temples? answer me. Go and delete ur sanskrit and make our tamizh mother live.
Kutraalam is the well known south indian fountain with good qualities of herbs in the mountain,
About Kuttchalaam……kutt+chalam
utrAlam, it is actually ‘kuttAlam’ which means a ‘waterfall’. (kuttu = erect, Alam = water) …
Here, the word chalam refers to water.
In sankskrit the word jalam refers to water so the brahmins have taken the word “chalam” to make “jalam”,
In urdu, “Zam” means the flow of perennial water coming out of various springs.
So, that was the similarities between tamizh, sanskrit and urdu.
bye
Dear all,
Written by sajeesh on net malayalam song it goes (remember this was written way back in 1972)
Manushyan mathangale srishtichoo (humans created relegion)
Mathangal dhaivangale srishtichoo (relegions created Gods)
Manushyanum mathangalumdhaivangalum koodee (humans, God and relegion)
Mannu panku vachu manassu panku vachu (divided land and hearts)
bye
Dear all,
http://pasug.blogspot.com/
Before writing about the similarities between tamizh saivism, christianity and islam i could see some same thoughts written on the above website given.
In tamizh we say,
Eesan…………Sivan
In English they say
Jesus but in tamizh we write Eesaa or yesu…
Kanya kumaari …kanya means unmarried, a chaste woman
Virgin Mary………..again means the same.
Whatever the history of this earth and its evolution, we can see similarities between religions of this world.
TAMIZH……Than+mozhi……i think it is ….thaaanagave vazharntha mozhi…means the language which came into existence on its own without depending on any other language.
see you all
AMMA means mother in TAMIZH
cow will say AMMA .
These will prove that TAMIZH is mother of all language
Thanks a lot Jackel.
A cool breeze.
cow is also a marine animal, when it was coming out from the ocean it was mooing..thats what i guess made the tamizhan to call the water ku,ma. That is why the cow is also called as kumaatha in tamizh. Cow the english word has been formed from “kumatha” or “kauri” (gauri in hindi). “kumaatha” is the ancient word but later on changed but even now used in tamizhnadu.
This is what they say about the owner of sind civilisation.
http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/blogs/delhi_tam_bram/80-we-really-brahmins.html
So the point being raised is if we are doing enough to attain brammam to call ourselves a brahmin.
For instance i used to think i was little incomplete as a brahmin because i was never in TamilNadu and felt i was practising the faith lesser than the local folks here. But now when i am in Chennai, i feel I am so much better off than at least the Chennai Brahmins who are so devoid of even human traits. I am currently so disgusted with the brahmins in Chennai that i am introspecting myself as a brahmin and how i should safeguard the sect.
In fact i ask for su-budhi to all Chennai Brahmins in light of the blighted people they are. In fact they are like slaves to the Vaihyas and Shudras ruling the city.
YES. TODAY THE 18th Monday, 2010 is the day of “REVELATION”.
From the beginning itself, the aryans (the nomadics) had the habit of humiliating the thravidians and their flawless custom and rich culture. The south indians tamizhians,telungus, kannadigas and malayalis who opposed them had to come to the south end of india from the “sind region”. Those who wanted to remain there later on had to loose their originality and they had to heed to their command. The aryans changed their entire culture from language, dress code and even their BLOOD.
Even after having the whole of northern, eastern, western india by criminal tresspass…they could not be satisfied and they again wanted to capture the whole south india and so these blood suckers followed us like a DRACULA and still they are dominating to mint money. We most of south indians had been forcibly evicted from our mother region SIND.
The reason of poverty of india is brahmins because they are cheating in the name of God and religion. So many corruptions are happening because of aryans and their corrupted forcibly pushed customs. These customs are creating criminals day by day. And criminals are not born they are made.
Be hopeful always!
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Dear all,
I see lot of similarities between the tamizh and the urdu name..
In tamil ‘MARIAMMAN’…..mari is rain(water) and amman (mother)
in islam “MARIAM”………it shows the word might have gone into ISLAM.
In Tamil we say “MAARI AATHA” the goddess (parvati….par means world and ati means rule….the one who rules the world…the root meaning the power of water)
In sanskrit the word “MATA’ means mother it might have gone to make the English word or may be it was taken directly from the tamizh word to create “MOTHER” (MAARI AATHA) in english.
Maari aatha…..aa-tha …. “aaa” means unavu (food) thaa means give……….unavu kodu….give food….(“aaa” also use to make some one to open his mouth….we tell the kids to open their mouth while feeding…..aaa kaami………am i write?
So, the ancient tamizh people had been worshipping water and the sun simultaneously to give them food.
THE IMPORTANCE OF ‘MAARI'” is explained.
May be the word “SUN” in english was taken from the tamizh word “SURIYAN” …….
It seems to me the meaning of each tamizh word has a deepest meaning inside!!!!!!!!!
Dear all,
The description of โmummฤriโ โ three rains in a month – is given in Tamizh treatise โvivฤka cintฤmanฬฃiโ, verse 26 as under โ
26. vฤdamลdiya vฤdiyar kลrmazhai
nฤซdimannar nerฬฃiyinuk kลrmazhai
mฤdar karฬฃpudฬฃai mangaiyark kลrmazhai
mฤdamลซnrฬฃu mazhaiyenap peyyumฤ
Here below the word “MUMMARI” means 3 rains in a month….it shows that the word “mari” was again refers “water”….So, water has been so far given importance in the tamizh literature and the river especially the water is the main energy and it was compared to the female gender ie…a woman …thats why there is a god by the name “MAARI AATA” the incarnation of Goddess Parvati….names may be different the “Saka thee” or Shakti….in tamil the emobodiment of fire. Thee in tamil is fire….
now, i have seen the names “MARY” in English literature as well as “MARIYAM” a word in Islam also…details given below taken on net.
“In the Qur’an, no other woman is given more attention than Mary. The nineteenth sura of the Qur’an is named after her and is, to some extent, about her life. Of the Qur’an’s 114 suras, she is among only eight people who have a sura named after them. In Islam, she is generally referred to as Maryam, Umm Isa (Mary, the mother of Jesus) or Syeda Maryam (Lady Mary).[citation needed]
Mary is one of the most highly-regarded women in Islam; there are several verses in the Qur’an praising her and confirming that she was an extremely chaste and pious woman”.
Umm Isa (Mary, the mother of Jesus)…here in islam “UMM Isa” is written in the hinduism the another name of parvathi wife of sivan is written as “UMA MaheshwARI”…….So, these are the similarities i have found in TAMIZH, CHRISIANITY AND ISLAM about the word “MARI” or “MARY” or “MARIYAM”.
Do you people get any clue?
Think deeply.
bye all.
“mariam” is no one but “maariamman”. The water or rain goddess.
Dear all,
I never thought my curiosity about the letter “ku” would be a matter of discussion on the net……..hehehe…….see below the website.
http://sites.google.com/site/sumeriantamil/kumari-sagkam-in-sumerian-texts
bye
Miraculous Recovery of the lost “tevAram” hymns
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The great temple-builder King Raja-Raja I (985-1014 A.D.) had also a desire to unearth the tevAram hymns believed to be lost or hidden somewhere except the few that professional singers in some temples remembered. Once he heard about nambi-ANDAr-nambi, a little boy of a village near Chidambaram, whose devotion was considered so great, it was said that the vinAyaka idol of the place yielded to his request to eat a dish of rice offered by him. The King had this boy located and asked him about the whereabouts of the lost hymns of the Saiva samayAcAryas. Back came the reply that the hymns lay in a locked room in the western prAkAra (corridor for perambulation) of the Chidambaram temple under the seals of the hymnists themselves. The King used his authority as well as some imagination to recover the hymns at the place indicated but the whole thing was a heap of palmyra leaves (OLAI CHUVADI- tamizh verses written on palm leaves…an ancient form of writing on palm leaves, Even agasthiyar NAADI KANIPPU – Foretelling of facts were written in palm leaves ) under a mound of ants. At that time there was heard an aereal voice declaring that whatever was recoverable should be enough for this era.
What was recovered was probably
384 out of a supposed 10,000 hymns of Sambandar,
312 out of 49000 of Appar,
100 out of 37000 hymns of Sundarar.
This is how the now well-known tevAram hymns were discovered. Raja Raja I had thus made the greatest contribution to the growth of Tamil literature. From that time onwards the hymns are being sung in all Siva temples of Tamil origin by professionals trained for this purpose under benefactions made by successive generations of kings and philanthropists.
Siddha medical practice it is of dravidian origin is also traced to mythological sources belonging to the Shaiva tradition. According to the tradition, Lord Shiva conveyed the knowledge of medicine to his wife Parvati. The knowledge was passed from her to Nandi and finally it was given to the Siddhas.
The word Siddha denotes one who has achieved some extraordinary powers (siddhi). This achievement was related to the discipline of mind and its superiority over body, and was accomplished through both yoga and medicine. Thus siddhars (practitioners of Siddha) became the symbols of psychosomatic perfection and so the Siddha medicine became a combination of medicine and yoga.
Siva is also worshipped in the form of known as linga. In Tamil language lingam also means cinnabar (mercuric sulphide) also, and that cinnabar forms one of the constituents of a composition (astabandha) used during the installation of divine idols. Traditionally cinnabar is the source of divine energy and possesses the creative principles.
One of the Siddhars of Tamilnadu, Ramadevar, says in his work on alchemy (Cunnakandam) that he went to Mecca, assumed the name of Yakub and taught the Arabs the alchemical arts. It is significant that some of the purification processes and substances of alchemical significance are common to both Islamic and Indian alchemy.
A true meaning of a great culture got corrupted by the ever cunning and selfish nomadics named Aryans they only say that they are all (once upon a time came in) “CARAVAN”. (group of people who used to travell together in the old days using animals like horses or camels. I dont know which animals they were using while invading into india.
Very very interesting to go to the PAST and know about ARYANS…..the mystry is still now their exact LOCATION. No one is able to tell about their exact home…………..very very mysterious.
me going …….have a great day all of you….
Dear all,
About “REVELATION”
All we Indians especially Hindus know that the worship of LINGAM is prevalent through out india and most of all the hindus know the meaning of it.
BUT………….the fact is actually the Lingam is nothing but the “MORTAR and the PESTLE”.
Mortar …..a hard bowl made of stone or clay in which something can be ground (crushed into powder).
Pestle ….is a heavy piece of stone that is used to crush (break up) a solid substance into powder.
Dear all, ……..Sivan was a “Siddhar” and he was the first one to find out the “Siddha Medical Practice”…He was while wandering in the green forest collecting various medicinal herbs and he was researching them. He was using the mortar and pestle to crush the herbal leafs and the roots and other medicinal things.
But, the aryans made these medical equipments as the male and the female organs of the human body and made the mockery of the whole facts……Even now archeologists dig out so many lingams this infact shows that the ancient people were worshipping these two medical instruments made of different chemicals. So, to humiliate the whole “Saivism” the aryans thought of giving wrong meaning to the very HOLIEST AND DIVINE culture which was away from selfish and crooked minded people. The aryans never wanted the dravidians to be disciplined and cultured. They have mixed poison in our very rich culture.
The Mortar and the Pestle and the river SIND have great connection with other. The siddhars are of 18 they were all famous…..but there were so many siddhars practising siddha medical system in the past as well as today. But very few Indians (most of south indians only) only know about the glory of ‘SIDDHA MEDICINE’. The north indians do not know that the founder of Siddha medical system was “Sivan” … The call him “Shiva” because of Aryans Sanskrit …..thats all!!!!!
In South India, especially in Tamizh Nadu only this medical system is somewhat famous and no one is caring about thinking about its glorious past…………nothing to say……….
RELIGION SHOULD TALE ABOUT THE DISCIPLINE NOT ABOUT FOUL AND NASTY THINGS.
I should admit and accept the truth that i did not know the real form of sivan, he was FIRE.
Dear Abdul Sir and all,
I am sorry sir. I wrote your name wrongly. May be i was thinking about the Great Moghul Emperor “Akbar”. History also says that he married hindu women also……so, our whole northern India now is full of all people with dravidian, aryan and muslim blood. They are all part of this India only……..We should not fight with each other. So far, Tamizh nadu has been the state of Secularism and we embraced all cultures and all religions with open arms.
Vandavarai vaazha vaikkum tamizhagam…means those who entered tamizh nadu would be welcomed and it would make them live…..but why do we opposs aryans is another matter to be discussed.
But, I think the religion Islam has been so far calm in Tamizh Nadu and most of the hindu women goes to the mosque after 5.30pm to get the blessings of the muslim devotees after their namaaz to cure their children affected by illness or any other health problems. It is believed soon after their namaaz the elderly muslim men have the blessings of the super natural invisible power that surely treat the illness of various kind. I dont know whether in other parts of india people are following this custom in mosque. But i myself has gone to the mosque to get the blessings. I believer of Dead Spirits as well as Reincarnation. But i am not so obsessed about these matters. I had personal experience also.
Re-birth the concept itself is a great thing to be taken for discussion. 8 years before a the spirit of a canadian poet made me write some few words later on i came to know that it was the title of the poem written by a canadian poet…she was a tormented soul before her death and in the same book i could also find out a whole chapter written about recarnation. What do i write? You people would make me one day go to the past..
Take care Abdul Sir.
Dear all,
I would come up tomorrow with a “revelation”.
I want the whole SINDUISM or SAIVISM to be the purest one away from all evil hearted people.
Some words of tamil day today use are found in sanskrit. When these words are seen, tamil pandits get inferiority complex and instead of finding out that root they term this as sanskrit derived words.
Thulaparam-thulai+param= weigh balance+weight
Darshan- theriyanam-therisanam -darshan
kaariyam- karumam-karmam-kariyam-kaariyam
pasu- pas in sanskrit means rope. All think cow is controlled through pas so pasu. But pas is from pai-pasai-pasu a tamil root.Pai is the root for pachai and pal(milk)
Shakshi- satchi(santru)- satshat is very often used in stories written by sanskrit influenced writers
Visumbu- visuvam
palam- valam
dayai- thalarvu-thayavu
prachanai-problem- prazhchanai
Sigichai- Sikizhchai- Tamils pandits use ‘panduvam’ for sigichai thinking that sigichai is sanskrit word.
vishayam- vidayam
osti- uyarthi-osaththi-osti
Juram(fever)- suram=sur+am-suru+am. ‘surunguthal due to heat’
suraththal,suranduthal,suriyan are from this root.
Pashana- pasanam- paichanam- pai is the root.
nirupanam- niruvuthal, niru/uru is the root.
patcham-pakkam
elakkam,elakkiam- elatcham,elatchiam
giri-kiri-kuri means malai. kurichi,kuravar has same root.
Suththam- suthai+am – Suthai a name for ‘sunnambu'(white/clean).
Asuththam might have evolved in sanskrit since equivalent opposite word forming might be difficult since sanskrit is artificial language.
For example, abaram-baram-param-varam(since ‘v’ is not in sanskrit) -varai+am, varai(border),Compare varayarai & var(belt).
Therefore abaram(-ve) means borderless-excellent in meaning.
Not only words.Sanskrit Grammar also is from tamil. We can conclude sanskrit is the northern replica of tamil. Sanskrit vedic religion is tamil adapted religion.
Inthran is eulogized in vedhas.
Inthran/varunan= inththu=im+th+u- Im and U are suttu words specified the water/cold water of river. varunan=vari(alai) again a name for water flowing/sea.
The same inththran was god of masses when tamils turned agriculturists. The same inththran was turned sivan later.
The god of water based/agriculturists was inththran. That is why
some of the castes of tamilnadu called themselves inthrakula katthiriyar(Shatriyar) and inththrakula vellalar.
Karikalan celebrated ‘inththra vizha’ in kallanai. Silapathikaram talks about inthra vizha.
Sanskrit adapted this caste system/ideology.
Sindhu the river name means the same cold water flowing.
Kangai,the river name is formed with the root ‘kankai’ which means light heat.
If the above concept is followed a significant breakthrough in tamil-sanskrit combination will be invented and the myth that sanskrit is all in india would be broken into pieces.
Dear all,
Singer : T.M.Soundhararaajan
Lyrics : Subramaniya Bharathi
Sindhu nadhiyin misai nilavinilae
chaera nannaattilam pengaludanae
sundharath thelunginil paattisaiththu
thoanigal oatti vilaiyaadi varuvoam
(manasithi neekoasam madhukada neekoasam
mamathaa vaedhaa maayani mathukaasam)
gangai nadhippuraththu goadhumaip pandam
kaaviri vetrilaikku maarukolluvoam
singa maraattiyartham kavidhaikondu
saeraththu thandhangal parisalippoam
(sindhu nadhi)
singalath theevinukkoar paalamamaippoam
saedhuvai maeduduththi veedhi samaippoam
vangaththil oadi varum neerin migaiyaal
vaiyaththu naadugalil payir seyyuvoam
(sindhu nadhi)
This song of Poet subramaniya Bharathiyar tells that our civilisation started from SINDU…but the poet did not mention that TAMIL was their language…..was there partiality? Whoever use the tamizh language do not accept its origin and show their loyalty to the land…..was it because of the fact that we did not allow their created SANSKRIT to flourish in our thiravidian land.
See you all
Hai Miss M,
I am Abdul Not Akbar.
hi miss m
Bharathiar is also a Brahmin.. can you say he is bad? Like wise in all castes good as well as bad persons are there… Understand that..
i know all fingers are not the same.
I had been singing the songs of bharathiyar in my school days.
I wrote about corruptive tamizhians also. But why the importance about aryanisation was written ……the reason is the “SCAR”. It cant be erased from minds of people. It is still fresh.
They had already killed the emotions of so many people and they are trying to get up slowly.
A shoe monger today is sending his son or daugher to school to get education because no school…..especially a non-brahmin school does not ask about his CASTE…..but only the religion.
I am happy to see the happiness among poor people.
u kno what? They still now use the words “vaishyas and Shudraas……Elders teach youngsters to follow their rules and customs.
We can tolerate the torture but “TAMIZH” can not tolerate.
bye……..
You are always seeing the one side of the coin.. i accept all your points.. Even I dont like to use the word shudras.. It will be eradicated soon.. i know.. i have the hope too… But remember one thing, being polite and giving respect can change anything in the world.. I am a follower of gandhi.. Just be polite in ur words… as its a public medium..
Dear Mantra,
Your word MANTRA is nothing but MANAM+THIRAN….manam means the mind and thiran means the capacity.
It is used to call the people who are magicians also.
Maaya manthiram……then only it is mantra in sanskrit.
I think abdul sir would explain the word mantra better than me because he is a scholar of so many languages.
We were polite always. But when hey started to abuse a Tamizhian on net just because of the topic “which one is old tamizh or sanskrit”, then we had to leave all sorts of peaceful methods.
No one is SUPERIOR. No one is INFERIOR. All are of human race. Only we humans only made all sorts of divisions.
If you go and call a person “Shudra” …can you imagine how much of pain and humiliation he experience. Its like breaking his hearts into pieces.
I can give you examples of so many people who are called shudra and they dont want to shed tears because they dont have tears in their eyes.
Now, i think i made you understand why was i writing about brahmins. We are not against brahmins but their views about brahmanism.
We are not against sanskrit entry into tamizh land but before that you should make sure that people wont be exploited and tamizh wont be humiliated because TAMIZH CAN NOT SPEAK TO PROVE THE FACT THAT IT IS ONE OF ANCIENT LANGUAGE FULL OF ANTIQUITY.
u were humiliating tamizh, how do u expect me to be polite? u snatched the whole place, our kankai, our arithuvaaram, our imaalayam, ur unique way of mixing the poison into the bowl of milk. We did not know how to fight with you. U made us the worst affected. Because we had been asking you questions. You were sending them all to the graveyard. Are u God-fearing? Yes. you will be the god-fearing because you are doing sin again and again.
first of all, you should understand that all the fingers are not the same.
Dear Akbar Sir and all,
After reading some of the facts regarding INDUS VALLEY CIVILISATION and how our dravidian people were made to run away from their own home land to different parts of SINDUSTHAN and how their originality was spoiled and how much pain they had been carrying in their heart and how much struggle to eat and sleep in their own land, i am really sad because i did not know the real facts so far. Only for past few days only i had been able to study some of the origin of indus valley and the dravidian culture.
Thiraikadal odium thiravium (treasure) thedu
this above given sentence means “cross the seas and grab the fortunesโ
I think our thiravidian land was full of treasure thats why it was named after the tamizh word “Dravidian”. But since the arrival of Aryans we had to run from pillar to post and even to migrate to foreign countries for SURVIVAL.
Thiravium means treasure in tamil then i think the word ‘DRAVIDIAN’ should be “‘THIRAVIDIAN”. (a person who belongs to the land full of treasure) Am i correct?
So far the internet has been helpful to me for digging out the past and be knowledgeble. But some crooked minded people are using this facility to defame the tamizhians. We the south indians are fighting here not knowing our glorious past. I think so far we have been facing so many suppression in the name of colour, language and our nature of worship in the past.
I know those who oppossed sivan started VAISHNAVISM against SAIVISM, and the followers vaishnavism are Iyengars in tamizhland.
The iyers who follow the saivism along with dravidians were not ready to mingle with dravidians but they wanted to rule the entire SINDUSTHAN. This is the fact. My natural instinct only helps me so many times to gather informations.
Even now we are not against anybody. All should be GOD FEARING. Because i know a super natural power invisible is watching us all.
see you all later on.
Taken from for the readers.
http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/current-affairs/2309-politics.html
Making a Mockery against Brahmins became a fashion by DK based parties like DMK Since the past 60 years.
In the Film,” Sabhapathy” of those days a dialogue will come, “Brahminargal Sappidum Idam”. Instead of writing like this, a wrong meaning as,” Brahminar Kaal Sappidum Idaam”. Here it means, “Toddy”.
Our community ancestors including respectful Rajaji never condemned these sort of Nasty dialogues in Cinema.
Slowly that sort of culture developed….
As soon as DMK comes to power in 1967,”Poonal Cutting Incidents ” became a regular occurance by DK.
DK used to propagate on stages against Sanskrit,saying that it is a un-understandable language,at the same time those DK and DMK will never speak about Arabic system of worships on Mosques.Those ****** are Non Belivers of God.
In olden days,Christians used to come daringly in all agraharams and propagate Christianity in Brahmin Prodominent Streets with Mike and Loud Speaker.As they have the indirect support of Rowdies and DK,and DMK people ,and all our ancestors are soft cornered they kept silence in the issue just as ,”Dogs may bark while caravan Passes on”.
After the influence of ,”Bharatia Janasangh” pro BJP during 1980s this Rowdism was stopped to some extent.
This was because ,Jana Sangh (old BJP) started to critisise Christians and Muslims simultaniously. I am sure all our people who crossed 60s by now will definitely admit this.
Last edited by KRS; 24-07-2009 at 07:13 AM. Reason: Offensive language
Yes it is true that Telugu is derived from Tamil.There are many words in common between Tamil and Telugu.But the fact is that the root of those words can only be found in Tamil but not in Telugu,hence the reason.For example butter is known as Vennai in tamil and Venna in telugu.While venna can’t be split further, vennai can certainly be split as ven(white)+nei(ghee).Since that ghee is more greyish than butter,primitive Tamils called butter as a white ghee(vennai).Similar is the case with the common word Vennila(moon).Vennila=Ven(white)+Nila(moon).Moon appears white when seen from the earth and that made Tamils add an adjective ven to it.Many more such examples can be given thus.
But anyway my Telugu is more sweeter than Tamil.
Dear telungu guy
Whatever language if tamil can be mixed then it can become sweeter and the sweetest.
Thanks for apreciating our dravidian language we are all dravidians and separated by regions made later on. We should all be united. No NORTH INDIAN, no SOUTH INDIAN no EAST INDIAN no WEST INDIAN….no WESTERNERS no EUROPEANS. We are all……since aryans use their sanskrit to cheat the whole universe we are protesting and we protest against sanskrit becos it is used to cheat people most of the time without guilty conscience.
I have to go with my telungu friend for shopping. Her name is padma.
bye…take care ….
Hello miss m..
If u don’t have sufficient knowledge about a thing, U r not the right person to criticize or praise that… First learn that… how can u say sanskrit as a cheating language? do u know fully about sanskrit.. ? You know how its originated? Try to substantiate watever u say! U simply trying to create problems between Indians.. Try to be an Indian..
Sanskrit has lost its “sanskriti”
First of all know the truth about Tamizh or please and dig out the ocean and find out the truth.
You can not go to the deepest of ocean.
bye
wat u know about sanskrit?
Reply for this..
Sanskrit is nothing but the northern replica of TAMIL.
I learnt this from abdul sir.
If you ask me what Russian or Arbaic is then i wont be able to give the answer…when i would observe and research those languages then only i can give the answer.
I have only so far researched the word “KANYA KUMARI” and QUWARI KANYA.
In tamil we say komatha (maadu) for cow in sanskrit they say Gowri in hindi they “gaay” but the origin is “Kanya Kumari”
The cow “MAADU” means the animal while saying “maa” shake his neck….so maa+aadu…..cow+shake……..I have to now explore the word “MILK SHAKE”.
i have work….bye.
First of all i want to be a HUMAN..not an INDIAN. I have seen all kinds of cultures and do not forget anything.
indian..ic, i dont think i am an indian, by the way, what the indian govt. is doing for tamizhnadu? Dont make me the irritated one. Understood. I want to be a human. Indians would feel proud when P.T.Usha wins the gold in the olympics or Dhanraj pillay(tamizhan) wins the game hockey, then they will call themselves, we the indians..they dont treat a tamizhan a tamizhan. Only during games, they are emotional and united.
I really appreciate the true words of Telungu guy.He is the best example for a Dravidian.We are all dravidians,we are all one.Just by geography ,we differ.I would appreciate ,if other dravidian may also ,come together to throw light about the Sanskrit’s injustice to Tamizh.Sanskrit has stolen all the words of Tamizh and manipulated the same with different tone.As like, Tharuthal(T) has become Dhaan(S), and Aan MAA (T) has been manipulated as Atma(S),like this we can quote n number of words of Dravidian origin borrowed and maniulated by Sanskritist.
hey friend…
Just think one thing.. In tamil We are saying Electron as Electron.. Like.. many scientific terms are taken from English and still we are using them as like… It doesnt mean Tamil doesn’t have the capability to create new tamil words for that… Like wise there will be some similarity between tamil and sanskrit… Thats it.. Pls Use dis arena to develop ur Positive and healthy attituides.. This is not the place to speak ill about other languages or other castes… Create a healthy India thats free from all these diversities…
First of all bring a positive balm for our SCAR.
And show us a bright future full of promise away from Re-aryanisation.
Give some years of hope and growth.
First of all remove the inferiority complex from the minds of the backward class people.
So many tamizhians died for the independance of india. Dont forget that.
Islam does not snatch away the hard earned money of hindus.
Christianity does not grab the money from the pockets of hindus. I talk about today.
you get that?
First of all, I think there should not be any topic like Which language is the oldest?
Tamizh or Sanskrit……….
If a tamizhian is copying the style of Rajnikant or any other hollywood actor then he wont mind telling that he is copying that actor.
If i copy the style of P.Susheela or any other hindi singer then i wont mind telling the facts.
Accepting is the virtue that would show our “broad mind”.
When no one especially those created sanskrit do not accept it then leave the topic even.
They are narrow minded and if it wont create any friendly atmosphere surround then it is OK …..be silent.
Life is also about struggle. Tamizh may die but Truth shall never die.
i hope you would change your people. But what about brain, it is keep on changing. whats the PROBLEM? after all?
hi abdul,
Dont mistake me for the thing that i am going to say!
In India most of the terrorists have islam names.. for that can i say all the muslims are terrorists? I cant, right?Now u can understand i hope…. In all the religion,In all the countries ,In all the castes bad persons are there…. If i am betrayed by a christian guy i cant say , all the christians are bad… and cheating people.. So being good or bad depends on the situation u live and it doesnot depend on the language u speak or the caste u belong to… Hope u got my point… Forgive me if any of my words hurt you!
I thought of you as a sanskrit professor and i was thinking so seriously also. misunderstanding is the one which makes people behave differently i guess. Before coming to this blog i had in my mind that there was a person called SIVAN in the past…. :) i did not know it was one of five elements almost representing all the 5 elements and banyan tree was also SIVAN… how childish i was to write that he wore the skin of tiger and he was a hunter…hhihihi
ABDUL 16. Oct, 2010 at 3:49 am # Tamil words :It is said that there are more than 400 Dravidian and Munda loan words in Vedic Language is there any direct Tamil or Kannada word in later Sanskrit Language,Some of the few are as ollows,
1. uN ->เคตเฅ เคฃเฅ vRuN, to eat
2. muLugu ->เคฌเฅ เคฒเฅ bul, to sink
3. kothi ->๎เคฅ เค kvath, to boil
4. tฤkku ->เคง เฅ dhฤ, to drink
5. changam ->เคเคเค changa, handsom, beautiful
6. pulam ->เคซเฅ ๎เคฒเคฐเฅเคเค phullarฤซkah, Place
7. ericcal ->เคเคฐ๎เคฏ irasya, anger
8. irai ->เคเคฐ เคพ irฤ, Food
9. iraivan ->เคเคฐ เคพเคตเคพเคจเฅ irฤvฤn, king
10.irai ->เคเคฏ
11. Eru ->เคเคฐเฅ ฤซr, to rise
13. uku ->เค๎เฅ uksh, to scatter
14. alagu (beauty)->เคต๎ เค เฅ valgu, beautiful
15. utavi ->เคเคฟเคคเค ลซtih, help
16. kanai ->เคเคฟเคจ๎ เคฆ kanikrada, to neigh
17.pila ->เคฟเคฌเคฒ เฅ bil, to split
18.putai -> bud, to hide
19. petan ->เคช เฅเคเคพ pลtฤ, hermaphrodite
20. pฤซlal ->๎เคฒเค เค plakah, Pudendum muliebre
21. vฤซsu ->เคฟเคฌเคธ เฅ bis, to throw
22.เฐตเฑเฐณเฑเฐฒเฑvellu ->เคตเคฒ เฅ Vall, to go
23.paravu ->๎ เฅ brลซ, to say
24. vaแธปaแน ku -> valk, to speak
25 vel (veluppu,เฏเฎตเฎณ๎เฎค Veluththu) ->เคต๎เคญเฅ valbh, to eat
26. kuRu-vฤr ->เคฟเคน๎เคฐเคตเฅเคฐ
Dear Abdul Sir,
Thanks for your genuine efforts and your hard work for establishing the facts about the past.
I think the word “Quari” itself i mean the original tamizh word “Kumari” made so many people to create new words. “Ri” was used to mention that the river was compared to the female gender……is this becos the word in english “RIver” Especially now, this “Ku” ….
kuaon in hindi means well,
kuwalai in tamil means a vessel to drink water
kudam a vessel to fill up water
kuliayal…to take bath
kulam…..pond
kutraalam….the fountain near tenkasi full of herbal value
kuarangu……monkey
kudirai………horse
kural…….voice
kudhithal…to jump
tc….no time
INSPIRATION near water (ocean, river, lake….water)
parappana, oorvana, nadapana….ellame thanneeril aarambam.
those are flying, crawling and walking both (“humans”) and “animals” came from water.
Did i write the above given details about “KU”? seriously i am asking? What made me write?
Triveni, the union of three rivers in Allahabad(UP), here also the “ven” (white) the tamizh is here, it seems the northeners, most of them who invaded had forcibly evicted our mother tongue tamizh and they are proudy about their skin and thats the reason we are facing problems today. Most of northners they only pray and chant but truly they dont have good conscience and they dont work hard and most of them i found indisciplined as far as moral character is concerned. They want “easy money”. South indians should not follow this they should follow their disciplined culture and tradition.
Thousands of innocent hearts are suffering in the brothels of mumbai for no fault on their part only becos of cunning, money-minded and fearless humans of india in general. They goes to temples and worship and have sumptuous feast at home. Hell with them all!!!!!!!
Sindh, as a western frontier of the South Asia, has always been exposed to the entry of migrants from Central Asia and the Middle East. The invasion of the Aryans around 1500 BC altered the demographic composition of Sindh forever. The Dravidians were the original inhabitants of Sindh and founded the prosperous Indus Valley Civilizations, which included the cites of Mohenjo-daro and Harappa. However, the arrival of the Aryans pushed Dravidian populations southward into the Deccan plateau.
The people known as Sindhis today, like most of the inhabitants of South Asia, are mainly the product of Aryan-Dravidian intermarriages.
miss m :
thanks for the nice informations..
i guess ur states are so true..
please continue telling about these infos..
Dear Vijay,
Thanks for encourging us. We do not actually exposing the facts that who we are….. because there is always a fear among people that the brahmins would begin to use cunningness to ruin our life…..they have been so far using their cunning ‘TACTICS’ to remove whoever asked them “questions” in fact they had been destroying all the people who opposed them,
They are very very poisonous……
I think even after creating a land of treasure (courtesy NATURE) and making it a globally known civilisation in SIND (was the word before “SIRANDA” in tamil it means the “fantastic or very good… i guess later on the word SIND came into existance) ….the thiravidians were made to move towards the south by the aryans and thereafter they had established a very large empire full of precious secrets full of mysteries and wonders beneath the ocean now most of them…..i wonder now about their WILL POWER, HARD WORK and DEDICATION….It shows their high spirit and their policy ‘NEVER EVER GIVE UP”…….I want to write a lot but i can not now as i have to do my duties at home. I
c you all.
Stop speaking about other castes… You are using this arena to increase the aversion against Brahmins.. No one has the rights to speak about other caste or religion.. Its illegal to speak ill about another caste.. Its illegal to use Internet to speak bad about Other caste and religion..If u love ur caste, thats good… But there is no need to slander about other castes.. We are Indians thats it. Don’t create diversity by your words.. We are the pillars of future India… We Should be strong enough to face the challenges… So Never Ever try to create Diversity… All are good unless or untill you huet them.. Thats the fact of life…
Its unless or until u hurt them…
We have been meditating and tolerating.
There is no need for “meditation” when the atmosphere surround is pure.
I talk on behalf of those women who lost their life in the name of caste and dowri and i write on the behalf of those devadaasis who died in the corner of their dark rooms.
First of all stop” HUMILIATING TAMIZH THE CHASTE MOTHER”. You are sitting under her and enoying the shadow, i mean she is the banyan tree.
do you know really the exact meaning of “HURTING”? You are fortunate enough to live in a place called tamizhnadu which was the reason for the birth of sanskrit? Accept the fact that you are the MOST FORTUNATE one.
First of all tell me the meaning of “HURTING”.. We are all hurt because “TAMIZH” is hurt and innocent tamizhians are also HURT.
sankararaman, a brahman opposed and they had sent him to the graveyard.
Meditation, renunciation, morals based on karma and equality were followed in the INDUS VALLEY CIVILISATION.
THE INDUS VALLEY CIVILISATION
People of the Indus Valley Civilisation (also called Harappan Civilisation after the major city of Harappa) were mainly farmers, although recent finds are indicating a well developed culture. Eminent scholars have concluded that the origins of the practices of yoga and meditation can be traced to the Indus Valley civilisation. An image of a human figure has been found that is seated in a cross-legged posture, hands resting on the knees and eyes narrowed – clearly suggesting meditation. Also, the wandering ascetic is frequently mentioned. These ascetics are said to have practised methods of mind training, to have been celibate, naked or clothed in the most meagre of garments, to have had no fixed abode, and to have taught a way beyond birth and death.
THE ARYANS
According to most scholars, the original Indus Valley civilisation was abruptly interrupted sometime between 1800 and 1500 BCE by an invasion of the Aryans (people from a region somewhere in Eastern Europe). These were warriors and traders, as opposed to the original population of farmers. After the middle of the second millennium BCE, Indian society became largely dominated by Aryan values. Many of the Aryan principles still dominate “orthodox Indian philosophy” and present-day Hinduism; such as the importance of the Vedic scriptures and the supremacy of the Brahmic class (origins of the caste-system). A simplistic overview of the contrast between the Indus Valley and Aryan culture is given in below table.
Characteristic Indus Valley Aryan
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Religious practice Meditation Sacrifice (to the gods)
Main practitioner Ascetic Priest
Purpose of life Liberation This life, then heaven
Focus in life Renunciation Rebirth as householder
Morals based on Karma Social values
Social position Equality Caste (Brahmanic)
Origin of Wisdom Own (meditation) experience Scriptures like Vedas
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The cause of commotion and confusion starts from the aryan race still make the people dig out the PAST………….
Dear all,
First of all, i would like to tell you that how KANNAGI was made to suffer.
1) Kannagi and kovalan both husband and wife were living happily.
The brahmins could not tolerate the progress of kovalan as a
merchant. Sin-1
2) By making Madhavi lure kovalan their PLOT starts and kovalan
fell a prey for their hunt. (they did injustice to madhavi for making
her a prostitute. Sin-2
3) They made kannagi live a lonely life as kovalan was spending
money for madhavi. Sin-3
4) By inciting the Pandian king to make kovalan a “THIEF”. Sin-4
5) To torture kannagi they made the king to murder him without
showing any evidence to prove that he was a thief. Sin-5
6) They made kannagi to go for “SATI” ( to make the widow to die
on the pyre with her husband) Sin-6
7) When she refused and showed her anger they could not
tolerate this becos a meek and homely woman was protesting.
8) That made KANNAGI the chaste woman to burn the city of
madurai to show her anger against injustice. Exaggeration was
indeed there to enhance the chastity of kannagi but in fact she
threatened the brahmins and the kings who tortured her to run
away from the burial ground of kovalan.
9) Kannagi showed the king the proof that her husband was not
a thief. The whole city of madurai knew that she was honest and
truthful and a chaste woman.
So, behind the whole real facts there was a BRAHMIN playing a foul game by introducing “PROSTITUION” the sin which is making the whole universe suffer.
The Sati System – Origins
The Origins of the Sati System
by Dr. Jyotsna Kamat
First Online: February 01,2001
Page Last Updated: June 15,2010
The Mahasati (the great Sati) or the Sahagamana (joint departure) system of a cremating the woman alive on the death of her husband is an ancient custom in India. Scholars of the Puranas trace the origins to the suicide of Satidevi in the Yajnakunda (sacrificial fireplace) of Lord Brahma, while a few attribute it to the pre-caste Vedic system of Indian society. In the Indian mythology of the Mahabharat, there is the instance of Madri dying on the funeral pyre of husband Pandu, leaving the children to the care of the first wife Kunti.
The feminists proclaim the Sati system as a cruel institution established by men against the womankind, while the lower-caste in India have felt it as another means of torture taxed on them by the upper-caste Brahmins.
How many customs the brahmins introduced in India to torture the innocent people of india? I need an answer.
Dear all,
About Kannagi a chaste woman in tamil literature.
Kannagi (Tamil: เฎเฎฃเฏเฎฃเฎเฎฟ), a legendary Tamil woman, is the central character of the South Indian epic SILAPATHIKARAM Legend has it that Kannagi took revenge on the king of Madurai, Pandya king Nedunchezhian for a mistaken death penalty imposed on her husband Kovalan, by cursing the city with disaster.
Kannagi or Kannaki Amman is eulogized as the epitome of chastity and is still worshipped as its goddess. She is praised for her extreme devotion to her husband in spite of his adulterous behaviour.
She is worshiped as goddess Pattini in Sri Lanka by the Sinhalese Buddhists, Kannaki Amman by the Sri lanka Tamils Hindus’ (See Hinduism in Sri Lanka.) and as Kodungallur Bhagavathy and Attukal Bhagavathy in South Indian state Kerala.[1]
It must be noted that Kannagi is also viewed as a brave woman who could demand justice directly from the king and even dared to call him “unenlightened king” (Silapathikaram: Vazhakkurai Kathai). The point here is that while she was behaving in a non-interfering manner with her domestic problems, she was no meek woman that would brook injustice in the rule of the law.
Dear all,
Prehistory
A sculpture at Airavatesvara Temple, Darasuram, built by Tamil Chola Kings. The group of monuments are UNESCO World Heritage sitesTamil Nadu’s history dates back to pre-historic times. Archaeological evidence points to this area being one of the longest continuous habitations in India.
In Adichanallur, 24 km (15 mi) from Tirunelveli (my father’s native place), archaeologists from the Archaeological Survey of India unearthed 169 clay urns containing human skulls, skeletons and bones, plus husks and grains of rice, charred rice and Neolithic celts, giving evidence confirming them to be of the Neolithic period, 3800 years ago.[10] The ASI archaeologists have proposed that the script used at that site is “very rudimentary” Tamil Brahmi.[11] Adichanallur has been announced as an archaeological site for further excavation and studies.[12] About 60% of the total epigraphical inscriptions found by ASI in India are from Tamil Nadu and most of which are in Tamil language.[13]
There have been more discoveries of the evidence of “prehistoric creatures” inhabiting the landscape of what is now modern Tamil Nadu in the shape of eggs of dinosaurs and other animals of their kind. Geologists in Tamil Nadu have stumbled upon a Jurassic treasure trove buried in the sands of a river bed. Sheer luck led them to hundreds of fossilized dinosaur eggs, perhaps 65 million years old, underneath a stream in a tiny village in Ariyalur district.[14] Researchers from the Salem-based Periyar University found clusters of eggs of what they believe to be the most aggressive Carnosaur and the docile, leaf-eating Sauropod at Sendurai village. While Carnosaurs were large predatory dinosaurs, Sauropods were long-necked, herbivores which grew to enormous heights and sizes.[15]
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Dear all,
All these givenbelow informations taken from the net only to prove the fact that before aryan invasion there was a spectacular city called PUHAR (poompuhar) and MANIMEGALAI my favorite of girl (womanhood character) of tamil literature who remained unmarried till death, she was serving the poor people holding AMUDASURABI a bowl which served the poor people continuously without stop….. She is known for her life full of “SACRIFICE”. She is to me a symbol of “renunciation of all earthly pleasures” lived in the ancient period.
The ancient city of Puhar was destroyed by the sea around 1500 years ago. Scientists speculate that this could have been the effects of a Tsunami possibly caused by Krakatoa 535 AD event. This tsunami is mentioned in the Tamil Budddhist poem Manimekhalai (see below), which relates that the town Kฤveripattinam or Puhฤr was swallowed up by the sea due to the Chola King not holding the annual Indra festival, (???????) causing the wrath of the sea goddess Manimekhalai.[1] This event is supported by archeological finds of submerged ruins off the coast of modern Poompuhar.[2][3] The town of Kฤveripattinam is believed to have disappeared in BETWEEN THE 3d and the 6th CENTURY.
But the writings and popularizing the Aryan language starts only AFTER THE 6th or 7th century AD, PRODUCTIVELY.
Dear all,
I know very well that all indians watched the film “Nayagan” it was the story of Vardaraa Mudaliar (Vardabhai) a real life Robinhood in the city of Mumbai (india) who had been helping the suffering poor tamizhilians in the city mumbai (Maharashtra) several years before. Kamalahasan indeed played the role very well. It is a well known fact that Vardhabhai was committing crimes for the welfare of the poor tamizh as well as people of maharashtra. In the film Nayagan the director MANI RATNAM IYER showed that the hero of the film Vardhabhai was killed in the last scene. In reality he was not killed but he came down to Chennai (Madras) when the police were searching him.
Ok, now ..it was not difficult for the mumbai police officials to nab him in chennai and arrest him. He was not arrested and his death was a natural one. Hiding these facts the director showed and cheated us all that he was killed only to please the ever cunning brahmins of tamizhnadu and also the brahmins of maharashtra and in fact he was inciting the people of maharashtra against tamizhians. Does he have a guilty conscience of betraying the native tamizhians, he was using the tamizh technicians for the film, he was using the hard work of the tamizh musician and he was eating and drinking in the tamizh soil while directing the film.
It shows how much hatredness they have against tamizhians and how much they want our tamizh people to die in a cruel manner. They have been snatching the hard earned money of tamizhians since ages even then they are not satisfied. If there is no law and order and no police and investigations are prevailing the population of tamizh people might have reduced to a larger extent by the criminal activities of the brahmins.
Behind a death of 10 tamizhians, 7 deaths are because of brahmins. They are always behind the murders and suicide cases. “INCITING” is a tool or say a weapon is used by the brahmins. Brainwashing and intruding into the family and knowing all the secrets and details they come out and they hatch a plot.
On the day of death of varadaraja mudaliar his dead body was taken from chennai to the graveyard in mumbai with honour….he was respected by the mumbai police officials and he was buried in the soil of mumbai that was his last wish. He wanted his ashes to remain in the soil of mumbai forever.
If Mani Ratnam happens to read my comments he should first of all go and pray that he has committed a crime of his life for portraying the life of vardha bhai by twisting the real facts.
Dear Miss m I agree with your thoughts word by word. Even today we lost our brothers and sisters in Eezham because of this brahmin cannibalism. They divide us by caste system. our common enemy is brahmin and brahminism.We john hands and fight against this terrorism. you have done a great job. congratulations to you.
Dear Vimalan,
Have you heard about “COCK AND COCK FIGHT” ….I have seen in the villages of tamizh naadu. People would clap their hands when both the cocks fight with each other.
In our case, the one who is clapping hands are ‘BRAHMINS”
bye
The only problem with me is that i am “ms.m”..i am not “miss. m”. I never wanted to miss my family my mother, sister and brother but destiny had something else for me. We can not stop our future you see. But, when i am alone sitting thinking about spiritual matters i am blessed i guess. :) I am not able to stop my continuous thoughts…they are coming in non-stop. When i am “ms.m” responsibilities of life reminds me about my personal problems and duties. :) I want to do a lot for the humanity but i am not able to. What i have written on this blog is enough. :)
Once again thanks a lot science blog :)
you are not ms.m u are mrs.m..keet it in mind always. Its ur destiny written :)
what is this miss, ms…what kind of mess you the Mrs?…I want to explore whatever comes before me..i am thanking tamizh for coming before me. She saved my life :)
thanks a lot KR. I hope you understand but you are responsible for kanyakumari to sit here on this blog, the fact is somewhere in my brain she was there sleeping thanks a lot for making her open her eyes. Today i realise you Mr.Kadar was only playing all kinds of roles. but i dont have any complaints. all are not same. believe this.
me not against anyone but brahmanism.
Dear all,
Not only LEMURIA (Kumari kandam) also dhanushkodi submerged into the ocean.
DHANUSHKODI is a town/village at the southern tip of the Rameswaram island, at the eastern coast of the Tamil Nadu state of India.The Dhanushkodi railway line running from Pamban Station was destroyed in the 1964 cyclone and a passenger train with over 100 passengers was drowned into the sea.
On that fateful night (December 22,1964) at 23.55 hours while entering Dhanushkodi railway station, the train No.653, Pamban-Dhanushkodi Passenger, a daily regular service which left Pamban with 110 passengers and 5 railway staff, was only few yards before Dhanushkodi Railway station when it was hit by a massive tidal wave. The whole train was washed away killing all 115 on the spot. All together over 1800 people died in the cyclonic storm. All dwelling houses and other structures in Dhanushkodi were marooned in the storm . The high tidal waves moved almost 10 kilometres onto this island and ruined the entire town. Pamban bridge was washed away by the high tidal waves in this disaster. Eyewitness accounts recollected of how the surging waters stopped just short of the main temple at Rameshwaram where hundreds of people had taken refuge from the fury of the storm. Following this disaster, the Government of Madras declared the town as Ghost town and unfit for living after the storm.Only few fisherfolks now live there.
A memorial erected near the Dhanushkodi bus stand reads as follows: “A cyclone storm with high velocity winds and high tidal waves hit Dhanushkodi town from 22 December 1964 midnight to 25 December 1964 evening causing heavy damages and destroying the entire town of Dhanushkodi.
Dear all, another city “Rameswaram” is also in the dangerous ZONE. Those who went to this city would accept my opinion. Today in this modern world, technology has improved so many literary works can be kept safely in the form of CDs and other possible methods away from the crooked minded people. In ancient time, there were no such facilities so it was very difficult for people to keep their work INTACT. Aryans knows very well that God wont come down on earth to reveal the FACTS.
Even if the spirit of Lord Rama comes down on earth to say that he not born in the place where the Babri Masjid was built, the aryans and those who support them for selfish purposes and innocent people as well would send RAMA away from this earth. The aryans would infact kill him by giving poison…..because today we have LAW AND ORDER and POLICE and INVESTIGATIONS are given importance. But, money can do wonders always.
I think tamil is the oldest language as it has proof . A large numbers of ancient documents like Silappathikaram,Manimekalai, Valayaapathy,Kundala Kesi mentioned that life thrived in ancient Tamil Nadu especially during Kumari Kandam.This shows that Tamil is the oldest language.
Dear Kailash,
Thanks a lot for your comments. So far, tamizhian land has been facing the wrath of nature and it swallowed so many people and their literary works full of hard work and glory. We can not dig out the precious works from the deepest ocean. Historians are in need of the facts and details of everything to prove the origin of a culture. It is a surprising matter that even after facing lots and lots of natural calamity tamizh texts of ancient time are still available. Otherwise, tamizhian would have to read the poems of present day poets only. BEYOND BELIEF there was an ANCIENT TAMIZH LAND and their excellent works had been submerged into the ocean. We can not make them now ALIVE. They are almost “DEAD”. No Lord Sivan would come to this earth to give us the proof. Thats why so many people of exploitative in nature are ruling this earth today.
Dear all,
Some of the tamil root words exist in north india given below.
Dr.R.Madhivanan says that his researches in Rajasthan and Gujarat revealed that the local people refer the dead and missing river as โQuari kanya โ. Quari became Gowri in Sanskrit and in Punjabi the word Gaur added as suffix, are all derived from Kumari, and the Tamil settlers not forgetting their origin had named this river as Kumari Kanya, after KANYA KUMARI, and thereby the so called Saraswathi riverโs name is Kanya Kumari river named from Tamil sources..
He also says in Saurastra, the Tamil settlers have named another river as KAVERI. He also says that if at all a mythical river Saraswathi had existed it flowed only in Afghanistan and not in India. The dreams of those who want to change the name of Indus into Saraswathi will receive the quake like hit and be smashed beyond redemption, putting an end to their futile exercise in renaming a globally known civilization.
Dear, still the research is going on to prove that the tamizhian culture had its glorious past…..
Please visit this given below website for informations about the aryans and their efforts to occupy the dravidian regions of India. Aryans introduced to the world, KAMASUTRA, PROSTITUTION, DOWRY (OR) DAHEJ (HINDI), CASTEISM AND SO MANY GODS
to rule India and now they are spreading(moving) to all the countries of this world…no no….universe.
http://www.nadarindia.com/nadarsIndusValleyPeriod.php
Dear all,
I got this given below informations on net for your kind perusal.
Nadars Through the Aryan Invasion (1500 BC – 600 BC)
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As a matter of fact there are some sections of people considering NADARS as Aryans. This confusion is the result of the political upheavals of this particular period. The exact nature of the Aryan attack or its nature and direct effects are not recorded anywhere. Aryans, as such are known to have their character of destroying the enemies and desolating the areas by cutting down even the trees and natural resources and burning them all, wherever they win their wars is known to the world historians (History and culture of indian people). The great Dravidian character of โPeace-Loving nature is known from its people, their philosophy and their religious principles of non-violence held high till this dates. The great Indus Valley Civilization is a good example to this. It is not possible to think that the Aryan invasion was done in a single day or in a single attempt. This should have continued for a period of time. It is also possible, that the Aryan people had tried to negotiate, persuade and win over the at least a section of the indigenous people to exploit their treasure of knowledge by alluring or by threatening and by using such forms of tactics. The invading Aryans are not known to have possessed any art of writing , if at all they knew, it, they would have transcribed all the knowledge of the Dravidians at least within one hundred to two hundred years, as the British had done in India, later. But the writings and popularizing the Aryan language starts only after the 6th or 7th century AD, productively.
So in the meantime, it is probable that the Aryans had at least some mixing with the indigenous people and this might have developed a new breed of rulers in the northern provinces and the major indigenous Nadans have receded to the southern regions in slow pace, finally reaching the most southern regions of their early ancestors in the later period of history. Thus we get a concentrated Nadar population in the Southern tips of Kerala and Tamilnadu State whereas their kindred groups are thrown scattered over a span of vast areas in the northern regions to the east and west. This becomes very evident when we analyze the history and ancestry of the rulers of the kingdoms like Kaikeya, Ujjaini, Bihar, Pataliputra, Takshila, etc., where the earlier Nadans were ruling before the Aryan invasion. These people are now known by different names because, as days went on, Aryans had the habit of changing the language system of that location slowly, to suit their politics, as they did at last in Kerala (16th century AD). Hence, by 600 BC the Aryans thought they could wind up with their monopoly over the aboriginals, but, never had a one hundred percent acceptation from the indigenous people. Those who have remained out of the fold of the Aryans, had established their kingdom in the nearby forests and also with their kindred groups in the southern parts. This period, reaching 600 BC is considered to be the end of Vedic age. As a matter of fact it should be considered as the โend of the uncorrupted Tamil Ageโ because it is only after this period that new implementation of the Aryan propaganda slowly taking shape, after slowly getting acquainted with the Dravidian Arts and Sciences (the process is not yet complete, but still continues in Kerala).
Dear all,
Today i am here with you all to say that brahmins are very much active in sending tamizh innocent poor girls to brothels of mumbai (india). They have been sending all these years getting help from the local people sometimes and mainly in the pretext of appointing them as servant maids at home and cheating their parents that they are sending their daughters to their relatives homes to serve as servant maids and they are in fact sold at brothels in india and in foreign countries.
I had this intuition even when i was at my school, those days also i used to observe them a lot. I dont have time now. Just be careful and please inform the tamizhians girls to be alert and SAVE them please……My heart is beating very fast and i am very much sad thinking about them.. So many died and so many are suffering and they can not get out of their life full of grief. So, whoever tamizhian reading this just help the innocent girls and educate them about this selfish world. Brahmins are still playing…some of them may be guilty conscious….
Dear Contributers!
I have gone through the remarakkable comments of everyone.It really shows your will power to reveal the true facts about the mother Tamizh and steps to establish the same.I solely beleive that ,we should make an international awareness about ‘Tamizh Mozhi ‘by transforming all the print text into e-text or online text of all existing tamizh literary works from antiquity to up to date respectively.I hereby recommend all Tamizh scholers to co-operate with technologist to preserve the language by uploading those literatures in cutting edge technology available in vogue.After a millenium ,we should not once again say that all printed text has got destroyed by human and natural barriers(i.e) like the story of palm leaves(oolai chuvadi).As per the comment of MSK I am ready to forward some e-copy of tamizh literary works.Interested people may drop your e-mail for the receipt of the same.My e-mail id:[email protected]
Dear all,
Whatever the skin colour…..hahaha…..no one is superior because of fairer skin and no one is inferior because of darker skin. Kashmiri people are fairer than people of bihar, utter pradesh or andhra or tamizh nadu. Punjabi colour is slightly yellow coloured but the kashmiri colour is rose coloured eating fresh apples and oranges in their cool climate. When i go to delhi (winter) or any other cool places like kulu manaali or shimla or ooty (tamizh nadu) and remain there for atleast 3 months i would get my fair skin again eating fresh vegetables and fruits and milkshakes and creamy buttermilk. So, if the nutricious food is one of the reasons for getting fair skin then why so many dravidians had not taken all these years, because all the statutes and posters of heroes of films are washed and cleaned by milk and curd, sandal and honey, crushed banana and coconut water and rose water….haha….so i think people should now open their eyes and use such nutricious products at home and become fair skinned.
In south india, kerala is a state with cool climate (full of greenary) and heavy rainfall, the state of karnataka also has greenary around and hasmoderate climate. Only Tamil nadu and Andhra Pradesh are the two states with hottest climate to make the people darker skinned or brown skinned and fair skinned because of eating nutricious food and sitting within four walls. haha.. So, we should not talk about skin colours and the race but the origin of our civilisation and mainly the deed of people. Partiality should not be shown.
We can not say now how the ancient people looked in those days. Can anyone say how exactly Krishna’s face was or how did anyone say Akathiyar looked like the image we have today. There are so many different faces of Lord Jesus i have seen… so many faces of Lord Murugan (son of sivan) i have seen. So, no one lived in those period is alive today to tell or show the exact face of talented individuals with miracles and noble service to the humanity.
We dont know even how Lord Rama (belongs to shatriya community) looked like….We all imagine and paint a picture …may be very few evidances made people to give a form to a personality so popular in those days… Most of the precious tamizh literature had been destroyed in ancient Ilangai (Srilanka) and also in ancient tamizh nadu. Aryans cheated the dravidians and ruined their literary works from the beginning to show to rest of the world that they were brilliant people and cheated south indians. Luckily these days dravidians of all state have opened so many educational institutions to stop the aryans from cheating around and exploit the innocent tamizhians, andhraite, keralite and kannadigas ….that too after so many years….hundreds of years of suffering.
I read ur previous post’s.All of ur post’s r very nice and informative.
Plz upload Tamil language books and Grammar in many sites(Esp in Torrent,study temple etc).Or give me some site link’s where i can download Tamil books.So that any one can learn Tamil.
http://tamil.cri.cn/1/more/965/ZTmore965.htm
See this blog how Chinese ppl are Propagating their language.
Dear MSK,
I am surprised to know that chinese people are feeling proud about their language and culture and through tamizh they want to explain about their country and the tradition. It shows how much they love their mother language. Beside showing love and affection for their country they should also embrace other cultures which has rich tradition and selfless love should be shown towards all the community around and TEMPLE RATS meaning the unwanted corrupted people wherever they are whether they are in the religion or among the public should be asked questions so that awareness can be created to stop exploitations surround.
There are so many tamizhians corruptive in nature they are the main reason for spreading poverty. All the people should be educated first of all so that they can open their eyes to know the minute details of anything. There are so many villages in tamizhnadu and the villagers are still illiterate and supersticious about so many things.
Darkness makes them feel afraid of the presence of “Evil Spirits” and the rumours that God should be pleased always by offering money and sacrifice of goats and other animals makes them sit in the same place and they dont want to go on the path of intellectual pursuit. Tamizhians exploitative in nature make use of their ignorance and keep them always the “uncivilised”.
Selfishness makes a tamizhian forget about his past full of glory. Where there is no UNITY there starts the process of DESTRUCTION. Nothing to say.
No, chinese are busy capturing lands to propagate their religion Buddism. They are crazy about it. They dont care about their language these days. Land is their main target. :)
Dear all,
It is believed the aryans came into india through khyber region. some written truth about the aryan invasion gathered from net from you all.
Brahmins started coming to Tamil region right from Sangam age in small hordes. But they were looked on as โexoticโ and โnovelโ people and also rare people. Thats why they were referred by ancient Tamils as โAriyarโ meaning โrare peopleโ which metamorphosed into โAAriyarโ. Now I hope it makes things clear where from this term originated. But these small hordes of people slowly started getting patronage from Tamil Kings and Nobles who were always in constant warfare with each other. The ancient Tamil practice of offering sacrifice to ancestor heroes( there used to โHero stonesโ..stones erected in honour of warriors who died for the sake of community..this practice in some or other form continues across Tamil region even today) sat well with brahminical practice of conducting โyagnasโ to please their gods as they claimed it can give victories in war. But the most important aspect of this early brahmin migration to Tamil region was that they got assimilated with the traditional bardic community of Tamil society known as โAndanarโ who were also known as โPulavarโ or โSaantrorโ. When old Tamil poems talk about โAndanarโ they mean this section of Tamil society. Now you can understand why most of Iyers and Iyengar who are Tamil Brahmins (they are different from Vedic brahmins..unlike vedic brahmins doing Santhya Vandanam or learning Vedas is not mandatory for Iyers n Iyengars get moksha) are not as fair as they are mythologized to be. Most tam-brahms are as brown or as dark as any other Tamil. Only a small percentage is โfairโ or โvellaiโ like S.V.Sekar or N.Ram. It is also a fact that even brown people get some kind of โglowโ in their skin when they eat โgheeโ and other nutritious food all the time and donโt do physical labour under burning sun for generationsโฆthat much for their โbeautyโ n โfairnessโ. The point is, pre-chola period brahmins were actually a Tamil community with little Aryan mix who had adopted some Aryan ritual practices. But Chola empire changed all this. As Chola supremacy spread into Telugu and Kannada regions(infact, Telugu and Kannada languages and identities had not even formed or taken proper shape by then in late ninth and tenth centuries) along with their spoils of gold and silver they brought Vedic Brahmins who were dominant in those regions and who had not assimilated much with the local populations.
Later during Nayaka period dominance of Telugu brahmins became atrocious and later Marathi brahmins also joined this crowd when Marathi Bhonsles captured Tanjore (Tamilnadu). One can notice that of all the โCarnatic Thinmurthisโ not a single one is Tambram and all of them composed their songs only in Telugu or Sanskrit. So, the question is when did Tambrams got to the top of all of them and get radicalized and โfundamentalizedโ. All these happened with the advent of British Colonialism and European intervention. While Macaulayโs education system targeted to recruit brahmins clerks into colonial administration was taking place Aryan supremacists like โDr.Annie Besantโ were radicalizing Madras Brahmins in a big way in an attempt to turn them against English rulers as she wanted to weaken English power back home in U.K so that her Irish homeland can get independence. Annie Besant and Theosophical movement did more to Tambrams (tamil brahmins) than what Arya Samaj and Brahma Samaj did to Bengali Brahmins. It made them to adopt and reap the benefits of modernity and its institutions and at the same time to take pride in their stinking traditions. Instead of weakening traditional exploitative and discriminatory systems like caste this โhybrid modernityโ- an unholy alliance of modernity and traditions reinforced it and helped the upper caste/class elite especially brahmins to isolate themselves and imagine and invent themselves as โUniqueโ โGenetically superiorโ people. To this day all brahmins are suffering from this kind of a โpsychological diseaseโ and making the Indian society to suffer because of them.
Devadasi (meaning: a woman who serves god) refers to a practitioner of the devadasi tradition. The devadasi tradition (เคฆเฅเคตเคฆเคพเคธเฅ / เฒฆเณเฒตเฒฆเฒพเฒธเฒฟ) is a Hindu religious tradition in which girls are “married” and dedicated to a deity (deva or devi) or temple.[1] Originally, in addition to this and taking care of the temple and performing rituals, these women learned and practiced Bharatanatyam, Odissi and other classical Indian artistic traditions and enjoyed a high social status. The devadasi system was outlawed in all of India in 1988.
Reformists and Abolitionists conceived of the devadasi practice as a social evil and considered many Devadasi to be prostitutes. The first anti-Nautch and anti-dedication movement was launched in 1882. “Their main aim was to do away with this system. Reform lobbyists were drawn mainly from missionaries, doctors, journalists and social workers. They urged the abolition of all ceremonies and procedures by which young girls dedicated themselves as Devadasis of Hindu shrines. They organized seminars and conferences to create a public opinion against the Devadasi system. In the later part of 1892 an appeal was made to the Viceroy and Governor General of India and to the Governor of Madras. This appeal also defines the position of the anti-nautch movement” (Jogan Shankar, 1990).
Recently the devadasi system has started to disappear, having been outlawed in all of India in 1988 [1][6] However, devadasis still exist in India today, as shown in a 2004 report by the National Human Rights Commission of the Government of India.[7] According to this report, “after initiation as devadasis, women migrate either to nearby towns or other far-off cities to practice prostitution” (p200). A study from 1990 recorded that 45.9% of devadasis in one particular district were prostitutes, while most of the others relied on manual labour and agriculture for their income.[8] The practice of dedicating devadasis was declared illegal by the government of the Indian state Karnataka in 1982[9] and by the government of Andhra Pradesh in 1988. However as of 2006 the practice was still prevalent in around 10 districts of northern Karnataka and 14 districts in Andhra Pradesh.[10].
Devadasis are also known by various other local terms, such as jogini. Furthermore, the devadasi practice of religious prostitution is known as basivi in Karnataka and matangi in Maharastra. It is also known as venkatasani, nailis, muralis and theradiyan [2]. Devadasi are sometimes referred to as a caste;
Traditionally the young devadasi underwent a ceremony of dedication to the deity of the local temple which resembled in its ritual structure the upper caste Tamil marriage ceremony. Following this ceremony, she was set apart from her non-dedicated sisters in that she was not permitted to marry and her celibate or unmarried status was legal in customary terms. Significantly, however she was not prevented from leading a normal life involving sex with individuals of her choice and childbearing.
“The aryans and their CUSTOM” and RITUALS….. May the Almighty bless TAMIZH NADU the dravidians and the dravidians of the world and all communities of this WHOLE WORLD.
Recently, i have seen the cinema posters in chennai a film about “devadasi”, the name of the film is “the story of a devadasi”, this poster was full of vulgarity, how can anyone watch such posters? The life of devdasi is painful and full of tragedy. They were made to do this profession, they were helpless, …..just to mint money, how can humans humiliate these poor devadasis?
Girls and women are always humiliated, because of money minded girls and women, the good ones are also humiliated in the society.
Everything meet up with an end. There is no end for “CUNNINGNESS”.
Alexander M.Dubyanskiy delivering a lecture on Tolkappiyam at the World Classical Tamil Conference in Coimbatore held this year,2010
Tolkappiyam is not dependent on Sanskrit sources and a work that demanded not only vast knowledge but also a lot of thinking from its author, according to Alexander Dubyanskiy, veteran Tamil scholar from Moscow State University.
The author of Tolkappiyam was a well educated person who used the works available to build a construction of his own and place the same in the mainstream Indian theoretical linguistic thought.
Besides, one should not forget that Tolkappiyanar described not an Indo-Aryan [language], but Tamil, a language of a different family with its own phonetics and grammatical structure Dr. Dubyanskiy further said that the authority of the text was undeniable. โIt is a literary and cultural monument of great importance.โ
I am sure the greatest works in tamizh would not be called as the work of some other to gain fame. We tamizhians were very very independant and besides our mother language we were so eager to learn other languages also in those days. Only after our “intuition” that our tamizh would be abolished we began to show our affection and attachment for our language. To ruin a language and its people is “CRIME”. A pure hearted person would never say thinking God that he was sent to this world to rule the people and “dominate”.
I dont know about the future what would happen but i am sure that Tamizhians would have to put lots and lots of efforts to survive and to keep his past full of glory.
Dear all,
Do you all know M.S.Subbulakshmi? She was awarded the BHARAT RATNA (2000) the highest award in India. Every lover of music knows her very well. I am also her greatest fan. The fact that MS belonged to the DEVADASI (temple dancers) clan which was pushed to the corner in the society long back. …. “Her mother was already a well-known MUSICIAN and her maternal grandmother was a talented violinist”. All belonged to the Devadasi clan, (created by the aryans for neglecting them in the society)
Now, if it is the fact that her father was Subramaniya Iyer, a brahmin then it is proved that he was not caring about marrying her mother a talented artist who belong to the devadasi clan, backward caste. So, …now who should be given the “credit” now for making MS the great musician ever of carnatic music. Her mother or her father?.
M S Subbulakshmi’s marriage in 1940 to T Sadasivam, a veteran nationalist, a brahmin was a major turning point in her life. The fact that MS belonged to the Devadasi (temple dancers) clan did not deter this young idealist from marrying her. So, they create the “Caste system” and they break their rules also.
A dravidian has in his blood the rhythm, the tune, the vibrations, the waves, on the whole the MUSIC in his blood since ages…He was inspired by the air, the water, the sky, the rain, the vegetaion, the animals, the birds the sun and the moon, the stars the whole nature and above all from God, the Supernatural Invisible Power.
Dont ever the spread the rumour that all the talented people are brahmins….GOT IT!!!!!!
Dear all,
First of all read what i have gathered from the net.
Traditionally, Agastyar is considered as the father of the Tamil language and grammar, and the royal chaplain (kulaguru) of the divine line of Pandiyan rulers. His treatise on Tamil grammar is said to have contained no less than 12 000 sutras or aphorisms. This may be seen in the story that Agastyar was specially sent down to the south by Lord Shiva himself at the time of His wedding with Parvati on the Himalaya. The north sank low under the weight of the crowding celestials while the south rose up, free of such burden, and the diminutive sage was sent south to right the tilt. Was it because at that time the south had forgotten its gods, or that the north had become too full of gods, masking the image of the single Absolute?
The above given details are given in a cunning manner to establish that Agasthiyar was a vedic sage and belong to the aryan race. I can now very well understand how the “reality” and the “true happenings” are converted, twisted and changed to establish that all the intelligent people are of “Aryan race”. The brahmin community has been using the internet facility to propagate the rumour that agasthiyar was a brahmin and north indian.
The FACT is that agasthiyar was a “south sage” who was a “Sivan Adiyaar” (the follower of siddha medical practice introduced by “Sivan” a dravidian, a tamizhian). Why would a sanskrit person would ever create the grammer in tamiz full of 12000 aphorisms. In fact Agasthiyar was a tamizhian and he learnt sanskrit for his knowledge.
Those who cheated Agasthiyar in those days were aryans and they could never conceal the “siddha medical practice” by their cunningness, the another name they have given to this medical practice is “Ayurveda”. Thats it!!!!
Mr.Abdul has learnt sanskrit for his knowledge but he is a muslim. If i ever would learn marathi or german then also i would be called a “Tamizhian” by birth. When i would go to learn german i would not “create the grammar” i would only learn what already exist in the text form.
I think the brahmins are spreading the rumours that all the non-brahmin people are “Brahmins” (the supreme one) to establish that only their community is full of brain and all of non-brahmins are fools and idiots.
When a non-brahmin would make all efforts to find out or create a new thing in life after shedding blood the brahmins would come to claim that they all are belonging to the brahmin race. Its like ” you non-brahmins make all eatable delicacies and inform me ….. i would come to serve and claim the NAME and FAME by telling that .. “i had made them all”. They want to say that dravidians are fools and aryans are the intelligent one.
All foolish people believe this and go and sit in the CORNER and DIE.
They would one day say that PERIYAR was a brahmin by birth because he was “INTELLIGENT”. Periyar was a native of PUNJAB and his parents were punjabis. I wonder from which place of this earth these aryans came to invade india. They are very very cunning to cheat this “whole world”. “kind of race”
What can anyone do? They are all after all “too much brainy” to change the whole history of any nation and the history of this “Earth”.
Dear Mr.Abdul,
Sorry for calling you “Aiyya” I wanted to give you respect beause you are a scholar of so many languages. I read your earlier comments also and i came to know that you are an expert of Sanskirt language also. I hope just becos of your spontaneous presenation of sanskrit and mostly you are TALENTED….it made me to call you Aiyya. people wont make you a brahmin..hehehe…even if they ever would make you a brahmin after 50 years most of the illiterate people are going to belive the rumour. It shows and very CLEAR how people are trying to claim and dominate even in this 21st century.
THOLKAPPIAR is a brahmin..how CUNNING they are still and i wont be surprised if JESUS and KRISHNA (belongs to Yadav community) would ever be called as brahmins. After 100 years they would make KARUNANIDHI a brahmin too. The legendary actor SIVAJI GANESAN is also a brahmin. very funny!!!!!!!!
The fact is that periyar never said that tamil is a kattumirandi language but he said definitely that whoever following a brahmin by closing his eyes and since tamizhian was foolish enough to believe everything in the name of religion (the whole world is full of kattumirandis) he could not tolerate this and said the “illiterate and supersticious tamizhian is a kattumirandi”…hehehe….so in this world whoever is following supersticiously a belief so exploitative in nature is a “KATTUMIRANDI”.
Sir, I am not a tamizh literature student. I feel proud to express in english ofcourse it is not my mother tongue and i should thank ENGLISH to express my emotions and inform this world that one should give respect to their mother tongue and they “SHOULD” not use their mother tongue to exploit the people. Sir i passed MA (English) while working in the clerical field. My favorite author is SHAKESPEAR only after reading his plays i found that this world is full of Godly figures as well as Satanic figures.
When God made this world he made the good hearted people as well as bad hearted so that people can have all kinds of emotions and struggles and victories. KALAGAM PANNATHAN UNMAI VELLUM. This proverb in tamizh is true but one should not use this proverb to take weapons. I think PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN SWORD.
I have my personal duties at home also. Watching you all.
Dear Miss M(Geeta),
I am not a Tamizh literature or Sanskrit or English or any other languages .I am just a Management professionals from Madras University working In New Delhi.Also,thanks for your kind appreciation .Besides,I have a very good experience of travelling extensively in South India(like Hyderabad,Trivandrum & Bangalore & southern districts of Maharasthra ) some parts of NORTH like Punjab ,Haryana ,MP & UP respectively.I feel surprised that whole northern India support the antiquity of Sanskrit and its (False)derivative Hindi.They even say “all the languages are born from Sanskrit.But foolishly they say that “Dravidians are staying in (H)india for before the Aryan Invasion or migration of Aryans into India”.So,they should accept the fact Dravidians(Tamizhians) are the original inhabitans of INDIA or Indus Civilisation.If Dravidians r staying then their language(Tamizh) sholud be surviving before their arrival.So,there are humpty of chances that sanskrit should have been developed in iNDIA AND which should be developed be younger to Tamizh(As per Aryan Invasion Theory -Max Meuller).If you happen to hear sanskrit words are quiet similar to Tamizh words such as ithi(S)-ITHU(T),Vithi-Vithi,Chintan-Chintanai,also Mantra-Man Tiram,Chitra-Chil Tiram,Tantra-Tan tiram,Entira-Eyanku Tiram,Kal-KAALAM,poomi-Poovi,Muk-Mugam etc.We can qoute N Number of (Tamil)words are in usage of Sanskrit.It is very pathetic to hear that people speaking Telugu ,Kannada and Malayalam ,exclaim that those languages are born from sanskrit.Though that using nearly 60% OF Tamizh words in their language.I dont know the reason for hiding the treat and creating false propaganda.
Dear super thinker,
If you are using our “kaatumirandi” words in your language then please make sure that you have removed them all after careful observation. If you could not stop your people using it atleast you should give it a “thought”. Do it at the earliest. Thank you.
Recently in a meeting in Nagarkoil Mr.Karunanidhi said that We are mentioning “Tamizh” and “Aryans” just because they have entered into our (nation India) and into our tamizh land otherwise we wont use the terms “Aryan”and “Dravidians” either. There wont be “need” at all. There wont be discussions about “Tamizh” and “Sanskrit”. First of all understand this fact. By the way, i want to tell you that we call a mother in tamizh “AMMA” and even the cow and calf both use our “Kattumirandi words” are you now ready to kill them too? i am sure so far you have been drinking the milk of cow and the having milk products and you have in your blood the word “Amma” too. Just donate your blood as a noble cause and pass new blood in your body.
I hope my comments wont be deleted even if they delete my comments i let all the fraudulent people to exploit this world. Who am i to support the poor people? I think all are “God fearing” and periyar the upper caste reformer was an “Ethiest:.
Dear Super thinker
I am sure you are not a “super thinker”. Have you not read my comments earlier.. i not only blamed the brahmins but also corrupt fradulent rich people as well as corrupt politicians. If you are knowledgable you may have witnessed how much people are cheated in the name of religion and God by the brahmins. If you want to follow them then follow you may be rich and support corrupt people. Every one should be good hearted first of all and guilty conscious and reform the society.
If you say that Tholkaapiyar is a brahmin then i am also a brahmin…how funny!!! you may say “Thiruvalluvar” , MaNikavasakar and Vairamuthu the great tamizh lyricist and A.R.Rahman all of them are also brahmins. After reading your comments it is clear that when a person dies after achieving a lot in the society the coming generation may be cheated in a well planned manner. Very good.. By the way why do u give importance to our language. Let us all tamizhians talk great about our people and our language. U appreciate your mother tongue, who stops you? I dunno even your mother tongue which state you belongs and why do you want to appreciate the brahmins who are exploiting the poor. Ok the name PERIYAR if it makes this much waves then he is ALIVE still and i wonder how great he was in his period and how much efforts and hardwork and burden on his shoulder to reform the society. He was indeed a GEM of person. He was HUMANE and GENIOUS.
By humiliating our language it is understood that you hate our mother and i also thank you for making efforts to come here and read our comments that proves how much you are curious about tamizh if it is not that much worthy you would never give a thought about peeping in to this page and before supporting corruptive brahmins make sure that you respect your mother and father that is very very important.
Who said periyar was a tamizhian? He was by birth a kannadiga who settled in tamizh nadu and he came to know about the cheating and cunningness of brahmins while working in the temple. He left the temple only after observing all kinds of cheating there. Had he been in karanataka also he would have been exposing the betrayal of brahmins in the name of religion and god. He was destined to be in our land and helped our people to use brain. Most of them dont use unfortunately and that helps the brahmins and they are using their innocense and exploiting them. This is the FACT.
Do you know one another fact? Buddhism and Jainism came into existance in this world after OPPOSING the aryans (brahmins) and their views. That does not mean that they can also cheat people in a selfish manner in the name of religion and their Lords. Whoever is cheating by the name of religion is a culprit and since our tamizh land has been witnessing brahmins and their trait of cunningness a lot as a well wisher its my duty to inform the people.
It seems to me after reading your comments …like me you also belong to the so called man made UPPER CASTE and make sure do not ever support the brahmins and also the corrupt officials if you ever face and also inform the society if you are a witness, If murder is a crime in this world then murdering the emotions of people and looting their hard earned money is also a CRIME. SNIP shall give the results surely!! wait and watch!!! you are going to be tortured by your own guilty coscience and it would make you gain WISDOM.
MISS.M
Sanskrit is not brahmins Language. laugh comes me if u say sankrit is Brahmin’s language. u just read what Great Ambedkar said about sanskrit.
see Brother ,valmiki ,kalidasan, Manu also so many Upanishads writers r not brahmins. if u say like that then Buddhists, jains also laughing then stomach ache comes for them.
who did betrays to tamil nadu.
what happend to kaveri ? what happend to periyar dam ? what happened to palaru? now who is central and state government. ur own leader karunadhi
MIss.M
from ur words u hate brahmins.
so some details i giveen. i ask ur friends and conifrms,
miss
Tholkappiayar is brahmin,
2:u hate brahmins, obviously u r follower of periyar.
u r die hard lover of Tamil language.
Periyar himself clamis he is kanndaian also said tamil is kattumirnadi language. If periyar is Tamilan, then brahmins is are tamilans
Brahmins are selfish .ok now corruption is prevalent throughout tamilnadu.most of the officals is non-brahmins. also ur great thalivar karunanidhi who betrays ELAM tamils.
Dear ST,
I am neither a follower of periyar nor karunanidhi. I only use my natural INSTINCT. I do not support any human being corruptive in nature. I do not hate brahmins only their “Cunningness” which has been the reason for so many poor people to beg. In fact poor people are begging outside and corruptive brahmins are begging inside the temple. NO DIFFERNCE. The brahmins inside are having clean body and the poor people outside are having dirty body the “need” now is to tell the outsider begger to go and have a bath and come. When a child born it is our duty to clean the body of the child becos it does not know what to do. If the “backward caste” people did not know about cleanliness in the past there was a need to educate them about cleanliness. I think they have changed a lot these days and they can now call themselves forward caste people and now they should go and make a temple of their and chant manthras.
Forward caste or the backward caste the main thing is the “DEED” karma (sanskrit) Seyal (tamizh) that matters.Do we keep the child out just becos it does not know about cleanliness. Its about EDUCATING AND REFORMING. By the way we have been all once upon a time monkeys and gradually we got our “civilisation” and came to know about the use of water and food and when the matter of “money” came all the people became crazy about it and its the reason why everyone is wanting to have everything to lead the life of sophistication.
Want of sex and money is not the only matter to be disccused. want of “LAND AND PROPERTY” is also another topic to be discussed. There have been wars and bloodshed in the name of occupying a land or region and still now people are “mad” about land and property. PeN (WOMAN), PaNAM(MONEY), and MaNN (sand or land) are the three main things in life who destroys an individuals life and the whole nation. May peace prevail everywhere!!!!!
I came here to look upon what people are writing and i think this forum would make me a “PHILOSOPHER”. hehehehehe
I guess i already wrote that a tamizhian against a tamizhian should go to HELL. And also, a HUMAN against HUMANITY should also go to HELL. I also know that all the communities have good and bad people. Each one if given chance would like to pull the legs and destroy. Treacherous world!!!! I always support poor and innocent humanbeings on earth who are supportless.
Periyar said that those who worship Gods are kaatumirandis. Because he realised after some time that in the name of Gods the innocent people were exploited. He was frustrated on seeing how the priests in hindu temples were looting the people. Though he was a God-fearing person but had to change his mind. What he did for the poor and backward class people can never be matched. But he could not achieve much here in tamizhnadu, BUT, he is still an INSPIRATION. still the people are uncivilised and barbaric and rush into the temples to pour the money for the crooked minded people who are actually cheating the ALMIGHTY, nobody is actually here to reform the people. Those who are saying they are the followers of periyar are actually cheating. Chamaleons. All want MONEY, MONEY and MONEY. You know what, when the brains of the weak minded girls and women are captured, NOTHING CAN BE DONE. The problems in the name of DOWRY, PROSTITUTION etc, would always make these women to stay in the temples. Cunning cusoms created tactfully to make them all grief-stricken FOREVER. Stone and rock made Gods are here to STAY. EXPLOITATION is IMMORTAL
Super thinker,
periyar never said, tamizh is a kattumirandi language. He said after seeing the way of worshipping gods in a barbaric way with supersticious belief,… he is a kattumirandi, means uncivlised person. Whatever, their belief, who are we to stop them? it is their way of worshipping, they would change one day. They would come to know that drinking the blood of animals before God is a sinful act. Tamizh is the holiest language, but we should learn all the languages that would make us the brilliant humanbeings. Lets explore the whole world.
Dear all,
I could not be with you all due to lack of time. I am feeling happy that tamiZh film “Endhiran” is creating postiive waves around the world, the director Mr.Shankar should be applauded for making all Indians and Tamizhians proud. But when the over obssessed people started again to pour litres and litres of milk over the poster of rajnikant is objectionable and condemnable. Foolish and uncivilised people.
ok. now. the words which we use in english can be changed and the tamizh words are,
ready – thayaar
super – azhagaai
bus – perundu
actual – uNmayil
use – payanpaduthuthal
head ache – thalaivali
escape – thapithu oduthal
correct – sari (or) sariyaga
bye – poi vaanga
good morning – kaalai vanakkam
lunch – pakal uNavu
irritate – thollai koduthal
abuse – thittuthal or kadinthu kolluthal
follow – pin thodarndu
(many more words …please use tamizh words)
Prayanam – payanam
aasai – viruppam
pramaadam – arputham
jayithal – vetri peruthal
avasaram – thuritham
prachanai – thollai
vedanai – kavalai
rathri – iravu
madhyanam – pakal velai
(find out the sankrit words and use pure tamizh words they may surely make our tamizh language a “dead language” in future)
There are so many sankrit words which we have to identify and use the exact tamizh words. Due to the entry of Marwaris (Rajasthanis and gujaratis) also some hindi words are used they after some time have changed like bekku (befkoof means fool in hindi), kasmaalam (kuch maloom means u know something) bejaar (boring
paradesi (pardesi means a foreigner) gaali (khali means vacant or empty) which is used to say to end one’s life.
Due to pawn shops run by marwaris (they have been in tamizh nadu for centuries and they are treated well…note this point all north indians). Maarwaaris most of them are greedy and they cheat the poor people a lot. They use tamizh language only to run their business, they dont love our language and they dont care about its richness. They are rich by exploiting the poor tamizhians.They are selfish. One should be grateful to the language and the people for making them live happily.
I think christianity does not cheat christians, Islam does not cheat muslims and sikhism does not cheat siks only HINDUISM cheat INDIANS. May SNIP take note of this point and do the needful.
i have to correct myself tht whatever sanskrit words i had written are actually tamizh words, they had created those words from tamizh words and thereafter they had burnt the original tamizh words..into the fire.. :) Sorry to correct now. late realisation.
Dear all,
The brahmins who have entered into our dravidian land and drinking water that emerge from our pure land and eating rice grains and vegetables produced by our hard working dravidians should feel ashamed of themselves when they cheat us by all ways and means using their language sanskrit. They are enemies inside our home. UNDA VEETUKKU RANDAGAM PANNAADE… understood. If they continue doing harm to our people then they shall surely go to the HELL!!!
Dear all,
I am pasting some good points by MR.ABDUL gathered with caring approach and hard work shown to establish that the Tamizh language has been there since 500,00 BC. Try to keep its glory forever and make it SURVIVE.
ca. 500,000 BC: origin of the human race,
ca. 200,000 to 50,000 BC: evolution of โthe Tamilian or Homo Dravidaโ,
ca. 200,000 to 100,000 BC, beginnings of Tamil
ca. 100,000 to 50,000 BC, growth and development of Tamil,
50,000 BC: Kumari Kandam civilisation
20,000 BC: A lost Tamil culture on Easter Island which had an advanced civilisation
16,000 BC: Lemuria submerged
6087 BC: Second Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
3031 BC: A Chera prince wandering in the Solomon Islands saw wild sugarcane and started cultivation in Tamil Nadu.
1780 BC: The Third Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
7th century BC: Tolkappiyam, the earliest extant Tamil grammer.
Thank you.
Dear Miss M,
Thanks for quoting from my postings.Kindly inform everyone that Tamizh is a natural language in which the origin of Tamizh moves beyond lines of thought and imagination of Human race.Tamizh(meaning self expressed).For the word Suriyan ,we beleive that it might be foreign to Tamizh (belong to sanskrit) but reality is that when we touch something hot unknowingly ,we feel “issh” or” ssu”.In same way all the related words are found in Tamizh such as Suudo,Sudalai,Sukku,Sudalai and suriyan.So,it is naturally expressed.But only suriyan(sur) is found in Sanskrit other related words are not found in found there as like in Tamizh.so,all Tamizhers should not feel inferior because Tamizh was a naturally derived language which could be called as the reservoir of vocabulary.Most of the words found in sanskrit are the words adopted from tamizh such as Sabha(from Avai or avaiyam), Dhaan( daanam from Tharuthal),Natak (from Naadakam),Dev (from deivam,theithal,(i.e) early man worship fire,when u rub fire comes,so,deivam comes from theithal),Bhahavaan from Pahavan(pagu+avan=one who divides and equally distributes),Kala from Kalai(kalvi).I can quote number of these kinds of words adopted by sanskritist from Tamizh language.Owing to strong media and political influence by northern ,they are making a false propaganda about the artificial richness of poor sanskrit.so,all Tamizhs and dravidian friend donot be panic.we are rich and still thrive to pursue richness.so,donot forget your heritage and history and boil in melting pot.Also,kindly read the works of the great etymologist Deva neya pavanar and create awareness about the richness of Tamizh language to the whole word and do not fall prey to the manipulation of northerners.Vaazhga Tamizh.!
Dear Abdul Aiyya,
Thanks a lot for reading my comments. i am suprised to know that there are people to talk well about their mother language in this modern world. Everyone has their original mother word and if they use any other language neglecting their mother language then they would certainly one day see that their mother language is a “DEAD LANGUAGE”, I will come up with pure tamizh words which are not used by tamizhians. I read a post by a gentleman Dravidan that ” dravidian languages like tamil,kannada,telugu and malayalam which is spoken in south india has came from tamil brahmi and there are lot of proof to tell that tamil brahmi is the languge of the people lived during indus valley civilization. I hope we tamizhians should learn more and more languages of india and the western countries if we have interest and enough time. It would make us all brilliant and informative. My engish is not so good as yours Mr.Abdul Aiyya. See you all.
Dear Miss M ( Geeta),
I am not too old to address me “Aiyya”.I have just crossed my silver jubilee(age).Your English is good and more commanding.Kindly continue your posting to communicate to the world visualising the false vision.I was quiet busy for last few days because of my hectic job schedule.so,I could not contribute much to this forum.I am happy that atleast few people like are making continous contribution to this forum.Are you a tamizh literature student?
Miss M
Your 100 % Correct about you wrote about tamil language and Brahmins
Dear Naga,
Thanks a lot for reading my comments. The innocent non-brahmin indians and foreigners actually dont know the real nature of brahmins and their lselfish ove and care for their own “community”. Any person who is following a brahmin and a person who is not following a brahmin both their happiness and sufferings are the same. SNIP (Super Natural Invisible Power) is creating the “destiny” of people not the brahmins. coming soon.
Dear Sande,
If Egyptian is the oldest language then please make efforts for its “SURVIVAL”. We know that your history is full of wonders and mysteries, pyramids, mummies etc.etc. You should make us all know ur culture.
th oldets language is egyptian
Dear all,
The religions which are not spoiled by the brahmins are CHRISTIANITY, ISLAM, BUDDISM, JAINISM, SIKHISM AND ZORASTRIANISM ( religion of parsi) and some other unknown religions in the world. The brahmins could not capture these religions and enter into their shrines. Because they are not allowed in to chant manthras. They do not accept and they should feel happy about living freely away from the brahmins and their sanskrit.
In fact, Shirdi Sai Baba was opposed by the brahmins of the village shirdi and they have been giving problems to him continuously when he was beginning to gain popularity. They could not tolerate this and i heard even they tried to murder him by sending snakes to kill him. But sadly what are we seeing today in the temple of Shirdi SaiBaba, the brahmins have “entered” to chant manthras. When a non-brahmin is liviing they torture him continuously and when he die they do pujas to earn using his name. How cunning they are!! When they could not control the popularity of a person because of his good virtues in the society the crooked minded brahmins do nothing but to occupy the place to earn money after his death. If Shirdi Saibaba is alive then what would he think about these people? Had Sai baba been living the brahmins wont have guts to stand before him. Kindest words of a person like Saibaba was enough for people of shirdi and he was actually dispersing the money scattering the coins on the floor which were given to him by people who visited, He was not a greedy person.
A brahmin can never use a SWORD but definitely POISON to kill non-brahmins. Either they can pierce the stag on the back or incite a non-brahmin (“shudra” the name they use for non-brahmin) to kill a non-brahmin. They are not brave people by nature they survive only by their cunningness. A selfless good leader with dravidian blood and love for his people and language and think about their welfare can only lead Tamizh land to the path of glory. A leader with an Aryan blood can never do good for Tamiz land.
A true tamizihan should always aware of the fact that brahmins would not mind mingling with a dravidian to survive. The brahmins can any time pull our legs and sell our land to others for their benefit. They are cheaters by nature. They do not care about the welfare of Tamizh and the Tamizhians. They have their own sangam (group) to create cunning plans to exploit the innocent people of this whole world. ISCON the temple of krishna is one another example, the foreigners are cheated by the brahmins in the name of Krishna….hehehe……I wonder where and which place they can reach…. i think only the MOON is left, when there would be humans in MOON the brahmins would go there too and they can not enter SUN because it would burn them into ashes. Are not they Gods? Why cant they control SUN? hehehe. no…no.. they are gods on earth….enough…if the brahmins are going to moon then i would also follow them to observe how they dupe humans over there….hihihi
The Dravidian race consists predominantly of south Indians. They are characterized by their dark complexion, large foreheads and dark hair and eyes. According to experts, this race arrived in India around 3000 B C.
Dravidians are believed to be of African origin. Similarities between their complexion, forehead structure and bone structure support this claim. After their settlement in India, they established a very sophisticated culture. Their religion was earth centric and was based on the worship of life-giving forces in nature. They made offerings of plants and herbs to these forces. With the arrival of the Aryans in India around 1500 B C, the Dravidians were forced to move towards the south and central parts of the country. The influence of Aryans in their religion saw a shift from nature-worship to the worship of gods and goddesses based in heaven. Their rituals now involved fire and smoke. The roots of Hinduism were sowed with this radical shift in religion.
With the decline in Indus Valley Civilization, the Dravidians established a rich culture in south and central India. Their contribution to the development of language and literature is immense. All the major languages used in south India are of Dravidian origin, Tamil being the root language.
Dear Rasigan,
Thanks a lot for your comments. When there is UNITY among tamizhians as well as our neighbour south indian brothers and sisters we can all make the demon “poverty” away from our land. The aryans made “the talented king of Ilangai RAVANAN a demon king” to show their hatredness for the skin colour dark and since Ravanan was ruling ilangai and he was a man of bravery …..they made the non-brahmins and even his own brother to betray him. Here comes the matter of “Betrayal” and the cunningness of brahmins and their approach of reaching into the family of the person they want to defeat……. Ravanan was a man of arts, he knew the art of music and was a spontaneous player of the musical instrument Veena. The brahmins called him demon and a person of demon in nature wont follow SIVA a YOGI. (Yoga teaches about the various points in the body, the “touch and cure therapy” to treat various ailments in a natural way as well as by using herbs)
The brahmins so far created so many stories for their selfish purposes and people and their brain has been under their control and still under their control. complete BRAIN WASH.
YOUR ALL DEGENERATES MANUFACTURED BY THE BRITISH AND WESTERN UNTOUCHABLES.
first go for a blood test….it would be full of poison.
Dear all,
I am here “M”. I used the name “Geeta” as it was given to me my mother after my birth and knowing it was a sanskrit word my father gave me a name which is from the tamil literature to show his love for the pure tamiz language which starts with “M”. So, here i am “M”. There is a famous university in tamiznadu by my name.. Am giving a clue kind of a riddle. hehehe…
Ok. now Mr.Sullivan is saying that Tamil and Sanskrit both issued from the sides of Shivaโs drum at the same time. I can not accept this in fact i oppose ..becos “Siva” was a tamizian. He was a person of bravery and his mind so clean and controlled becos of “Yoga”. He was a noble person for researching all herbals for treating ailments to serve the humanity. He was a man of arts. These qualities can never be in a Brahmin becos he always think of cheating around. They learnt tamizh and music and dance to lead a comfort life and show that they are talented and to rule becos of their fair skin “the superior” one. Very very small percentage of them are guility conscious and truly God fearing. Like the Poet Subramaniya Bharatiyar he was a brahmin but good hearted and he was opposing the views of his community which kept hatredness for the tamizians the non-brahmins. He was against “Casteism” introduced by the brahmins. We should once again read his poems to know his good qualities.
ALL OF YOU READ THIS CAREFULLY…. To expose the cunningness of the brahmins, one example, i would like to tell the people of india now. Soon after Ms.Mayavati, (belong to a backward caste) the chief minister of Utter Pradesh announced there would be a meeting for remembering and popularising the writings of the revolutionary leader E.V.R.Periyar (kannadiga settled in tamiznadu) (an Ethiest and who was the reason for the upliftment and welfare of the backward class people in Tamiz nadu) in the capital (UP) city Lucknow….. Soon after the matter was published in all the newspapers, the brahmin community in the whole india decided to spread the rumour that the statue of Lord Ganesha was drinking milk. We indians and in foreign countries also people were rushing towards the temples to have a glimpse of Lord Ganesha. Is it not one of the points to expose the cunningness of the brahmins. All the foolish people had been to temples to feed the statue with money and also to feed the brahmins. I would like to mention here that i am not supporting Ms.Mayavati or anyone else in politics. I dont know them and also how they are ruling their state.
As i said earlier, the brahmins have the “active brain” to cheat the people and they would never leave the temples of tamiznadu and they would not allow the language tamiz in temples. We should feel ashamed about this matter. I dont want tamiz to grow in temples to cheat the people but to grow by genuine efforts to keep its glory.
On reading my comments the brahmins are once again to make arrangements to gather all their people to discuss matters which are against them and start spreading rumours again to fool us all. They want all the foolish people to enter temples and pour money on them. They can not serve the people but they would snatch away the hard earned money of people sitting idle chanting manthras unknown to us. There are so many people who could not afford a normal life in india and they have to work hard to get three time meal.
Brahmins would not mind marrying a backward caste person even if he is famous and wealthy in the society. For example, A brahmin lady lata married Rajnikant, a brahmin lady poornima married the director cum actor Bhagyaraj. Hemamalini married the hindi actor Darmendra They wont care about which caste he belongs. Where there is sophistication you can see the brahimins there.
Why did they leave their “Agrahaaram” the place they made for themselves. They had to remain there and die. Why did they come out of it and enter the cities to mingle with all kinds of people. Only to earn as the life is changing day by day. They had been occupying the music and dance fields so far. For last few years only non-brahmins are entering these fields just becos of powerful mediums like cinema and television. The judges are not brahmins in some tv channels which is a strong blow to them. But they always plan to cheat around to earn money.
All tamizhians should be honest, helping natured and should learn hindi also to know all cultures and traditions and prove them all that we still are following our rich old tradition. Knowledge leads to perfection. By the way i can talk, read and sing in hindi well and i can understand what a person is saying in UP, HARYANA AND PUNJAB very well. I think i am a good observer of cultures. While returning from my office to home inside the bus, two fair skinned north indian girls and a boy were talking “the madrasis black and wearing dhotis (veshti) i could not understand what they were talking and i left the place”. I was sitting next to them and they could not identify me becos i do not look like a typical south indian…i was with fair skin and look like slightly north indian said “listen i am a “TAMIZIHAN”. They were shocked and laughed later on as an excuse to stop their discussion.
Feel always proud of what you are and be united and help tamizh flourish forever. I dont want it to die.
most of the comments above seems to me to be against north indians….why we even differentiate ourselves as north in dians or south indians but not simply INDIANS…
most of the comments seems to be against north indians……i dont know why differentiate ourselves as south indians or north indians but not simply as INDIANS….
Dear Ishaan,
Its becos of the fact that the black or brown or even a fair skinned tamizian is humiliated in your place not only for his skin, for his language also. Do not ever forget the fact that we follow our rich culture even now and give respect to north indians it shows our humility. By nature we are not arrogant and when we would be ever forced we can become arrogant. Our nature of tolerating everything only control ourselves to go on right path and be secular.
Tamil vannakkam
According to me tamil people should know hindi, so that we can identify the stupids who speaks bad about tamil. if we know hindi then they wont speaking bad about us infront of us.people be aware of hindi and dont hesitate to learn hindi. we should smash the people who make fun of tamil, and in case if they are tamils then dont forget to teach them what is tamil…..tamizan endru sollada thalai nimirnthu nillada, tamiz vazga…..
Dear harish,
Colour has been the reason for so many suppressions and depressions and still it is very much alive and breeding. Never ever Jesus Christ or Lord Sivan told the people to make partialities in the name of colour. All reasons are only human-made. No leaders ever said that fair skinned people should be treated well in the society. skin. No prophet ever said that violence is the solution for tackling problems. We humans only use our brain to go on wrong track for selfish purposes.
An atheist say that he does not belive in deities but what name should be given to those worshippers who show hatred against fellow human beings soon after they come out of the shrines?
We tamizhians should be following our good culture and tradition and should not follow any other spoiled cuture in our state. By the way, by the entry of wealthy punjabis in tamiznadu the rent of accomodations have increased which we tamihizans can not afford to pay. How much we suffer?
There was no INIDA before 200 years.this is a newly created country.Just to send english people out we formed INDIA.So there will be lot of chaos and there is.
Who will dominate who? who will destroy who? how to kill all the native languages and bring one language into power?How to destroy the minority races?
Now i feel it would have been better if India is in English people hands instead of Northindian hands.
Kashmir was a pure Hindu place.all were forced to convert into Muslim else they had to die.And they got converted.
Today Tamils should learn Hindi and forget Tamil else they will be killed.Tamilians are dark in coulor and that is the race.may be afterall we people came from black monkeys.
For IT northindia People: Can you send mails to clients in Hindi?
Why dont you force them to learn Hindi?
You people cannot learn anyother language.because ur mother tougnue is not strong.
We Tamils can learn any number of languages if required.
Do u remeber the statement “IF you know C-language u can learn any other language easily” in IT indutry? Ur Mother tongue is NOT C LANGUAGE.
North Indians and Tamils have one major difference.That is, Tamils are highly evolved in this land.When north india was nothing Tamils were doing trade with Rome and Egypt.
Inida is same as the entire Europe.But Europe is not a single country.In Europe they have many languages but for international business alone they use English.If anyone can Convert Europe to a single country and be sucessful in that ,then he can give the plans to Inida so that we can have a nation without any diversity.
Dear Simbu,
Before we tamizhians immerse deep into the sea becos we are surrounded by the three great oceans, i know we were made to live in this region becos of aryans our ancestors were once upon a time living in the sind province if the records are true. We lost KUMARI KANDAM and never mind if we would ever be going into the deep sea. Our Tamizh land and Tamizhians glory shall remain forever!!!
Tamil people, also called Tamils or Tamilians, are a linguistic and ethnic group native to Tamil Nadu, a state in Southern India and the north-eastern region of Sri Lanka. They speak Tamil, with a recorded history going back two millennia. Emigrant communities are found across the world, notably Malaysia, Singapore, South Africa, Canada, and the UK. The Tamils are mostly Hindus with sizable Christian and Muslim populations.
Tamil was the first Indian language to be given classical status. It has the oldest extant literature amongst other Dravidian languages. The art and architecture of the Tamil people encompass some of the notable contributions of India and South-East Asia to the art world. The famous Nataraja sculpture of the Chola period became a universal symbol of Hinduism. The music, the temple architecture and the stylised sculptures favoured by the Tamil people in their ancient nation are still being learnt and practiced. Thus, Tamils have been referred to as the last surviving classical civilisation on Earth. The Pallava script, a variant of Southern Brahmi used by the Tamil Pallava dynasty, was the basis of several of the writing systems of Southeast Asia, including the Burmese, Khmer, Thai, Lao and Javanese scripts.
It is better to go deep into the ocean than living with people around most of them selfish and arrogant and mad about their own religion…When “humanity” is not given importance, i think mingling with ocean would end all kinds of atrocities. It is a sin to live in this world where women goddess are given importance but innocent girls and women are humiliated and tortured.
Mr. Simbu
Independent India established only after the real independence and divided by different states based on languages. Only in Bihar, Madhya and Uttar Pradesh people mother tongue is in Hindi and it was prevalent during that time, the rest of the states was bifurcated based on the speaking native languages. Before independence, we were ruled by many kings from south and north was completely destroyed by the invaders.
Can anyone give evidence for good literature work in Hindi, but in Tamil history you can show variety of literature work, which was gifted to the people by various scholars well before 6000 years.
Why north Indians are after Tamilians to learn Hindi. It IS VERY SIMPLE to enter or sneak in to Tamil Nadu and other parts to south to establish their network. Hindi speaking people can do better business in South and extreme level of migration of Hindi speaking population can adopt local environment (except learning Tamil) but at the same time imposing Hindi over Tamilians can happen and it is happening. It is obvious in AP and Karnataka. Soon, Dravidian language of Telugu and Kananda will be dead, because people are attracted towards Hindi. With the result, Telugu and Kananda can meet a drastic end soon, provided it is not protected
Hindi language is not historic language like Dravidian languages. It is very recent compared even other languages presence in India. Even now English is used in every level and nobody can erase English just because it is imported for this matter. In that case, for a South Indian all north Indian language is imported language, whereas for a north Indian all south Indian language is highly imported. North Indian even now call all south Indian as ” Madarasi ” why and who made this difference? It is from the north to dominate others. I am ready to learn Hindi at the same time allow my Tamil to spread in other territory. If it is one-way action territorial domination of space and language issue will hamper the future generation.
Dear All,
To make others to know our language(Tamil) a special one, we have to use english to express. This is what the truth & nature rule, i am not blaming others but still u have to realize that the word (kalavum katru mara) . so its better to know the hindhi because to survive ourself outside our nation. i am staying away from india i feel really hatred that everyboby teases on unknowing the national language. Now if u are a tamilan u have to use complete tamil at u r home &. when you cross your country they are calling us as Hindhi means our national language. I know once Tamilan starts to learn any language he would be appreciated because of learning ability & he will speak good than the original speaker. If we are able to prepare ourself to learn & speak English, why we should not learn hindi.
But keep in mind that never allow any language interruption when we speak with our tamil people in tamil. Then our language will not spoiled.
I am shocked that UNESCO has announced that tamil will destroyed after 500yrs so lets try to stop that. I pray god if he is really there this incident should not happen.
I feel great to see people like geetha & i am proud that there is somebody to tell the valueness of our great Tamil
Valzhga Tamil
Valzhga Tamil Valzhga Tamil
Tamizh will not die on its own. Its movement may be curtailed because of other influential languages spoken widely. This is high time we all have to take an oath that
โEvery tamizhans should speak only in tamizh wherever and whenever they meet or chat.”. As pointed out by geeta., word should pronounced well so that young generation will tend to learn more. Bring or write more stories in tamizh and keep it in mind, read at least one new word in Tamizh every day and pass it to someone.
Thanks a lot RASIGAN.
Forget about tamizh…enough is enough. I was too much emotional to save my mother tamizh. She can survive. My duty should be over. Our job is to go to different places all over the world and explore :) No one is giving water to us. Starvation in the future i can foretell..they are planning to damage the dams. Kanyakumari what are you doing? just speak out!!!
I BELIEVE YOU AND THE POSTER ABOVE YOU TO BE SOMEWHAT MORONIC. BOTH OF YOU HAVE MISSED THE POINT OF THIS POSTING. PERHAPS YOUR ENGLISH IS NOT UP TO THE TASK OF INTELLECTUAL PURSUIT..
Dear Fred,
People would be start paying attention for the task of INTELLECTUAL PURSUIT when they stop worshipping a BRICK with 2 eyes, 1 nose and 1 mouth. As long as the foolish people think that the brick is having all kinds of divine powers to bless them no improvement would be there and “CIVILISATION” has no place at all. Exploitation is here to exist forever.
Thanks a lot SIVA.
I am not geeta. :)
siva is too much emotional about tamizh because he is a tamizh dravidan :)
yes..vaazhga Tamil!!!
Isn’t there a proverb that says that Tamil and Sanskrit both issued from the sides of Shiva’s drum at the same time?
There is evidence that both languages were spoken in India in very ancient times, at this site:
http://harappanwriting.piczo.com
G.
So 30000 rupees every month or 360000 per year a person from Tamil country will feel comfortable and happy financially.
Yes ? Thatโs what someone on unemployment or sickness benefit gets in the UK about ยฃ80pw it roughly equates the same.
But here a person on Benefit is also entitled to housing benefit and council tax benefit.Interest on mortgage payments.We have a National Health Service that supports all citizens if in need.We have easy credit that can allow us to Buy now Pay later (1yr) or pay it in installments up to a year.Free cookers and fridges if you donโt have the credit.Now thatโs for people who do nothing and stay at home and watch TV.The
average earn ยฃ30000 or ยฃ24000 after tax or
ยฃ2000 per month which is about equal to those on benefit as far as disposable income goes.Those that earn above ยฃ37400 are taxed at source 40% and 50% for those who earn ยฃ150000pa. YOU donโt have to be to bright to earn these amounts most see Homer Simpson as a role model.In fact we look up to Homer.The Simpsons have a very high viewing figures in England. We are in noway satisfied in life and want to at least have a disposable income of 1 MILLION US DOLLARS
that will put us in the top 10million in the world. $30m = top 80000. About 700 billionaires($1bn) in the world quite a few from your continent.Mumbai do have very rich residents you know.
Rationing of Basic goods in Tamil Country is there a shortage ?
G.
How much money do you earn and what is taken out of your pay slip by your goverment ie what is your gross and net income ?
Do you have a computer at home? I think you use the work computer as this server clocked to pacific US time and the time you respond from your continent is about 9am thatโs just before you start work.Here we all have mobile computers and the poor want a new sony plasma 3d tv that they can afford by paying it in installments or next year.They may even find a job in that time!
I earn ยฃ30000 after
Dear Mr.X,
I am a housewife and am not working anywhere and i am using my own computer at home only the net connection sometimes available and sometimes not. My husband use the connection. All i can say is that on the map u can see our India is a very small place which was invaded by all and still we tamizhians are in a position to get freedom from the brahmins and their unique trait “cunningness”. Anyone with good morals and good concern wishing us good future and also putting efforts for developing our country if they want to invade our country then they are “always welcome”.
I would reply to you later on as i have to do my household duites. Forgive me. Truly tamizhian.
Dear X,
Rationing of basic goods are supplied at lesser rate to those people whose per capita income is very low. Its not for the wealthy people. When the people are supersticious about so many things and fight for material things then there would be commotion and confusion only. Thank you.
Dear Mr.X,
I dunno about the average good wage in the tamil country. But it should be 15,000/- for a family of 4 people for meeting the expenses for a month. It is including the food, cloth and shelter. (if the family is in need of a rental home) For education, if they go for a good convent school (it depends upon the school) they may need extra 5000/-. For entertainment like going for a picnic, watching a movie they may need extra 1500/-. For meeting the medical expenses may be 3000/- more is needed. Extra 500/- i guess if they are fools then for paying a brahmin. More than 500/- if they are brainless and supersticious. So it comes around total 25000/- per month. But each person is not paid this amount. We have to adjust ourselves with whatever amount we are getting. I think it is compulsion at the same time controlling ourselves with discipline. It teaches us to be “content” and “satisfied”. If we are not greedy then we can live happily forever, otherwise if we are weak minded then we can be brainwashed by bad people to follow wrong tracks. hehehe… It depends upon the character of the person. The ration shops in tamilnadu are supplying rice, wheat, lentils, oil, spices, sugar and wheat flour for less amount. All these things are supplied to all the people who are residing in tamilnadu no partialities. The poor people are now somewhat happy becos of this system introduced by the chief minister Mr.Karunanidhi. Portable colour televisions are also given to the ration card holders and relief money also given to them during rainy seasons. (They should clean all the drainage systems and make roads of evenness to solve the problems forever)
Mr.X, what have in my mind i write i dunno really what is the average wage in tamil land. But most of them depend upon “God” and his “blessings” only and the brahmins for their betterment. They can not let their mind to go on wrong track by nature, but the most affected go becos of poverty. Thats the reasons for murder, robbery, gang, rivalry etc. Recently a bihari (a person belong to the state Bihar) was arrested in chennai for breaking the treasure box in the temple. The reason was he was in need of money. I think after reading this the Bihar Government would take steps to remove their poverty.
I dunno about taxation policies also. I am sorry Mr.X.
G.So 30000 rupees every month or 360000 per year a person from Tamil country will feel comfortable and happy financially.
Yes ? That’s what someone on unemployment or sickness benefit gets in the UK about ยฃ80pw it roughly equates the same.
But here a person on Benefit is also entitled to housing benefit and council tax benefit.Interest on mortgage payments.We have a National Health Service that supports all citizens if in need.We have easy credit that can allow us to Buy now Pay later (1yr) or pay it in installments up to a year.Free cookers and fridges if you don’t have the credit.Now that’s for people who do nothing and stay at home and watch TV.The average earn ยฃ30000 or ยฃ24000 after tax or ยฃ2000 per month which is about equal to those on benefit as far as disposable income goes.Those that earn above ยฃ37400 are taxed at source 40% and 50% for those who earn ยฃ150000pa. YOU don’t have to be to bright to earn these amounts most see Homer Simpson as a role model.In fact we look up to Homer.The Simpsons have a very high viewing figures in England. We are in noway satisfied in life and want to at least have a disposable income of 1 MILLION US DOLLARS
that will put us in the top 10million in the world. $30m = top 80000. About 700 billionaires($1bn) in the world quite a few from your continent.Mumbai do have very rich residents you know.
Rationing of Basic goods in Tamil Country is there a shortage ?
How much money do you earn and what is taken out of your pay slip by your goverment ie what is your gross and net income ?
Do you have a computer at home? I think you use the work computer as this server clocked to pacific US time and the time you respond from your continent is about 9am that’s just before you start work.Here we all have mobile computers and the poor want a new sony plasma 3d tv that they can afford by paying it in installments or next year.They may even find a job in that time!
I earn ยฃ30000 after
CRAZY!!!!!
G.What is the average good wage in the Tamil country ? What about other parts of the continent.
What is the rate of taxation locally and nationally or is it one tax rate. Is business tax at a different rate ?
Dear all,
I would like to give this information now that recently in a temple in the city of kancheepuram, Tamilnadu, a brahmin (purohit) was arrested because he was luring the girls and women who came to worship the God to have sex with him and that too inside the prahaaram (sanskrit) karuvarai (tamil) where the statue of God was installed. Just becos he was closing the curtain to do bad deeds…does he think that SNIP (SUPER NATURAL INVISIBLE POWER) has closed its eyes tightly or can the pandit or the brahmin hide everything from the SNIP? Two years before the most respected hindu brahmin the head of the so called hinduism was arrested for murdering a fellow purohit, the reason behind the murder was that he was exposing his bad deeds in the temple. It shows there are good hearted brahmins too. So we should dig out the “ROOT” of the problems and reform the society. It is the “MUST” thing that can bring wonders. People should be educated first of all and they should start thinking that doing good things in life and be a good hearted person and medidation and yoga to control life (thanking Siva, the founder of yoga and the siddha medicine and its uniqueness) and leave everything to SNIP can bring peaceful life. We can pray at home or in a hall of meditation. If people are with extra money then they should help handicapped people, send it to old age homes or help people who are really in need to get their blessings.
Hi
I have read your comments. I appreciate your point of view. I also believe in some of the points. I know that Tamil was known as Tamizh and one of the most ancient language. It was there since bronze age. You would be amazed to know that Tamil or other Dravadian languages did not link to any other language group. These languages are also not diluted. They have not borrowed from other languages. In fact Sanskrit was much affected by Dravadian tongues.
Having said that i need to tell you that i am from UP. I don’t know any Dravadian language. I speak Hindi and that too not in its purest form. But, that gives me no reason not to be proud of Dravid culture and people and languages of South India.
I would request you to do the same. There may be a debate that whether Sanskrit or Tamizh is oldest, but no one can deny the influence of Sanskrit on other major languages. More than 3 billion people speak Anglo-European languages and Sanskrit is the oldest of them all (maybe even mother of them).
I am not here to debate. I just want you to respect every aspect of this great country. We have differences. But that’s what makes us unique. Its our strength. You said that India is a country of beggars. You said that its because of temples and brahmins. I too agree with you. But what have you done to improve the conditions here?
Isn’t it your duty to free your country from beggary or any other shackles preventing its development? Instead you are creating petty differences here. We don’t want another Thakrey. We do not want another Kashmir. In a country where politicians rule by divide and rule, citizens must remain united. So please stop all this nonsense about Tamizh vs Sanskrit and South Indians vs Aryans. Because both of them are great. None is superior to other. And most importantly, they all are part of INDIA!
Jai Hind.
Dear Arpit,
I read your comments. I want you to again and again read our comments there we want to stress upon the point that tamizh should not be erased from the history by the “influence of sanskrit or any other language”. Becos when all other languages have given space for sanskrit they may loose their own mother tongue in future. They have their own words in place of sanskrit and since they have started using sanksrit or even english the coming generation may not be knowing what is the exact mother word which they should use. For example, the tamil word “thappithu odinaan” in english “he escaped” but these days most of the tamzians use “escape” with a comic tone, if it continues then the child born today wont know the exact tamizh word in future. Do u get my point? When i say malayalam is full of purest tamizh words like “kuzhaithu, “ozhugi” etc. means they are using it still but we dont actually.
While appreciating my mother tongue and its purity i also respect other languages. How many punjabis in delhi want to speak in punjabi u tell me..they would always talk in either english or in hindi. when i was working in delhi a punjabi gentleman appreciated me for using his language and he was upset about the fact that his people do not want to use their mother tongue. When talking about punjabis i am sorry to say that they are losing their rich culture. It is their job to teach the young punjabi teenagers to follow good culture and respect their mother tongue. They dont know how to respect a relation with purest thoughts. When i say “most of them” it means out of 100 ..60% of them. The remaining 40% still want to be honest and respect their good culture. I guess mainly becos ofverexposure of films and stories with vulgarity. Teachings about respecting rich culture and morals and good relations would only bring back these teenagers from following bad things in life.
Before talking about thackeray did you ever think about Rajnikant (Marati), Ajit(sindhi), Khushboo (muslim), Arjun(kannadiga), Sham (muslim), Arya (malayali), Sarat Babu (a UP brahmin), Jeeva Choudhry, Ramesh Choudhry and many of them have been successful in the film industry of tamil land. Can you ever say that we have stopped them from coming in and show their talent? Never. I wrote about the destruction of a rich culture by the influence of people with bad nature. Becos we want our tamizh brothers and sisters to follow good culture and know about its antiquity. Thats it!! Wherever people with good nature if they oppose the influence of bad culture. We also want to do that. Do you have problem? u should not complain.
When i say that an old man is pulling a rickshaw and earning may be Rs.200/- a day for a family of 5 members then why people go and give an Invisible God money? Cant that money be used to remove the poverty of the people. They have been worshipping but did they ever stop sunami or any other natural calamity? Cant the poor people be used to clean the temples and keep them as an architectural value and beauty and paid for their job. New jobs can be created. Just like Taj Mahal the temples can be kept as marvellous structures for people to visit and appreciate. If God is omniscient then in a city a single place of worship is enough for people to medidate and pray. Why hundreds of them? I guess you dont get my point. “I give importance to the sweat of a poor man than the sweatof a brahmin” in a temple who can very easily earn by chanting manthras and do it a like job. Why dont they allow a non-brahmin to chant manthras? Even if they allow no non-brahmin is here ready to cheat people. Its all about the nature of the person. When the brahmins have made all variations among people then do they think ever about where the rice and lentils, vegetables and fruits come from? Who are the people touching them and passing them to reach the market? Are the brahmins put dettol or phynoil to clean them before eating them?
I can only see bright light and improvement for india only when all brahmins stop cheating people around and disperse the money and other valuables in temples to feed the poor people. They are pouring liters and liters of milk and honey to clean the statues. Cant the milk be given to the poor children of india who could not afford to get it?
Let them all be hungry and die.
I also must say our corrupt political system is one another reason for the poverty of india. The politicians whichever party they are in want money, money and money. All want sophisticated life. Rich people of india are they ready to give 20% of their income to the poor people to educate them and feed them when they are hungry?
I would never talk about a separate land for tamizh. But i would also keep on telling about the efforts to make it survive and be alert. We have already lost our tamizh land (Elangai or Sri Lanka) to the people from some other place. Do you know the facts or not? I am sorry u are not informative. I dont want to read about history. But allowing people with nasty mind and exploitative nature should be warned and its in the hands of police officials to stop people from doing exploitation. We tamizians always welcomed all the culture in our state and still welcoming and want to mingle but certainly dont want to spoil our culture full of good tradiitions and morals. If we tamizhians show our anger against exploitation then that means the very ROOT of the problems should be pulled out not the people. So many bad people have changed their mind just becos of a poem or just becos of of song then why cant they just becos of my writings? Belive there is an invisible super natural power that is watching us but do not cheat the people using its name.
Those people who cheat indians whether they are brahmins or the politicians or the fradulent rich people they are all not part of india but they are the TRAITORS in India and they are the reasons for the under development of our country.
Dear Arpit,
I read your comments. I want you to again and again read our comments there we want to stress upon the point that tamizh should not be erased from the history by the โinfluence of sanskrit or any other languageโ. Becos when all other languages have given space for sanskrit they may loose their own mother tongue in future. They have their own words in place of sanskrit and since they have started using sanksrit or even english the coming generation may not be knowing what is the exact mother word which they should use. For example, the tamil word โthappithu odinaanโ in english โhe escapedโ but these days most of the tamzians use โescapeโ with a comic tone, if it continues then the child born today wont know the exact tamizh word in future. Do u get my point? When i say malayalam is full of purest tamizh words like โkuzhaithu, โozhugiโ etc. means they are using it still but we dont actually.
While appreciating my mother tongue and its purity i also respect other languages. How many punjabis in delhi want to speak in punjabi u tell me..they would always talk in either english or in hindi. when i was working in delhi a punjabi gentleman appreciated me for using his language and he was upset about the fact that his people do not want to use their mother tongue. When talking about punjabis i am sorry to say that they are losing their rich culture. It is their job to teach the young punjabi teenagers to follow good culture and respect their mother tongue. They dont know how to respect a relation with purest thoughts. When i say โmost of themโ it means out of 100 ..60% of them. The remaining 40% still want to be honest and respect their good culture. I guess mainly becos ofverexposure of films and stories with vulgarity. Teachings about respecting rich culture and morals and good relations would only bring back these teenagers from following bad things in life.
Before talking about thackeray did you ever think about Rajnikant (Marati), Ajit(sindhi), Khushboo (muslim), Arjun(kannadiga), Sham (muslim), Arya (malayali), Sarat Babu (a UP brahmin), Jeeva Choudhry, Ramesh Choudhry and many of them have been successful in the film industry of tamil land. Can you ever say that we have stopped them from coming in and show their talent? Never. I wrote about the destruction of a rich culture by the influence of people with bad nature. Becos we want our tamizh brothers and sisters to follow good culture and know about its antiquity. Thats it!! Wherever people with good nature if they oppose the influence of bad culture. We also want to do that. Do you have problem? u should not complain.
When i say that an old man is pulling a rickshaw and earning may be Rs.200/- a day for a family of 5 members then why people go and give an Invisible God money? Cant that money be used to remove the poverty of the people. They have been worshipping but did they ever stop sunami or any other natural calamity? Cant the poor people be used to clean the temples and keep them as an architectural value and beauty and paid for their job. New jobs can be created. Just like Taj Mahal the temples can be kept as marvellous structures for people to visit and appreciate. If God is omniscient then in a city a single place of worship is enough for people to medidate and pray. Why hundreds of them? I guess you dont get my point. โI give importance to the sweat of a poor man than the sweatof a brahminโ in a temple who can very easily earn by chanting manthras and do it a like job. Why dont they allow a non-brahmin to chant manthras? Even if they allow no non-brahmin is here ready to cheat people. Its all about the nature of the person. When the brahmins have made all variations among people then do they think ever about where the rice and lentils, vegetables and fruits come from? Who are the people touching them and passing them to reach the market? Are the brahmins put dettol or phynoil to clean them before eating them?
I can only see bright light and improvement for india only when all brahmins stop cheating people around and disperse the money and other valuables in temples to feed the poor people. They are pouring liters and liters of milk and honey to clean the statues. Cant the milk be given to the poor children of india who could not afford to get it?
Let them all be hungry and die.
I also must say our corrupt political system is one another reason for the poverty of india. The politicians whichever party they are in want money, money and money. All want sophisticated life. Rich people of india are they ready to give 20% of their income to the poor people to educate them and feed them when they are hungry?
I would never talk about a separate land for tamizh. But i would also keep on telling about the efforts to make it survive and be alert. We have already lost our tamizh land (Elangai or Sri Lanka) to the people from some other place. Do you know the facts or not? I am sorry u are not informative. I dont want to read about history. But allowing people with nasty mind and exploitative nature should be warned and its in the hands of police officials to stop people from doing exploitation. We tamizians always welcomed all the culture in our state and still welcoming and want to mingle but certainly dont want to spoil our culture full of good tradiitions and morals. If we tamizhians show our anger against exploitation then that means the very ROOT of the problems should be pulled out not the people. So many bad people have changed their mind just becos of a poem or just becos of of song then why cant they just becos of my writings? Belive there is an invisible super natural power that is watching us but do not cheat the people using its name.
Those people who cheat indians whether they are brahmins or the politicians or the fradulent rich people they are all not part of india but they are the TRAITORS in India and they are the reasons for the under development of our country
Not only natural disasters like earthquake and tsunami makes the people affected one and make them the beggars, but also so many cruel hearted humans innocent and supportless humans becomes beggars. After tsunami in chennai in december, 2004, so many pimps from north india came here to lure the tamizhian innocent girls and women (source: newspaper) and i have seen dont want to say, the so called Gods of india make the poor tamizhian girls vanish away, i have seen the mother’ tears to bring back her daughter and she was sent back to her home…Who will give answers to her tears? God wont come down on earth to save these people. Painful eyes and sorrowful faces this is what the poor tamizhians have been so far.. No sivan and No parvati and No murugan would come for them. They are all uneducated and helpless. Temples are nothing but the place for minting money. Heartless humans chanting inside for the welfare of their own families. I am not talking NONSENSE.
sorry the poor servant maid never came back to her mother. There was a mistake. Her mother was helpless. It happened so many years before. I cant forget that incident. The fate of so many innocent girls and women both rich and the poor of india still a mystery.
Dear readers, please visit the given below website of Mrs. Jennifer Kumar for details about the language Tamizh.
ttp://alaivani.com/Blog/tabid/56/EntryID/191/Default.aspx
Thank you.
Retards
Mr. X, thanks for paying attention to our comments. Keep reading and get out of corrupt culture and follow good people. May the Supernatural invisible power bless u!!!
G. Are you an Indian or Hindu.Do you use these terms to describe yourself in the world?Racially are you Caucasoid or Australoid.True Tamils are Caucasian.
Dear Mr.X,
I think you are more informative than me. I want to “describe myself as “Human belong to the tamizhan race” i was fair but brown coloured now becos of climatic conditions”. Thank you.
Dear Mr.X,
Wherever in the world i may be i would call myself first of all as an “Indian” becos i was born and brought up in this particular region on earth. The word “Hindu” came from the word “Sind” the province where our ancestors were once upon time living. The foreigners who invaded began to call the people of this province “Hindus” becos they could not spell the word “Sind” correctly. The word “Hinduism” is nothing but the way in which the people here worshipping so many God, The followers of “Buddha” are called Buddist and their religion is “Buddhism”. Followers of Jesus Christ are called “Christians”. But, since in India we have so many Gods and Avataars we can not follow a particular person with miracles to use his name to represent our religion. By the grace of the Aryans so many Gods have been introduced to fool them all we are generally called the followers of “Hinduism”. By the way what is this “ism”? ….Very very funny..hehehe. If i follow “Shirdi Saibaba” then my religion should be called “Saibaism”
Dear X, I was taught to speak soon after birth in “thamizh” becos my mother was a thamizian and was teaching me this language. I dunno really what kind of and where my exact ancestors were. But since i know the richness of my culture and language and traditions and Sages and scholars of thamizh literature i am here to support the views for its “survival”. I dont want to say after 10 years, “Once upon a time there was a thamizian culture and thamizh was their language”. I dont disrespect any other language of this world. I would like to learn them all for knowledge to know their culture and traditon as well. hmmmm.
hell with all kinds of titles and terms, i am a human :)
Yesterday i went to a tamilian home where they paid an aryan (brahmin) Rs.12,000/- for chanting manthras that too for 2 hours only. They paid this amount without understanding what he was actually uttering. The family think that if they make the brahmins do the pujas at home then they would live happily forever. Who can ever come to teach these people? Cant a tamilian learn the same manthras in sanskrit and recite them as a brahmin? even if he learn then also no one is going to invite him and pay him huge amount, becos he would not be treated as “God” also. By the way, where do the brahmins go to have bath and use toilet? Are they going to heaven daily or what?
A tamilian if he is attached to his language then he should call a person who would recite Thirukural at home or verses written by Thirumoolar or Maanikavasakar or any other Saint. They were all great scholars of tamil language. They are IMMORTAL. A person if he is adamant about calling a person to recite an unknown verses and treat him like God and pay him money then let him do and die. As far as temples are filled up with money and jewelleries, the people would have to face Naxalites, Maoists, terrorists the names they are given, poverty would remain forever. Is there any who would disperse money kept in hundals of the temples to fill up the stomach of poor people? Ok. visit the temples and pay for an invisible god and be an underdevelped country forever. India is infact “Country of Beggars”. No one can snatch this title from it by any means as far as temples and brahmins are alive. Temples so ancient are to be kept as place of Architectural value for people to visit not a place to loot the money. Give respect to tamil and tamilians.
Dear Rasigan & Geeta
I am really happy with your comments.It was really interesting and indeed explores the geniunity of Tamizh language to native dupes(Telugu & Kannadiga brotheren) and outsiders (Aryans,in Tamizh Ari yan (Unknown person).I request you to putforward some information for the kind notice of aforementioned group.So that,they would get to know the denying Tamizh is similar to denying their Mother or doubting their birth!
My personal obligation:Kindly forward more information about Tamizh to [email protected] forward the e-copy of Devaneya Pavanars “The primary classical languages of the world “(if available either in tamizh or English)
Thanks a lot my brotheren…long live Tamizh
Dear Abdul,
Thanks for the comments. Eid mubarak to you. I am not an expert about the language “tamizh”. I appreciate you for pronouncing it very correctly in purest form. I think i should learn from you. Very sadly these days the younger generations are not pronouncing the tamizh words correctly. Even the comedy actor vadivelu is also not pronouncing them correctly. I take this opportunity to inform the people whoever is watching vadivelu should not copy him. The tamil teachers in school and colleges should take measures to educate the students about the correct prounciation of each letter of tamizh.
ok. now….the aryans or the brahmins after their immediate invasion into our culture started making casteism, forward caste, backward and scheduled caste and very trying to neglect the people with darker skin tone and they were denied to do the jobs of high value in nature. How cruel they are..not only they invaded but also were introducing caste system. They began to capture the post where they can sit and earn comfortably and the people were formed into different groups, the business groups, the keepers of accounts, the people to clean the lavatrine and drainage, the people to stitch shoes and slippers and lot more groups were formed just becos of aryans. They took the very much comfortable white collar jobs and ofcourse the the most comfortable job of chanting sanskrit verses in the temples. Even they made another group of people who would make temples. so the division of everything started by none other but the culprits brahmins,
The aryans introduced Dahej in hindi or varadakhshina the money a girl should pay the boy who would marry her. What kind of nonsense system. Why should a girl who would take the whole responsibility of the family after marriage pay? Mentally and physically also she is abused and she is tortured for more and more dahej (money) and the girls commit suicide becos her poor parents could not pay the money or the girls are murdered by her in-laws. So, what we have seen so for many years, decades passed aryans have spoiled completely the whole culture of not only south india but also the whole india. Are we not the foolish people to follow these rituals by closing our eyes and letting our brain inactive. We should feel ashamed of ourselves for making these aryans ruling still. Why dont we abolish all kinds of nonsense customs introduced by the aryans?
ok, now abdul what can not you find out in google?. I can find anything and all on google except my lovable father and my adorable uncles they are no more on this earth. I think Mr.Rasigan may help you for all queries. As i said i am not an expert about the tamil literature but i can use my brain to expose the bad deeds of aryans. Thanks to internet for allowing me to express my emotions and facts. Lastly i would like to say that your religion is not influenced by the aryans and you people are the luckiest to use your brain and follow that the creator of this world is an invisible power…but peacful methods may please be followed and the glory of selfless love may please be taught to the youngsters for good life. bye. alvida.
Dear Geeta!
Thanks for your kind wishes and also,wish you the same “Perunaal Vazhtukkal”.I really appreciate your indepth & reverent effort taken for expressing unbiased comments in this forum.I really feel very sad about the poor unity of Dravidians(Telugu,Kannadiga ,Malayali brothern) while it comes to support Tamil language.Only because of their disunity ,our Patriots fail to receive the independent Dravidian nation Dravidistan from the imperialist English.It is very pity that aforementioned dravidian group didnot sense that they are enslaved by Hindians.If their support was likely rendered before independence ,we might have got Dravidistan with 4 South Indian states With Tamizh as the National Language.Still,As a consequence ,we are ruled by Hindians.
It is really pathetic to stay in Hindian influence in north.I am now working in Delhi but I have wide experience of travelling in hindi spoken belt as well as in south.Hindians are very cunning and they want to travel easily all over India and make easy business ,so,they tried to make Hindi as National Language but it was dropped because of Hindi Agitation in Tamizhagam(Thanks to Tamizh Politicians).It is just an official language like other Indian languages.Also,these Hindians comes to South and they may even stay 4r more than a decade but deny to learn our South Indian languages?Our South Indians and North east people should learn a lesson from this.Even they come to south they continue to speak in hindi and they even abstain to use english to localites.But we people when stay in north,we are atleast trying to talk in broken hindi…? even in our land we are responding to them in their Language.are they trying our languages?when we deny Hindi in our land ,thy told ,we r very selfish over language or zero tolerant but reality is that the are trying to indoctrinate their language and culture in biased manner.Will they accept to keep tamizh as the National language of India…?since,Tamizh is the oldest ,purest of Indian origin? as compared to sanskrit(mix of persion,European and Dravidian.).Here truth is under valued..that is indeed truth.They are highly poor tolerant and Hindi chauvinist.So, every north east and south indians should nullify the effect of Hindi supremacy.To be frank,there is no growth through Hindi,Even ,I STAYED IN urdu spoken hyderabad for an year and now i am staying in delhi for more than a year but i am runnin g my days and bread and butter with only English,even, i stop myself from speaking hindi maximum occasions and even, I didnt learn hindi..because i didnt find any growt through Hindi,so ,there is no need of Hindi to study in Tamizh nadu schools or other South indian schools.If u geniunely feel the need of language then you can learn..no taboos..So,be cautious of Hindians and their hypnotism….
Dear Abdul Saheb,
Thanks for writing about your opinions. Yes, indeed that hindi speaking people generally most of the north indians think of themselves always as the superior one just becos of their fair skin. What is in a skin actually? nothing, It will also mingle with the sand as any of the body of a person with dark skin. only the good actions of a person always speaks. If a north indian keeps hatred against a south indian just becos of skin colour then he should not talk about India and its independance and he should not talk about the British rule even. Though there are so many gem of persons in north indian I have found so far most of the north indians earn by fraudulent methods trafficking of girls and women, drugs, cheating people around by the help of the local people here in chennai or any other states of south india or any other place of india.
If a south indian is helping a north indian to make her or his own sisters to be a prostitute then they are the real criminals. They should feel ashamed of themselves for helping a north indian.
The north indians most of them are wealthy not becos of honest ways but becos of short cut earnings. you can not find the punjabi girls working as servant maids anywhere but they would be the first one to flirt around with boyfriend to earn quick money. They want easy money by all means. I have seen them flirting with boss of my office while we south indians were working hard. I have observed them a lot, just to buy a new handbag or a new pair of slippers they flirt around. Just to fill up their stomach in a restaurent they flirt around. The girls are generally very very bold about this matter. They can not sit for 8 hours to earn salary, becos they want the money in 1 hour time being cheap.
But when the employer of the office want such girls in their office then who would ever stop them? it is their culture Want of money and sex are the main reasons for them to go on wrong way. Though the boss would respect a south indian for being honest and hardworking he would not at any cost leave the chance of flirting with a punjabi girl.
In north india i also found out a girl belong to uttar pradesh would not be ready to flirt around. While comparing delhi to lucknow, i have found out that the people of lucknow are very much simple and conservative with helping tendancy too. But the culture in delhi is the worst. No girl is there without a boyfriend and some girls have boyfriends, numbers of them. So there is no dignity for a relationship and often their relationship comes to an end in 2 or 3 months and they dont care also about the ending of a relationship. Becos they can find again. Marriage has become almost a licence for them all. After marriage also they start to flirt with others. Dress culture is another important thing to be discussed here. When north indians mostly the punjabi girls wear a dress that makes a guy to flirt around with her. Is it not the way of luring a guy? wont they ever feel guilty of what they are doing? A indian girl should always dress up in a decent manner. The punjabis comes here to chennai to populariase this culture and if a tamilan girl does not follow then they start to humiliate her. Why a girl is not allowed to be decent and cultured? these are the serious matters to be think about. They are actually spoiling our conservative culture and brainwash them to go on wrong track.
So far tamilian culture has been spoiled becos of bad cultured people who visit here and becos of tamil films with vulgarity and bad advise by pimps in disguise of decent people so many girls have started cheating around. Only the parents and the teachers and counselling about good morals can only make them again follow their good traditions.
Among south indian languages, tamil is the only language not influenced by sanskrit so far fully. It has retained its originality. Other languages like kannada, telugu and malayalam (the original malayalam is called “Kadum Tamizh” the purest tamizh) have a lot of space to enter sanskrit. This shows how effectively the aryans have influenced them all. How cunningly they have entered into all the cultures. If a person is boasting about his knowledge about sanskrit or hindi is not a person to feel proud about his mother tongue. But he is a slave.
one year i went “Sripuram” an ashram like structure constructed beautifully occupying vast area was open to all. No charges. It was free for all to enter. But they have started charging for a darshan of a so called swami there now. Even then people go there spending money. He is a brahmin a person who would do all the duties like any of us do at home. But he is treated as a God. Dont the brahmins change their culture when the technology changes. They are riding bikes and mopeds to reach temples to chant manthras. They are using computers too. Very funny and indeed so sad to think that the dravidians are not ready to open their eyes. They had been suppressed, still under their domination and it seems will be also in future.
As far as an indian is respected just becos of his spontaneous speaking of english or hindi, we all indians feel ashamed of ourselves for being slaves stll and treating fellow indians in a bad way also.
My “kind wishes” are always with you Abdul aiyya.
Dear Ms.Geeta & Mr.Rasigan,
I really appreciate your comments to bring light the reality of Dravidian(Tamil) language,culture and tradition to outsiders(Aryan,in Tamil (ARI YAN-Unknown person) & native dupes(our Telugu and Kannidaga brotherhood).I really feel very sad that our dravidian brothren are denying or denigrading the truth of Tamil language and blindly ingratiating dead sanskrit.I request you to post similar kind of rational comments to reveal the geniune nature of Tamil to the world.Also,I humbly oblige you forward some more the information about Tamil to E-mail Id:[email protected] A LOT FOR YOUR HARDWORK.
Let Thamizh flourish for ever and ever
Aryan means noble this is what we have seen on internet or the meaning unknown person..it is not the truth. In the ancient period “ariyaanam” was the place where the tamizhan culture was very much active thereafter unknown people entered and they changed its name into haryaana. Aran was worshipped in that area once upon a time, he is also called as murugan or kumaran, the protector of water. Since, they the unknown people had different way of prounouncing words they had changed everything. They had added “h” to Ariyaanam and called it “haryaana”. We say Raakul, they say Raahul. The holy city “Haridwar” was once upon a time “Arithuwaaram” again Murugan or Ari was worshipped in that area, today it is no more tamizhan land. Arithuwaaram, thuwaaram means the gateway, ie the gateway of lord Ari…lord murugan. The world would not accept our points.
I really want to thank you all for all this amazing information, im not Indian though, im Mexican but i have been living in India for 2 years, currently in Chennai and i can see the purity of the Tamil people, is amazing how the western world is getting so badly influenced by materialistic things and sex, and sometimes when you live surrounded by that kind of mentality you think is the only way of life….living here in India and sharing with Tamil people has opened my mind to a whole new way of looking at things, and let me tell you, is a relief to know that there are still people that see life with respect, values, morals and love for fellow human beings and for animals. Thank you all
Dear Patz,
Welcome to our tamil land. Thanks for your valuable comments. You know what… as a tamilian i have not even studied fully the “Thirukural” written by the Sage Thiruvalluvar. He was a scholar of tamil language and his writings about morals and good ways to lead the life explained each of them amazingly in two lines was a world famous Sage. It is translated in many more languages. His statue is installed there in kanyakumari the deep south by the grace of the Chief Minister of Tamilnadu Mr.Karunanidhi. Not only thirukural but also the writings of Thirumoolar, Maanikavasakar, Agasthiyar the first siddhar of 18 siddhars to have introduced the “siddha medicine” to the world in written form are all precious treasure to be kept forever. Many of them known and unknown for the present day generation..they were all gems.
Tamilian life was a controlled life with tradition and good culture. A conservative or a traditional or a homely tamil woman would always get up early in the morning to have a bath first of all to clean her doorway entrance and make kolam (a type of art to enhance the beauty of the entrance to the home). It is followed in other states of south india also. Thereafter she would lit up vilakku.. a light to glow before the photo or statue of God. Thereafter she would make food and her daily duties. But it can not be followed today as it has become a faster life but definitely followed religiously in the villages and the remote cities far away from the ever changing modern cities.
Want of money and sex have made people to go on wrong track. When they would ever stop thinking about having sophisticated life through short cut or fradulent methods and follow honest ways to have a life full of contentment to fulfil their basic needs then only this world would be peaceful.
Modern culture of having boyfriend and girlfriend is a new threat to have entered our tamil culture. The girls are duped many times and so many of them hide everything from their parents and they are not bold enough to report to the society to stop exploitation. If it continues then there wont be any control in life. When our mind goes on right path then there would be no need for Ashrams and Swamis. They always attach the name “Anand” (happiness) with their name…but in reality they have “Anand” indeed by exploiting the depressed people and the little bit “Anandam” of the people who follow them vanish away forever and they would become much more depressed again and they would keep on entering into the ashrams. Harmful drugs are used in the ashram to stop the consciousness of people to exploit them.
If God is omnipresent then how can anyone lock him in a temple. He is an omnipotent and have all wealth. Why would God ever need money from his creations? A small flower is enough to please God than load of flowers. Lots and lots of exploitations are happening in the name of religion and people should open their eyes to see the exploiters and teach them a lesson. God would stay in our heart when it is so pure. The whole earth was created by a Supernatural Invisible Power which has no form at all. Since humans want to communicate and share they are in need of a statue. If it is necessary then it should be followed with pure thoughts with selfess efforts.
When man has already reached moon then he can reach so many planets to explore!!!
Sage Agathiyar not Agasthiyar.
i hope one day you would change to lead a life full of peace and progress with good health :) May the Almighty bless you Mr.Patz.
Siva a man who was made a “God” by the dravidians (facts are needed) or by the aryans (for selfish purposes) was a vegetarian. When he introduced the “YOGA” to the people for controlling all five senses for disease free and clean life, how can Agori babas made him as a non-vegetarian. A cannibal is considered as Siva in india. What a foolish country and foolish people!! We wont develop at all. Remain fools forever.
The saivaitees,are the followers of Siva they are all vegetarians. How can a person who was leading a pious life of a “yogi” would ever be a non-vegetarian. Siva introduced all herbals for curing illness and he was a siddhar and his followers were all called siddhars and the medicine siva introduced to the world is called “Siddha”. Aryans have made efforts to hide this medical practise by stealing all written documents from the 18 Siddhars and later on introduced as “Ayurveda” to the world. This shows the aryans are by nature very very cunning and indisciplined people with bad nature.
Siva was a good hunter does not mean that he was a meat eater. He was spending his days in the forest and he was in need of a tiger skin to protect himself from the cool climate. He was following a life full of purity. The aryans have changed everything and written all rubbish to fool the people and just becos of their fairer skin began to suppress the people with brown or black coloured skin and began to call Siva as Shiva. Sanskrit has started taking place not only in tamilnadu the other states of south india as well.
Siva the word came from the tamil word “Sivappu”means red colour as siva was considered a man of Fire. (his mood angry when he was dancing violently in graveyard atmidnight “Rathiri or iravu thandavam (thandavam means stretching the body forward and jumping ) or nadanam or naatiyam ……or the aryans call it “Rudhrathandavam”) When siva was dancing he was dancing for the music introduced by the dravidans. Basically by birth the aryans are people of jealousiness and cunningness. They want to always rule the place wherever they are. They wont allow a dravidian to show his art to this world. Aryans with their dominating nature want to rule the whole south india in general.
Ancient tamizhian learnt all kinds of arts by himself…infact, he learnt watching nature, animals and birds… and the one bird that inspired much was the bird “cock”…i think when it makes the sound “cocadoodle doo”…the letter the tamizh letter “ka” came in and from cow “amma” the letter “a”…what made him create the remaining letters…..i wonder now, how did he learn to write a lot of literature by using such letters….it is amazing even now..for example “thirupaavai”, thirumanthiram”, thirukkural, naanmarai still unknown literatures….. etc.etc.
Siva a man who was made a “God” by the dravidians (facts are needed) or by the aryans (for selfish purposes) was a vegetarian. When he introduced the YOGA to the people for controlling all five senses for a disease free and clean life, people have made him as a non-vegetarian.
The “saivaitees”,are the followers of Siva they are all vegetarians. How can a person who was leading a pious life of a “yogi” would ever be a non-vegetarian. Siva introduced all herbals for curing illness and he was a siddhar and his followers were all called siddhars and the medicine siva introduced to the world is called “Siddha”. Aryans have made efforts to hide this medical practise by stealing all written documents from the 18 Siddhars and later on introduced as “Ayurveda” to the world. This shows the aryans are by nature very very cunning and indisciplined people with bad nature.
Siva was a good hunter does not mean that he was a meat eater. He was spending his days in the forest and he was in need of a tiger skin to protect himself from the cool climate. He was following a life full of purity. He was meditating for a peaceful mind. The aryans have changed everything and written all rubbish to fool the people and just becos of their fairer skin began to suppress the people with brown or black coloured skin and began to call Siva as Shiva. Siva the word came from the tamil word “Sivappu”means red colour as siva was considered a man of Fire. (his mood angry when he was dancing violently in graveyard at midnight “Rathiri or iravu thandavam (thandavam means stretching the body forward and jumping ) or nadanam or naatiyam ……or the aryans call it “Rudhrathandavam”) Siva was a man of powerful arts which are being used by us. When siva was dancing ofcourse music was also introduced by the dravidians for all kinds of movements and expressions. Basically by birth the aryans are people of jealous and cunningness. They want to always rule the place wherever they are.
They would never introduce a dravidan to the world to express his arts. Aryans or the brahmins want always to dominate the whole south india in general.
u had no idea about the fact that you would one day understand everything about “sivan”….yes!!!!! today i am with “truth”and revelation.
bujji gadu……this is not about which language is the oldest one but the “efforts to make it survive”. You kno that aryans have already entered not into our culture but yours as well and their nature of suppression and domination make us put lot of strain to keep the tamil language alive. When we talk about tamil does that mean that we degrade other languages. Everyone should feel proud about his mother tongue. You should also. Becos of the powerful muslim dynasty in your state the urdu language is widely used by people in andhra and thats why in order to communicate with the bussinessmen who can very well manage their business there becos of urdu, hindi has also become the “must language” in your state. That does not mean whoever is not speaking hindi is a fool. We can learn hindi when there is a need and there is no harm in learning it to gain knowledge. otherwise why should we people chase any other language when we have our own language. Just becos english has considered as the main communicative language for the whole world people are ready to learn it for progress and studies. Otherwise there is no need for english at all. The bottomline is you should be aware of more and more languages of this world for your knowledge at the same time keeping in mind the dignity of our mother tongue as well and be always alert about its survival.
Please dont use here abusive words to hurt people that wont lead you to peaceful life anywhere. Just appreciate anyone. No one is trying to hurt you or your language here.
Aryans arnโt the natural inhabitants of India , they are intruders, they were actually illiterate nomads who stepped in for food and shelter, later learnt the arts and literature from dravidians and the way of life (which is what is called Hinduism now) .
In a later period they came out with Sanskrit and the caste system, the asserts of Aryans. Later they fabricated Hinduismsโ way of life, caste system was forced into Hinduism.
Later their ideas and fabrication was scattered all over.
Tamil language naturally influence Sanskrit when it was created because Tamil was the only reference the Aryans had before coming up with Sanskrit.
In the later medieval period, not to deny the fact Sanskrit did influence Tamil language with Sanskrit words like โshaโ and โhaโ being used in Tamil .
But in actual fact what Sanskrit is a language way much younger than Tamil.
Tamil language is a member of the Dravidian/ South Indian family of languages. The Dravidian languages are mother tongues of about a quarter of the Indian population. Though about 80% of the speakers are found within the borders of these four South Indian states, a number of Dravidian languages have been identified in other parts of South Asia. Among the tribal languages of Central India, almost extending to the borders of Bengal, distinct from the Austro-Asiatic family of languages, many Dravidian languages have been identified. The northern reaches of this family have been located in isolated settlements in Nepal and Pakistan. The Brahui speakers are found in the hills of Baluchistan, almost on the borders of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. So, the Dravidian family of languages is a South Asian family of languages in one sense. About 22 languages are classified as belonging to the Dravidian family and on linguisic criteria, sub-division as North, Central and South Dravidian are made. Tamils alone number about 60 million people.
An Introduction to the History of Tamil People
(by Prof. A. Velupillai)
kamasutra (lessons about sexual intercourse) was introduced by the aryans and they made it spread all over the world. The complete ruin of any rich culture started becos of these lessons about sex. there is no need at all for such things in the purest form of life. our body is perishable by nature. If there is no spirit in the body the body would start to spread bad smell very quickly. Thats it. Pure love or passion or compassion or affection or attachment are to be appreciated with good thoughts.
The aryans have spoiled the most respected conservative tamil culture. The tamil girls would never wholeheartedly enter the film world even to show their skin. They are very much homely and shy natured. only becos of extreme poverty or to show their talent thinking that “everything is fine” would enter the film world with innocence. otherwise they are by nature shy, very very hard working and honest to lead their life. But by the invasion of aryans their life is shattered and they are pushed to the corner to sit and die without exposing their good talents. They are taught to do wrong things. Even if a tamilian girl or a woman is suffering becos of a brahmin (aryan) then she or he is responsible for their bad deeds would face the punishment given by Almighty. The aryans have cleverly made the kings who ruled tamilnadu to make the temples with statues of sex appeal only to spoil the minds of the people. They have raped our rich Tamil culture so far. The invisible power that rules our earth can only give answers to all questions.
amazing point of view, i completely agree with you
Recently i read in a tamizh magazine, that the naked idols are kept in the hindu temples just to make the people aware about sex, because if they start thinking about Gods and religious matters they wont think about sex, so in order to make them realise about sex and create further the population, there is a need of such idols…..MY COMMENT….that is the foolish comment i have ever seen surely given by an aryan the magazine itself is full of aryans and their thoughts.
Without visiting temples and watching naked idols one can make himself purely romantic and love a girl. That would be definitely the PURE LOVE. The different sexual postures in temples are kept to corrupt the minds of people. Where divine atmosphere prevails, the mind should only immerse into the thoughts of God and his blessings. No other matter should cross and corrupt the mind. The basic priniciple of meditation is attaining a goal without diverting the mind. Pure love means showing love that would be without any other evil thoughts. It would come automatically, there is no need to stimulate the mind of the person by showing him vulgarity. Pure love means a soft flower, soft emotions, soft air, soft rhythm and soft atmosphere. Stop fooling the people and stop indulging in sexual activities inside the temple before the idols of Gods. Go to to your home and think about it and close the door. Stop spoiling the divinity of temples full of divine arts created by the painful fingers.
In the past, women who had never been to temples and worshipped at home only and very much devotional had more than 10 kids. NOTE THIS POINT.
Siva the talented person he was.. as a hunter, founder of siddha medicine, yoga and bharatnatyam is worshipped as God and he is a dravidian. Yoga is meant for inner peace and controlled life. Siva if he is alive would make all the aryans run out of tamilnadu. He is not alive to teach the aryans the lesson thats why the aryans are crossing their limits. The world has today come to know about the antiquity of siddha medicine and the richness of tamil language just becos of some people who were in need of the truth about the beginnings. The aryans are nothing but those who came for food and shelter in tamilnadu.
what aryans have in them. They can only spoil the language and the tamilians and their rich culture. Temples are built by the hard working people and they are in to exploit the dravidians. the easiest job on earth is to chant manthras and mint money. the aryans have taken this job cunnigly. they have already brainwashed the dravidians in a well planned manner and they are still exploiting without guilty conscience. Just becos of Ilaiyaraja and AR Rahman and some other non-brahmin talented people the world has come to know abut the glory of tamils culture. otherwise the talent of the tamilians was not shown becos of their partiality and their over domination in our culture.
The aryans dont have culture at all. They spoil the richest and conservative culutre of dravidians by their invasion. They are actually not fearing about God and they are chanting manthras in temples. How funny!!!
If you need rhythm in a language, then i think u have misunderstood the necessity of a language. its for communication and not for singing. Tamil is the oldest language in India. Accept it. It is the truth. Aryans spoke Snskrit. U say it is the language of god. Does it mean all dravidians had no god before aryans came into india for food and shelter. Further saying tamil language began in 1000AD is utter stupidity. The Kumari kandam and Lemuria kandam stretches back to 200,000BC. Read the report by UNESCO on Tamil to be older than Egyptian and Greek.
If you people do not want to understand the depth of language, please restrain from commenting bad about that language. Tamil is one of the oldest living language in the world. It has been researched to a greater extent and accepted. Sanskrit is also one of the oldest language but it has got nothing to do with Tamil We can call Sanskrit and Tamil are contemporary languages in India but which is oldest? No one knows. All other dravidian languages are derevative of Tamil. Please go through wikipedia at least before writing comments here.
Thanks and Regards,
Vinoth
as per the present situation The fact is “Tamils” are socially, economically backward class apart from that they look dark and lean and ugly/conservative with less exposure to world class things.as such If any weaker section of society like tamils cries out nobody wants to hear to it this is what happening to the tamil language and the tamils.the reason is the “Brahmins” (migrated to tamilnadu as aryansrace)they understand better.As scholors of north india they came to tamilnadu and started learning tamil language/culture and seperated themselves from the native tamils with the influence of the aryan kings.during this course of time the original scriptures would have been destroyed.so,thus the suppression of the tamils/tamil language continued for a longer time untill the PANDYAN/CHERA/CHOLA kings tookover.rest is history/glory of tamils art,architecture,literature,music,dance,culture,food etc.,the world witnessed today.well about “TELUGU” it is a modern language without any rules of GRAMMAR with lot of characters/alphabets.which reflects the mindset of teluguites.their quick adaptation to western interests.none of the present generation can speak telugu without an ENGLISH word.I bet you go and watch any TELUGU NEWS Channel for instance TV9!.So it is a dying language following sanskrit.
Hebrew, Chinese and Greek are the oldest living languages in the world. We have all the proofs to show these language’s antiquity,
Sanskrit cannot be accepted as a God’s language. That conversation will lead to conflitcs between religious views. Antiquity between Sanskrit and Tamil is still a debate.So, the fourth place is either Sanskrit or Tamil. But considering, the usage in today’s world, Tamil stands out compared to sanskrit.
A language should transform itself, without loosing it’s originality, over the years to survive. Sanskrit failed on this aspect. Tamil survived and succeeded.
Other languages mentioned here like Kannad, Telug, Malaya are all derivatives from Tamil. Is tamil a derivative of Sanskrit – is still under research.
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Age of the Languages are determined by the inscriptions found by the archeologist.Here are some of the inscriptions and their ages.
1.Tamil – Adichanallur near Tirunelveli inscription dates back around 300 B.C
2.Sanskrit – Ashoka edicts(32 inscriptions) around 260 B.C
3.Kannada – Halmidi near Mysore inscription around 450 A.D
4.Telugu- Inscriptions containing Telugu words dated to 400 BCE were discovered in Bhattiprolu in Guntur district.
please visit this link http://www.ancientscripts.com/indus.html
It was very cruel that Telugu and Kannada are declared as classical language by the Indian government because of political reasons.Classical Language status should be given if a Language is more than 2000 years old.Kannada can be given classical language because it is 2000 year old language.But it is very unfortunate that Telugu has been granted Classical language status.Because Telugu is less than 2000 year old language according to the findings of archaeologist.Our Indian government will give Classical language status to Tulu and Badugas also if they put political pressure.Telugu has no moral Rights to claim for classical language status.world language experts will never agree if they came to know about classical language is given to Telugu.
Hai all,
the statues and things got in the harappan civilization is written by tamil. but its written from right to left like urdu……
so as of now tamil is d language
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Dont be a fool oky there was a Language which is mother to all these dravid languages. which was oldest(the tamil is not that language its a descendent, same as telugu).
Dear Good words user Mr.Buchigadu,
Is that is your mother tongue culture of using words like is your mother tongue word.Because every where you are using the word .It is a shame for telugu persons because of you because every word in this Forum reflects your mother tongue and your culture.
Dear friends,
Many people are saying that we had found carnatic music,our kings ruled your state,we had done this, we had done that.But this forum is about oldest language.so talk about the age of your Language and please mention your age of your Language according to the findings of Archeologist.so that everyone knows the age of other languages.It is very sad that some criminals are using this forum and using very bad words like .
Yessu, I telugu guyyu, I know tamilu alsou, and its truue that tamilu may be older than telugu or other langugessu in Indiavu, but sanskrit excludedu as no proofu, I speakng like thisu bcosu many tamilians thinku tat telungu ppl speaku englishu like thisu, and they speaku better englishu than telungu pplu…
But ’em all, hey guys may be tamil is oldest that doesn’t mean tat other languages are not worth, its simply bcos if my grand dad of mom is older than Gandhi, tat doesn’t mean he is geater than Gandhi, and it is bcos of this idea u ppl don’t have idea abt other important languages, and u will knw all this in u r life wen u r in need of other languages, so guys, no matter how old is the thing u speak, it only matters how lively, sweet or expresive it is, u guys bcum a piece of shit if u move to North India, as more than 90% of tamilians have no idea abt hindi, so stop being shit and try learning other important languages, bcos u can’t go to Europe or US, and up saying that my language is oldest in the world so, everyone please start speaking my language! the answer u get from ’em is a big ” U”.
Telugu is cosidered the sweetest language of India, but we din’t stick to it ? more than 80% of Andhra ppl can speak hindi too to good extent.
I pity tamilians for their knowledge levels(not all but many), they seriously live in their own world, I found some ppl in my first yr of grad in some coll in CBE, who doesn’t even know what an IIT is, but they know there is an IIT Madras in their state and dnno wat ppl inside it do. but they cum for graduation wid out an idea abt al this, ah! me man! I cudn’t believ tat even nw….. but its true..
If u ask wat i personally consider the best of languages is, its truly english, English creates miracles in life, atleast for we hindi speaking guys of India. English is very very expressive, ofcourse even our languages are, but the fact is u can live with it in any part of de world, so i say it is expressive at global level, me if not…..
Last but not the least, if u r born to u r mom, tat doesn’t mean u shud live u r entire life for her, ofcourse u don’t, bcos u r diferent and so is u r life, ofcourse u love her, but remember u live u r life, not she. Same case wid languages, love u r language and u have all the rights to say not to disrespect u r language, thats the end of the story, no oldie, no greatie. If u think r language is greatest, den go and urself man, I dont give a shit to it! I like all languages as long as they communicate me wid humans… Good bye!
wow ..wut u wrote was amazing…even i dont understand …wuts wid tamilians …i mean wut kind of world do they live in ..it is obvious that to survive u need another language be it hindi or english …but they get so aggresive when it comes to speaking in hindi and on top of it thr english is another coded language ..which is like tamilian for us …i had class-mates from tamilnadu and they use to have so much problem ..even though they can understand wut teacher is speaking ..but when it comes to expressing them self ..they loose on that ground …and being friendly with them was like talking to a rock …
YES. so many invasions have made them rock. What to do? Survival is difficult in this world.
bujji gadu……this is not about which language is the oldest one but the efforts to make it survive. You kno that aryans have already entered not into our culture but yours as well and their nature of suppression and domination make us put lot of strain to keep the tamil language alive. When we talk about tamil does that mean that we degrade other languages. Everyone should feel proud about his mother tongue. You should also. Becos of the powerful muslim dynasty in your state the urdu language is widely used by people in andhra and thats why in order to communicate with the bussinessmen who can very well manage their business there becos of urdu, hindi has become the must language in your state. That does not mean whoever is not speaking hindi is a fool. Why should we people chase any other language when we have our own language. Just becos english has considered as the main communicative language for the whole world people are ready to learn it for progress and studies. Otherwise there is no need for english at all. The bottomline is you should be aware of more and more languages of this world for your knowledge at the same time keeping in mind the dignity of our mother tongue as well.
Please dont use here abusive words to hurt people that wont lead you to peaceful life anywhere. Just appreciate anyone. No one is trying to hurt you or your language here.
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@ Abdul, first u should know that Telugu is NOT a Dravidian language.
Lakshmi!
Kindly go through a reverent study on languages.Telugu is an Dravidian derivative with much influence of Indo-Aryan essence of Language.
who told u telugu is not a dravidian language . do u have any proof. Telugu people love sanskrit language so they adopted many words from that language.(around the time of Nannaya )
@ Maanick Baasha, Very well said Maanick. Keep it up.
The Rigveda dating back to around 1500 BC was written in Sanskrit and not Tamil, whereas Tamil is dated back to only about 3rd century BC.
Hope this is simple to understand for all those who say Tamil is the oldest.
All bullshit, is this important which language is older, get back to work yaar.
I know every one will proud if their belonging’s are famous. let suppose my car is the fastest in world, my country is oldest. Even though one language is older who will prefer it, any one prefer which one will be useful.
If you go abroad will you spake in Sanskrit or Tamil you have to speak what they know. So please stop fighting all Tamilians. It is quite natural that every one who is not Tamilian will say Sanskrit is grate, you may know the reason behind this because from child hood every one will here about Sanskrit but not about Tamil, If you suddenly come and say Tamil is the old and best no one will accept. If some one accepting Tamil is the greatest language he must be only Tamilian, if some one who say Gujarati is great he must from Gujarat. And every body know Sanskrit is famous than Tamil world wide. So stop fighting and say India is greatest, don’t forget that all Indians other than Tamil will not accept Tamil is greatest, than I will say Marathi is greatest language ever, you know why because I know it :).
Dai naya.. accept the truth da.. Tamil is always best not marathi
In marathi if you say for rent “bhada” and tell the hindi people that it is a marathi word they use, but the root and the full form for rent is in tamizh “vaadagai”….you have shortened it and say “bhada” by adding “bha” sound to it….am very much say to know that most of all the tamizh words are shortened and used in a different way and it is hard to explain to this world about the antiquity of tamizh because those who are not familiar with our tamizh culture and do not speak tamizh would not understand this reality…and everything has been changed. I am feeling satisfied atleast for pouring my emotions for my mother tongue..i hope somewhere a power supreme is watching me and all who are working hard to establish the facts.
Hello Friends,
I am a Kannadiga and from Bangalore.
I strongly feel we should forget this Regional issues and think about the country.
So stop BULL SHITTING on your languages and tell if your state and language has accepetd all and helped in countries growth and the rich culture.
I advise you to please do a search chicago speech made by Vivekananda on sep 11th 1893.
Lastly Iam closing by saying that I am an Indian first then an Kannadiga.
Hope I have not bugged you guys…if yes then carry on and ENJOY :)
-Anil
I totally agree with Anil and appreciate his thought.
Even though i am proud Tamilian I feel we are let behind by not trying to learn more lanuage and stuck with it (this has been my experiance now 18 years outside Tamil Nadu after I finished my college).
We are not able to appreciate others because we dont know ANYTHINk about it and I feel to give a good critic you should know .
So now time has come to look greater side of life this also what Tiruvalluvar says.
-Sarvanan
For meditation, Swami Vivekanand had gone to kanyakumari only, the place where the three oceans meet together. When he was in america to deliver a speech, he was not given importance only 10 minutes was allowed. He was saying sisters and brothers instead of ladies and gentlemen, the crowd was so much impressed by this and clapped hands for hours and he was talking for almost 1 hour about indian culture and the relationship, the family the bond, the culture there was silence all of them keenly listening to this speech. Swami Vivekanand suffered a lot in his life and learnt about relations, their selfish aims and he wanted to seek the immense pleasure that was in a spiritual world he had so many questions in his mind and he found atlast that each humanbeing has in him some kind of divine power which he does not aware and if he ever properly use it in a good way he can achieve so many things in life.
His opinion is what you believe follow it with great faith. There is no need to follow Lord Buddha or any other great humanbeing but believe yourself. Because each one us are having with us some kind of divine power which would guide us always what to do. From this world of commotion he wanted to escape and peaceful so Swami Vivekananda was sitting on a rock in kanyakumari, she impressed him a lot, the cradle of civilisation responsible for everything.
look this is not the place to quarrel or fight… WORLD IS WATCHING US. DON SPOIL OUR COUNTRY’S NAME AND FAME… FOR OUR DIVINE BHARAT MAATA, ALL INDIANS ARE HER CHILDREN..ALL THEIR LANGUAGES ARE HER JEWELS AND ORNAMENTS..UNDERSTAND THAT… NOT ONLY TAMIL,TELUGU,MALYALM,KANNADA,SANSKRIT… ALL OTHER LANGUAGES LIKE BENAGALI,MARATHI,URUDU,PUNJABI,ORIYA,GUJUARATI,RAJASTANI,HINDI
ASSAMI,MANIPURI,TULU,KONKANI ALL R OUR PRIDE..LOVE INDIA..
prakrit is the root language for sanskrit… both prakrit and tamil are derived from a language called tamili…. however its Tamil or sanskrit… to be oldest… they r the pride of our nation… I love India and its people,
world’s greatest country….world’s wealthiest culture and heritage…and divide people by races… we are one..and we r Indians… also we are humans… we should be the morals to other countries…so plz don fight..
May be Tamil is Older than Telugu.But most of the Tamilians think that no other language is greater.But all Indian languages are originated from Sanskrit.So we must respect every Indian language.
Hai Krishna Priya!
*Sanskrit is not indegenous to India.
*Tamizh is independent of Origin .I am posting this for your Kind reference,
April 11, 2000
Statement on the Status of Tamil as a Classical Language
Professor Maraimalai has asked me to write regarding the position of Tamil as a classical language, and I am delighted to respond to his request.
I have been a Professor of Tamil at the University of California, Berkeley, since 1975 and am currently holder of the Tamil Chair at that institution. My degree, which I received in 1970, is in Sanskrit, from Harvard, and my first employment was as a Sanskrit professor at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, in 1969. Besides Tamil and Sanskrit, I know the classical languages of Latin and Greek and have read extensively in their literatures in the original. I am also well-acquainted with comparative linguistics and the literatures of modern Europe (I know Russian, German, and French and have read extensively in those languages) as well as the literatures of modern India, which, with the exception of Tamil and some Malayalam, I have read in translation. I have spent much time discussing Telugu literature and its tradition with V. Narayanarao, one of the greatest living Telugu scholars, and so I know that tradition especially well. As a long-standing member of a South Asian Studies department, I have also been exposed to the richness of both Hindi literature, and I have read in detail about Mahadevi Varma, Tulsi, and Kabir.
I have spent many years — most of my life (since 1963) — studying Sanskrit. I have read in the original all of Kalidasa, Magha, and parts of Bharavi and Sri Harsa. I have also read in the original the fifth book of the Rig Veda as well as many other sections, many of the Upanisads, most of the Mahabharata, the Kathasaritsagara, Adi Sankaraโs works, and many other works in Sanskrit.
I say this not because I wish to show my erudition, but rather to establish my fitness for judging whether a literature is classical. Let me state unequivocally that, by any criteria one may choose, Tamil is one of the great classical literatures and traditions of the world.
The reasons for this are many; let me consider them one by one.
First, Tamil is of considerable antiquity. It predates the literatures of other modern Indian languages by more than a thousand years. Its oldest work, the Tolkappiyam,, contains parts that, judging from the earliest Tamil inscriptions, date back to about 200 BCE. The greatest works of ancient Tamil, the Sangam anthologies and the Pattuppattu, date to the first two centuries of the current era. They are the first great secular body of poetry written in India, predating Kalidasa’s works by two hundred years.
Second, Tamil constitutes the only literary tradition indigenous to India that is not derived from Sanskrit. Indeed, its literature arose before the influence of Sanskrit in the South became strong and so is qualitatively different from anything we have in Sanskrit or other Indian languages. It has its own poetic theory, its own grammatical tradition, its own esthetics, and, above all, a large body of literature that is quite unique. It shows a sort of Indian sensibility that is quite different from anything in Sanskrit or other Indian languages, and it contains its own extremely rich and vast intellectual tradition.
Third, the quality of classical Tamil literature is such that it is fit to stand beside the great literatures of Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, Chinese, Persian and Arabic. The subtlety and profundity of its works, their varied scope (Tamil is the only premodern Indian literature to treat the subaltern extensively), and their universality qualify Tamil to stand as one of the great classical traditions and literatures of the world. Everyone knows the Tirukkural, one of the world’s greatest works on ethics; but this is merely one of a myriad of major and extremely varied works that comprise the Tamil classical tradition. There is not a facet of human existence that is not explored and illuminated by this great literature.
Finally, Tamil is one of the primary independent sources of modern Indian culture and tradition. I have written extensively on the influence of a Southern tradition on the Sanskrit poetic tradition. But equally important, the great sacred works of Tamil Hinduism, beginning with the Sangam Anthologies, have undergirded the development of modern Hinduism. Their ideas were taken into the Bhagavata Purana and other texts (in Telugu and Kannada as well as Sanskrit), whence they spread all over India. Tamil has its own works that are considered to be as sacred as the Vedas and that are recited alongside Vedic mantras in the great Vaisnava temples of South India (such as Tirupati). And just as Sanskrit is the source of the modern Indo-Aryan languages, classical Tamil is the source language of modern Tamil and Malayalam. As Sanskrit is the most conservative and least changed of the Indo-Aryan languages, Tamil is the most conservative of the Dravidian languages, the touchstone that linguists must consult to understand the nature and development of Dravidian.
In trying to discern why Tamil has not been recognized as a classical language, I can see only a political reason: there is a fear that if Tamil is selected as a classical language, other Indian languages may claim similar status. This is an unnecessary worry. I am well aware of the richness of the modern Indian languages — I know that they are among the most fecund and productive languages on earth, each having begotten a modern (and often medieval) literature that can stand with any of the major literatures of the world. Yet none of them is a classical language. Like English and the other modern languages of Europe (with the exception of Greek), they rose on preexisting traditions rather late and developed in the second millennium. The fact that Greek is universally recognized as a classical language in Europe does not lead the French or the English to claim classical status for their languages.
To qualify as a classical tradition, a language must fit several criteria: it should be ancient, it should be an independent tradition that arose mostly on its own not as an offshoot of another tradition, and it must have a large and extremely rich body of ancient literature. Unlike the other modern languages of India, Tamil meets each of these requirements. It is extremely old (as old as Latin and older than Arabic); it arose as an entirely independent tradition, with almost no influence from Sanskrit or other languages; and its ancient literature is indescribably vast and rich.
It seems strange to me that I should have to write an essay such as this claiming that Tamil is a classical literature — it is akin to claiming that India is a great country or Hinduism is one of the world’s great religions. The status of Tamil as one of the great classical languages of the world is something that is patently obvious to anyone who knows the subject. To deny that Tamil is a classical language is to deny a vital and central part of the greatness and richness of Indian culture.
(Signed:)
George L. Hart
Professor of Tamil
Chair in Tamil Studies
Hi All,
First language sopken & written was Sanskrit and later Greek , Kannada, Telugu , Tamil. Please dont discremate any language.
All languages are part of sanaskrit and it is the mother of all languages.
Dear Jaya Prakash!
Like ‘English words’ liberalised in our present day usage.(i..e)Words for FAN,SWITCH ,FRIDGE,CYCLE are used in English instead of Indian Languages.Like wise Sanskrit was liberalised in Dravdian Language in past.So,One cant blindly say that ‘Telugu’ or ‘Tamizh’ is Originated from English because of’ English influence ‘ or more usage of ‘English words ‘on our language.Similarly,we cant say sanskrit is the mother of all languages.
Hi All,
First language sopken & written was Sanskrit and later Greek , Kannaga, Telugu , Tamil. Please dont discremate any language.
All languages are part of sanaskrit and it is the mother of all languages.
Dear Friends,
we have many proof to claim that Tamil is the oldest language in India.we are not claiming blindly for the oldest language status.Other language speaking people – Please ask scholars who are in language research.They will surely tell that Tamil is the oldest language in the india.
Telugu Culture
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Telugu Samskruti
Telugu Saampradaayam
Endaro Mahaanubhaavulu
Andarikee Maa Vandanaalu ………
please dont fight…….. sanskrit is the gods language ….
World’s sweet language Telugu………………………
Hai Lakshmi,
Kindly undergo detailed study before commenting your views,
*Tamil is the oldest language of independant origin(refer:Primary classical languages of world,Dead sanskrit is always dead)
*Tamil is the mother of 22 Dravidian languages (in which Telugu is also one among them)
*Sanskrit is the corrupt form of Tamil ,Munda,Irani & Pali language
*Among 1 lakh inscriptions in India,55,000 accounts Tamil itself
*Indian Governement is totally biased and concealing the truth & prosperity of Tamil (Truth can be hidden temprorarily but not permanently)
*Word “Dravidian” is derivative of word Tamil (Meaning:Thiru Vidam-Great Place)
NOTE:I feel sad that you(Dravidians) are blood relations denying to accept the prosperity of mother Tamil.Instead you should have been delighted to support!
I would like to know more about the History of Tamil Language, Can you help me? Existance of Tamil is found at around 500 B.C. Among the Dravidian language it is least influenced be ‘sanskrit’.
Dear Mr.ARJUN,
Kindly share your e-mail address,so that,I can forward you more information about Tamizh
Dear Mr.Arjun,
This is for your Kind Reference,
Devaneya Pavanar (; ; also known as G. Devaneyan, รanamuttan Tevaneyan; lived 1902โ1981), was a prominent Indian Tamil author who wrote over 35 books.
In his 1966 Primary Classical language of the World he makes some extraordinary claims – for example he argued that the Tamil language is the “most natural” () and also a proto-world language, being the oldest () language of the world, from which all other major languages of the world are derived. He believed that its literature, later called Sangam literature and usually considered to have been written from 200 BCE and 300 CE, spanned a huge period from 10,000 to 5,500 BCE. He was also a staunch proponent of the “Pure Tamil movement” and initiated the Etymological Dictionary Project primarily to bring out the roots of Tamil words and their connections and ramifications.
Devaneya Pavanar composed many musical pieces (Isaik kalambakam) and many noteworthy poems, including the collection of Venpa. The title was conferred on him by the Tamil Nadu State Government in 1979, and he was also addressed as () “Sun of language”.
Biography
Gnanamuthu Devaneyan Pavanar was born on 7 February 1902 in Sankaranayinar Koil(sankarankovil, Tamil Nadu to his parents Thiru.Gnanamuthu Devendrar Pillai and Paripuranam Ammaiyar. He was educated in the C.M.J. High School, Palayankottai, S.S.L.C. (1916โ1918) and trained as a teacher in Madras University. He married in 1930 and had four sons and one daughter, the daughter being the fourth child.
He worked as a Tamil teacher in several High Schools, 1922-1944. During this time, he pursued autodidactic studies of Dravidian philology and comparative linguistics.
He was Tamil professor at Municipal College, Salem, 1944-1956. From 1956-1961, he was Reader in Dravidian Philology at Annamalai University. He was a member of the Tamil Development and Research Council, set up by the Nehru government in 1959, entrusted with producing Tamil school and college textbooks. From 1974, he was director of the Tamil Etymological Project, and he acted as president of the International Tamil League, Tamil Nadu. (U. Tha. Ka.)
Devaneya Pavanar studied his elementary education in Murumbu and worked as a First Teacher also in Murumbu under the control of Young Durai. Devaneya Pavanarโs life size statue, research library, centunary arch, reading room is located in Murumbu, Viruhunagar District, Tamil Nadu. Organizer: A. Neduncheralathan, 225/1, Tamil Illam, Solapuram South-626 139. Mobile: 9443284903.
Views on Tamil versus Sanskrit
“Lemuria” according to Pavanar, connecting Madagascar, South India and Australia (covering most of the Indian Ocean). Mount Meru stretches southwards from Sri Lanka.Pavanar’s Vadamoli Varalaru argues that hundreds of Sanskrit words can be traced to a Tamil origin, and at the same time he insisted that pure Tamil equivalents existed for Sanskrit loan words. He claimed that Tamil is a “superior and more divine” language than Sanskrit. In his view the Tamil language originated in “Lemuria” ( ), the cradle of civilization and place of origin of language. He believed that evidence of Tamil’s antiquity was being suppressed by Sanskritists.
Pavanar’s timeline for the evolution of mankind and Tamil is as follows:
ca. 500,000 BC: origin of the human race,
ca. 200,000 to 50,000 BC: evolution of “the Tamilian or Homo Dravida”,
ca. 200,000 to 100,000 BC, beginnings of Tamil
ca. 100,000 to 50,000 BC, growth and development of Tamil,
50,000 BC: Kumari Kandam civilisation
20,000 BC: A lost Tamil culture on Easter Island which had an advanced civilisation
16,000 BC: Lemuria submerged
6087 BC: Second Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
3031 BC: A Chera prince wandering in the Solomon Islands saw wild sugarcane and started cultivation in Tamil Nadu.
1780 BC: The Third Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
7th century BC: Tolkappiyam, the earliest extant Tamil grammar
In the preface to his 1966 book The Primary Classical Language of the World he wrote:
There is no other language in the whole world as Tamil, that has suffered so much damage by natural and human agencies, and has been done so much injustice by malignant foreigners and native dupes.
The general belief that all arts and sciences are progressively advancing with the passage of time, is falsified in the case of philology, owing to the fundamental blunder of locating the original home of the Tamilians in the Mediterranean region, and taking Sanskrit, a post-Vedic semi-artificial composite literary dialect, the Indian Esperanto, so to speak, for the prototype of the Indo-European Form of Speech.
Westerners do not know as yet, that Tamil is a highly developed classical language of Lemurian origin, and has been, and is being still, suppressed by a systematic and co-ordinated effort by the Sanskritists both in the public and private sectors, ever since the Vedic mendicants migrated to the South, and taking utmost advantage of their superior complexion and the primitive credulity of the ancient Tamil kings, posed themselves as earthly gods (Bhu-suras) and deluded the Tamilians into the belief, that their ancestral language or literary dialect was divine or celestial in origin.
In a chapter entitled Tamil more divine than Sanskrit, Pavanar gives the reasons why he judges Tamil to be “more divine” than Sanskrit, arguing for “Primary Classicality of Tamil”, he enumerates:
His claims regarding the “Primary Classicality of Tamil”:
* Lemurian origin of Tamil.
* Phonological simplicity of Tamil.
* Catholicity of Tamil.
* Tamulic substratum of the Aryan family of languages.
* Morphological purity and primitiveness of Tamil.
* The presence of the words โammaโ and โappaโMama and papa in almost all great languages in some form or other.
* Absence of Nominative case-termination in Tamil.
* Separability and significance of all affixes in Tamil.
* Absence of morphological gender in Tamil
* Absence of arbitrary words in Tamil.
* Traceability of Tamil to its very origin.
* Logical and natural order of words in Tamil.
* Absence of dual number in Tamil.
* Originality and natural development of Tamil.
* Highest order of the classicality of Tamil.
Reception
No reviews of Pavanar’s linguistic works in mainstream academia are known. He does however figure in works on language activism and national mysticism (Ramaswamy 1997, 2004) and of Indian nationalism (Kaiwar et al. 2003).
Despite this, in the foreword to the to the 2001 reprint of Primary Classical Language of the World, Pavanar’s assistant and disciple R. Madhivanan claims that
and continues into a eulogy to the effect that
M. Tamil Kudimagan, Ex-Minister for Tamil Development, Govt. of Tamil Nadu. Madurai, in the preface to the same volume, writes that “We are the followers of Pavanar and we are implementing the ideals of Pavanar in all walks of life”.
Poet Bharathidasan hails Devaneya Pavanar as the “King of all Tamils” ().
The Cultural Heritage of India; vol. V: Languages and literature, p. 641 (ed. Chatterji, The Ramakrishna Mission, Institute of Culture, 1978) states that “but for his (Pavanar’s) efforts the purity and antiquity of Tamil might have been a myth.”
Publishing history
The Central Plan Scheme for Classical Tamil of the Centre of Excellence for Classical Tamil recommends
“To publish the translated but not yet published Sattambi Swamigal’s Adhibhasa which seeks to establish that Tamil is the most ancient language. When published, it will provide an impetus to Pavanar’s findings”
The literary works and books of Pavanar have been “nationalised” by the Government of Tamil Nadu in the course of the “Golden Jubilee year of National Independence” (2006). This means that the copyright for Pavanar’s work is now owned by the state of Tamil Nadu, his legal heirs having been compensated financially.
G. Elavazhagan of Tamilman Patippakam has brought out all the works of Pavanar for his centenary celebrations, 2000-2001.
Awards and honours
A Silver plate presented to him by the Tamil Peravai, Salem in 1955 in appreciation of his service to Tamil.
A Copper Plate presented to his by the Governor of Tamil Nadu 1960 in appreciation of his contribution to the collection of administrative terms in Tamil.
A Silver Plate presented to his by the South Indian Saiva Sinddhanta Works Publishing Society, Thirunelveli Ltd., in 1970 in appreciations of his research work in Tamil philology and etymology.
Official centenary celebrations of Pavanar were held at Sankarankoil (5 February 2002) and Gomathimuthupuram (6 February) of Tirunelveli district and at Chennai (8. February), attended by the Minister for Education and the Chief Minister O. Panneerselvam.
In February 2006, a commemorative stamp of Devaneya Pavanar was released by the Postal Department in Chennai.
In October 2007, a memorial was installed at Madurai by the Government of Tamil Nadu in honour of Devaneya Pavanar.
Bibliography
English
The Primary Classical Language of the World, Katpadi Estension, North Arcot Dt., Mukkudal (Nesamani Publishing House), Paari Nilayam, Madras (1966), reprint Chennai : G. Elavazhagan, 2001.
The language problem of Tamil Nad & its logical solution, Mani, Katpadi Extension, North Arcot Dt. [1967]
An Epitome of the Lemurian Language and its ramifications (cyclostyled booklet, 1980)
http://www.creedopedia.com/topics/Tamil-language
HI ABDUL
I M A BIG FAN OF PERIYAR. I REALLY SUPPORTING IN THE ISSUE OF OLDEST LENGUAGE OF INDIA. DRAVIDIAN CIVILIZATION IS MUCH MORE OLDEST THAN THAT OF THE ARYAN CIVILIZATION AS PER UNESCO. SO MOTHER OF DRAVIDIAN LANGUAGE TAMIZH CAN BE THE OLDEST LANGUAGE OF INDIA.
Dear Mr.Faizal,
I am very happy with your acknowledgement.If possible,you kindly bring some details in light about UNESCO Comment about Dravidian Civilisation to share with this everyone of this forum.
tamiz can be the oldest language . but not modern tamil. all these languages was derived from one language(dravidian or tamiz ).all the languages under gone many changes. Influenced by many languages .
Hi abdul,
Try to do ibadath in islam instead of fightting for your adentity and telling great things about ur language …… if ur language is great it wont take u to heaven boss…… cool down and think about so many other things in life ….
ur wellwisher
Mushtaq
Dear Mr.Mustaq!
Peace be upon you!This is the forum to discuss about languages.In this forum,I can’t discuss about Islam.I didn’t fight for my identity or language,besides,I am revealing the true facts about Tamil Language..The first Verse of revealation in Quran says Read..Read…Which means scrutinise…So,I am scrutinising the known facts related to language..God doesn’t deny me from discussing the facts about truth or any discussion on language.Also,it is not the right place to start Ibadath.”In swimming pool ,you have to swim,In dinning hall ,you have to eat”,thats what i am doing.You are seeing a person eating and, saying him or consider him that he doesnt know swimming or have no interest on swimming.This shows your poor perception or pre-determined notion or pre-judice.So,I dont know why Muslims are very focused?We need right platforms to discuss right things.As told by Prophet(Peace be Upon him)ACT Wisely Not Emotionally..This is the reason Muslims never develop.We should make contribution to the world.We should not mix Language or stuff with Faith.Any how ,I accept your suggestion to do Ibadath but I wont stop my love for truth whatever it might about God or Religion or Race or Language. Even Gods says difference in Language is His Signs.I am just trying to understand the Signs of God…
…………….And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colours :Surely ,in that are Signs for those who know,Quran(30:22)
Tamil is the Official language of Srilanka,Malaysia and Singapore.Global Tamilians are APJ ABDUL KALAM (Father of indian nuclear programme), A.R.RAHMAN (First Indian musician to get two Oscar awards), MUTHIAH MURALIDHARAN (First Tamil cricketer to get 800 test wickets) etc.Tamil will get Global recognition with the help of srilanka,Malaysia and Singapore.Tamils greatest saint Thiruvalluvars Thirukural is translated to Russian and pasted in the walls of Russian parliament.This much regognition tamil has got.so before writing any thing about Tamil remember this points.
See boss tamil is a great language in the same way all languages in India ….. being a national language in foreign countries it dint become a national language in its origin country means because of the extremism you people show and follow. First try to respect everything and remember always this is a Democratic country.
Well wisher
Mushtaq
Dear Indians,
Oldest language in India is either Tamil or Sanskrit.other language speaking people keep quiet.
Stop fighting for old language status people. It wont give a place in heaven or it wont increase ur good deeds in this world. Wasting time in such things will not be fair .
There are lots of things in life needs to be considered.
Live like respectable Indians instead of fighting.
Jai Hind
Mushtaq
Dear Friends,
Many people instead of supporting their mother tongue are telling that Tamil is not the oldest Language.From this they are indirectly accepting that Tamil is the oldest language in India.
A TRUTH IS A TRUTH FOREVER.
Dear all,
Nature makes a person create the language, the birds, the rivers, the flowers, the animals, the heat, the cold and the whole nature is responsible for creating a langugage.
1. who told u that sanskrit is mother of all languages? who accepted it universally?can u show concrete evidence?
2. Pl don’t associate one language to God?That shows How narrow minded u people are.
3. As mentioned so many times with clear cut evidences, TAMIL is a classical antiquity accepted Unique around the world.
4. From great saints to scientist to scholars to musicians,Tamilians are the best in the world.Saints like sri Tiruvalluvar, sri Ramanujar(founder of vaishnavism),sri Raghavendra,sri Ramalinga adigalar,Sri Ramana maharishi are tamilians.Out of seven nobel prizes from india (c.v raman,s.chandrasekar,venkatraman ramakrishnan) three are from Tamil Nadu only.List of musicians from Tamil Nadu is countless.I have take account from sangam period.Only from last century Muthuswami dikshidhar,M.S.Subhalakshmi to Illayaraja to A.R.Rahman(2 times oscar winner) all are tamilians.Maximum F.R.S in india is only from Tamil Nadu.GReatness of tamilians is like universe ever expanding beyond human intelligence.
5. Tamilnadu the land of peace & sovereignity has given accomadation to so many refugees from Andhra,kerala,karnataka & rest of india & of course has a lot of place for accomodating Tamilians ,the kings of Tamil Nadu from where ever they come.we r ppl with self-respect & I think nobody has entered any other state apart from Tamilnadu.
6. It is always proud to fight against a known enemy rather than fighting amongst ourselfs as how u shameless people have NAXALS(local terrorists) who tried to kill ur own C.M & cause a threat to national security.
U people don’t have unity amongst urself then why u come to forum talk abt a grt community where even u ppl accept that there were teluguites who were appreciated in grt land of TAMILNADU.
i really want to run away from this blog. I am hoping to escape. God bless me!!!!!!
telugu is easy to understand and write, ha ha ha.!!!!!
Boss didn’t you feel that it’s look like jangiri cut pieces, don’t say it again like telugu is the best, I think you should know about cholas who ruled amost south india, there are the one who crossed india & annexed srilanka, maldives, malaysia( kadaram), They’re spoken TAMIL, Neither Telugu Nor Sanskrit.
1. Sanskrit is the mother of all languages. Universally accepted.
2. It is the Language of the Gods. Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas, Ithihasas, Shaastras, all the timeless Hindu Spiritual Texts have been passed on through Sanskrit, some documented through Devanagari Script. Sanskrit therefore existed since the creation of the universe.
3. The very OMKARA which consists of AKARA MAKARA UKARA is a Sanskrit word and Mantra and the very essence of all creation. So it is the first Sanskrit word and the first word and entity that ever existed.
4. Tamil is one of the cross-bred derived languages of Sanskrit. Some words of it are directly adapted from Sanskrit. Some of them are not. For the words that are not, Tamil does have a special status.
5. Tamil is definitely a wonderful language. It was the languages spoken by many great saints like Chandrasekhara Saraswathi who was the incarnation of Lord Shiva himself. So nothing to say that this is a bad language or something. It is another language that’s it.
6. Telugu on the other hand came from Teligi which was called Trilinga i.e. the language spoken in the area where the three Jyothirlingas reside. The most ancient form of Telugu known traces back to the Treta Yuga and was the mother tongue of Lord Hanuman. It is no doubt a classical language. It has the highest number of letters in its alphabet than any other language in the world.
7. Adi Shankara who was born in a Namboodri Brahmin family has a Telugu Ancestory because Namboodris were originally immigrants to Kerala from Nambooro (Guntur) who migrated to perform the Upanayanam of Sri Dharma Shaasta (Ayyappa) eons ago.
8. Great saints like Sri Pada Sri Vallabha were all born in the Telugu region and had their mother tongue as Telugu.
9. Great musicians like Tyagaraja, Annamacharya whose Sankeertanas are practiced more by Tamilians than by Telugus are all Telugu People and all their compositions are in Telugu. KARNATIC MUSIC was founded by Telugu People.
10. KUCHUPUDI which is the mother of all dance forms to even Bharatanatyam and Khatakali is also from the Telugu Region.
And alteast the Telugus don’t share the status of being the demon refugees from Sri Lanka…
Tamil is considered as the only Indian language having a non Sanskrit version for almost every word. And Still the Researchers had not yet confirmed that Tamil or Sanskrit is the Oldest. Researchers had got enough proof that Tamil is as old as Sanskrit. And Who told you that everything is written in Sanskrit, Its actually was REWRITTEN in Sanskrit from some unknown Language which have high influence on Sanskrit. from you words its showing as if you are saying GOD Created Sanskrit?!! Then whats Latin? Greek? Who created those,? How you expect GOD Speaks in Sanskrit? ?! Kindly dont be narrow minded, Look outside. Its the Human Being Created all languages, only matter is that WHEN? Telugu and Malayalam are new languages which have high influence of Sanskrit, Tamil and Urdu.
You are absolutely wrong … Ancient Tamil language has so many Sanskrit words in it in which tamil scholars removed those words and reinvented few words to make it differ from sanskrit. Malayalam is a new language where as Telugu is not , it was spoken by so many devine people in past from treta yuga . Check ur basics first and speak .
Omkara?! Its the Sound of Existence, sound of Nature, its there in each and every language, and there is no Symbol to represent the sound! but for the porpuse of Teaching, Scholers created the Symbol, and the Word to represent the sound of Nature. The sound is Written everywhere, the symbols may change. Chinese Saints use this using an Organ which can produce relatively Nearer sound to the Real Sound of OM. We Hindu’s Represent with a symbol “OM”, it varies everywhere. OM is not belonged to any languages!
Brahmin is a person who would also use the toilet as any of us use. Does he have a different colour of blood in his body to feel proud of himself. Do the brahmins goes to heaven daily to have food? Are not they affected by malaria or typhoid? Are they all made of rocks or what?
They can only depend upon the people who they call Shudhraas for money and food. Why dont they get money by magic of divine powers. They are called Gods. When they are called Gods on earth then they should make all the people who follow them wealthy? God should be good. Dont we see a brahmin affected by diesease of leprosy?
Why do they enter temples daily? For money and food. They first of before cleaning the statues of Gods with rose water and sandal cream…clean their mind full of corruption. They should distribute the money they recieve in “Tirupati” temple to all the non-brahmin poor people of Andhra and make them all survive. This is the holiest job they should do first of all. There wont be naxalites too in your state.
Cant i speak sanskrit or say verses? People with cunningness only cheat others. There is no need for all strightforward people to learn their cunningness to cheat others. Its all about the blood and genes and the deeds.
Brahmin is a person who would also use the toilet as any of us use. Does he have a different colour of blood in his body to feel proud of himself. Do the brahmins goes to heaven daily to have food? Are not they affected by malaria or typhoid? Are they all made of rocks or what?
They can only depend upon the people who they call Shudhraas for money and food. Why dont they get money by magic of divine powers. They are called Gods. When they are called Gods on earth then they should make all the people who follow them wealthy? God should be good. Dont we see a brahmin affected by diesease of leprosy?
Why do they enter temples daily? For money and food. They first of before cleaning the statues of Gods with rose water and sandal creamโฆclean their mind full of corruption. They should distribute the money they recieve in โTirupatiโ temple to all the non-brahmin poor people of Andhra and make them all survive. This is the holiest job they should do first of all. There wont be naxalites too in your state.
Cant i speak sanskrit or say verses? People with cunningness only cheat others. There is no need for all strightforward people to learn their cunningness to cheat others. Its all about the blood and genes and the deeds.
Classical languages of the world are Hebrew,Greek,Latin,Tamil,Sanskrit,Chinese & persian .Only Indian Govt has given classical status to kannada & telugu mainly bcoz of political reasons.I don’t understand How can these languages be classical in India but not globally .Moreover” Classical status” has to accepted all over the world.I feel it will be wise to dicuss only global classical languages & filter out possible oldest from them.
If your tamil is great how come it is having less speakers than Telugu all over world. Telugu is the world’s 13th widely spoken language where as Tamil is 19th widely spoken language. Try to give respect to other languages boss.
Hi,
I treat all languages equally tats y even when some of u ppl say sankrit to God,I hve denied it.
Pl find the strength of great languages by speakers.
Greek–>13 Million,Hebrew–>Less than 10 Million,Latin–>Less than 10 Million,Chinese–>840MillionGerman–>72Million;
can u give me the count of sanskrit speakers?
English–>348 Million.
So u mean to say English is greater than Telugu?
pl make valid arguments from now on.
Dear e,
Our kumarikaandam (Lemuria) and dhanushkodi both submerged into the ocean thousands of years before and the innocent tamizhians who once lived and made the country Ilangai (sri lanka) were killed and they were made to get out of their home, their own country. So, “population” does not show the correct judgement but the researchers who are digging the PAST. We do not disrespect other languages. In fact i am a lover of your music in your telugu language. I and my family is still listening to the music of Shankarabharanam and your native gentleman S.P.Balasubramaniam has been singing in our language and we made him popular and he is faithful and loyal to our tamizh language. Even P.Susheela, Janaki and many more singers have got fame due to tamizh songs and they are very much residing in tamizh nadu still. We do not hate your language. We have telugu speaking friends too.
@vijay
if u don’t know that Telugu has been declared as a Classical Language, then keep quiet.
Dear Friends,
Many Indians particularly Telugu and Kannada People are not able to digest that Tamil is the ancient language in India like Sanskrit.Even if you present the facts produced by archeologists and European scholars they will tell all these facts are forged.Even if god comes directly and tells us that Tamil is the ancient language in India they will tell that this is not a god,this is a demon.They will accept if you tell them that Urdu is the ancient language but they will not accept Tamil as ancient Language.This much they hate Tamil.Not only they hate Tamil but also they have so much jealous on Tamil because it is a human nature to get jealous if one of our neighbours was given special status.There are so many Telugu people living in Tamilnadu instead of supporting Tamil they are insulting Tamil and Tamilians.
If people are supporting telugu means ,then why is it not considered as a classical language ,because of the fact that it has some deficiency, it is not considered as a classical one .Tamil is accepted as a classical language world wide, and it is the only ancient language that is spoken world wide ,unlike telugu or some other lauguage .only a person who has knowledge in language and literature can realise this….
1. Tamilians are so broadminded as they appreciate & accept talent.That is bcoz of greatness of language which gives them this matured behaviour .If people say telugu is sweet it does mean it is among old languages.
2. This forum is not for finding WHICH is SWEET or SALT language.
3. Inspite of giving so many evidences most of u guys still stick to aryan & dravidian concepts.
4. I don’t know why any telugu supporter is not able to give concrete evidence. If u are not able to digest the fact that ur language is not older,then atleast provide concrete evidence for ur mother language SANSKRIT.
5. Tamilians are mentioned in ur sanskrit epic ramayana and mahabharatha as VILLAVARS & PANDIANS Respectively.where is telugu if it is older than tamil?
6. So many scholars around the world have worked on languages for decades & accepted TAMIL as classical language(which means it has a unique structure).for ur reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_language
7. Are u sure that God language is only sanskrit?if so lets start a seperate forum to discuss it bcoz entire world will be interested in it(including Vatican City ,Mecca etc….)
8. If u want to talk abt sanskrit,then leave telugu. u people are still don’t have mental maturity.either u should bring concrete evidence to prove ur stand or accept scholars .
9. Again I would give the link for ur reference:http://tamil.berkeley.edu/Tamil%20Chair/TamilClassicalLanguage/TamilClassicalLgeLtr.html.
“IT IS EASY TO WAKE UP A SLEEPING PERSON RATHER THAN A FAKE.”
Its so funny to listen that tamil is ancient than sanskrit. First of all tell me this, in which language the vedas, puranas, upanishads had been written? They have been written in sanskrit not in tamil. If u ask this even a child in india can reply. Sanskrit is deva bhasha(the language spoken by god). The God which u people worship speaks in sanskrit not in tamil. Tamil is a dravidian language like malayalam and kannada. Thats it. Don’t mislead others by saying tamil is the ancient language than sanskrit. Definitely Tamil is the ancient language. Tamil had found that it has been in use since 1000 BC, but Telugu had found its been in use since 3000 BC. So please stop telling that tamil is the ancient language than any other indian lanugages.
@Surya, very very well said Surya. Keep it up.
@Mourya,
U r absolutely right. Telugu is the best.
The matter is not best or Good or Bad, Its about the Oldest Language. Mother Tongue is always Best. For me its Malayalam but same time Oldest language in India is either Tamil or Sanskrit.
Changla…
Jai Maharashtra.
Abe up ke bhaiya chup karo, sabse acchi marathi hai.
Jai Maharashtra.
good 1 bhai
There have been constant efforts to abolish tamizh during marathi rule in tamizh nadu. NOTE THIS POINT. This chaste woman tamizh was tolerating all crooked minded. She is today alive just becos of her WILL POWER. She can change her forms anytime. She is watching closely. BEWARE!!!!!
Famous king who ruled the Vijayanagara Empire, whose mother tongue is basically Kannada aslo pointed the TELUGU language as ”DESA BHASHALANDU TELUGU LESSA”…which means Off all the languages in INDIA, TELUGU is THE BEST language to write, read and to understand easily……
I am from Uttar Pradesh, and very much intrestested in speaking TAMIL, TELUGU, SANSKRIT, TULU and BENGALI..
As I am used with all the languages mentioned above, I feel something RHYTHM is there in only TELUGU language……(This may hurt some, But, I dont mind friends…we have to be frank…)
The famous Tamil poet BHARATHI pointed telugu language as SUNDARA TELUGU….in his writings…….This says that the TELUGU is the sweetest language……Even, the foreigners pointed out telugu language as ITALIAN OF EAST…..This shows the power of TELUGU…among other language spaeking people….
I wish to dedicate to all useless writers who blog unnecessarily without any proper stuff. If a Tamil speaking Indian argues about greatness of the language,rest of India denies ,so I have enclosed below the link written by George L. Hart
Professor of Tamil,University of California,Berkerly who explains greatness of TAMIL to SANSKRIT.
http://tamil.berkeley.edu/Tamil%20Chair/TamilClassicalLanguage/TamilClassicalLgeLtr.html.
hihiheeee….
settle down and just be :-)
I hope lets make the following things clear.
1. The discussion forum in only about finding which is oldest living language.
2. I hope most of you have agreed all north indian languages have a sanskrit mix in it.
3. On coming to south Indian languages telugu,malayalam & kannada do have a sanskrit mix in it.
4. Tamil does not have any sanskrit connections in it which makes it a unique or mother language.
5. There is NO aryan.There is NO dravidian.They were conspiracy theories created by europeans to divide & rule.
6. I don’t want to comment on present DMK.For instance karnataka-h.d.deve gowda,andhra-n.chandrababu naidu have surnames representing caste based politics.After 1967,Tamilnadu is only state were there is no surnames or family names almost eliminating caste.Thanks to D.M.K’s Idealogy.
7. Moreover tamilnadu is one of the few states were people respect talent.Great men like PERIYAR founder of DMk is a kannadika,M.G.R from kerala & Rajinikanth from maharashtra.
8. Tamilnadu state faces water shortage.So issues like cauvery(karnataka),krishna(andhrapradesh) & periyar(kerala) makes it unfavorable for its neighbours.I am sure people don’t have issues in giving just water?
Points 6,7,& 8 has been added only to portray the original image of Tamilnadu. So lets leave it here & continue discussion.
If we are able analyse unique languages,only then we can conclude which is oldest.Therefore Tamil(Unique language) is compared with sanskrit(another Unique language).
hey stupid i asked only which is the oldest language, not your language that’s it
well said ashwin abt tamil…
sanskrit another unique lanauge ic :) …..Swaahaaaa
swahaaa means putting everything into the fire and burn it. :)
Stop crapping among yourselves and vying between your mother languages.. Mother language is sweet as like our mother and obey the fact that every language got its own importance and sweetness.. Learn other languages and love the sweetness in them as well.. Tamil and Telugu are two great languages and nobody can change it and better we can prove that we are sensible enough when we stop competing among us.. Promte this unity to your friends and next generation as well.. Tamil long live!! Telugu long live!! Mother India Long Live!!
Dear friends,
Kindly accept that we are Indians first. I want to tell Vick to be careful about his words. Telugu didn’t borrow script from Kannada. Kannada’s script was derived from Telugu. Just bec’ some words are similar among the south-Indian languages that doesn’t mean all were derived from Tamil. What you use as jannal in Tamil is not a Tamil word. Do you know? If Dr.Karunanidhi is fond of Tamil why he is keeping Sun TV for his channel which is English? Sanskrit is an ancient language (God’s language) in which vedas, upanishads are available. The bible says Indians are descendents from Yappeth(Nova’s one son among three). In this modern world everyone migrates and settles down in foreign countries. Why differentiate between Aryans and Dravidians? Strictly speaking Telugus irrespective of the state they are residing they are migrated from Ayodhya which clearly says they are Aryans. Telugu was derived from Sanskrit. We accept. For this don’t make a indecent comment about Telugu people. The great Carnatic music is only in Telugu. Tamilians forget the good things that the Telugu kings done to them. The great freedom fighter Veerapnadiyakattabommu is a Telugu king. His wife name itself indicates Jakkama which is Telugu. TirumalaNayak ruled over Madurai dynasty. For Tamilians in Chennai, rice, vegetables, water, fruits have to come from Andhra but they hate Telugu. Sanskrit is an Indian language. It is not a foreign language. Let Tamil may be one of the ancient languages like Sanskrit. First love your mother tongue and respect it. Next respect other languages. It is always good to know many languages. Don’t have a discrimination between Aryans and Dravidians. Telugu might have been wrongly included as a Dravidian language but it is a musical language. It is the Italian of the east. I love my mother tongue Telugu. I respect other Indian languages also. Be broad minded. Bharat maatha ki jai.
My Dear friend,
No body insulted telugu here.Tamilians are only arguing about their mother tongue that tamil is oldest than sanskrit.so it doesn’t mean insulting other languages.if you are very much fond of your mother tongue you can argue here.i think you got frustrated because of so much support to tamil.Finally you must know that there are many other language speaking people are living in Tamilnadu.majority of them are Telugus.we tamils have not compelled them to learn tamil.so the argument is betweem tamil and sanskrit not between tamil and telugu.
Dear Friends,
Many people are still believing that all the indian languages came from sanskrit.Only North indian languages like Hindi,marathi,kashmiri,punjabi,oriya,bengali,urdu and assamese came from sanskrit.But dravidian languages like tamil,kannada,telugu and malayalam which is spoken in south india has came from tamil brahmi and there are lot of proof to tell that tamil brahmi is the languge of the people lived during indus valley civilization.so every indian should accept this proof and please don’t argue unnessarily.
v, TAMILIANS, shud nt argue much….
Tamil is a oldest language……..indus civilization language was tamil.and friends Sanskrit is a world language…….Even in Bible The name ADAM is a Sanskrit word ADMA.
jst go to da link below as dear Ashwin said…..http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley_1.html
hi friends,
tamil is the great grandmother of all languages on this earth. so if nyone argues just laugh at htem and go, that’s enough!!
first of all “Aryan” is not a race, it’s a word for a warrior in sanskrit!!
britishers destroyed the evidence, that tamil is the oldest language by destroying ancient bramhi scriptures, palm leaves and other types in libraries while ruling india.
the other major destruction of biggest tamil library , which was in srilanka by these sinhalese fools. so now we are unable to prove that tamil is the oldest language on earth.
many reseachers around the world had already amazed and explained the world by accepting Tamil is the greatest and oldest language on this planet.
That’s why we say Tamil is the “Great grandmother” of all languages on earth.
all other languages including sanskrit are grand children!!!
But still I hope we can prove the world by going into the caves of tamilnadu,like chenji kottai and some hidden temples and caves located in deep forest. Indian government should take necessary steps to find and research the cave temples. western people did this type of research in egyptian caves and found lots of mummies, treasures, scriptures which were just 5000 years old. but we indians didn’t do any research like them. Just the archealogists find with little support and fund by Indian government which is not sufficient, this must be carried out in a large scale.
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go deep into forest and caves, u will be eaten by wild animales or u will become another mummy
I will also agree that Sanskrit is a central Asian language or foreign Language.
There is no aryan. No dravidian. All were consipiracy theories created by europeans to de-stabilize us.
check this out.
http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley_1.html
Sanskrit is an central Asian language because Sanskrit the Language of Aryans came from Central Asia. so Sanskrit cannot compete with Tamil in case of oldest Indian language.
Most sources say sanskrit had central asian origin A.I don’t why most of our people get fascinated by a foreign language rather support TAMIL which had its origins here .We still consider the aryan-dravidian conspiracy tats why most of us ignore tamil to sanskrit.
Check this out.
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/77496/jolt-aryan-dravidian-divide-theory.html
Friends, tamil is the only language in india which does not have sanskrit literature.Other indian languages has sanskrit mixing and lost its purity.But tamil is still maintaining its purity and also the oldest living language in india.
you should say that there were constant efforts to abolish tamizh, but they could not and yes it is true they had mixed sanskrit into our language too, thats because we had given them space to stay here. We have been showing them friendliness which they exploited fully. The only fact now is that they are very much irritated about the fact that tamizh is still alive and also tamizhians. They never treated us all humans even and even now they dont want to but since they are minority community they can not do much..They dont worship with great faith in heart but only acting. They never say but they “do” very tactfully…the satanic way.. I have found them always attached to their own community, most of them. Why did they make the dravidans to construct temples, get the answer from me…since physically dravidans were strong and they were the majority group, they wanted all of them to feel fearful about Gods, what could they do? so, they made all kinds of soft natured hindu gods and they also said that if anyone do or say against them then God would curse and punish them. In reality they are the people who do all kinds of mischief behind and they put the blame on dravidans (cock and cock fight) and they would also say they face this because they “talk ill of gods”. Its very difficult to understand these humanbeings. Periyar had been struggling hard, because he had been watching them and their activities very closely. He was a genious of his time. No one can ever match him. NEVER!!!!!!! I am sure the great soul of periyar is still wandering restlessly to reveal lots of facts which they could not when he was alive.
India is diversified ….. most thinks that people origin from Africa.. and they were nomads …..i think a group people started traveling from Africa and reached south India …between they formed several cities (civilization) .. the first group who started to reach south India they had a language ..which was developed as most beautiful language……as tamil….
“KANYA KUMARI CIVILISATION” is the oldest one. From here all starts undoubtedly. May the Almighty bless me today!!!!!!!
I would think that the oldest language would originate somewhere in the middle east or northern Africa. Indeed, Sanskrit is an ancient language.
Sanskrit is the ancient language in India. All the indian languages born from Sanskrit(Mother of all Indian Languages). Thats why all our Indian languages have similarities in the words. Our ancient Vedas, Puranas, Itihas,so many grnathas were written in Sanskrit itself not in other languages. Sanskrit is Deva Bhasha(language spoken by Gods). There is no age for Sanskrit like other languages. There is no need to see history to say Sanskrit is an one and only ancient language in India. It reflects our Indian Culture and Tradition.
What proof can you quote that Sanskrit is oldest language. Ask any historian from around the globe and you will have the answer.The archeological excavations dug out in many parts of Tamil Nadu suggest that it had predated Aryan arrival on Indian soil. Go to Tamil Nadu and get exhilarated with the breath taking unrivaled Tamil architecture displayed in our temples many of which also have stood the test of time centuries before the first Aryan even heard of India.
I was lissining to the wcny news a few days ago on the local classical channel and heard of a descovery of evidence of human activity along the banks of the Thames river ( The river that flows through London, England for those of you who are geographicaly impaired) that dated to 900,000 BCE.
Despite the fact that they could not possable be Cro Mag they still had to speek something. People are a very old, far older than we give them credit to. We also have to rember the earth was diffrent in ancient times. The sahara was a jungle and so was the majority of the middle east and mediterranean up until around 10,000 BCE,
my persional belifes are that after a time of great flooding due to the end of an ice age people then migrated into india bringing elements of language with them. We only know so little of how we came to be and to try to clame the mother language as if it is a part of your hearitage is obserid. And as for you Swaminathan, where the hell did you learn to spell? The back of a hip-hop album? You might as well be in blackface buddy because it all looks the same.
check this out.
http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080309030021AAZBXbe
On why I Feel Tamil Could Be A Primordial Language that led to evolution of other language structures including possibly Sanskrit and not the other way round:
Please Discuss this Topic without emotions and Spelling Venoms against a Language and a Language Group:
1.Tamil And Sanskrit:
The Common Source of these languages have remained to be explored due to sheer extraneous and other than linguistic considerations.
2.While it is very difficult to point out which language stands first in antiquity or whether humans started with a language structure or a language was a derivative of a group of spoken words in each community,it is definitely possible to pin-point the antiquity of a particular language structure from literary perspective.
3.To share with you my perception of why i feel that Tamil could have been the primordial language or the syllable structure of Tamil could have guided, future development of encryption in other languages including and probably Sanskrit.
4.1.Tamil structure of sound or syllable encryption recognises Vowel and consonent clustre in the first order.โIf this was not a primary phase of development of language structure or if Sanskrit was Impacting Tolkaapiyan as is being put forth here then the structure developed would have been differentโฆas is evident in all the apabrahmsa-pali-prakrit-and other dravidian languages.This single point is sufficient to prove the primitiveness of Tamil Over Sanskrit.
4.2.Tamil has Aytham which syllable has helped in development of encrypting consonental and Vowel orders probably in sanskrit and other Indic languages.
4.3.Tamil grammar as schematized in Tolakaapiyam do not restrain a length of a vowel or degree of a consonent and as has aptly been clarified by the Author that the restriction of Maththirai is to Iyar Tamizh and not to the Isai Tamizh which has unlimited exponentiation.
4.4.If Tamil syllable encryption structure was not primordial,then it would have followed the course of other languages(including other dravidian)in encrypting orders by inter-extrapolating probably the Aytham.
4.5.While restricting encryption to the first order- syllable for iyar tamizh, the phonetic values based on conventional positions have been adduced by language users.Thus while a word begins in the first order consonent,it goes to the second order anywhere else appearing in the word which can be reduced to first order by placing a preceding meyezhuttu.
4.6 Moreover the development of vowel-consonant(UyirMey)and categorisation of sounds as Vallinam -Mellinam and Idaiyinam is Unique to Tamil Sound System.
4.7.While Sanskrit is considered as perfect for developing consonental orders,it could still not encrypt all the permutation and combination of pronounciations and sound production which is infinite.Thus if one goes into the dynamics of sound production(Vocal Chord Differentiation) and encryption it will be difficult to contain those consonental sound delivery within the four orders without erring in the encryption of sound produced and simply this has been taken by the Tolkaapiyar as isai tamizh which need not be subject to encryption.Thus Tamil scheme of things did recognise that limitation of encryption of phonetics,which is not limited to writing but emanates from speeches varied through vocal chord dynamics.The neuter(Ha)Aytham took care of the softening and hardening but remained primordial discovery to be implemented through Sanskrit scheme of things for encryption.
4.8.Added to this confusion prevails in using particular order of vowel-consonant that remains in framing words with the right kind of syllables,and questioning why a particular order cannot be placed instead of chosen order of a consonant for the particular syllable in a word remains unanswered in the Sanskrit scheme of things.
Re: Remo
Great work. You have explained it very well.
Mr.Mahesh you sent me reply stating that all the south Indian languages haven’t been derived from Tamil, but from a common Proto-Dravidian language.But there itself your arguement falters for the simple reason that the word Dravidian is derived from Tamil.It has been firmly proved that Tamils inhabited the entire Indian subcontinent(uptil Afghanisthan) in the north before the advent of Aryans into India.Even today there exist a place in the north which goes by the name Tamluk(derived from Tamizhuk).Today’s Myanmar was referred to as KadaaraNaadu in olden days.In any state of modern India we find lot of differences in the way the same language is spoken(for eg telangana Telugu,Andhra Telugu,Rayalaseema Telugu).If such a difference exist in the same language, why can’t one expect differences in the same language Tamil which was spoken throughout India long ago.Gradually as years rolled on the seame Tamil got differentiated into so many languages with a lot of root words of their own(for eg maata(a pure telugu word), Maadata(a kannada word) however the base remaining the same Tamil.
Secondly, Ramalingaswamy a seer who attained immortality(a rare gift) has acknowledged Tamil as a father language of all the languages. The gift of immortality can be accrued only when a man cleaves himself of all bonds and attachments in the world (that is to say even with ones own mother language).
Hence atleast now consider the validity of my arguements.
hey what are u talking yarr, open your mind, Sanskrit was the ancient language from India to Egypt. The all other languages came from sanskrit only, open your eyes & dont repeat such foolishness.
Thats why they introduced kamasutra, the beginning to end all to capture the land and property. Vacchan paru oru aapu….i said when they were sent to this earth, satan was smiling.
Anyone commenting about Tamil, without knowing or with little knowledge is like saying “the ocean looks very small to me in this beach!”…
As i am used to different languages in my travel all over the world, im telling Tamil is like a ocean, u can get whatever u want…
I am not in Tamil Nadu now but i want to settle down there, just because of Tamil…
Anyone commenting about Tamil, without knowing or with little knowledge is like saying “the ocean looks very small to me in this beach!”…
As i am used to different languages in my travel all over the world, im telling Tamil is like a ocean, u can get whatever u want…
I feel its not getting the importance that it deserves from the Indian Government, just because very less people know it…
It must be made available in schools all over India…
I am not in Tamil Nadu now but i want to settle down there, just because of Tamil…
Tamil.. oldest language,greate language….what a foolish statements….even simple words are can not be pronounce properly in Tamil…..
Due to plotical strong hold …the Tamil is getting “Over Rated” (geting importance for which it is not at all eligible)
All the langauges in the world are great for thier native people……. first Tamilians and politicians in Delhi should understand this
i feel Tamil people or people who speak Tamil are extremely talented, sentimental and truthful than any one else…
its because of the depth of the thoughts made in this language by their ancestors…
my mother tongue is Telugu but i love Tamil and i feel its the best…
no use in speaking about dead languages, all Indians try to support our dying great language Tamil…
vaalga Tamil, valarga Tamil…
Thanks for your comment,realy its great.
well said vijayeandra
anbe sivam ,(i love say, but not convert)
I am happy we Indian(unity) never fought in front of aliens …… debate is good ……but pls don’t under estimate other …… i never entertain begging… pls don’t suppress the language with certain words …….its not a language it is our life…style ……….
south language are classified for usage – Tamil is excellent to speak , it also makes breath easy as you speak…………
Telugu one of the best language to have fast and beautiful songs (not modern)………… and above is wat i know ………….
Uttist Bharatha!!!
Other than pointing my perspective I have made short integrity story
Once a British men came to India to make an documentary on Indian languages with basic knowladge of same. He started traveling & gathering information about languages. Fortunately he found strange companion…British men explained about his task and Indian was very happy & please to help him they move to near by temple & Indian said . In this temple you can feel all the Indian languages in ritualistic & believe your organ senses. He entered into temple & found a god in dark with very little sunlight & glittering jewellery
He felt Samskrta in priestโs Mantra
Hindi in Aarathi
Marathi in Tilaka
Telugu in Panchamruth
Tasted Bengali in Prasad
Kannada in Bell sound
Malayalam in Kalyani
Gujarati & Rajasthani in fulfilled Hundi
Bhojpuri in clean & wet ground of temple
Manipuri in Peaceful surrounding
After these they walked out of temple. British Men was delighted with that experience & He said we are missing something arenโt we…& he realised it yes we are missing Tamil… where Tamil? Indian replied we are not finished yet. Few seconds Tamil appears…
Aiyya saapth nall naalaachi yaa… patha velinaatkara maadri theriyaringe… Eddaavudu poddradairranda dollarsleyo, poundsleyo, podunge…. namma kaslemattum pothtidadinge Aiyya…
I am not sorry to write this.. Because its true every begging person on roads, temples, etc in south India is Tamils or Tamil speaking bagger… This is the truth which they wonโt agree..
The temple those two ware visited is worshiped for maa Bharathi….
“”athmananda BC, what joke, first of all check your english dude, got to a decent school again!!! if you need some money we tamil’s will donate for beggars like you!!!! What kind of cock and bull stories you are writing here? grow up man!!!! ABritish guy came to make a documentary but he had basic knowledge? Great try with your MOM!!! and by the way what is this Maa Bharathi??? Uttist Bharatha??? you don’t fit to be an Indian, some body deport this guy to Bangladesh!!!
Behave your self, write something on the blog if you have any knowledge about the history of the languages, or if you know some links where people can go and read give the links…. I don’t know what kind of shit thoughts running in your mind…
No Bull shit!!! I hope the folks in the blog would agree with me..
hey wat “athmananda BC” said may not b true…
bt u tamilians r arrogant…cunning…selfish spirits
may b u r hard wrkrs….intellignt…bt u ppl r really digustng
n 1 thng dnt make fun of his English…it z nt compulsory tat evrybody shud knw bloody English vry well..k
Im nt blaming u personally r nt blaming Tamilians bt evry tamilian shud slfqstn abt da reality
The another name of ARYAN is CUNNINGNESS.
Swaminatha, be loyal to the soil, water and food where you have entered.
Mr.athamanda bc (coward) and all other guys before writing anything about our tamil language tell about yourself and your mother tongue.so that we can know these jeolous people are which state.
Dear athmanda bc, there is historical proof that aryans like you came from central Asia.In fact aryans like you should live in kazhakstan,uzbekistan and kyrghistan.There is no differnce between you(aryans) and british
so great poem
athmananda BC,
if you kill the tamil brahmins then u can make the british hear the sound of “TAMIZH”. Can you just do this favour? May the almighty bless you for humiliating tamilians. u ra a traitor in india.
Before going deep into the ocean “Kanyakumari” shall spread the Truth to all. Go and drink the water of tamizhnadu now you the faithless. I gave you chances to reform yourself but you could not understand what i meant. Everything should be OVER. How can you malign the image of our mother “TAMIZH” who emerged from “kanyakumari” the Sea Mother. I shall watch wherever i will be. you get that?
you son of a guest………are you a real human being? rascal
How dare to spell that…you idiot …..
THERE ARE SO MANY GOOD EXAMPLES ARE THERE TO HIGHLIGHT OR EXPLAIN ABOUT TAMILS.
Now you see only outsider are begging in search of business, work, education in tamil nadu for their survival
BELIEVE ME OR NOT….Athmananda is the one who made me pour my emotions. I hate. We are in need of someone to dig the past, Almighty is operating us all. When everyone pass the line of disicipline there comes the divine power to smash all who want to suppress justice and the truth. And i am happy that i was chosen and i also thank those people who made me do that.
the only difference between a beggar and the priest is coin and cash. Yes, the one who is sitting outside is for coin and the one who is chanting inside is for cash. It is the truth. Thats why we tamizhians are always begging. We are facing not only natural disaster and become orphans but also humans so bad in temples. cobras are also worshipped in india, but when they see them face to face they run away, but when they see the real cobras they dont actually, they worship, they pay lakhs to touch their feet.
I was not shedding tears but my heart was really. I was crossing all kinds painful path. Tamizhians are born to suffer and our mother tamizh too. Re-birth should not be there. Tamizh should end her journey.
Hi Somesh & others having the same mind set!
My fellow Indian wakeup & open your eyes. Know the following.
1) Sanskrit is the easiest language to computerize
2) Sanskritโs grammar does not take more than a year to learn. That is the simplicity and beauty of the Sanskrit language. Thatโs why all other world languages adopted its grammar
3) According to the World Heritage Organization and other historical facts the Dravidian Languages are older than Sanskrit
4) The Dravidian languages are not only Tamil, Telugu, Tamil, Kannada, Tulu, etc that are found in India, but also found in other countries like Cambodia, Malaysia, Singapore
5) So far, 85 Dravidian languages found around the world
6) There may be confusion about the origin of the Sanskrit but the origin of the Dravidian languages is CLEARLY BHARAT (India). If you are interested, I can give you solid evidences.
7) There is no influence of Arabic / Iranian influence on Sanskrit. The simple evidence is that the alphabets of Sanskrit are from Dravidian languages but you cannot find any Iranian / Arabic alphabet in Indian Languages Like Sanskrit, Hindi, Tamil , etc โฆ
8) We can see the essence of Sanskrit in Iranian and other languages only due to the fact that those languages are influenced by Sanskrit
Like this, with a small observation capability a common man with little historical and self observation can understand all these facts, but being an educated person you should not talk baselessly or with wrong statements like โFact is that Sanskrit is mother language for all Dravidian languages i.e Kannada , Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam and Tuluโ. Who told you this? From where you have learned this?
I am a psychiatrist. After seeing you way of expression in this blog I want to tell you about yourself.
Please remember that I am neither scolding you not criticizing. Just giving suggestions. If you do not change your mind set, you may face failure or problems. These points are not only for you nut also the persons who are having the same attitude/mind set.
The persons who discuss in this manner generally have a complex that they always
a) Claiming to be a part of Western civilization.
b) Imitating westerns in all aspects
c) Praising foreigners
d) Feels that their culture and life is a gift of foreign civilization
If you are not able to understand Kannada or tamil or telugu, its your weakness. Tell me How far you have understand your Mother tongue?
Now a days people are crazy about English or foreign languages and scolding & hating our own languages. This is becoming fashion. if you are not respecting your own culture, then where is your identity in the world.
I called you as educated because you can write and use English as I see in this blog, but the real education is knowing, understanding and discussing with minimum standards. I think you have not learned all these standards from your teachers or from your parents. At least try to know and learn from now. It is my sincere suggestion. From your way of expression you are showing your mental weaknesses to all of us. Try to practice meditation (purely Indian, please do not try to tell that we have learned yoga, meditation, vedas, ayurveda, pranayama from foreigners) to put your mind and thinking in right way.
If you think I am scolding you, I pity you! What made me to respond this way is โThe way you have expressed shows your innocence towards facts and also shows a fact that you are not even eligible to discuss about the topic due to insufficient knowledge and wrong mind setโ.
conclusion is
THE INFORMATION YOU KNOW NOW IS WRONG AND INSUFFICIENT TO TAKE PART IN THIS BLOG.
THE MIND SET YOU HAVE IS WRONG TO BE TAKE PART OF ANY DISCUSSION.
Try to change it otherwise you remain mentally Handicapped for your life time.
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And about Languages, the explanation given by INDIAN in this blog is impressive and acceptable. i am expecting views of such kind of people here who can make us really think in a right way
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Tamil is not the oldest language of india, but it is derived from proto-dravidian dialect. I think proto-dravidian means all the south indian language has to be included. look at the following links so that u can find how the words are pronounced for each meaning in all the dravidian language. http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=datadravsdret&first=441 I believe sanskrit is not born in india but it was brought from iran around 2000 bc. so many sanskrit words were brought into telugu,kannada and malayalam language because of brahmin influence ( other dravidian dialect are not included because of their little knowledge ). but all these language still constructed following the principle proto-dravidian.
Sanskrit is oldest language even russian origin is based by sanskrit, Russian president welcomed our president by greeting in sanskrit bcoz we was well worse in sanskrit and they have accepted the fact. But in here we fight for highness everyday misery…..
Fact is that Sanskrit is mother language for all dravidian languages i.e kannada , tamil, telugu, malayalam and tulu.
So neither kannada nor telugu born from tamil or tamil not born from kannada. so fix to what historians say, let they do their work and keep it in front of people rather than we people dont know anything about history or history of language[s].
You know, it takes 100 years to learn full grammer of sanskrit!! so is it possible for us to comment on this topic, without knowing anything of what the matter is.
kannada has hale kannada [old kannada] even i found it so complex and difficulty to understand, which means kannada was so well developed language we all wings. this may be same with tamil or telugu i cant mention here as i don’t their literary. So its simple stop arguing like this or learn all languages and history then comment on this topic not here it applies anywhere as electronic media is vast.
>> Historians do your work and keep infront of people only then this fight for highness ends.
Each and everybody shud be happy that their language is 100’s of generation old.
Dear somesh,
1st of all u should know that sanskrit did not originate in India…It is not an Indian language…it was brought in by the people ie, Aryans through the Kyber Afganistan pass….Then the only spoken language in India was Tamil…Ok…Tamil is the only Indian language which is not originated from Sanskrit…I did not prove it…Thousands of scholars from USA, Sweden,Finland,UK and Israel have proved it…Go and learn the history of India…
Dear Joshua do u knw da history of INDIA
first of all knw it dnt blame Somesh who z crrct…
who said aryans came 4m somewhere n settld in INDIA…knw da perfct history… nt da manipulatd history by britishrs
N knw dis…nobody need 2 prov tat…itz a fact tat Sanskrit is originated in INDIA…do u knw da meaning of aryans atleast…If u search it over da intrnt u get all da suckd-up rslts n dnt follow dem..Do u thnk dose brut n harsh ppl inventd such beatiful language…dnt b foolish…first u go n learn da history of INDIA
u christians of course support da bloody history writtn by british…
n cnvrt da ppl all over da wrld by making othrs believe tat u ppl r gr8
Dear swaminathan there is historical proof that aryans like you came from central Asia.In fact aryans like you should live in kazhakstan,uzbekistan and kyrghistan.There is no differnce between you(aryans) and british
F**k u….assh***Do u thnk such foolish n heartless ppl lyk kazhakstanian,uzbekistanian and kyrghistanians invent such a beautiful lang???U knw ass**** im also a TAMILIAN…bt im nt proud 2 b coz of TAMILIANs lyk u, bloody whore…n chk dis link 1c… http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley_1.htmln lets liv lyk INDIANs nt lyk TAMILIANs, ARYANs, DRAVIDIANs,….etc.,.
Hi Somesh & others having the same mind set!
My fellow Indian wakeup & open your eyes. Know the following.
1) Sanskrit is the easiest language to computerize
2) Sanskritโs grammar does not take more than a year to learn. That is the simplicity and beauty of the Sanskrit language. Thatโs why all other world languages adopted its grammar
3) According to the World Heritage Organization and other historical facts the Dravidian Languages are older than Sanskrit
4) The Dravidian languages are not only Tamil, Telugu, Tamil, Kannada, Tulu, etc that are found in India, but also found in other countries like Cambodia, Malaysia, Singapore
5) So far, 85 Dravidian languages found around the world
6) There may be confusion about the origin of the Sanskrit but the origin of the Dravidian languages is CLEARLY BHARAT (India). If you are interested, I can give you solid evidences.
7) There is no influence of Arabic / Iranian influence on Sanskrit. The simple evidence is that the alphabets of Sanskrit are from Dravidian languages but you cannot find any Iranian / Arabic alphabet in Indian Languages Like Sanskrit, Hindi, Tamil , etc โฆ
8) We can see the essence of Sanskrit in Iranian and other languages only due to the fact that those languages are influenced by Sanskrit
Like this, with a small observation capability a common man with little historical and self observation can understand all these facts, but being an educated person you should not talk baselessly or with wrong statements like โFact is that Sanskrit is mother language for all Dravidian languages i.e Kannada , Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam and Tuluโ. Who told you this? From where you have learned this?
I am a psychiatrist. After seeing you way of expression in this blog I want to tell you about yourself.
Please remember that I am neither scolding you not criticizing. Just giving suggestions. If you do not change your mind set, you may face failure or problems. These points are not only for you nut also the persons who are having the same attitude/mind set.
The persons who discuss in this manner generally have a complex that they always
a) Claiming to be a part of Western civilization.
b) Imitating westerns in all aspects
c) Praising foreigners
d) Feels that their culture and life is a gift of foreign civilization
If you are not able to understand Kannada or tamil or telugu, its your weakness. Tell me How far you have understand your Mother tongue?
Now a days people are crazy about English or foreign languages and scolding & hating our own languages. This is becoming fashion. if you are not respecting your own culture, then where is your identity in the world.
I called you as educated because you can write and use English as I see in this blog, but the real education is knowing, understanding and discussing with minimum standards. I think you have not learned all these standards from your teachers or from your parents. At least try to know and learn from now. It is my sincere suggestion. From your way of expression you are showing your mental weaknesses to all of us. Try to practice meditation (purely Indian, please do not try to tell that we have learned yoga, meditation, vedas, ayurveda, pranayama from foreigners) to put your mind and thinking in right way.
If you think I am scolding you, I pity you! What made me to respond this way is โThe way you have expressed shows your innocence towards facts and also shows a fact that you are not even eligible to discuss about the topic due to insufficient knowledge and wrong mind setโ.
conclusion is
THE INFORMATION YOU KNOW NOW IS WRONG AND INSUFFICIENT TO TAKE PART IN THIS BLOG.
THE MIND SET YOU HAVE IS WRONG TO BE TAKE PART OF ANY DISCUSSION.
Try to change it otherwise you remain mentally Handicapped for your life time.
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And about Languages, the explanation given by INDIAN in this blog is impressive and acceptable. i am expecting views of such kind of people here who can make us really think in a right way
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Dear Mr. Somesh I think you like Russian whores… so thst why you are trying to suck someone’s pussy here!!! Now dont be a pussy! if you have not learned enough and have no idea what you are talking about shut the up!!
Do you have any idea how sanskrit derived? and when? like wise when did the Dravidian languages came into existence.. I dont think you know… so sorry… well go get your self extra enrolled your self in a decent college to know more about this subject.. and still if you cannot learn drink one glass of one of our Tamil urine..probably that will help you to start using your brain and some common sense will prevail in your head for the first time in your life, don]t forget to post a thank you message after drinking the urine…!!!
UNESCO has authenticated that out of 6000 languages being around the world in which 2000 languages are being the primary ones and out of which only 6 languages are the oldest among all which brought the meaning to all which means being derived like … viz..
Tamil
Sanskrit
Chineese
Latin
Greece
Hebrews..
They ve also revealed that one is Tamil and other is our western language which are the basic ones in the very early days contributed in overall civilizations among ppl….
Dear Friends !
This for the kind information of all the fellows who Blind to see the real TRUTH. The fact is, long back people from Ancient India were using so many languages which are divided into two types (without taking the trivial names)
(1) Natural Languages : spoken by common people
(2) Polished Languages : spoken by Kings and Linguists.
Polished languages were developed based on the Natural languages. In polished languages the words from the natural languages had been taken and Grammarized. The Grammerization of words or any language defines the meaning and situation of the usage of words perfectly by avoiding confusions in using words in different situations.
So, languages in the world were developed from the words used by common people. The culture and the language both have influence on each other. As the culture grows, there were linguistic battles between different linguists (poets) who wanted to impress the kings with tactical usage of words by developing new words and new usages, resulting clear separation between linguistic groups of same language. This lead to the isolation of usage of words, resulting separation between different areas of the people who spoke the same language.
For example :
Muduka(kannada),Musali(telugu)-Mudiyavan(Tamil)
Poets / people from different areas of the same country/region chose their own pronunciation of words.
Later they named their usages differently producing different dialects like Tamil (means : proud to speak) , Tenugu/Telugu (means: sweet to speak) , Kannada (means : happy to listen) , Tulu (means: language of Tulunadu [land of Tulus] ), and so on … THE FACT IS all these languages ware developed from same mother language. The mother language has no name which is now we call it as Pro-Dravidian language. The name DRAVIDA was used by Aryans to identify NATIVE INDIANS which is now becomes identity of SOUTH INDIANS.
THE ANOTHER fact is that powerful ancients like Kings /Emporers wanted to have a new language to use and praise themselves , because Kings feel that they are Sons of Gods. For their use and praise they had encouraged poets/linguists to develop a new language that results SANSRIKT. Initially the new language was developed with the name GRANTHA by simplifying (super polishing) the existing words & grammar. In the new language (Grandha) meaning of the word SAMSKAR is (Clean) . This was taken and the new name for the new language was given as SAMSKRITH. In English it is called SANSKRIT. So, meaning of SAMSKRITHA/ SANSRKIT is CLEAN. Because, in ancient days all languages used/spoken by common people were categorized as PRAKRIT due to presence of some filthy words.
Later some flavors of other languages (available at that time) had been added. Thus we can see the flavors of Iranian and other foreign languages in SANSKRIT.
Later the other Indian languages were developed from SANSKRIT like Bengali, Hindi, etc.
As we know always people are crazy for new languages. And being hailed as clean language, poets adopted SAMSKRIT for their writings. Gradually new literature in the exiting languages has adopted the new language. That is why we can see the influences of SAMSKRIT on existing languages.
So, I believe that NOW you came to know about the categorization of languages
>> PRAKRITIK languages : means natural languages spoken by common people
>> SAMSRITIK languages: means polished languages spoken or used by/for Kings and Gods.
So, the core purpose of developing SAMSRKITH language is to preparation of new language to praise Kings and Gods. This is evident that most literature in SAMSRIKTH is in the form of MATRAS and POEMS that worship GODs and KINGs.
Due to simplicity the Aryans may have adopted SAMSKRITH language to interact with the Indian native people and KINGs. Gradually SAMSKRITH is propagated into other regions of the world through business and mathematics and influenced the other languages like Iranian, Greek, Latin, etc. There are so many evidences for this. One of the well known facts is that business and mathematics are introduced to Arabs by Indians and so many mathematical theories were translated from SAMSKRITH into ARABIC literature then those theories are introduced to Europeans by Arabs. That is why even today the decimal system (which was developed by Indians) is called Indo-Arabic system by the rest of the world. The world is not recognizing us directly but recognizing through Arabs. What a pity?!
Still the foreigners are successful in making (fooling) us to believe that the SAMSKRITH is not our language but an Aryan language.
They are splitting us in the name of language dialects (of one mother language) like Tamilians, Andhras, Kannadas, Malayalis, etc. They are making us to DAMAGE OUR OWN EYES WITH OUR OWN FINGERS.
I am asking the persons, who argue that the SAMSKRITH language is Aryanโs language, to show one SAMSKRITH literature that was written about Iranian or German culture, or any Aryan related culture or activities or worships.
Even the word ARYAN itself a SAMSKRITH word that was not existed before SAMSKRITH. The word ARYA has been using for the ancients days to call the persons with high respect. So of the foreigners might have been addressed as ARYANS, that does not mean that they (foreigners) claim that our culture and languages are their gifts. They have no great influence on our culture, core life style and languages. The fact is that we INDIANS influenced the culture and languages of foreigners highly. The idiotic western historians are making us fools by hiding all these facts and turning the history in their favor by making false researches.
OPEN UP YOUR MINDS and see the world in a broad sense, you will find the real truths. Donโt congest yourself by separating yourself from your siblings. There is neither DRAVIDIAN-INDIAN/SOUTH INDIAN nor ARYAN-INDIAN/NORTH-INDIAN exists.
There is no TAMIL, TELUGU, MALAYALI, BENGALI, HIDI, KASHMIRI, UTKAL exists. Only existing is INDIA and INDIANS.
Even if you think the words INDIA & INDIANS are given by foreigners, Just say yourself as BHARATHEEYA (a person of the country BHARATH) in our own name.
Excellent explanationโฆ
Thanks to make people think in real dimension.
Xcellnt wrk…it ll make othrs knw wat da truth is
Keep it up yaar…
really a great explanation … am proud to say BHARATHEEYA
Nice…we all get a chance to know this valuable info’…good work…
Someone said that the actual name of Tamizh is Aravam and it means demon’s language. For his information the first half is true i.e., Tamizh is otherwise called as Aravam (Aram = Dharma(m)) by people of other languages and it means Dharma or Dharmam in their own languages even in Sanskrit. Let that person refer any literature (Agaradhi) of any Indian languages it gives the same meaning. I hope Tamilzh is the only language in the world which has been given such a big credit by the other language speakers. Valga Tamizh!!! Valarga Bharadham!!!
We are living in the greatest diversified country. Why people are debating in the name of languages? Language is a communicating media, nothing else. For every body thier mother tongue is the sweetest and respectable one. In general, majority of the people in the world can understand and able to speak English and hence English is the universal language.
Well Morran everybody doesnt speak english and everybody doesnt understand in our diversified country simple as that!!!!
and for your information Dick head Spanish is the widely spoken language in the world so should the whole world should change and start speaking Spanish!!!!!
Dear all
yes i accept Shanskrit is the oldest language,. but who are all talking Sanskrit ? ? ?
After Sanskrit Tamil is the Oldest language in India,.. 6oo BC,.. recently some oldest document they found,.. Tamil should be 1000 BC
Tamil born before shanskrit may be,.. who knows?
เฎเฎฉเฎฟ เฎตเฎฐเฏเฎฎเฏ เฎเฎพเฎฒเฎคเฏเฎคเฎฟเฎฒเฏ เฎคเฎฎเฎฟเฎดเฏ เฎ เฎดเฎฟเฎฏเฎพเฎฎเฎฒเฏ เฎชเฎพเฎฐเฏเฎคเฏเฎคเฏเฎเฏเฎฃเฏเฎเฎพเฎฒเฏ เฎเฎฐเฎฟ
เฎตเฎพเฎดเฏเฎ เฎคเฎฎเฎฟเฎดเฏ
hi friends, very happy to say that our thamizh language is the mother of all other language because the best proof is THIRUKURAL which is wrote before jesus christ. every one well know this fact.
but what ever language it may be. Be proud to say that we are Indians…
JAIHIND! VANDE MANTHRAM!
wat u said abt Tamil may r maynt b true…bt its true dat v r all BHARATEEY…Jai Hind
V, Tamilians, shud knw dis fact
The basics of any language is number system. Basing on this one can observe that both telugu and Kannada have similar words for their number system which is much closer to the Tamil words than to Sanskrit.
Secondly a lot of Tamil words are present in kannada and telugu of course in slightly modified forms.
Muduka(kannada),Musali(telugu)-Mudiyavan(Tamil)-old man
Hoge(kannada),Poga(telugu)-Pugai(Tamil)-smoke
Halli(kannad),Palle(telugu)-Palli(Tamil) -a village as in gudahalli(kannad),Repalle(telugu),Thiruchirapalli(tamil)
Since I also telugu besides Tamil
I am listing some more similarities between Tamil and Telugu
Pogadu-Pugazh-Praise
Pongu-Pongu-to boil
chevi-chevi-ears
kannu-kan-eyes
mukku-Mookku-Nose
Naaluka-Naakku-tongue
This is a never ending list.So my telugu and kannada dravidian brothers acceprt the fact that it is Tamil which is the mother language for your languages.
If you are unable to do so please forward me synonyms for all the words whichever I have mentioned.If you fail to do so, then your own conscious will force you to accept this fact about the great TAMIL.
LONG LIVE THIS GREAT LANGUAGE.
you are right many similarities are there between languages. the reason for thsi is the mother of all these languages is same, not that tamil is mother… all dravidian languages are children of protodravidian language. it is divided in to three catogiries i.e. north dravidian, central dravidian and south dravidian. telugu developed from central dravidian language. tamil and kannada are developed from sounth dravidian language. know the facts before start prouding of nothing.
No Dravidians r Aryans…jst follow da below link: http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley_1.html y do u ppl indulge in racism…wen v r all Bharateey???? So pity of u…pchhhh
Actually tamil is also a old language , but not eternal as sanskrit language. The difference is tamil belongs to rakshasas and Sanskrit to Gods. Who ever accepts this truth or not, atleast after hundreds of years, Tamilians also will accept this truth.
sanjieev you are a rakshasa man,because tamil is the god language from lard Siva,and world richest and oldest language said cartl from university of toronto department of world language,sanjeev you are comedian man hahahahahahaha
Gane- Personal comments can be easily made in websites. However, try to put forward the facts or create awareness thru forums. You know original name of tamil is aravam which is nothing but demons.
Very well said Sanjeev.
Telugu language has 65% influence of Sanskrit,
the rest from, Marathi, Tamil, Prakrit… etc.
So this doesnt really set the stage for Tamil to be considered as the Mother of Telugu or South Indian Languages.
Regards,
Rakesh
Rakesh, you accepted that telugu has begged from several languages and it doesnt have a single word of its own… Sundara Telugu can be now called as ‘Begged Telugu’. Mr.Sanjeev(Comedian) Aravam mean ‘Dharmam’ (Dharma). Just know before u post. Thats y we have given lot of words to other languages…. Begger fellows….. Tamil is the only oldest and currently used language of all languages in this world, which has been proved already…. Comedy fellows…..
Ohhh very Scary Vekata… somebody help me!!!! Hahahaha… Telgu alone doesn’t have 65 % of sanskrit and some tamil… also Telugu girl’s love our tamil Dicks hahaha .. may be you should ask someone in your family dude!! how did they like our long lasting one’s… against you telugu 2 minute noodles!!!! We tamils are not the cry babies crying to prove tamil is the oldest language.. it is already proven… and you buggar’s are nothing just beggar’s.. who dont have a script of your own..script borrowed from kannada and words from tamil I wonder where you guys are borrowing your sperm from OH ooopsss sssshhhzzzz I know we guys from tamil nadu are taking care of your women.. no problem dude any day any night we will be there for your women!!! Now wipe your skinny black ass!!!
Eternal???Are you eternal Mr.? Do you know the meaning of the word “Eternal” Tamil is old… not as eternal Sanskrit???? Good Lord… Ok Sanjeev I got an idea why don’t you suck my dick!!! so you can get and clear idea of how old is our language and how eternal we tamils are..Hahahaha Lol): Now don’t cry after reading this, I know your blood will boil… best thing for you is to go to your Mamama… and hide behind her.. I am gonna get your ass boy believe me.. we are coming for you!!! Boooooooooooo
Yes! Vick is write person to represent Tamils he have all natural attitude of Tamils. where it comes for those who have born for numerous DICK!!! Vick is proven that culture of Tamils is ruin & they remain as Barbarian. Never Tamils can contend Samskruta!
I know it hurts! better mind your words its not really hard type these words my dear Dickey
purely inferiority complex planted pre-planned. Good job indeed!!!!
dai yeruma maadu hemraj ,unna serupaala adipen da yetcha kala naaye .yem mozhiyai tharam thaalthi pesubavan siram tharaiyil vilum
Please stop talking nonsense like Sanskrit being mother of all languages???? People talk loudly about this but when we ask for proof none of the so called scholars talk, rather vanish. First of all Sanskrit is a descended language of Old Iranian. Round about the 20th century BC, there were Mittani people who spoke Mittani languages migrated, from Iran and Syrian kingdoms, to far off places like Bactria, Russia, India through Turkmenistan. Recent surveys conducted in archeological complexes of Turkmenistan/Northern Afghanistan clearly indicate that these Aryans occupied this area nearly 2000 BC and moved to India by 1700 BC. Rig Vedic religion is nothing but Zoroastrianism religious beliefs of old Iranians. Deities mentioned in this religion like Indra, Varuna, Adhiti, etc are also mentioned in texts of Rig Veda.
Mittani Aryans moved to India through Kyber – Bolan gateway and displaced the people of Indus Valley and moved further down and settled in Gangetic plains. Successive migrations of various Aryan tribes from Steppe, Turkey, Iran, Greece, etc shoved Aryan languages on already existed people stock and that is how Aryan languages grew into a big populace. Most of these languages have already died and Sanskrit is part of it.
@Hemraj, I do not know how you get into fictitious stories like Sanskrit is 500000 years old. First of all, modern humans (Homo Sapiens) moved out of Africa 60000 years ago into places like Peninsular India and Kutch. In a recent path breaking discovery, M130 genetic marker of these Africans were found in some hilly tribes of Tamilnadu (They were called Pira malai kallar). They were the first people to migrate to India and migrated to far off places like Australia, New Zealand and Papua New Guinea. Linguists have found striking similarities between Old Tamil and the aboriginal languages of these regions. Can I call Old Tamil being the mother of all languages because of this discovery? I do not want to boast like this until linguists come up with proper investigation.
By far, Tamil is more than 3500 years old with its hoary literary past and its literature is unique in nature compared to any Sanskrit Literature. That is why it was awarded this status and I am very proud that I descended from this lineage.
Excellent points!
เฎจเฎฉเฏเฎฑเฎฟ เฎคเฎฎเฎฟเฎดเฎพ!
Excellent !!!!!!
jst thnk hw cud b a rude language(tamil) mother of da most beautiful n most syntactic language (SANSKRIT)…..dnt thnk lyk a stubborn Tamilian
then y r u arguing????????? we r discussing about the oldest language and not the oldest culture
i think Poet subrahmaniya bharathiyar was writing only in TAMIZH and not in SANSKRIT. And he was by birth an aryan came into tamizh land and he is still respected in tamizh nadu for his tamizh poems.
When satan was distracting God, God was very much concerned about this person called Bharathiar. So we call him “maka kavi”, the great poet of his time.
wat a foolishness…!!!!
SANSKRIT is a descendant of IRANian lang????hav u evr found any similarityn b/w “beautiful Sanskrit” n Iranian lang….u ppl knw nthng…u knw Sanskrit is nt nly a lang…itz da culture u fool
i feel sanskrit is the oldest language in the world and rest all the languages evolved from it.semmozhi manadu is a crap f,or the people who cant even pronounce the words of their own language.lets first teach them how to pronounce zha ,haa,etc.ant lets focus on some important issues facing the state rather then playing language politics and wasting a great deal of taxpayers money n time on some bullshit crap manadu.people r larger than any language in the world which is just a means for expressing ur thoughts .so it really doesnt matter in which language u talk.
We agree to you full heartedly. Human being and the love amoung the human are important than anything.
However, when a debate comes as to which is oldest language, we sud produce some evidence to prove it.
You can not feel and write your feeling here rather write something which every body can be benefited of it.
No scolars, unbiased scolars, have so far concluded that Sanskrit is the oldest language than Tamil.
One more thing which I would like to clear it that there is no evidence so far produced before the society that Sanskrit is the language spoken by God or it is a Godly Language. Had it been a Godly language it would have not been phased out of the spoke state. It is not identified as a spoken language in any of the territory as it had a very complex or unstructured grammer and sentence formation – which are considered to be very important for a language to survive.
mac u feel? ?but truth tamil is oldest language in the world and rest all the languages evolved from it
I personally think human created different languages just to communicate easily not to debate on which one came first.
mac
The six most ancient languages in the world are Sanskrit, Tamil, Hebrew, Arabic, Greek and Latin. All these six are classical languages as well. Of these six classical languages Tamil and Sanskrit are the two classical languages, which flourished in India since very ancient times. I will not give a very long lecture on these two great languages, but rather what I would like to call a bird’s eye-view of these two languages, to enable you to have a fleeting glimpse of greatness and glory of these two hoary languages which together constitute the pride of India.
Sanskrit, the mother of all European languages and of many Indian languages is as old as the hills. The exact antiquity of Sanskrit cannot be established with any degree of certainty. This is because, we have written records only for the past 5000 years. Therefore, history beyond that period is in the realm of fancy and conjecture. The Rig Veda, the oldest among the Vedas is said to be 10,000 years old, if not older. But, there are no written records to prove this fact. But, the fact remains that Sanskrit was the lingua franca of India for thousands of years.
Sanskrit is the foundation of Hinduism. In fact, it can be said without fear of contradiction that without Sanskrit, there is no Hinduism. The four Vedas and the Upanishads, the Brahma-Sutra written by Veda Vyasa, the two epicts Ramayana and Mahabharata and the Bhagavad-Gitawhich forms part of the Mahabharata are all in Sanskrit. There are numerous devotional works and hyms in Sanskrit.
Sanskrit literature is one of the richest in the world. The number of standard works in Sanskrit is mind-bogging and runs into several hundreds. In ancient times, some Kings were also erudite scholars. For example, Harshavardhana who ruled a large segment of North India between 606 to 647 AD was an erudite Sanskrit scholar and wrote a number of literary works in Sanskrit like Nagananda, Rathavali and Priyadarsika. Small wonder that since not only scholars, but also some kings contributed to the growth and development of Sanskrit literature, that hoary language has prodigious amount of literature. Sanskrit grew from strength to strength, so long as India was ruled by Hindu Kings. It reached the pinnacle of its glory during the Golden Age of the Guptas. Indeed, the Golden Age of the Guptas was also the Golden Age of Sanskrit. Kalidasa, the tallest literary figure in Sanskrit and author of plays like Meghaduta, Abhijnana-Sakuntalam,Kumara Sambhava, Raghuvamsa etc. lived during this period. It is not only literature but also all forms of art and science had a luxuriant growth and development during the Gupta rule. Varahamihira, an eminent scientist lived during the Gupta age and wrote brilliant works on various faculties like astronomy, geography and botony. His brilliant works include Brihat Samhita and Loghu jataka. A!ya Bha , the great mathematician, laid the foundation of the number system. Zero was invented by him. He was also a great astronomer who wrote Surya Siddanta, in which he proved that the earth revolved round its axis. Many such examples can be cited to prove that it is not only art and literature, but also science and technology made rapid strides during the Golden Age of Guptas. Decimal system was invented during the Gupta period.
Sanskrit is a veritable storehouse of knowledge and there are
standard text-books in it in all faculties or disciplines including science,
technology, mathematics, astrology, astronomy, botany, medicine etc. So,
it is not as if Sanskrit is literature alone, including devotional literature and
nothing else. It is gratifying that the Government of India is doing its level
best to promote the learning of Sanskrit in India, including spoken
Sanskrit. Dr. Murali Manohar Joshi, Human Resources Development
Minister is trying his level best to restore Sanskrit to its pristine glory. This
is a good augury, because Sanskrit and Indian culture and civilisation have
been indissolubly bound together, right from antiquity. However, this alone is
not enough. The greatness and glory of Sanskrit must spread throughout
the world. This is possible only if all the important works in Sanskrit are
translated into English. Max Mueller translated the Rig Veda and the
principal Upanishad into English. There are several English translations of
the Bhagavad-Gita. What remains to be done is that the works in Sanskrit
which have not been translated into English so far must now be translated.
I shall now give a brief resume of Tamil literature. If there is any Indian language which is equal to Sanskrit it is Tamil only and not any other Indian language for that matter. Sanskrit is a match for Tamil. Conversely, Tamil is a match for Sanskrit in grandeur and greatness.
It is difficult to say how old Tamil is. But, it is the considered opinion of Dr.M.Varadarajan, an outstanding Tamil scholar that it is 25,000 years old. It has a vast repertoire of classical works. The earliest extant classic in Tamil is, of course, Tolkappiam, which is said to be 5000 years old. But, there are references in Tamil literature about works earlier to Tolkappiam, but these have been irretrievably lost to posterity. Generally speaking Silappadigaram, Chintamani, Manimekalai, Valayapathi and Gundalakesi are considered as five great classics in Tamil literature, of which the last two have been lost to posterity. But, the greatest classic in Tamil literature is undoubtedly Kamba Ramayanam, an epic poem of around 12,000 verses, written in grandiose style. The number of literary works in Tamil is legion. And each literary work has a distinctive flavour of its own. For example, Villibharatam, excels in the use of choice diction and resonant rhymes while Kalingathu Bharani glorifies heroism on the battlefield. There are also several devotional works in Tamil like Devaram, Tiruvachagam, Thiruppavai, Tiruvembavai, Nalayirathu Divya Prabandam, Thiru Arutpa and Thiruppugazh, to mention only a few among them. This is because piety has been the hallmark of Tamils since antinquity.
One of the greatest works in Tamil which is of timeless value is, of course, Tirukkural, containing nuggets of wisdom. There are several commentaries on it, but that by Parimalazhagar is regarded as the best by erudite scholars. Modern students of Tamil literature can make profitable use of the rendition of the Tirukkural into simple prose by Dr.M.Varadarajan, a name to conjure with Tamil literature. His work Kallo Kaviyamo is a masterpiece, which has won wide acclaim.
The history of Tamil literature can be divided into two periods namely Tamil literature before the advent of British rule and Tamil literature after the establishment of the British rule in India.
Before the British set foot on our soil, Tamil literature had a stunted and lopsided
growth. There was superabunclant poetry, a small amount of turgid prose and little else.
The renaissance of Tamil language/ literature took place only during the British regime. New forms of writing in Tamil never known before, like skit, modern prose, article, essay, drama, one-act play, short story, novel, satire etc. blossomed only after scholars and writers in Tamil were exposed to English and its literature. Thus, English contributed to the variegated and multifarious growth of Tamil literature in no small measure. Those who inveigh against English and plead for monolinguism i.e.Tamil only must not forget this patent fact.
The twentieth century was a watershed in Tamil literature. There were hundreds of writers in Tamil who tried all forms of writing with success as explained earlier. Tamil periodicals like Ananda Vikatan, Kalki, Kumudam, Amuda Surabi and Kalaimagal gave a big boost to the prolific growth of Tamil literature notably novels, which were serialised and published as short stories and essays.
Tamil prose and poetry also underwent a transformation during the 20th century. The trend-setter in modem Tamil prose was T.V.Kalyanasundara Mudaliar, affectionately known as Thiru-vi-ka, while the trend-setter in modem Tamil poetry was Subramania Bharathi. In short, the largest and varied output in Tamil literature came about only in the twentieth century, the Golden Age of Tamil literature.
The British regime also enabled foreign scholars to learn Tamil language and its literature, owing to which the greatness and glory of Tamil literature spread to many foreign countries. For example, Tirukkural was first translated into English by G.U. Pope. Subsequently, there were other translations of Tirukkural. Now, there is a Penguin edition of Tirukkural about which every Tamil can feel proud. Other foreign scholars who learnt Tamil incude John Caldwell and Joseph Beschi, who changed his name as Veeramamunivar.
Thus you will understand that for the prolific and variegated growth of Tamil literature, a good command of English is absolutely essential. I hope that in the years to come many Tamil students will master English and translate all the important works in Tamil into English so that foreign scholars may know about the immensity of literary output in Tamil. Likewise, foreigners who want to learn Tamil must be provided all facilities in Tamil Nadu. Well, these are the two ways to spread the greatness and glory of Tamil around the world.
Till now, I have given you a resume of Sanskrit and Tamil literature. Now, I will dwell on the growth of both Tamil and Sanskrit literature in Tamil Nadu since ancient times.
The ancient Tamils regarded both Tamil and Sanskrit as their two eyes, as some Tamil scholars have stressed time and again. They learnt both these languages with equal fervour.
There is no poet without a patron. Therefore, if both Tamil and Sanskrit flourished simultaneously in Tamil Nadu from ancient times, it was only because Tamil Kings patronised both Tamil and Sanskrit without any discrimination. Kanchi was a great seat of learning Sanskrit in ancient times.
Many Tamil scholars were equally proficient in Sanskrit too in ancient times like Agathiyar, Tolkappiar and others. It is debatable whether Kambar would have written his magnum opus Kamba Ramayanarn with such unrivalled excellence, but for his commendable proficiency in Sanskrit. Some poets, as for example, Villiputhurar and Arunagirinathar blended both these languages in their poems judiciously. In fact, there was a time, not long ago, when only those who were proficient in both languages were regbrded as scholars by the academicians. That was about 150 years ago.
But, four outstanding Tamil scholars namely Subramania Bharati and his friends and disciples Bharatidasan, Swami Vedachalarn who changed his name into pure Tamil as Maraimalai Adigal and V.K.Suryanarayana Sastriar who changed his name into pure Tamil as Paridimaal Kalaignar fomented Tamil frenzy among the people of Tamil Nadu, through their speeches or writings or both. Some Tamil scholars like Navalar Somasundara Bharathiyar denigrated Sanskrit. As if this was not enough, there were some politicians who launched in season and out of season vitriolic tirades against Sanskrit and branded it as an alien language. Hence Sanskrit began to languish in Tamil Nadu since the dawn of the twentieth century after flourishing continuously for thousands of years in Tamil Nadu.
There are many Western scholars who learn Sanskrit even today and realise much to their pleasant surprise that it is a veritable treasure trove.
There are many Muslims who learn Sanskrit in India and abroad even today. Recently, a Muslim scholar had translated the Bhagavad-Gita into Urdu from Sanskrit. Mr.M.M.Ismail, former Chief Justice of Madras High Court, who is propagating the greatness and glory of Kamba Ramayanam is well up in Sanskrit and speaks fluently in that language.
When western scholars who are Chrisitans and Muslims in India and abroad learn Sanskrit, there is no reason why Tamils should not emulate the shining example of their forbears and start learning Sanskrit right from now onwards. I hope you will ponder over this issue in all earnestness.
I have hitherto made a comparative analysis of Sanskrit and Tamil literature and explained with facts and figures as to how both Tamil and Sanskrit flourished in Tamil Nadu simultaneously since ancient times.
R.P.Sethu Pillai, a distinguished Tamil savant has said in one of his essays in Tamil that both Sanskrit and Tamil had a luxuriant growth by God’s grace. It is hoped that both these ancient and classical languages will be learnt with avidity not by the people in India, but also by scholars in all countries around the world, so that India’s priceless and peerless heritage may be known the world over, as a result of which India’s prestige will soar throughout the globe.
dont be crap
eventhough all languges are respected
who is the best which was boung with culture and civilization long b4
sanskrit is dead and living in textbooks
tamil survives
survival of the fittest
without knowing basics dont talk like a crap
I would like to know the history of Telugu, Kannada and Malayalam too.
From my understanding, the scripts of the 4 dravidian languages had a common ancestry.
Thamizh today: Is it developing or deteriorating?
It appears that the influence of English and other languages over spoken Thamizh is causing only much damage. English like languages have enriched themselves by adopting words from other languages as such or with slight modification. But it is the nature of a language that decides whether it is development or deterioration. I feel English like languages can be compared to forests where all kinds of plants and tress are found. But Thamizh should be seen as land developed over thousands of years for farming. Our civilization has carefully developed the land and plants that can feed and get us healthy life. Mixing the words from other languages and speaking Thamizh is ignoring the toils of our ancestors and once again making the developed land into a jungle. Forest is beautiful and it should be developed in its own way only. And settlements developed should be developed in line with their own past. We can enjoy seeing jungles but we can’t live there. I don’t mean to undermine other languages or people, but Thamizh is a part of the Great Indian and World Cultures with specific identities which should be preserved in the interest of human race as a whole.
It is more the educated which is forgetting the roots of the tree, the fruits of which only we are. A number of ancient languages have lost their existence in the tongues of people. It is the responsibility of the entire human race to preserve its history, giving up narrow ‘it is not mine’ attitude. From this point of view I would like to know is there any program or group or initiative where others can also contribute, to cleanse the spoken Thamizh to the extent possible and extend the life of an ancient language?
Thamizh is an ancient language…What an insult that they write Thamizh as Tamil …This is the most idiotic situation to all Thamizh speaking people… you people dont feel ashame to pronounce your own language in a proper manner…Are you the lovers of Thamizh language ? And there is also a statement that Thamizh people mostly dont pronounce the words in a proper manner comparing to other language speaking people..Its a Shame for Tamizh language and its is stated that ‘zha’ is the pride for tamizh language and what is the beauty is 75% of the Thamizh people dont know to pronouce the letter ‘zha’… also they dont know how to pronounce sanskrit letters such as ‘ jaa ‘ , ‘ ghaa’ , ‘shaa’, ‘ haaa’… Thamizh is a beautiful language, dont spoil it by pronouncing in a wrong manner… Its an utter waste for considering the Thamizh language as ‘ Semmozhi ‘ ie) Classical language that most of the people dont know the meaning for many thamizh words and equivalent words in english …The present 2010 government is celebrating the “world Thamizh clasical confernce ” … They must teach and bring the usage of pronouncing the Thamizh language in a proper manner to all Thamizh speaking people…All Tamizh people should think about it… You must bring the renovation that we Thamizh people could speak in a proper manner of pronouncing it correctly…Dear Thamizhans learn other Indian languages too.. Especially Hindi ..Because you cannot survive in India without knowing Hindi…English will not help Thamizh people in all over India… Learn other languages too… Let us all preserve thamizh language and bring pride to our nation…Im a lover of Thamizh language and its my duty to state my fellow Thamizh speaking citizens to pronounce the language atleast in a proper way…When Thamizh people start to speak the language in a proper manner it is the day to attend the dignity of ” Thamizh uyarthani semmozhi”…Nandri..Vanakkam
How could you say that tamil cant be declared as classical language until all people speaking tamil must have lerant how to precisely pronounce all the words in tamil while it is virtually impossible to learn all tamil words and no one belonging to any language can be able to correctly pronounce all the words in their own language, ( i ask u ” can u precisely pronounce all the words in any language that you know ??” ) ,,
Tamil is recommended to get into the classical languages list not the tamilians ,, So you cant declare that tamil is not deserved to be declared as a classical language just because tamilians do not correctly pronounce nor they do not respect their mother language :( ,, Just try to realize the beauty in tamil not the ugly part of tamilians ,, I do accept the fact that most of the tamilians like you do not respect it and they don’t know the true value of the language they speak,,
Why should we learn Hindi while we know tamil the oldest living language and English the global language ??
Cant all the people not knowing Hindi live in all over india ??
How many words you have man in your language vowels and consonants together?
tamil is the oldest language of india
dated 600 BC and sanskrit or prakrit dated 230BC
sumarian dated 3200 BC as the oldest language of world
fowlled by akkadian 2800BC
need not to fight we all are humans
and every one’s contribution matter these days
thanks
long live humans
;-)
Tamil language is one of the most ancient language of the world. It has influenced three other dravidian languages such as Malayslam, Kannada and Telugu. Malayalam which has born from Tamil just 500 years ago has a significant percentage of Tamil words in it while Kannada and Telugu again arguably born from this divine language 900 – 1000 years ago.
It is because of this fact that Tamilians were easily able to understand Malayalam and vice verza.. Also even today there are influence of Tamil in Kannada as well though not sure about Telugu.
55% of all ancient inscriptions found by archeological suvey of India are in Tamil language. Also UNESCO scientists says that Tamilnadu region is among the very few in the world were continuos human inhabitation existed in the world.
who said that kannada has influenced from tamil…kannada has more scripts than tamil..it is telugu people who have copied our script..and sanskrit is the oldest language not tamil…
Do you know all the scripts of Tamil as well as Kannada? How did you conclude Sir? Dont just post…. try to document the truth too. As Tamil is considered to be oldest so is Kannada too as the former is the mother language from Tamil. There are about 27 Dravidan Languages are from Tamil. Most of them are spoken in South India. There is language presently spoken in western Pakistan, which is now concluded by scolars that the same is from Tamil – dravidain Language.
More over, It is better we will stop speaking about Sanskrit as there is no such language is presetly spoken by any one in the world or spoken by very small/meager group . This group also speak other languages (like Hindi) of the territory where they live.
So we no need to give important to Sanskrit
dai chetan who said kannada has more scripts than tamil?but world language research said kannada born from tamil,tamil is the mother language of all southindian language do you know? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_language
“significant percentage of Tamil words in it while Kannada and Telugu again arguably born from this divine language 900 โ 1000 years ago.”
you are wrong
Shanskrit is the oldest language of the world and sanatan is the religion of the world because we have 500000 year old history.
@ swaminathan -dear I think only .99% people can understand what you want to say …if you dont know English atleast you should know Hindi….
Hope you have added three zero’s in the end after 500 and missed 3 before 500.
It is evident, obvious and may be it is hard for you to digest but the fact is Rig Veda is only 3500 year old.
The Indus dale civilization is the civilization of dravidians (Many scolars have accepted it already and more are under research to bring forth more clear evidences).
So it better to accept the scientifically estabilished result now. We will also accept it later if the unbiased scolars table the evidences later that the oldest is Sanskrit. As it has been scientifically proved that Tamil is the oldest (not mother of all languages in the world but mother of many languages in Southern part of India, Western pakistan and some of the languages of tribes in Australia) lets us accept it and also wait for more resuts to come.
But syaing Sanskrit or Tamil is the mother of all languages is a lie or a fake statement. Like wise, sying that the age of Sanskrit is 500000 is also a lie and fake. It amounts to you cheating your ownself. So… Mr.Hemraj, Please wake up of the nightmare and come to reality.
dai hema…?tamil is the mother language of all southindian language do you know? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil, we have 1500000 year old history, how is it..?
hi brothers and sisters,
This not a place to show who is first and best..
India is rich in its culture and heritage all Indian languages have they own importance and specialties, on the whole we are same and we are from same mother called India. Languages can differ but we all Indians so don’t hate any one.
Lets Make a better society and better India Jai Hind
I AGREE TO YOU FULLY SIR
S..I agree wit u my frnd….
People speak in different languages, dress differently, follow different religions, eat different food but are of the same temperament.
So whether it is a joyous occasion or a moment of grief, people participate whole-heartedly, feeling the happiness or pain. A festival or a celebration is never constrained to a family or a home. The whole community or neighbourhood is involved in bringing liveliness to an occasion. Even, in times of sorrow, neighbours and friends play an important part in easing out the grief.
Imagine a garden in which u find all d flowers of same kind n same color…do u like tat…no…right…like tat v r all… a garden of flowers of various colours and shades of which, while maintaining their own entity, lend harmony and beauty to the garden – India!JAI HIND….
YES, we are all humanbeings sent to this earth by the Almighty but poor, innocent and illiterate gilrs are tortured in the whole india. pimps are always welcoming them. The pimps dont see 4 directions south, north, east and west. only communicate with the gangs. Here, i have doubt about the existance of God. Silent plan. Eve teaser is caught always but not the pimps. pimps never make noise but an eve-teaser would. This is the difference. They all worship a mother called “DEVI” in india.
here the “devi” “vaishnodevi” or “mataji” all all used as puppets by humanbeings. Its because of my constant observation. Devotion here is a “blanket” used by devils for their own benefit to hide from the so called “law” of india.
เฎ เฎเฎฐเฎฎเฏ เฎคเฏเฎตเฎเฏเฎเฏเฎฎเฏ เฎเฎฎเฏเฎฎเฏเฎดเฎฟเฎฏเฎพเฎฎเฏ
‘เฎด’เฎเฎฐเฎฎเฏ เฎเฏเฎฃเฏเฎ เฎเฎฐเฏ เฎฎเฏเฎดเฎฟเฎฏเฎพเฎฎเฏ
เฎชเฏเฎฎเฎฟเฎฏเฎฟเฎฉเฏ เฎตเฎฏเฎคเฏ เฎเฎตเฎณเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏ
เฎชเฏเฎฑเฎฎเฏ เฎ เฎเฎฎเฏ เฎเฏเฎฉเฏเฎฉ เฎคเฎฟเฎฐเฏเฎตเฎฟเฎณเฎเฏเฎเฏ
เฎเฎฉเฏเฎฉเฎเฎฎเฏ เฎคเฏเฎฒเฏเฎเฏเฎเฏ เฎฎเฎฒเฏเฎฏเฎพเฎณเฎฎเฏ
เฎเฎตเฎณเฏ เฎเฏเฎดเฎฟเฎชเฏเฎชเฎฟเฎฒเฏ เฎชเฎฟเฎฑเฎจเฏเฎค เฎ เฎเฏเฎฏเฎพเฎณเฎฎเฏ
เฎเฏเฎฎเฏเฎฎเฏเฎดเฎฟเฎฏเฎพเฎฉ เฎคเฎฎเฎฟเฎดเฏเฎฎเฏเฎดเฎฟเฎฏเฎพเฎฎเฏ
เฎเฎฎเฏเฎฎเฏเฎดเฎฟเฎฏเฏ เฎตเฎพเฎดเฎฟ เฎคเฎพเฎฏเฏ เฎฎเฏเฎดเฎฟเฎฏเฏ
เฎเฎฉเฏเฎฑเฏ เฎตเฎพเฎดเฏเฎคเฏเฎคเฎพเฎฒเฎฎเฏ เฎตเฎพ !!!!
Thats true. Excellant dude.. I enjoyed it..
ummudaya thamizh paadal emmai mei silirkka vaithadhu. neer ezhuthiya karuthu athunaiyum unmaiyae. ethagaya padalai naan padikka vaaippu alithadharkku mikka nandri. “Itharaniyilae azhiyaa selvamaai nam THAMIZH mozhi vazha virumbum, en peyar THAMIZH SELVAN”,
ummudaya thamizh paadal emmai mei silirkka vaithadhu. neer ezhuthiya karuthu athunaiyum unmaiyae. ethagaya padalai naan padikka vaaippu alithadharkku mikka nandri. โItharaniyilae azhiyaa selvamaai nam THAMIZH mozhi vazha virumbum, en peyar THAMIZH SELVANโ,
are you the same swaminathan who said tamils are arrogant and cunning?
yes all the fingers are not the same. Good and Bad ones. everywhere. The one thing i want to know is “what are we people doing on this earth?” Does God want to tell us that we all are very very “small”? YES!!!!! we are.
TAMIL IS OLDEST LAUNGUAGE………………..
simple. THE TAMIZHAN.
tamil vallga
last night we’re talk this topic
sankrit is not laungage
it’s coming from some where that’s not indian laungage
tamil grammer making from before 5000 year ago
so how long year before we’re talking tamil
just think u guys
the same time u know bumbukar city
still it’s in deep on the sea
that city age b.c 12000 year ago
that side kumari continantial it’s start from austrailya to africa
next time i give the proof
tamil vallga
i support u men
tamil was born 5000 years ago and nobody knows it .
i am just a 15 years old kidtamil valga
Hi friends,
Many readers are trying to show proofs about existence of their languages.
But they are forgetting an important fact that several proofs of Sanskrit may have been destroyed in North India & present day Pakistan by attacks of Sultans, Mughals.
This is not to spread hatred about Muslims. But here is what you don’t know.
You are talking about Aryans. But A ” Recent genetic study shows that all Indians from north or south, are genetics-wise similar” and remember the research was carried out in Hyderabad.
Somnath was very rich probably richest temple before 1000AD, it was attacked 17 times by Sultan Ghazanvi mehmood. And a photograph is available of the same temple in 1869, you please see wikipedia for that photograph. The photograph often puts question as whether this was the very temple which was richest 1000 years back?
Similarly Nalanda had a huge library that had thousands of books. It was burnt by Sultan Khilji. It’s said that the books were burning for several days/ months. So we cannot disagree that thousands of proofs regarding existence of Sanskrit have been destroyed while regarding Tamil they were saved for two reasons
1] 3 sides of South India are covered by Sea.
2] South luckily got great Kings, 1 was Krishna Devaraya and other was Shivaji Maharaj. Marathas were fighting with Aurangzeb for 25 years, if they had not, possibly Mughals could have succeeded in destroying proofs of Dravid Languages also.
Conclusions-
This is not to spread Hatred about Muslims, but please, we have lost proofs about Sanskrit.
Regarding Sanskrit –
1] Don’t say that it is dead language as Bengali and Marathi are there who have 80% Sanskrit.
2] If you are Dravidar Politicians, you may be satisfied by the burning of 10000—- books in Nalanda. But remember Nalanda was a place- the other one was Taxila and Nagarjunasagar in Andhra where people of all castes were given education. All of them vanished before 1100 AD.
Regarding Tamil-
I believe that it is older than any other spoken language of India.
Also since India has great languages like Tamil, Telugu or Bengali-Marathi with their own great literature, I am against of making Hindi alone as a National Language. Aren’t Tamil-Marathi-Telugu representing India? Then why Hindi alone as National Language?
Regarding Hindi- I respect the Language, but I often come across North Indians in Mumbai who say ” Hindi National Language, Marathi nahi to bhi Chalega.” They are refusing official use of Marathi in Maharashtra, which is bad.”
Regarding Tamil older than Sanskrit-
1]Please make Research in Kandhar-Hadappa which was 100% Hindu 2000 years back, so check if there is any proof of Sanskrit/Tamil
2] I think this conclusion is difficult to reach, and IS OF NO USE!!! As ancientness of Sanskrit will never interfere with richness of Tamil, and Tamil lovers have no deal with Sanskrit. Isn’t it?
Also Sanskrit is not forced on Tamils. Sanskrit was used for SHARING Knowledge by scholars from Kashmir to Kottayam. No one had actually threatened any Tamil to speak Sanskrit. Also It is not a Brahmin’s Language. It was known to Shivaji Maharaj & possibly Krishna Devraya. You are misguided by politicians!! There were 1000s of books about Buddhism & Jainism in Sanskrit.
Please reply me at – [email protected]
Hi friends,
it just means that rate at which telugu ppl is more than tamil!!!1control population buddy
!!!!!!
**** ur nomad dad and cork ur mom
hey assH mind ur language.
telugu is a mixture or tamil and sanskrit. the whole world knows it.
If you dono this, then cork all your holes…
how many speak sanskrit, not even a lakh.
Tamiz is the official language of Srilanka, malayasia, indonesia, mauritus, singapore and even inida too… and if you feel like running away wen we speak tamil, u keep running and while running mind to cork all your holes, u MF.
even in china there is a radio channel for tamil and it is “china radio international”, more intrestingly this is owned by chinese itself and not by any settled tamil there.
if u guys speak telugu all the words sounds similar, like dogs barking…
It is my previlege to have been a Tamilian and at the same time it is also my duty to tell this fact.
if kannada is the oldest language then why in the 106 Divyadesam Temples Kannada hymns were not sung?
Why Tamil hymns were sung in these Temples (Including 9 in North India) and not Kannada?
Give me the reason I will agree then.
Telugu is very sweet????? yemi raaaa>…. kuchondiii.. jarugandi.. bull shit.. dont ever compare the sweetness os Tamil with telugu.. The name Tamil itself means sweet.. Telugu sounds like a slummy language to us..
Dude.. u speak as if u have seen ramayana and mahabharatha live.. sanskrit was never an Indian language.. It was derived from Aryans.. stop speaking shit like it s worlds oldest language.. by seeing ur comment other country people may think entire Indians are fools like you..
you guys dont deserve talking about tamil brains when 30% people in NASA are tamilians. Even in India Tamil scients Kalam has proved their talents. Our literacy rate is far high when compared to u north indians.. and while talking about development, please check out north india where still farmers die out of poverty.. walk on streets of delhi and mumbai.. you can find 90% people are uneducated.. so stop speaking shit my dear.. recently a tamilial has recievd noble price.. extra proof..
I was shocked to read Nazi style comments coming from ignorant people like you… (e.g. 90% in north india not being educated, 30% scientists at NASA..)
Economic conditions – ring any bell, you ingnoramus?
Before making ny more comments, learn to appreciate the diversity of many languages and cultures this small world has and how our ancestors reached out to other civilised societies (and vice versa).
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u foolish,,,,,,,,,
Not so funny…. :-(
you mean to say these languages were given awards because they are oldest??????????????????????is the award given to the oldest language??????????????? but remember indian govenrment has only given status of ‘classical’ language to only one language in its history and that is tamil……why did they have to do that and not even consider any other languages for the criteria???????
as said it was a story written and it had mention of places in india so what if i write a story relating to maharashtra delhi and karnataka does it mean it is a true story……ramayana is there in thailand too does that mean there was another version of ramayana happening in bangkok??????
you are funny you golty …………………………….go check again
Do you know about Tamil sangam. Is not in kanchi are else were. It was in Kumari Kandam. The orgin of tamil is from Kumari Kandam. All white peoples are came from Middle East Asia and learn our Tamil.
If tamil is the oldest language why it has not got more Jnanpith award? Here is the list
Year Name Works Language
1965 G Sankara Kurup Odakkuzhal (Flute) Malayalam
1966 Tarashankar Bandopadhyaya Ganadevta Bengali
1967 Kuppali Venkatappagowda Puttappa (Kuvempu) Sri Ramayana Darshanam Kannada
1967 Umashankar Joshi Nishitha Gujarati
1968 Sumitranandan Pant Chidambara Hindi
1969 Firaq Gorakhpuri Gul-e-Naghma Urdu
1970 Viswanatha Satyanarayana Ramayana Kalpavrikshamu (A resourceful tree:Ramayana) Telugu
1971 Bishnu Dey Smriti Satta Bhavishyat Bengali
1972 Ramdhari Singh ‘Dinkar’ Urvashi Hindi
1973 Dattatreya Ramachandra Bendre Nakutanti (Naku Thanthi) (Four Strings) Kannada
1973 Gopinath Mohanty Paraja Oriya
1974 Vishnu Sakharam Khandekar Yayati Marathi
1975 P.V.Akilan Chitttrappavai Tamil
1976 Asha Purna Devi Pratham Pratisruti Bengali
1977 K.Shivaram Karanth Mookajjiya Kanasugalu (Mookajjis dreams) Kannada
1978 Sachchidananda Hirananda Vatsyayan ‘Ajneya’ Kitni Navon Men Kitni Bar (How many times in many boats?) Hindi
1979 Birendra Kumar Bhattacharya Mrityunjay (Immortal) Assamese
1980 S. K. Pottekkatt Oru Desattinte Katha (Story of a land) Malayalam
1981 Amrita Pritam Kagaj te Canvas Punjabi
1982 Mahadevi Varma Yama Hindi
1983 Maasti Venkatesh Ayengar Chikkaveera Rajendra (Life and struggle of Kodava King Chikkaveera Rajendra) Kannada
1984 Thakazhi Sivasankara Pillai Kayar {Coir} Malayalam
1985 Pannalal Patel Maanavi Ni Bhavaai (??????? ????) Gujarati
1986 Sachidananda Rout Roy Oriya
1987 Vishnu Vaman Shirwadkar (Kusumagraj) Natsamrat Marathi
1988 Dr.C. Narayana Reddy Vishwambhara Telugu
1989 Qurratulain Hyder Akhire Shab Ke Humsafar Urdu
1990 V. K. Gokak (Vinayaka Krishna Gokak) Bharatha Sindhu Rashmi Kannada
1991 Subhas Mukhopadhyay Bengali
1992 Naresh Mehta Hindi
1993 Sitakant Mahapatra Oriya
1994 U.R. Ananthamurthy Kannada
1995 M. T. Vasudevan Nair Randamoozham [second chance} Malayalam
1996 Mahasweta Devi Bengali
1997 Ali Sardar Jafri Urdu
1998 Girish Karnad “for his contributions to modern Indian drama”[5] Kannada
1999 Nirmal Verma Hindi
1999 Gurdial Singh Punjabi
2000 Indira Goswami Assamese
2001 Rajendra Keshavlal Shah Gujarati
2002 D. Jayakanthan Tamil
2003 Vinda Karandikar Ashtadarshana (poetry) Marathi
2004 Rahman Rahi Subhuk Soda, Kalami Rahi and Siyah Rode Jaren Manz Kashmiri [6]
2005 Kunwar Narayan Hindi[3]
2006 Ravindra Kelekar Konkani[3]
2006 Satya Vrat Shastri Sanskrit[4][7
Find out how many are their for tamil?
Hello dude have you ever seen a tamil words and kannada tamil is all inverse which look like jelabi that is what it is called and dont tell it the orgin of all south indian please have some sense and talk. Tamil words look like jelabi all same and impossible to identify which is what. Might be tamil and malayalam has thier similar origin but not any other as you speak telugu please avoid this
its very easy to make a murukku but not jalebi, so it proves how much hardwork ancient tamizhian showed towards making this language. Yes our tamizh is jalebi…lots of twists and turns.
Hello Fist of all I do know that sanskrit is the oldest language known ny Indian.. Now where did this topic of dravidian and aryans drop in I really dont know. But as you said that all South Indians have similarities with tamil. This is too much. you love your language like evryone does that doesnt mean it is corelated with all south indian language.
Well to tell you fact its not true. In south many languages exist tamil telugu kannada malyalam and many more. But too the fact if you consider the talkign and writing not each of them are any way interelated but similarites are their in the words like tamil and malyalam and telugu and kannada. But Tamilians are so stcuk to thier language they wotn even speak our national language Hindi. Please do try to learn this language first reqpect this one and then tell tamil language is the oldest. And to tell you no other language ahs got the Jnanpith Award more than any language but in Kannada not even hindi .kannada has got 7 and hindi has got 6 Jnanpith award. So please do respect our national language and continue a healthy topic but baseless one who even dont know any origin but heard and read in books.
Letโs respect all the languagesโฆโฆ.I hope most of us donโt really accept that god is the origin of life.I am sure he is the origin of all.So all our languages have been created by almighty.Every language has itโs unique speciality.Instead of fighting foolishly,letโs explore our own language and contribute something that is possible from us.
dude chennai and singapore are nations and for your information tamil is one of the official languages of singapore….a nations developement in recent years has no attributes to its language even if you beg to differ more than 30% of singapore population is tamil…and once again tamil is a language and singapore is a nation hahahah dude stop confusing yourself and be damn sure tamil is one of the oldset languages on earth…..and economical development dosent attribute to lungual expertise….stop making a fool of yourself
I never said that Ravana is aryan, I said Ravana was Tamil Brahman. If we talk about Ramayana even you don’t have enough evidence to say it’s epic story. If you think geographically it can be proved we can see many places while traveling across India which matches to Ramayan (Ayodhya, Nasik, Panchvati, Kishkinde, Rameshwaram, Ram Setu, Lankha, Sanjeevani parvatha )If Ramayana has to prove with evidence have you ever tried know what happen to evidence. you have to go through history right from first ISLAM attack on Bharatha.
Having believe Ramayana is real story is better than it is epic story.
Stop thinking from blind Karunanidhi theory.
I respect scienceblog website please don’t divert topic this will be my last reply to this topic
ramayana is a work of art and not something that happened in real life…so how can facts from an artowork be considered as a proof of real life…taking facts from ramayana is similar to takign facts from a fairy tale…so you are wrong
buddy you dont name a language and then talk it you talk in a language and later you frame a name for it….dont confuse yourself
please please do not confuse ramayana with real life …ramayana is an epic ..meaning only a work of art and not something that happened in real…so how can somehting written in the form of a poem or textual writing which didnt happen in real life hold proof for anything….even if it were real as far as i know ravana was a king himself and didnt belong to the aryan cast and he knew vedas which is not a conclusion for him being a brhamin…and more over there is no point is taking someone from a story and giving proof with it…if i had it your way then sharukh is living his second life coz he was reborn in the movie om shanthi om…its the same buddy u cant take movies as a proof for a living person so its the smae in case of epics too..only thing is ramayana is an epic held in high respect among hindus so u might feel a little bad on me telling it is not true but it is the fact i also respect the book and keep it in high respect but the fact is its jus an epic and not real so dont confuse yourself
regarding the argument of the oldest language on earth the fact is there is no conclusion as of yet and please for your information both Ramayana and Mahabaratha are epics not a biography. epic meaning not something that happened it is like a story to get it more simple like the small moral stories we tell young kids as to how the crow threw stones in a pot to get the water higher and so on , similarly these epics are moral stories for bigger people…so your arguments saying ravana lanka those people hateing white tamils…black tamils…all those stories are baseless…..and also trueis that the oldest tamil literature ‘tholkapiyam’ whiich is yet to be dated hence answering the question of tamil language and how old it is….and stop trying to prove facts with ramayana and mahabaratha as there are mere moral stories……a language is dated based on its literary works and the references in them and the material type of inscription style and a lot more…..so far carbon dating method has concluded there are 3 languages that might be the oldest but they are not sure which one and how ol the languages are chienese(cantonese) , hebrew and tamil…..and one more thing iyers are from aryan civilisation and tamils are from dravidian so there is no such thing as tamil iyers telling someone tamil iyer is like saying tht car is maruthi indica…both are different…..so the question remains unanswered all we have is a group of possible answers but one thing is for sure sanskirt , telugu and other indian languages excepting tamil can be ruled out and so can western languages and greeks too…..most likely the answer will be from an aisan or middle easter nation.
people still love to live in stupor.
well u said “cunning & willy brahmins”, then what about the British and the M-Crusaders who invaded ruled and ruined India ?
ppl speak with reverence & respect about these recent invaders who taught them what they wanted them to learn.
ppl are speaking about “cunning & willy brahmins” and ‘Aryans’ about whose invasion there is lot of controversy. Aryans , as per some came about 3500 years ago, which again is totally a controversial and debateable topic. Thsi is what recent researches & studies show.
“As can be expected, most of those who were great proponents of the Aryan invasion theory were often ardent English and German nationalists, or Christians, ready and willing to bring about the desecration of anything that was non-Christian or non-European. Even Max Muller believed in the Christian chronology, that the world was created at 9:00 AM on October 23, 4004 B.C. and the great flood occurred in 2500 B.C. Thus, it was impossible to give a date for the Aryan invasion earlier than 1500 B.C. After all, accepting the Christian time frame would force them to eliminate all other evidence and possibilities, so what else could they do? So, even this date for the Aryan invasion was based on speculation.
In this way, the Aryan invasion theory was created to make it appear that Indian culture and philosophy was dependent on the previous developments in Europe, thereby justifying the need for colonial rule and Christian expansion in India. This was also the purpose of the study of Sanskrit, such as at Oxford University in England, as indicated by Colonel Boden who sponsored the program. He stated that they should โpromote Sanskrit learning among the English, so as โto enable his countrymen to proceed in the conversion of the natives of India to the Christian religion.โโ
This above paragraphs are from western Indologists only(Stephen-Knapp). The link is provided below.
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/death_of_the_aryan_invasion_theory.htm
http://www.indianetzone.com/6/promotion_western_education_british_india..htm
http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley.html
http://www.archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/aryan-invasion-history.html
http://www.hindubooks.org/david_frawley/myth_aryan_invasion/
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/ait/
http://www.google.co.in/search?q=Aryan+Invasion&hl=en&tbs=tl:1&tbo=u&ei=cy7TSseRHZjQ6gPwkfnwAQ&sa=X&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=15&ved=0CCgQ5wIwDg
No one , no history/histirian can claim with 100% assurance/accuracy that there was an Aryan invasion…still people love to hate them and rever the more recent and acclaimed, invaders who tortured these people through out their reign.
ppl believe what these recent invaders wanted them to believe thru their twisted history.
ppl simply love to live and nurture in dreams, stupor,utopia and myth at the cost of fellow Indians.
Anyway keep it up……
be where u are let the outsiders take advantage of these half baked knowledgable ppl.
carry on.
Hey Bharatiya,
First of all, don’t get influenced by the Aryan Invasion Theory or “Divide n Rule” policy of Aryan & Dravidians, which was very cunningly embedded into our education,thought and culture by the Europeans like Max Muller, Macaulay, etc.
http://www.indianetzone.com/6/promotion_western_education_british_india..htm
They wanted to prove that India was always dominated or ruled by outsiders or invaders and hence Indians like to be ruled. They wanted this to develop a servile psychology in the minds of Indians. Okay, I am diverting a bit from the subject, u can get these materials from lot of books,googling and websites by more modern Indologists. There are lot of recent research showing the Aryan invasion as a hoax/lie.
One of the eminent writer is David Frawley.
Coming to languages….Rishi Agastyar under the guidance of Lord Shiva formulated Tamil. Rishi Agastyar knew/spoke sanskrit too. Please forget the 1500BC date, thats an obsolete theory.
please go through recent studies even by some South Indian eminent historians regarding the myth of Aryan Invasion before commenting and diving us the Indians into Aryans and Dravidians again.Also if you know how to google u can get articles from foreign Indologists too who deny the Aryan Invasion.
You all can go through books by David Frawley too.
As can be expected, most of those who were great proponents of the Aryan invasion theory were often ardent English and German nationalists, or Christians, ready and willing to bring about the desecration of anything that was non-Christian or non-European. Even Max Muller believed in the Christian chronology, that the world was created at 9:00 AM on October 23, 4004 B.C. and the great flood occurred in 2500 B.C. Thus, it was impossible to give a date for the Aryan invasion earlier than 1500 B.C. After all, accepting the Christian time frame would force them to eliminate all other evidence and possibilities, so what else could they do? So, even this date for the Aryan invasion was based on speculation.
In this way, the Aryan invasion theory was created to make it appear that Indian culture and philosophy was dependent on the previous developments in Europe, thereby justifying the need for colonial rule and Christian expansion in India. This was also the purpose of the study of Sanskrit, such as at Oxford University in England, as indicated by Colonel Boden who sponsored the program. He stated that they should โpromote Sanskrit learning among the English, so as โto enable his countrymen to proceed in the conversion of the natives of India to the Christian religion.โโ
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/death_of_the_aryan_invasion_theory.htm
http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley.html
http://www.archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/aryan-invasion-history.html
http://www.hindubooks.org/david_frawley/myth_aryan_invasion/
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/ait/
http://www.google.co.in/search?q=Aryan+Invasion&hl=en&tbs=tl:1&tbo=u&ei=cy7TSseRHZjQ6gPwkfnwAQ&sa=X&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=15&ved=0CCgQ5wIwDg
…”India as the world believe does not mean unity in diversity, which has been used against them efficiently by their neighbours pakistan and china”
it is absolutely true…..and this is also proved by history.
There was always this disharmony and treachery which helped the invasions from North-West starting from Alexander when petty kings used to fight against each other….again the Rajputs internal feuds and jealousy which paved the way and
invited the Ghoris, Ghaznis, etc….to India.
In South India they were no less too in showing disunity…
the Pandyas, Cholas, Cheras, etc all these great dynasties had to bit the dust due to their mutual jealousies and treachories which resulted in the shifting of power to foreigners.
This cheap and foolish nature is still proudly retained by Indians and so they are always easy prey to the neighbouring countries.
I have made a lot of friends, mostly Tamilians.
Despite the Tamilians being passionate about their culture I didnt find any Tamilian friend of mine till now, who spoke ill of any other part of India. Ofcourse I am speaking of the educated mass of Tamilians.
By now Indians should get aware that in these debate columns, it is not necessary that the usernames are true.
There are certain faction from the neighbouring Countries in the internet world, who takes utmost care to check that the indians should be kept fools and petty disputes between them should be nurtured so that the diversity increases.
Intellectual cyber war has started, arise awake n realise.
BUT to the utter folly of the mass Indians they never realise this, even their past experiences seem to have gone to oblivion.
Saraswati Civilization didnt start with faith…. just like any other civilization it started with written records, then research, just like the under water Dwarka, discovered very recently in the late 90s, earlier it was justa a written record.
http://www.gisdevelopment.net/application/archaeology/site/archs0001.htm
“Climatic change and neotectonic movements have led to migration and abandonment of several rivers and drainage systems. Some of them are โlostโ because of the overburden of silt. But several evidences left by them usually help in proving the existence of a geomorphic feature in a particular location, which attract the attention of the interested people to discover the past. In India, the river Saraswati reflects such a fascinating history, supported by geological, hydrological and archaeological evidences as well as the records of the most modern tools, such as remote sensing and GIS. With the aid of remote sensing through orbiting satellites, the mystery of the river is more or less solved”
….For 2000 years, between 6000 and 4000 B.C., the Saraswati flowed as a great river. R. D. Oldham (1886) was the first geologist who argued logically pointing to the great changes in the drainage pattern of the rivers of Punjab and western Rajasthan converting a once fertile region into a desert…..
As technologies and studies are upgrading so should our mind…
Regarding the first language its very difficult to conclude, as languages in the beginning were sign languages which slowly evolved into more sophistication thru sounds..
Sanskrit & Tamil are the 2 eyes of India. Indians should be proud of with what they have rather than fight amongst themselves to prove which one is older.
Rather why dont we look outside and see what are the other older languages which claims to be the oldest and try to reason out whether they are or we are…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythical_origins_of_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_first_written_accounts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Human_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language
Anyway history repeats itself and Indians, as usual with their ‘wisdom’ will and are falling prey to their neighbours who can capitalize from this so called ‘United Indians’.
History has shown the Indians that in North the Rajputs used to fight amongst themselves paving the way for the invaders, in South the Cholas,Cheras,Pandyas, Chalukyas were no less in exhibiting their ‘unity and wisdom’ so niether they were spared.
Now this ‘Unity’ has taken a greater form…. North India, South India, Marathi Rajya…. more separatist to come…..
In my childhood I had read a story either from Panchatantra/Jataka/Aesop fables(I dnt remember).
It was about how 2 Dogs were fighting for the larger piece of some foodstuff and how a cunning Monkey (3rd party) who keeping them engaged in their quarrel escaped with the entire foodstuff.
:-)
So, can we invite the (Monkey) invaders, neighbours… to enjoy the ‘Wise Indians’ ?
already we have almost a similar situation with Kashmir..Monkeys are waiting…. :-)
Jai Bharat.
May be your foot is itching and time to consult a doctor.
TAMIL HAS TO BE THE OLDEST – proof; I
Inscriptions in Tamil Language from 1st century BCE and 2nd century CE have been
discovered in Egypt and Thailand. The first two ancient manuscripts from India,
to be acknowledged and registered by UNESCO Memory of the World register in 1997 & 2005 were in Tamil.
Hi I am the one who wrote the above article
The experts predict the era of Ramayana was above 5000 years. If i am not wrong i heard the great king Ravana was Brahman & Astrologist. Even Rama went Ravana to ask him to set auspicious date and time to start war on ravan him self. As Brahman he had due responsible and he set the auspicious date and time for Ram. That proves there was Tamil Brahman Exist. I have lot to Share about cast & Brahmans but any thing more the this can divert th topic so that’s it for now.
Please correct me if I am wrong
I know both sanskrit and tamil but one has nothing to do with the other. Hindi and other north Indian languages are similar to Sanskrit and that proves that most of the north indians are Aryans. And Tamil is spoken by Tamil people and all the south Indian languages have similarities with Tamil. so Dravidians are the native Indians whose manuscripts goes beyond 3000BC. you arayans cam from else where go back to your own place leave my country.
You Bleady North indian the oldest language in world is Sanskrit. but till now there no evidence for the orgin of tamil, now you only tell which one is oldest language in the world.
The earliest epigraphic records found date from around the third century BCE.[8] The earliest period of Tamil literature, Sangam literature, is dated from the 300 BCE โ 300 CE.[9][10] Inscriptions in Tamil Language from 1st century BCE and 2nd century CE have been discovered in Egypt and Thailand. From 3BC ( Before Christ ) You North indian ( Arayans / Brahmins ) are not in my dravida country itself . you Arayan people came and made stroyes as dravidans as raksha and arayans as devas . actually the arayans are cunning and not helpfull to any one of the neighbours , we are not like that we will help to unknown people also that why all are cheated by everybody. Now you look every where we south indian is ruling the india you north indian sucks.
actually if you want to know about Brahmins means you must Read The king Veera Shivaji Life stroy.
Tamil kings in the south successfully resisted Aryan invasion for many centuries
The Brahmans, the wily priestly caste people of the Aryan Hindus, decided to quell the Tamil resistance through a cunning mixture of spirituality
The Aryan invasion is said to have occurred in India 3,500 years ago around 1500 BC
Recorded Tamil history and literature is itself more than 2,500 years old.
The Tamil language is dated to be several millenniums old.
Tamil is the language of the Black people and is considered as the oldest language
But the Aryan caste of Brahmans are present in Tamil Nadu.
The above phenomena is peculiar to the region of Tamil Nadu where the Dravidians have been pitted against fellow Dravidians by the cunning and wily Brahmans who spearhead the Hindu caste religion
Pre-historic Kanchipuram might have been occupied as early as the Stone Ages as per evidence
Iyers are the descendants of Indo-Aryan migrants from Central Asia.
However, genetic researches have found lot of difference in genetic patterns with the rest of the Tamil populace.
Their entry into tamilland after the entry of Namboothiris in Tamilland, the later was well documented in Catholic syrian Churches.
So their entry into Tamilland during Raja Raja Chola period around 10th century AD.
One can also find these groups concentrated still in Tanjore area
LOONY…………….
Hi I am the one who wrote the above article
The experts predict the era of Ramayana was above 5000 years. If i am not wrong i heard the great king Ravana was Brahman & Astrologist. Even Rama went Ravana to ask him to set auspicious date and time to start war on ravan him self. As Brahman he had due responsible and he set the auspicious date and time for Ram. That proves there was Tamil Brahman Exist. I have lot to Share about cast & Brahmans but any thing more the this can divert th topic so that’s it for now.
Please correct me if I am wrong
Tamil kings in the south successfully resisted Aryan invasion for many centuries
The Brahmans, the wily priestly caste people of the Aryan Hindus, decided to quell the Tamil resistance through a cunning mixture of spirituality
The Aryan invasion is said to have occurred in India 3,500 years ago around 1500 BC
Recorded Tamil history and literature is itself more than 2,500 years old.
The Tamil language is dated to be several millenniums old.
Tamil is the language of the Black people and is considered as the oldest language
But the Aryan caste of Brahmans are present in Tamil Nadu.
The above phenomena is peculiar to the region of Tamil Nadu where the Dravidians have been pitted against fellow Dravidians by the cunning and wily Brahmans who spearhead the Hindu caste religion
Pre-historic Kanchipuram might have been occupied as early as the Stone Ages as per evidence
Iyers are the descendants of Indo-Aryan migrants from Central Asia.
However, genetic researches have found lot of difference in genetic patterns with the rest of the Tamil populace.
Their entry into tamilland after the entry of Namboothiris in Tamilland, the later was well documented in Catholic syrian Churches.
So their entry into Tamilland during Raja Raja Chola period around 10th century AD.
One can also find these groups concentrated still in Tanjore area
Telugu is classical language not Tamil. Sanskrit is oldest. Telugu was derived from sanskrit. Tamils thought If they keep Telugu in dravidian group, their value will increase. Thatswhy they pictured Telugu as Dravidian language while Telugu is Aryan Language. Basically, Andhras are Aryan tribes.
Tamil should be shameful to tamper with the History since telugu has few dravidian loan words. If you see more than 70% of Telugu’s Vocabulary is Indo-Aryan. Even if they tamper with the history, in Andhra we just think Telugu is derived from sanskrit and we call tamil Arava.
If Tamil is oldest, why are they minorities? why hasnt Tamil managed to become cultured language like Sanskrit if it was very old?
I am that kind of a telugoid living in Tamil Nadu , I consider myself a Tamil only
Most of the Telugus in Tamilnadu does not have any liking towards their mother tongue. They want to learn only Tamil. Politicians for their benefit totally eradicated Hindi in TN. Everyone knows Vaiko, Vijaykant are Telugus but they pose as if their mother tongue is Tamil. I am in TN but I don’t hate Hindi. First we should respect all languages. Everyone will like their mother tongue. But in TN only I see even Andhrites who have settled here speak Tamil in their houses and forget their own language. If Srilankan Tamils are Tamils then why can’t Telugus who migrated just at the time of Sri Krishana Devaraya are Telugus? Srilnkan Tamils migrated before 1000 years and Telugus just before 350 years. No one can deny that TN was ruled by Telugu kings (Telugu chola, Nayakaraajulu). The great carnatic musicians Thyagaraju and others are Telugus who came to TN. But Telugus don’t know their value and the value of their mother tongue. Anyone can speak Tamil in TN outside their house. Why shouldn’t they speak their own mother tongue in their house? Do you know? In Hyderabad you have school where you can learn Tamil if you want to choose? In Coimbatore where most institutions are run by Telugus you don’t have the option to learn Telugu? Why is this? World is big. If you learn many languages it is always good. You should respect every language. No one can deny Telugu is the sweetest among Indian languages. Sanskrit is God’s language. My mother tongue is Telugu. Tamilains shouldn’t force their ideas on others. Their language may be ancient. But they should respect all other languages. Don’t they eat chappathi? They call us goldy and forget that rice and all edible items come from Andhra. They speak so bad that as if the migrants from Andhra came bec’ of famine. That is not true. Migrants came as administrators. Can they realise Veere Pandiya Katta Bhoomu is Telugu and not Tamil? His mother tongue is Telugu and he bravely bought British? GD Naidu is Telugu. Even Coimbatore was founded by Telugus. In Hyderabad many Tamilians are there. We don’t call them with names which will derespect them. We don’t tell as if they came to avoid famine. This is India. Why north Indians are to be treated as Aryans and should go back? Everyone should be given place to live. Do you think Muslims are also our brothers? All Muslims are not terrorists. First every human being should respect the other human being irrespective of language, religion.
When you put the infected fish into the pond so clear all the fishes in the pond would get infected. Thats what happend to our indian (indus) culture, the day the aryans entered all the debate, conversations, fight, the partition of india everthing happend.
Muslims in general does not pose upon anyone to follow their religion and language. Muslims are made as the enemies of india just becos of the rumours of aryans since ages. The aryans wanted to rule india and they could not tolerate the muslim invasion in india.
A muslim is known as one who belongs to the terrorist group because of aryans (brahmins). The history has the proof.
We should know first of all how to be human. We hate each other because our Gods are different.
hey man stop ur nonsense
I know both sanskrit and tamil but one has nothing to do with the other. Hindi and other north Indian languages are similar to Sanskrit and that proves that most of the north indians are Aryans. And Tamil is spoken by Tamil people and all the south Indian languages have similarities with Tamil. so Dravidians are the native Indians whose manuscripts goes beyond 3000BC.
exactly go join LTTE and form your own country you moron
first of all you should understand anonymous, LTTE (i am writing in capital letters) was struggling to have their land and property back to live a peaceful life and they were against only the crooked sinhalese not against anyone. Muslims are also living in srilanka. You should give importance to their real sufferings. Who will fight? Would ever gujaratis or telugus fight for them? Leave it, all would understand the real problems only when they would be in their place. If unknown people ever rule tamizhnadu and snatch our rights what would we do here? We in tamizhnadu are supporting all the culture. Sinhalese are basically heartless, they would never give their seats to be captured. The seats do not belong to them in reality. once gone..gone forever… what about rights? i dont think they would ever give. Ek bihaari sau bimaari…i used to hear this slogan thousand times in delhi. I dont know what they are in reality i have not explored them but they always choose short cut methods to grow. Illegal certificates are issued to them to get education and jobs. There are good bihaari students too and very very honest too but i always listened negative comments about them. I dont know why. If a tamizhan go and capture some other country and rule them then also i would say they are doing illegal activities. I am not dying for tamizhan but for only NATURE. Honesty is the best policy.
Ya a Few Facts? More like a few Legends.
hey u know who written ramayana (kambar) he s an tamilan and he wrote in sanskrit then how sans is old language got it wat i am telling ah
Hi, I suggest you to go through THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF BRITANICA, it will do good for you to enrich your knowledge cheers
hello kannada is niether derived from tamil nor from sanskrit, it is independent like both tamil and sanskrit, may few words have been used by people which were taken from sanskrit and tamil, one can say that very easily if you are in bangalore , people who are born here doesnt know bout few words whether they are kannada or tamil,
I agree that tamil is older than kannada, but kannada has got its own status.
and telugu is derived from kannada, tamil and sanskrit, in which telugu has got much more influence of kannada, script of telugu and kannada are almost similar, those who can read one read kannada can read telugu and wise versa, so telugu is not derived from tamil, any fool can easily say that telugu is derived from kannada.
Tamil literature has existed for over two thousand years.[7] The earliest epigraphic records found date from around the third century BCE.[8] The earliest period of Tamil literature, Sangam literature, is dated from the 300 BCE โ 300 CE.[9][10] Inscriptions in Tamil Language from 1st century BCE and 2nd century CE have been discovered in Egypt and Thailand.[11][12] The first two ancient manuscripts from India
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telegu did derive from tamil… but i’ll tell u what happened in the past……
sanskrit started to get influenced in the language.
and hence the present day telegu… has a 60% mixture of sanskrit. sadly the purity of telugu was lost due to sanskrit influence. since tamilians realised this. we started the anti hindi agitation for prevention of sanskrit into our language.
now according to my facts. telugu is most influenced by sanskrit (60%)very sad, followed by kannada, and malayalam. tamil is the last, luckily we got only 2% mixture.
IMO tamil>telugu and kannada>sanskrit in india in ancient times…. malayalam is a language that is a mixture of different languages, mailny 50% from tamil… or rather call malayalam as a creole.
then wat about aryans? primates huh? wen u guys are naked we created a club to spread tamil….tat much advanced we are………… not fools u primates
Only one question Mr. Jaiganesh
WHo named Tamil Language as Tamil ?
History says the oldest city in India is Kashi & almost equally Shiva Kanchi not even Bhagyanagar, Madurai, Hampi, Hastinapur, Prayag, Hiranyaksha Nagari. (now its Multan). Every civilisations is taken birth in bank of river its proven. Kashi is in river bank of Ganga. for Kanchi it was Kaveri river it use to go through Kanchi join sea some ware in Andra Pradesh . Now its been diverted to other route which ends Pondicherry. so there is no chance for any king or kingdom to survive apart from this earlier route. We can find only Kanchi through out the route. Ancient Kanchi was populated by Tamil Iyers & handful non Iyer Tamilians, only to serve the Iyers. This Iyers ware brilliant they enlighten by Brahma Gyan they made Tamil calender . white Tamils are different form black Tamils in there culture. so where dose the black people come from how did they become the majority the Tamils? . There are tow different roots for Tamil one which born in India the other one from Lanka. Poulstya the family of Ravana they made the Lankan Tamil. This black Tamils are natural Islanders form Lanka. If the man starts eat different kind of food & move into different region then only his younger generations get change by skin tone & body built. Black Tamils has struck up in Lanka for long years. After Ram defeating Raavana the bridge wasn’t destroyed those black people traveled a crossed bridge find the place in Madurai. And they stared Dominating & Crucifying Sri Vaishnava. Lankans they always against Sri Hari & did the same in India after get settled, its how these two Tamils get merged. Few Malayalam people clam that Tamil has made from Malayali (what we now). Later thy realised that there are very less words from Sanskrit then they made correction of Tamil & called Malayalam. Even if Listening to Hale Kannada & Telugu its not related to Tamil as it’s relates to Sanskrit. There ware 64 kingdom at the time of Mahabharata they have mention all 64 kingdom in t hat we can find Malayala on ware we can find Tamil in it. Tamils says Islam never attack Tamil Nabu but its saved by Shivaji &Shahaji twice. Tamils will never aspect Predictions &
never Agree with evidence against Tamil.
If i start saying we are all brothers….
and some Tamil will interpret & says we Tamil are big brothers
The oldest language can be identify by Person Qualities, Cultured & Respecting others
If any Hindu refuses or Ignore Geeta written Samskrutha…. He can’t be proud of Hindu
it looks like a comment of a proud who argue india to b the best , sanskrit to be the richest without any fact or evidence….its a nonsense…
thambi you are silly guy ..doesn’t know anything about tamil….
Nasa have sent the top oldest languages to universe to analysing anybody is there moon or different planet. the top first language is english ..because americans belongs to english and the top second language is tamil only…. north indian people came from some other european countries and dominating us. they didn’t exist sanskirt, hindi, etc…..so don’t create a scene. you can through out…whenever…. because china and pakistan is near to you north indians only…beware of them …..because china has thought to claim war on india….first destroy is north only…..have a look….
So join LTTE and fight for it. Some Rajapkshe will cleanse you out and
Dude just remember one thing .. Don’t count based on number.. do remember lions are always smaller in number …
The oldest book of tamil is ” Tholkapiyam”. It is about 5000yrs old. So imagine a book was written 5000yrs back, then you can wonder how much before the language would have appeared and fine tuned and then a full fledged language and then a book was written.
People believe in Ramayana. Raman fought with Ravana. Ravana is a TAMIL king ruled over Srilanka. But people deny that tamilians do not have the rights to fight. If you look at the history, There was a continent called ” LAMURIA” It clubs AFRICA, ASIA and other continents as well. Later due to geographical changes, like the one happened recently ” TSUNAMI” the land was split and formed different continent. Later, similar changes has happened a small portion of land was submerged underwater. You still find the ” PAGODAS” and ” A great Olden days CITY which had trade with Greeks called POOMBUHAR” is still under water. At this point of time the land was split and became a small Island called ceylon.
Ashoka the great spread bhudhism to srilanka until then there was no religion as such. Because, In the language of TAMIL there is GOD But it considered the NATURE as GOD. That is how budhism spread to srilanka. Today the singhala have grown in large numbers, which means they cannot say it is their land. Can any one agree that INDIA belongs to the BRITISH. It is the British ruled the country for 300yrs, so it will not become theirs. Similary since the singhala rule srilanka they cannot deny the rights of the ethnics.
Please analyse, If you look at the world history TAMIL has very very rich literature.
Tamil has taught the world the art of living like yoga (PATANJALI)
Tamil gave the world the origin of medicine through sidha when it went to the north it became ayurveda.
Tamil has given to this world the martial art called “varma”. A Tamil rishi (bodhi dharma) who travelled to china was able to cure the broken limb of the chinese king. He then gave him the SHOLIN mountain and practice the art. thats how kung fu came from varma.
Tamils had a very large Navy in the 9th century AD. They have conqurered the indonesian Islands like JAVA, BRUNEI, SUMITRA, ETC. It also included malaysia, thailand, vietnam. That’s the reason even now in Indonesia and in thailand they celebrate the Aadi and other hindu festival.
The great Tamil king Cholan conquered the whole of India and brought huge rocks from the himalayas and built the Thanjavur pragadeshwar temple. The single rock weighs about 80tons which is elevated at the top of the gopuram.
Another chola king Built the world’s first Dam across Cauvery. You could still find this Dam.
Tamils were sea faring people who had good trade with the Romans and the Greeks.
The Major ocupation of the people were trade, farming and weaving. This will tell you how civilised they were.
They had a well cherished art like Music and Dance. The great Carnatic ( means thennattus sangeetham) Music was originated in Tamil Nadu.
Another Important think is that None of the Mughals captured the Tamil kingdom.
As said The historians did not record the History properly. The First ever Freedom Movement started in the 17th century against the British were the Tamil king VEERA PANDIYA KATTABOMMAN. Followed by many other kings and queens have fought the british. .. It goes on and on….
might as well ask, who made us? ,, or how the hell did we evolve, the first human baby that evolved? because without the brain capability to invent ……. etc etc… language wouldnt exist
again, regarding this matter, there is no such thing as the truth, or “the answer”
only perceptions …. even with “proof” (which is also a perception) but in this case, more like assumptions…… the only way to know for real… is if there was a time machine, and you actually went back to the exact time when…………………….. *sigh* …… whats the point? lol
we should focus on how to maximize gains from what has been invented.. in this case , language….just playing with my thoughts, i believe… in the far future (could be in millions of years), language (means of communication) would include less speech (and not more body either) as “human” beings would evolve to have more instrinsic knowledge and a more perfected logic… so we’ll be able to “understand” each other more and faster with less “communication” ……. i guess to be precise we’re talking about speed……… like wat computers are capable of…. but humans are just more complex and “ABLE”…. but yeah.. thats what i think of the future…… i wish humans could be like that now tho haha…. im tired of having to explain stuff to people …. imagine, all of us here only need to write a single symbol or something and we would all understand each other… … this whole page would look real empty tho lol….
this is subjective… like any other opinion…so its open to debate….. but really everybody… debate over the oldest language is pointless… maybe nice to know…
Your statement was -”Tamil and Telugu are from the same family of languages i.e. dravidian and for your information Telugu did not derive for Tamil.”
How did you conclude that Tamil and Telugu are from the same family of languages?
Yes Brains outdated for us… because of the Aryan invasion as Bhramins….
Aryan invation theory has been prooved to be wrong..
the concept that aryans came in india from central asia is wrong. it was coined by Europians to show that they are supreme in all sences, they wanted to say that indians could not have written the Great Vedas and Puranas.
Now if Tamil or Sanskrit is old.. they both derive from same ancestors..
If there is any person who knows both language will tell u that Both VedicSanskrit and Tamil have most of the words same in origin..
Sankrit language which is not the origin of all Indian languages. Yes it is to the Indo Aryan languages like Hindi and punjabi but not to the indgenious Languages like Tamil a mother of all other languages like Malayalm ,Telugu Kannadam and etc,,,,
Many people will say that Sankskrit was used for writing religious stuffs and etc.. but we all have to understand that the creators of the sanskrit are the Aryans who were intruders to the Indian soil and the illiterate Aryans learnt the arts and lit frm the Dravdians of the indus valley the oldest civilisation ,who spoke the native language Tamil.
Then after the Aryans fabricated Hinduism and and forced their created Sanskrit and stuff like the caste system in Hinduism, these are well known facts, the birth of sanskrit is only during the 1500bc after the arrival of the Aryans.
The birth of Tamil Language is unknown but one of the earliest text is even dating back 5000bc, which clearly speaks for itself,Tamil as the OLDEST LANGUAGE
by,
jaiganesh
if tamil is so old why tamil people are the biggest ass holes
Telugu is not derived from Tamil, 99.9 % of telugu words are exactly same as Sanskrit, but later few words are taken from Tamil, Tamil also adopted few words from telugu. Telugu is the most nearest language of Sanskrit. No where tamil maps with telugu.
Tamil derived from telegu , he he he he he , it is the biggest commedy i have every heard buddy . There is a commedy from vivek ” if you add loo to all tamil words you can speak telegu very well ” . Even i used to follow the same technique when i travel to andhra .
Very well said..
At first Telugu is derived from Tamil only, because most of the telugu words were similar to Tamil, after only Aryans came and done the changes in telugu by mixed the sanskrit words…..
Hi.. Thanks for this informative article. I really liked it. I also came across this similar site with nice articles and videos on vedic prinicples – http://www.vichaar.tv
Thanks buddy… for proving that tamil nadu is being ruled by telugu people… that’s why tamil nadu is still like this…. actually, they cant do anything but building the world famous temples thirupathi, periya kovil and great buildings like grand anticut(kallanai) and only can become people like abdul kalam ji, sir c v raman, ar rahman, viswanathan anand,
m s swaminathan, m s subbulakhmi,.. and so pity, they are in such a disperate condition where ruled by other people, sinhalese in srilanka, telugu in tamil nadu… you are very right my friend… thanks again…
Boss, are you judging based on Mahabaratha and ramanyana ? … dude, come on wake up, as though mahabaratha and ramanyana was written in some other planet and came to earth and then translated. if sanskrit for Mahabaratha & ramayana , then Thirukurral is for Tamil which dated twice the century stated by you.
Tamil oldest my foot. You can even write my name Daya and my daughters name Bharati in Tamil properly and you are talking about languages. You Tamil’s always exaggerate in everything. Whether oldest or not please compare Chennai and Singapore and see the difference. Tamil the oldest? but I dont undertsand why it took so long for you to develop. Maybe the brains are outdated?
Please be noted that Sanskrit is much older than Tamil as Tamil started in 250 BC whereas the Vedas which was written in Sanskrit is from 1300BC. Tamil and Telugu are from the same family of languages i.e. dravidian and for your information Telugu did not derive for Tamil. Both Mahabaratha and Ramayana are written in Sanskrit and was later only translated into other languages.
Dear friends., ????
I proud to say .. i am a Tamilan. tamil my heartbeats.we are just 66 millions but we never forget our mother and mother tamil. if u reach my area you should speak tamil . you atleast speak tamil after one year or …
Tamil History
“The Tamil Language is the official language of the State of Tamil Nadu (population over 48 million) in southeast India and is also spoken by some 4 million people living in Sri Lanka, Burma, Malaysia, Indonesia, as well as parts of east and south Africa and islands in the Indian Ocean, the South Pacific and the Caribbean.
There is a scholarly literature in Tamil dating back to the early centuries of the Christian era. The language is of Dravidian origin. The Dravidians were the founders of one of the world’s most ancient civilizations, which already existed in India sometime before 1000 BC when the Aryans invaded the sub-continent from the north.
The Aryans, who spoke the Sanskrit language, pushed the Dravidians down into south India. Today 8 of the languages of northern and western India (including Hindi) are of Sanskrit origin, but Sanskrit itself is only spoken by Hindu Brahman priests in temple worship and by scholars. In southern India, 4 languages of Dravidian origin are spoken today. Tamil is the oldest of these.
The History of Tamil Nadu begins with the 3 kingdoms, Chera, Chola and Pandya, which are referred to in documents of the 3rd century BC. Some of the kings of these dynasties are mentioned in Sangam Literature and the age between the 3rd century BC and the 2nd century AD is called the Sangam Age. At the beginning of the 4th century AD the Pallavas established their rule with Kanchipuram as their capital. Their dynasty, which ruled continously for over 500 years, left a permanent impact on the history of Tamil Nadu, which was during this period virtually controlled by the Pallavas in the north and the Pandyas in the south.
In the middle of the 9th century a Chola ruler established what was to become one of India’s most outstanding empires on account of its administrative achievements (irrigation, village development) and its contributions to art and literature. The Age of the Cholas is considered the golden age of Tamil history.
Towards the end of the 13th century the Cholas were overthrown by the later Pandyas who ruled for about a century an d were followed by the Vijayanagara Dynasty, whose greatest ruler was Krishnadeva Raya (1509-1529), and the Nayaks of Madurai and Tanjore.
The Colonial Age opened in the 17th century. In 1639 the British East India Company opened a trading post at the fishing village of Madraspatnam, today Madras, the capital of Tamil Nadu. In 1947, India achieved Independence. The overwhelming majority of the population of Tamil Nadu is Hindu, with active Christian and Muslim minorities.
Tamil (????? tami?; IPA: [t??m??]) is a Dravidian language spoken predominantly by Tamil people of the Indian subcontinent. It has official status in India, Sri Lanka and Singapore. Tamil is also spoken by significant minorities in Malaysia, Mauritius, Vietnam, Rรฉunion as well as emigrant communities around the world.[1] It is the administrative language of the Indian state of Tamil Nadu, and the first Indian language to be declared as a classical language by the government of India in 2004.
Tamil literature has existed for over two thousand years.[7] The earliest epigraphic records found date from around the third century BCE.[8] The earliest period of Tamil literature, Sangam literature, is dated from the 300 BCE โ 300 CE.[9][10] Inscriptions in Tamil Language from 1st century BCE and 2nd century CE have been discovered in Egypt and Thailand.[11][12] The first two ancient manuscripts from India,[13][14] to be acknowledged and registered by UNESCO Memory of the World register in 1997 & 2005 were in Tamil.[15] More than 55% of the epigraphical inscriptions – about 55,000 – found by the Archaeological Survey of India in India are in the Tamil language.[16] According to a 2001 survey, there were 1,863 newspapers published in Tamil, of which 353 were dailies.[17]
Be an Indian…..
All r same here..
I like all other language……..
Because My Country is India…………
before post think and be an Indian Citizen….
don’t do like pakistan people…
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Tamilan
Telugu has not been derived from Tamil, but it has been derived from Sanskrit .
They will never understand.
At the end of the day, Tamil is still older then Sanskrit, Don’t get me wrong, Indo-Aryans can get jealous, but I’m not saying Sanskrit isn’t old at all, It is old and very Ancient, but Tamils is by farthest the oldest in India and maybe the whole world. A whole village in Tamil Nadu has ONE DNA GENE that shows us that the first Indians were in fact From Africa 70,000 years ago. The language and the DNA proves without doubt that they speak Tamil and were Dravidians. Do North Indians have this DNA proof? This proof cant be erased. In Sri Lanka, where Tamils are believed to be the original inhabitants, have cave sites over 40,000+ years. What more can you people ask, all this is CLEAR evidence that Tamils are the original inhabitants of the Indian subcontinent, and the fact alone proves Tamil is the oldest in India today. BTW, fellow Tamils please unite and let us achieve Eelam one day. A extremely old race and language needs a county so it can flourish for thousands of years to come!
u dont know about the sinhalese, Thats why i dont believe god. God can only watch.
There is nothing to fight with… We all born in sacred land which has more than 1000 spoken languages, 100+ crores people, the land where many religions born, great literatures arised,great peoples lived. Our ancestors strived hard to bring the literatures and languages, which deals with the discipline, unity and the perfect and unique way of living.
We all have to be proud with the each and every scripts and languages in our country. “The point why we are lagging behind is lack of unity” which made us slaves for last few centuries. We forget the richness in ourselves and feeling that we don’t have nothing with our ourselves.
Some parts in north-east india doesn’t have even electricity, but electricity was invented more than 100+ years. This is the situation where we are in now, then why we have to fight.
Do u know the problem in srilanka? there is a communal fight between Srilankans & Srilankan tamils (ie. Tamils & singalars… a lingustic issue).Most of the wars happened in this world is between two communities. It is all just of Non- Acceptence.
But india have never faced any such big linguistic wars or communal wars. The greatest secular country in the world. We have to maintain this and go forward. Let us respect our own languages and other good foreign languages.
We have to look in our strength and make India shining. If it happens so, our country will make the whole world shining !!!
– Indian
Before 1000 BC
c. 3100 BC Sumerian
c. 2700 BC Egyptian
c. 2400 BC Eblaite
c. 2300 BC Akkadian
c. 2250 BC Elamite
c. 2000 BC Hurrian
c. 1800 BC West Semitic / proto-Canaanite Middle Bronze Age alphabets
c. 1800 BC Luwian
c. 1650 BC Hittite
c. 1500 BC Canaanite Proto-Canaanite alphabet
c. 15th-14th / 13th century BC Greek Linear B tablet archive from Bronze Age Knossos
c. 1400 BC Hattic
c. 1300 BC Ugaritic see Ugaritic script
c. 1400 BC – 1000 BC Old Chinese
First millennium BC
Phoenician – about 1000 BC
Aramaic – c. 950 BC
Hebrew – c. 950 BC: Gezer calendar
Phrygian – c. 800 BC
Moabite – c. 800 BC
Ammonite – c. 800 BC
Old South Arabian – c. 800 BC
Etruscan – c. 700 BC
Umbrian – c. 600 BC
North Picene – c. 600 BC
Lepontic – c. 600 BC
Tartessian – c. 600 BC
Lydian – c. 600 BC
Carian – c. 600 BC
Eteocypriot – c. 600 BC
Thracian c. 6th c.BC
Venetic c. 6th c.BC
Old Persian – 525 BC: Behistun inscription
Latin – c. 500 BC: Duenos Inscription[4]
South Picene – c. 500 BC
Messapian – c. 500 BC
Gaulish – c. 500 BC
Old North Arabian – c. 500 BC
Mixe-Zoque – c. 500 BC: Isthmian script (disputed)
Oscan – c. 400 BC
Iberian – c. 400 BC
Meroitic – c. 300 BC
Faliscan – c. 300 BC
Mayan languages – c. between 300 BC and 200 BC[5]
Volscian – c. 275 BC
**Tamil – c. 250 BC: Tamil-Brahmi
Indo-Aryan (Prakrit) – c. 250 BC: Edicts of Ashoka[13][14]
Galatian – c. 200 BC
Celtiberian – c. 100 BC
Korean – adoption of Hanja c. 100 BC, evidence of proto-Idu c. 500 AD[15
First millennium AD
Sanskrit: Epigraphical Hybrid Sanskrit (EHS) from the 1st to 3rd centuries AD[16]
Bactrian – – c. 150: Rabatak inscription
Common Germanic/Proto-Norse – c. 160: Vimose inscriptions (c. 100 BC if the Negau helmet inscription is accepted as Germanic)
Cham – c. 200
Basque – c. 300: Iruรฑa-Veleia archaeological site (allegedly forgery: see c. 1000 for the Glosas emilianenses)
Gothic – c. 300: Gothic runic inscriptions
Ge’ez – c. 300 (pre)-Ezana inscriptions
Armenian – 395 – 405 Saint Mesrob Mashtots.
Primitive Irish – c. 300-400: Ogham inscriptions
Georgian – c. 430: a Georgian church in Bethlehem
Kannada – c. 450: Halmidi inscription
West Germanic – 6th century:
Old Low Franconian – c. 510: Salic law[17]
Old High German – c. 550: Pforzen buckle
Old English – Undley bracteate; c. 650: Franks Casket; West Heslerton brooch[18]
Arabic – 512: pre-Islamic Arabic inscriptions
Cambodian – c. 600
Tibetan – c. 600
Udi – c. 600: Mount Sinai palimpsest M13
Telugu – 620
Old Malay – c. 683: Kedukan Bukit Inscription
Tocharian – c. 700
Old Turkic – c. 700 Orkhon
Old Irish – c. 700
Japanese – c. 700
Welsh – c. 700: Tywyn inscriptions
Old Frisian – c. 750
Old Hindi – 769: Dohakosh by Saraha
Malayalam – c. 800
Old Norse – c. 800 (runic)
Javanese – 804
Old French – c. 842: Oaths of Strasbourg
Old Church Slavonic – c. 862
Bengali Language -c. 900 charyapada
Philippine languages (particularly Old Tagalog)- c. 900 Laguna Copperplate Inscription
Russian – c. 950-1000: Gnezdovo inscription, Birch bark documents, Novgorod Codex
Leonese – c. 959-974: Nodicia de Kesos.
Italian – c. 960-963: [19]
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_first_written_accounts
**Even by oldest written account tamil is much far older than sanskrit and oldest indian language
hi,
Tamil is the first and old language in the world that is more than 3,000 yrs old. but
Sanskrit is the only 1500 yrs old language this was aggregated by Indian government , so Tamil is the oldest language in the world.
ex; All the living and new born is speaking with amma in first. there are lot of proof why Tamil is a fist and oldest language int world? ex thirukural , kandhapuranam …………………
Thanks and regards
kannankarthik
You have mention the truth.I am so proud that I am a Tamil, after reading your article.
sanskrit derived from vedic sanskrit which is an indo iranian lang
roughly sanskrit was spoken from around 5000bc to 3000 bc
and
tamil dates back to 10 000 bc the tern dravidian was itself coined in 19th century by a british which in sanskrit called as land along the sea
and telegu malayalam kannda tulu are derived from tamil .
mother of all south indian languages…
sanskrit and tamil are derived from different path
and also in different ages!!!
no fighting though im not tamilian im telegu !!!
Dear Sir,
please give me a reply immediately that which are the world’s oldest 5 languages?
Hi Buddy,
This is not the place for fighting..For the people who speak that telugu is spoken language more than tamil. Please see the state population and state devolepment and compare those with Tamil Nadu. Then realise why telugu people are more in numbers..Still castist exist and illiteracy is more like many north indian state. That is why population raises and when you see spoken strength obvious tamil is more because it stand 17 th largest language spoken in the world..So now you could imagine how vast is our circle..
Please don’t fight because ur language came frm tamil don’t forget that . If you fight it is just fighting with your MOM..
Thanks
In Egypt archeologists found a Ancient pot that had Ancient Tamil Inscriptions on it. MORE PROOF.
ya if all telugu people left…darling….did u know tamil nadu wud have been shit??? like really dude…….whole of tamilnadu politics is run not by tamilians…are u out of ur mind?? so basically….if all telugu ppl leave tamil nadu…u will propably sit there are like do fishing and bring ur state up?? rite from MGR to Jayalalitha, did u know karunanidhi is a telugu?? vaiko is a telugu and so is vijayakanth, radhika is a srilankan…and the list just goes on……. and dude we are all indians….
so wat do u propose?? tamil nadu is for tamilians and andhra is for telugu’s and delhi is for only delhites?? let me get u rite…so ur telling me if u happen to get a job in karnataka u wont move to karnataka??
if ur answer for the above question is yes…..then dude ur either one of those tamil maniacs or not indian.
its abt the suppression not about the land. Everything is “finished”. We are still soft hearted. We are in need of money too to protect ourselves. Dont forget this. one question, Where is God?
if u do not know the language..its better to just shut up!!! dude tamil is an indian language allrite and it became offcial when we indians started moving to various places…..not becoz tamil just springed up there!!!!
telugu like u said does not sound so similar to tamil…….or rather it does not sound similar at all……if u were just watching today’s telugu movies or ..listening to ur telugu friends who are from tamil nadu..and speak this messed up slang of telugu which is literally tamil..then buddy ur mistaken….telugu is lot of more different…….and really…….its better to mind ur language…..
wat kind of impression are u putting up …. ur just a disgrace to us tamilians.
thirday..sanskrit is a scholarly language…only learned people were allowed to learn sanskrit..on the other hand..tamil was a colloquial mother tongue………and for ur kind information…there were so many other languages like tamil that were prevalent when ancient tamil was around..but for obvious reasons i guess none survived……..
and for ur kind information the tamil that is spoken today is no blody way similar or even close to the tamil that was spoken back then..so chill..ur essentially speakind a different language..that has essentially retained its name…TAT IS IT!!!
oh btw..u said telugu sounds like dogs barking…dude….did u know italian is the sweetest language in the world??? and did u know telugu is called the italian of the east??? get ur data and research on place….there is no point in baseless arguement…
AND really…..even if tamil is oldest…or older…wats so great??? tamil has its own greatness!!! amd so does anyother language allrite?? if u cannot respect other languges how are you going to respect ur own?? without even knowing the language how can u conclude something ???
are u nuts???? telugu has its words coming from tamil??? dude no way on earth u make sense… and secondly hope u understant that the tamil that is spoken today or even 800 years ago is not the same tamil that was spoken some 1500 yrs ago…so chill….although the language that was spoken in the south asia was called tamil…it later evolved into various languages under the influence of different languages……….however, the language that is ” so called tamil rite now” retained the name….allrite?? that doesnt make today’s tamil speakers better nor worse..so chill!!!
I wonder how a there was a king in Egypt without a language.
and made his son to form a new language
“is the world’s earliest language”.
What is the neccessity for the king to lock his sons inside a room when no one has a language in Egypt.
Thats funny .
NOTE:
CONDITIONS APPLY HE HE…
refrence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rig_veda
if u say rig veda is dated 7000 BC. idiot dont spoil our telugu peoples name. rig veda is dated 1200 BC or so. from where did this 7000 BC came into the picture.
who invited you to the meeting in masco (moscow), better dont spoil the name of telugu people. you are lucky, i dint you bad words .YOU ARE VERMIN IN OUR SOCIETY.
chk bbc’s story of india documentary, they have clearly mentioned aryans are migrants to india.
and this fact is there in BBC. I guess bbc is not owned by tamils, so you can trust them on this context… no joking, they have a documentary named “The story of India”, in which all the proofs are given in detail
hey joker, the proof your are showing is mostly fake. the proof for telugu literature is around 1500 year ago only…
if someone say like you are not born for a human, but for a monkey means you ll believe huh..
the explanations and proofs by you are similar to this..
and one aryans are migrants to india… surf bbc web site you ll find the truth
who asked you peoples to stay in tamil nadu…
leave back to andhara itself… only because of telugu people in tamil nadu, tamil nadu is not flourishing much..
who asked you peoples to stay in tamil nadu…
leave back to andhara itself… only because of telugu people in tamil nadu, tamil nadu is not flourishing much..
tamiza small correction.
we even have proofs for tamiz literature dated 1000 BC
Dear Tamiza,
Its not one man, its one whole village, near Madurai.
The reason is, people in that village marry their first cousin.
And to the surprise, My dad is one amongst them.
Since he got no cousins, he is unlucky to carry his ancient gene further.
if tamil words are from sanskrit!!then how come siva(pure tamil word) went to sanskrit!!!!!lol…..
there was borrowing from sanskrit to tamil as well..
according to indian govt with archeological survey of india..tamil is the first lang to be dclared as classical status!!!!!!(wikipei for proof)…..
sanskrit came after that only!!!!!
nobody likes sanskrit cos nobody can speak it!!!
Dude, chill! The indo aryan migration theory is false, according to science. There was never any invasion. Tamil may be the oldest language, even older than sanskrit, but it is really hard to tell.
arguing over the oldest language is childish and you are probably a guy right? maybe TOO much national pride going on here eh? (yes i’m canadian and damn proud of it) oh by the way canadian was actually the first human language and beer was the first known beverage and hockey the oldest national sport.. yeah.. i’m a chic.. gee.. maybe hostile attitudes such as yours are why the world has so much useless bloody war in the first place.. take a chill pill.. and have a cold beer!!
Tamil is a oldest language
Please scary to improve your English!
Hello, in my opinion, is the world oldest Sanskrit. Certainly older than perhaps Tamil. Sanskrit cames first.
Our language is the oldest and definitely knows something.
Sanskrit is not a spoken language
Sanskrit language spoken by only iyer only, not speaken by any other people.
Ramayana, Bharatha etc are written in brami script not in sanskrit. it barrow from brami script in 200BC-200 AD(Gupta dynasty ).
So please not say sanskrit is oldest language.
Tamil is the oldest language.
I agree, But comapre to telugu english language is spoke all over world so english is oldest language.
Telugu language comes from tamil it is true. If telugu is world oldest language please show proof.
Please remember that telugu language literature written in 1200 AC. But tamil literature written in 500 BC.
you are wrong, Sanskrit is oldest, richest and all time greatest language in the world. If u believe in the Ramayana, Bharatha etc. what they speaks ? Sanskrit. so the greatest of all time is SANSKRIT
Telugu has 90 Million speakers, Tamil has 60 million, wow, what is your point? Telugu has 90 million speakers but the language itself has more then half of it’s letters and words coming from Tamil. Tamil is purely Tamil, no sanskrit influence.
‘Great Sanskrit”, Go read the Pre-history of India. Doesn’t say anything about Indo-Aryans. Matterfact, Stone Age of India was between 70,000โ3300 BCE. mtDNA tells us the FIRST Homo-Sapiens arrived to South Asia 70,000 to 50,000 years ago. Guess What? Scientists found ONE MAN in a village west of Madurai, TAMIL NADU, India to be DIRECT descendant of the first Human Immigrants to arrive to South Asia. His DNA analysis showed the proof. The first comers of South Asia arrived to Australia 40,000 years ago. Cave sites in Sri Lanka are the OLDEST in SOUTH ASIA dating 34,000 years ago. Science proved that Tamils are the first Humans to arrive in India and Australia, scientists also now predict a lost continent in the Indian Ocean. All this matches to our Tamil history, and guess what dirty Indo-Aryans?, science proves Tamils aka Dravidians were the original inhabitants of South Asia. Anyone that is smart can now see that Tamil is WAY older then Indo-Aryan languages. Telugu derived from Tamil. How many Tamil letters and words does Telugu have? More then half… Learn true history.
Hi friend…
Forign peoples are accepted the Tamil Language is the first language in the world… iam not a tamilan… my language is Telugu… but south indian all languages born from Tamil Language only… Tamil language is very intresting language…. but i know only spoke tamil language.. i dont know how to write and how to read… but the true is Tamil is the first Language in the world…
never compare great sanskrit with tamil. first dravidian language was not tamil, but telugu. todays most people in the world speak indo-aryan language. tamil speaker is only 60 million. telugu speaker 90 million. unlike indoaryan, tamil is not sweet language. When somebody speak tamil u feel like run away from there.
what u know about tamil.r u a tamil.dont u dare told like that.no other language can win tamil.
Guys!!! when we donno which is oldest language in the world y shud we fight. We are all talking about sanskrit or tamil or telugu or what evr based on facts some scholars have said till date.Every scholar have said about some particular lanuguage based on their findings and each one disagrees with the other.When every one agrees to one theory one day..that language would be the oldest for sometime till archeologist excavates something new.
One thing everyone have agreed till now is Tamil and Sanskrit are oldest in India with the present proof’s…and also based on certain logics,finding, theories.. they have said sanskrit might be older than Tamil by 250 -500 years….Since these are based on logics they may change when real findings are made..So every Tamilian, Sanskritian,(Even telugus have started=pity) please understand this and stop fighting..
Dont develop a racist feeling in urself and spoil our good country
If you really want to find this out do more research on wesites as I did..you will come to my conclusion..Dont read someones article or any tamil or sanskrit wedsites as they will be biased. Read an article with facts.
LOL Nope, Telugu is a Dravidian Language which comes from TAMIL. Telugu derived from Tamil, Sanskrit has more affect and influence on the language, that is why it seems Indo-Aryan, but is really not, even in Tamil some words come from Sanskrit, but not all, as we were not heavily influenced like Telugu. Look at Malayalam, which is is also a language deriving from Dravidians. Believe it or not, or even be jealous, or be angry, in the end, Tamils are the mother race of India, Pakistan and Ceylon. In Tamil history, we speak of Kumari Kandam, a Ancient Landmass submerged in the sea. That is where us Dravidians and Tamil man evolved including Australoids, we Dravidians and Australoids have heavy similarities in facial looks and Culture. In Ceylon, before the Sinhalese arrived Ancient Tamil tribes over 30,00-40,00 years old lived there. Namely the Naggas or Nakers, aka Snake Worshippers, and Yakkas or Yakkers aka Demon Worshippers. These people are the ancestors of present day South Indians. Also, I have to remind you all that, Dravidians are the original inhabitants and founders of INDUS VALLEY. 3rd most oldest civilization in the world, and Dravidians are the founders, in Tamil history it speaks that after KUmari Kandam submerged Tamil Empires moved into Pakistan and formed Indus. Cool Isn’t it?
Man before you go around preaching the greatness of sanskrit in English better fine tune your English . Its sucks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_language
Hello Dear, find the Proof in Google itself
telugu is the oldest language than any other….
see the proofs
1. Aitereya brahmanyam which is a part of Rigveda ( 7000 years back ) written thousands years B.C has mentioned about Telugu language.
2.Then (ten or dhen ) means South . The southern part of India is called Telugu(Tenugu). All south Indian languages came from Telugu including Tamil.
3.Sanskrit is the oldest language next comes Telugu. The logical proof is.. the linguistic prakriya (Game) of Sanskrit Avadhana is existing only Telugu . From this we can say immediate next language of Sanskrit is Telugu. In other languages Avadhana disappeared because of passage of time and their birth is after telugu . Obviusly son possesses more features of father than grand son , because son is more immediate.
3. Bilhana Kavi in his book Rajatarangini mentioned about Telugu.
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4.One of the sons name of Bali Chakravarthy ( the one who was sent to Pataala by Mahavishnu i.e. by Vamana) is Andhra or Andhrudu. Telugu area i.e. Andhra Pradesh was ruled by him . So the place became Andhra. See ,, this Bali Chakravarthy was long before Ramayana and Mahabharata. Mahabharata was 3000 years B.C. { Dr, Vedavyasa got Ph.D . on time determination of Mahabharata AND rAMAYANA . I took Ramayana and Bharatha timings from his Research topic}.
From this we can say Telugu was existing more than 7000 years from now.Because Bali Chakravarthy was several thousands of years before Mahabharata and Ramayana.Telugu is the language from him.
Some people may say Andhruduโs death time is Teluguโs birth time . Then also , Telugu is the oldest. At the time of Mahabharata Andhra was not the ruler . He died long before Bharata and Ramayana.
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5. Tamil is not older than Telugu… One fact is , with the passage of time, activities , languages etc become more and more simple. People gradually adopt simple pronunciations. Tamil has simple pronunciations than Telugu. Some typical sounds of Telugu are not in Tamil.
This part of the explaination is to prove Telugu is the oldest. There are several other proofs which are easly available on net.
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SEE THE CIVILISATION IN OTHER COUNTRIES STARTED AFTER DEVELOPMENT OF LANGUAGES IN INDIA. SO OTHER NON-INDIAN LANGUAGES CAN NOT BE OLDERTHAN INDIAN OLD LANGUAGES.ANYBODY WITH SMALL IDEA ON HISTORY CAN UNDERSTAND THIS.
IN 90’S THERE WAS WORLD HISTORIANS MEET AT MASCO , I WAS CLOSLY ASSOSIATED WITH THAT . THERE THEY HAVE DECIDED MOST OF THE WORLD LANGUAGES CAME FROM SANSKRIT. UNONIMOSLY THEY DECIDED ARYANS ARE BASICALLY INDIANS AND THEY ARE NOT MUGRANTS TO INDIA.
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words such as sun,agni or puja have tamil meanings which were later seldom used.
sun-aathavan
agni-thee
pooja-(poo asai-flower devotion)
What the so great with Tamil language???When we see back of history of Tamil,acctuly Tamil scrip or Tamil writing can not read because it is not complete.When British time,two man name is Robert Caldwell and Thomes Burrow who modify the Tamil scrip(writing).Now days Tamil writing is created by them.So what is so great about tamil.Dont compare with sanskrit language is great indian language,all god mantra is writen in sunskrit language.The language such Hindi,Marathi,Oriya,Bangali,etc,mostly came from Sanskrit.The language of Telugu is said to be a Dravidian language but there is proof that Telugu is Indo-Aryan language.Telugu and sanskrit relate in many many way.Andhra Kingdom also mentioned in the Sanskrit epics such as Aitareya Brahmana (B.C.800)and Mahabharata.The Tamil people think that all who leave in Tamil Nadu are Tamil people.Who can speak Tamil is Tamil people is it stupid as example people who can speak English can be a English man, please think .Many Telugu people leave in Tamil Nadu who contribute in Art,music,kingdom ext..The Tamil people think what ever creat in Tamil Nadu is creat buy Tamil people.Dont forget Telugu people also leave in Tamil Nadu Contribute lot of thing.Even now Moden days in cinema, actor and actress mostly are Telugu actor and actress. Sanskrit is very very great language of india dont compere,the Sunskrit influence can see in many country in South East Asia such Thailand,Indonesia,Malaysia,etc.Jai Hint Sanskrit………..
WHICH IS THE WORLD’S OLDEST LANGUAGE? THE ANSWER IS TAMIL.
Now to your point about use and misuse of the English language. I would like to point out that your criticism of the previous individual whilst being idiotic (because you seem to miss the crucial point of the debate and did not address it at all) and unnecessary (this is the internet and not a classroom) is also hypocritical since you do display a proper command of the English language yourself.
I will excuse your use of three full stops at the end of sentences but I could not find the word “donno” in any reference book. According to the proper grammer you apparently espouse there should have been no reason to capitalise the adjective “Singular” as there was no full stop in front of it. Maybe you should make an appointment to see your English teacher about the grammatical correctness of your phrase “I swear I am listening to such word called ‘cames’ for first time in my life” as I dont have time to go into all the errors in it.
Next time just keep to the point. English as with all other languages is an evolving one. Unless you want to go back to Shakespearian English in which case we can find a lot more problems with your contribution.
Yougan Logan
Yes,
No necessary to explain ppl about tamil, they are all jealous that their language can’t deserve what tamil stand for, so don’t give explanation about it. World’s know the oldest culture still alive in this world is Tamilians.
Other’s don’t comment, belive what is fact………………92
dooooode. yooooo hooooo wake up! slap!
the topic is what the worlds oldest language is. not that a guy that probably speaks 3 languages is mispronounciating a word in english. english is made up of many different languages which tells us something in and of itself. it tells us english is a collection of other languages that preceeded english in its present form and that some of those interwoven languages such as latin date back quite far in history. apparently tamil, you know those people who the sinhalese are trying to wipe off the face of the planet seem to have a language that dates back before sanscrit. the sinhalese are in the process of elliminating it from the island of ceylon, or as the racist sinhalese buddhists renamed the island supporting a buddhist event, sri lanka. anyways you might consider being a bit more lenient on other people who dont have the same background or opportunities to learn your language properly enough to suit you.
You really need to look at your own grammar. Your sentence structure is terrible. You leave out words and neglect punctuation. At least proofread your own argument before you tear someone apart about their ability to speak a language.
Where are you studying dude?
It is a fact that Sign Language preceded the spoken words,Spoken words may have been Vowel-centric,Consonants emerged later and then the vowel clusters and consonent clusters.
Song was the medium first and then it became metric recitation , then the sentences and conversation.
Well a structured language is visible in every civilization that emerged or revealed to us this time in order.
But a true living language in this century that is quite old and older to the next oldest could be a few may be the chinese,arabic and Tamil.we could induce some more but the intention is not to glorify one over the other.
Many modern languages have a back-drop either erased or clustered around.
Everyone is tired of this subject. Move on. Nothing to see here.
Dear Readers,
Some insights , here , for all of you to ponder.
The insight given here has the scientifically logic base.
1 ) The word “SANSKRIT” or ” SAMASKRITHAM” – The meaning is modifies script; improved script ; .
The word itself says that , there was a language earlier to sanskrit , from which the modified form ; the improved form came into and was called as “SANSKRIT”.
2) What was the improvement:-
The improvement:-
Like 4 strings veena was developed from a single string Thambura,
the consonants , namely
Ka ; Kha ; Ga ; Gha
Cha ; TCha; Ja ; Jha
etc
( The four different phonetic sounds of ka , cha etc )
were developed from a single phonetic sound of
ka;
cha;
ta
etc.
If anybody says that the sanskrit with varied sounds of phonetic was the first to exist and from that the tamil came latter;
it is like saying, that the first the child was in existance and
then the mother came latter.
So this is one proof to say the SANSKRIT was developed from “TAMIL”.
3) Another proof:-
In the Rig Veda – which is the very old written literature available – there are at several places – mentioning about “DRAMILA” Kings and Kingdoms. This indicates that whoever were ther had written that literature had the knowledge of atleast that , in the southern part of greater INDIA , there were people speaking different language that is different from sanskrit – that is TAMIL. So it is futile to say that Tamil was developed from Sanskrit.
4) Another proof:-
The oldest tamil literature doesn’t even once mention about sanskrit . This means, if tamil was to have been developed after the sanskrit, there who ever had written tamil literature, at least should have mentioned about the people speaking different language – sanskrit. Since there was no mention of it, by logic we can say, that the sanskrit came into existance latter than TAMIL.
5) Another proof:-
Tamil people not only have developed their own unique language for communication,
they also have developed, and documented,
the shilpakala – which is even now preserved with certain people at Tanjoore called Sthapathis – the people who has mastered the art of shilpakala and also the technique of casting metal parts by a special process called, lost-wax-technique.
All these are very well documented.
Latter on this became the basis for the beautiful temple architexture.
These documents are also available in the Vedic literature, which is in sanskrit.
All the above points, stands the scientific scrutiny.
From Sabapathy
Dude, your comment on the blog testifies the fact that you need a serious check on your English language skills….Do read some good books which could help you improve your language skills….isnt it ironic that you are in a discussion which is discussing about the topic ‘which is the oldest language in the world’? I donno whether Tamil is “the very oldest and first language” and i donno whether u “having evidence” but English is not a bad language. I would really appreciate if you dont kill it. I swear I am listening to such word called ‘cames’ for first time in my life and as per English grammar “is” should be used for Singular tense.
Tamil is older then Sanskrit and Tamil did not derive from Sanskrit. Sanskrit is a Indo-Aryan language, while Tamil is NATIVE to the Indian Subcontinent. Our history talks “Sangam”, talks about a large Tamil continent that was sunken in the indian ocean named Kumari Kandam aka lemuria. The Sumerians also believed this. Thats is proof. Also, in Sri Lanka, the indiginous people there are believed to a type of people called Yakkas and Nagas, Demon worshipers and Snake worshipers, these two practiced are still common among tamil people. This more proof. Tamils are Dravidian people, and Dravidians are believed to be descendants of Australoids and Negroids to oldest race of people. From this you can see, Kumar Kandam was a place where Australoids and Negroids interracially mixed to create the Tamil Man. Tamils came upwards to the indian subcontinent and there Indus valley was established. More proof. We Tamils and Dravidians are the original inhabitants of the whole indian subcontinent. In egypt, a pot that had inscriptions of Tamil-Brahmi was found. More proof that we are a extremely old race on earth. Our Continent was Kumari Kandam, after it had submerged our country was India, and Sri Lanka. Our country before british invasions were South India and Sri Lanka also called Thamil Eelam. Some North Indians would like to deny this to justify there own language, but sorry, you people invaded us. remember that.
I know Sanskrit is the oldest language, and its Aryans language. But before Aryans came in India which language did Dravidians speak? It could be Tamil, Telugu, Kannada or Malyalam etc. I’m decesandent of Aryan.
Seriously. Are you on drugs?
I REALY THANK TO GIVE THIS INFORMATION AND ONE REQUEST PLEASE GIVE TO ME THE PROOF
some told sanskrit is oldest than tamil. That is foolish things. Tamil and sanskrit is entirely different. sanskrit is aryan language. One friend told rama is from sanskrit. why ramayana cames because it hesitated tamil. Tholkappiyam is a literature it cames before soil and stone. Tamil is the very oldest and first language in the world. If u want evidence means i having.
Dear all,
It is well know that the word Dravidan was coined a century or later ago. So we ought to stop using this world. Sanskrit is considered as the oldest language similarly Tamil too. when we look at the Indo-Aryan Civilization we can judge that both Tamil and Sanskrit were used in the Harappa and Mohenjudaro. According to Hinduism both Tamil and Sanskrit are old that is the reason why Alwar’s( Vaishnava Saints) sung the Sanskrit Veda(marai) into tamil. Telugu and other Indian languages were derived from Tamil and Sanskrit. Finally it is happy to say that our Indian and Hindu languages are the world’s oldest languages.
Adisesh Ayyengar
so the TRINITY was their real problem :) whom to choose. without 5 elements how can anyone survive? Foolishness.
PEHLE TAKDEER LIKHA JAATA HAI
BAAD MEIN SHAREER NIKALTHA HAI
First the destiny is written
and then the body comes out.
Who is that unknown power? mysterious. I dont think it is God Particle.
Tamil is certainly not even datable before christ’s time. So it seems Tamil schools are teaching revisionist history there.
Since this is a science blog… As far as i know, The out of Africa theory of human migration and the population of the world is widely accepted byt the scientific community.
So how can Sandskrit or Tamil etc be the oldest language in the world – since humans have been around for over 60,000 years we must have been communicating with one another before 3,100BC – which was only about 5,000 years ago.
They will never ever accept.
many words that tamil language used came from sanskrit such as sun,agni and puja many many ,sanskrit is dewa lipe (dewa language )i think many south east asia contry used sanskrit word even in Bali or indonesia language and also Malay language.
Though you all say Tamil or Sanskrit being the oldest language,Tamil is not maintained in its crude form at present,but we can find good evidence of ancient Tamil in Malayalam literature and even in today’s Malayalam….with several ancient Tamil words which even the so called Dravidian don’t use.
no offense to everyone but science has shown that language developed almost 100,000 years ago back in the stone age. So everyone here is wrong.
Tamil, Sanskrit, Chinese, Greek, Latin and Aramic
It Doesn’t matter what you say, at the end of the day, TAMIL is the oldest Language, we Tamils got the Scientific Proof, and Historic Proof. There is no way Sanskrit is older then Tamil, Tamil is the oldest language in South Asia, and we Dravidian Tamils were the first Humans to set foot in the South Asian World. DNA showed us this, even a child now can understand Tamil is older. Stop arguing, TAMIL IS OLDER. Aryans came in the Invasion, Tamils are the original inhabitants and Tamil is the oldest language. Even now, the world’s 3rd Oldest Civilization, INDUS VALLEY, is said to be inhabited by Dravidian Tamils. What now?
I am sorry, but all of you are mistaken, but its common. Not many people know about it, but Cuneiform script is recorded as the oldest language EVER. It is also known as Cuneiform, the language of Mesopotamia. It dates back to about 4th millennium B.C. While Tamil is said to be dated back to only 1500 B.C. We learned this at school.
who’s you daddy bitch
I thought all you debaters might appreciate this:
Computers unlock more secrets of the mysterious Indus Valley script
https://scienceblog.com/cms/computers-unlock-more-secrets-mysterious-indus-valley-script-23686.html
Some people base their answer on which language got written down first. If you’re counting absolute oldest, probably Sumerian or Egyptian wins because they developed a writing system first (both start appearing in about 3200 BC). If you’re counting surviving languages, Chinese is often cited (first written in 1500 BC), but Greek is a possible tie because it was written in Linear B beginning ca. 1500 BC.*