Preliminary results from lifespan studies with E5
Harold Katcher has developed a protocol for lab rats using intravenous injection with a blood plasma fraction he calls “E5”. Three years ago, he announced that treated rats evinced many features of rejuvenation, including improvements in grip strength, endurance, and learning capacity. Two years ago, he announced that treated rats also were epigenetically younger, according to a rodent methylation clock developed by Steve Horvath.
This year, with a grant from Heales Foundation, Harold and his partner Akshay Sanghavi have supervised a trial in which older rats were treated with E5 and then allowed to live out their full lifespans so we might know whether epigenetic and phenotypic rejuvenation translate into increased life expectancy. Just this week, I obtained from them birth and death data for the experimental rats. There were 8 control rats, untreated, all dead, and 8 treated rats, 5 dead and 3 still living.
Executive summary of my findings: At any given age, treated rats are 4x less likely to die; but translated into life expectancy, this is less impressive. The rats are living a little longer, but not nearly so much as their methylation age would have predicted. There is good evidence for compressed morbidity — treated rats are healthier later in life, and their deaths are less spread out in time than control rats. Caveats: All rats in the epigenetic experiment were male, while all rats in the lifespan study were female. Also, the protocol was initiated at a later age in the lifespan study compared to the epigenetic study.
Raw data: Time is the rats’ age in days. “Death” =0 indicates that 3 of the rats are still living. Group 1 is control, Group 2 is rats treated with E5.
| Time | Death | Group |
| 1034 | 1 | 1 |
| 1064 | 1 | 1 |
| 1069 | 1 | 1 |
| 1155 | 1 | 1 |
| 1158 | 1 | 1 |
| 1159 | 1 | 1 |
| 1161 | 1 | 2 |
| 1173 | 1 | 2 |
| 1179 | 0 | 2 |
| 1183 | 1 | 2 |
| 1193 | 1 | 2 |
| 1197 | 1 | 1 |
| 1200 | 1 | 1 |
| 1209 | 0 | 2 |
| 1209 | 0 | 2 |
| 1218 | 1 | 2 |
How this data is analyzed
It is conventional and, IMO, also reasonable that the data on age at death are interpreted as a “probability of mortality”. Of course, a greater time period indicates a lower probability of mortality. Less intuitive, the probability of mortality is based on the number of rats that remain alive at any given time, and not on the total number of rats. Thus, when the first rat dies, its probability of mortality is just ⅛, but when the last rat dies, its probability of mortality is 1.0.
If a rat is still living it may contribute to the denominator only for rats who died earlier, and not for rats who died later.
Using these conventions, I produced the following plot for probability of mortality for the two groups. I have plotted probability of mortality on a log scale because it is an empirical fact that probability of death increases exponentially with age. This is called the “Gompertz rule”. If the Gompertz rule holds, then we expect the plot on a log scale to be a straight line. I have drawn the best straight line through the two sets of points.
The Gompertz distribution is characterized by two numbers. One is the base mortality rate, which is related to how early the animals start dying. The other is the mortality rate doubling time. The probability of death doubles again and again over the life of the animals. A short doubling time indicates that the deaths are all bunched together, and a long doubling time indicates that the deaths are spread out over a broader range of ages.
You can see that, compared to controls, the treated rats started dying later and that their mortality doubling time is shorter, with deaths bunched more closely in age.
There is substantial uncertainty in these conclusions because of the small number of rats, but there is enough data here to give us confidence in the basic conclusions:
- Treated rats are less likely to die young
- Once they begin dying, treated rats die faster than controls
- It is unclear from data so far whether maximum lifespan has been increased. We will have a better handle on this question when we see how long the remaining rats live.
One more concern about the experiment: Rats are social. Treated rats were housed separately from control rats, 2 or 3 to a cage. Just like people, rats are more likely to die after their cage mates die. I don’t have information about which rats were housed with which, but the death dates show some signs of being bunched together. This social effect could amplify the difference in mortality patterns between treated and control rats.
Cox proportional hazard
The most conventional way to analyze contingent survival data is called the “Cox proportional hazard model”, a relatively new statistical innovation introduced by David R. Cox in 1972. Many drug treatments and environmental hazards are reported on the basis of Cox models.
Result of the Cox model is reported as a “hazard ratio”, interpreted to mean that “if you do X you will be Y% more (or less) likely to die at any given time.”
The Cox model has the advantage that it is independent of the Gompertz rule or any other assumption about how mortality risk changes over time. It has the disadvantage that it can be misleading if the two different groups have qualitatively different mortality patterns.
The Cox model assumes that the difference between the two groups can be expressed as a simple ratio. If the Gompertz rule holds, a simple ratio translates (using the mortality rate doubling time) into an age change. For example, for humans in modern Western cultures, mortality doubles every 7 years. A Cox ratio of ½ is thus equivalent to rejuvenation by 7 years.
I’ve done the Cox analysis for Katcher’s rats because it is conventional, but my opinion is that its assumptions are not satisfied in this case. The mortality rate doubling time seems to change in the treated rats, indicated by the fact that the slopes of the two lines are different. So interpret the Cox results with this in mind.
Cox analysis indicates that the hazard ratio for treated rats is 0.24, meaning that treated rats are 4x less likely to die. The p value = 0.02, indicating confidence in the conclusion that treated rats are living longer than untreated. Increase in life expectancy is about 7%, which is 85 days for the treated rats. Again, these numbers can change when we see how the remaining 3 rats fare.
Conclusions
I have been committed to the idea that methylation clocks provide a real indication of biological age, and that reduction in methylation age will translate to a longer lifespan. My DataBETA study is premised on this hypothesis. There is good theoretical and indirect experimental support for the idea that epigenetics is a driving force behind aging (last week’s blog).
On their face, these new results suggest the possibility that methylation age might be decoupled from life expectancy. This is worrisome, but there are other possible interpretations of the situation.
We don’t have methylation results for the actual animals in the lifespan study. I’ve heard there was some mixup sending tissue samples to Horvath’s lab for analysis. There are various reasons these animals may not have responded to E5 treatment as well as the previous group.
Katcher’s rats are our best opportunity to answer this urgent question about a causal link between methylation status and lifespan. Fortunately, he is beginning another lifespan study with both male and female rats, which will follow more closely the protocol of the original study, but will extend in time to offer lifespan data. Unfortunately, the composition of E5 is still proprietary, so the minds of other scientists and the resources of other laboratories are not available to study the remarkable effects reported from E5. Wider collaboration is urgently needed to study lifespan and also to optimize dosage, timing, and delivery procedures. A collaboration with Johns Hopkins University has been announced by Katcher’s company (called Yuvan), but we have as yet no details.
Possible theoretical interpretation
I have written in the past about the Achilles heel of methylation clocks. Aging is like a civil war within the body. In youth, all metabolic systems are protective, but with age there are systems that attack and destroy the body. Examples are autoimmunity and inflammation.
Typically, methylation sites (CpG’s) chosen for inclusion in a clock algorithm are correlated with age. There are two possible reasons that an epigenetic change might be correlated with age, depending on which side of the civil war the system is fighting for. A given CpG might be associated with a self-destruction gene, or it might be a protective response to the body sensing higher levels of damage. The training algorithm, based on correlation with chronological age or even with mortality, is generally unable to distinguish between these two possibilities.
I have proposed on theoretical grounds that drivers of aging ought to be more common than responses to damage. Methylation clocks are only useful for evaluating anti-aging interventions to the extent that they are based on genes that drive aging. It’s only through experiments like Katcher’s that we can learn if our methylation clocks have been contaminated with genes that protect from damage.
These preliminary results are a signal of caution and a call for more research, but the evidence is indirect and the results are too thin to change theoretical perspectives now.
Discussion
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While there is reason to be cautious with the results I also have to say we are living in exciting times, I have been following this study closely and evaluating its significance. More followup studies are needed
As of 11/16/22, the last of Katcher's 8 female rats is still alive and looking well. (from Akshay)
Great news!
I wish this study combined using the plasmapheresis that the Irina and Michael Conboy dilute old plasma of the rats prior to E5.
Surely this goal is maximum longevity this process should push further.
E5 sourced from fetal bovine serum, would be an interesting alternative, concentrated using your method.
Any word on the last rat in the female Sprauge test group?
Here you can listen Steve Horvath mentioning E5 on ARDD 2022-cell-cell communication affecting epigenetic clocks: https://youtu.be/pWic6kMoznQ
Thanks for link Leo. Interesting to hear Steve Horvath's latest thinking.
Hi Akshay,
Just wondering where any information on feline trials would appear. I would like to provide links to my vet if possible. Speak to them a lot having so many cats. Thanks.
He should release E5 considering the situation, perhaps the logic behind it can reveal something more.
I'm guessing it's goung to be busy on here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here's a thought I recently had. Since E5 is a plasma fraction that contains pro-youth factors, would its effect be even more potent if combined with plasma dilution, which reduces pro-aging factors?
The E5 patent has been published: https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2022150818&_cid=P20-L5LBPB-39465-1
Gregory, thanks for the link.
The patent is 100 pages not including multiple addendums.
The patent provides a roadmap for dramatically accelerating and improving the ability of all of us to access the dramatic and important opportunities that have been demonstrated from studies on parabiosis and young blood transfusion. Harold has stated many times that his insight into developing E5 came from a 2005 Conboy study. Reading the entire patent is very informative and opens the door to addressing multiple disease processes utilizing a xenographic interventional approach.
I have produced a synopsis of the most important points as disclosed in the patent on this page of the ARC website.
https://salmon-bluebird-ese8.squarespace.com/config/pages
Scroll down this page to the pictures of Harold and Akshay.
Sorry, the wrong URL was posted above.
Corrected web link: https://www.age-regression.com/e5-katcher-sanghavi
Thanks, Michael
Thanks Michael!
Your article is quite long, but shorter than the patent ; - ) and handy to quote to others.
Cheers,
Nick.
Thanks Nick:
We are trying to provide a good overview of the most effective interventional opportunities available. Josh has provided excellent feedback on how to focus the information and also pointed out glaring omissions from the treatment modalities that have demonstrated benefit. Michael
MichaelatARC, forgive me if I'm dense, but I can't find the roadmap of which you speak. Admittedly, I only skimmed the patent, but I did read the entire web page you provided. Whom exactly do you mean by "all of us"? At best it strikes me as a road map for those with polyethylene glycol, and size exclusion chromatography columns. But I doubt it's even much of a map for them. If you would be so kind, perhaps you could distill the map into a couple paragraphs. What would be some key events that will happen, some key actions people will take over the next few years in the course of following the map? Thank you.
Hi Fred: The ability to utilize plasma fractions from xenogeneic sources, pig in this specific instance, holds the potential to provide an unlimited supply of life-saving interventions for aging and specific diseases. Therein lies my reference to a map.
The patent also enables someone skilled in the art to reproduce the results, again a map. I am well aware that this patent is a skillful exercise in obstafacation. I appreciate that the level of frustration is very high for many. Being able to read about a promising treatment to forestall disease and death, but not access it, is annoying for some and heartbreaking for many others. I am convinced that both Harold and Akshay are working to remove as many obstacles as possible to provide access as soon as possible. From all of my research, it appears that the best stopgap measure to bridge the gap from now until we all have access to E5 is TPE. TPE is accessible now. The Conboy's and Dr. Kiprov recently published an update on this procedure. Click on the "Most Recent Research" on this page: https://www.age-regression.com/therapeutic-plasma-exchange-tpe-2
My father is 85 years and Dr Katcher is looking for people in his age range to try topical application of E5.
How can we apply for this?
Hi Garvin we are in the planning stage and have not yet finalized the site. Once we do only if it is convenient for him to be available at that location for multiple visits should we make him the proposal to volunteer.
Akshay Atomic Bliss, thank you. How could I get in contact to find out if or when this will be finalized?
Akshay Atomic Bliss, to contact us: our email is [email protected], when finalized.
Thank you, take care
Noted thanks Garvin
Mr Akhsay
Why dont u experiment the topical aplication of E5 simultaneously in the skin and hair ? If E5 could improve hair growth or hair pigmentation that would open a massive bussiness oportunity for Yuvan.
Thanks in advance. Keep up the good work !
Thank you so much John. It is indeed a good suggestion. Will discuss with Harold.
Thank U very much for the answer !
Keep up the good work !
Mr Akshay
Will the topical E5 clinical trial be made in both skin and hair or only in skin?
Thanks
Above else what this shows is that there is a massive need for more basic research into aging. One can hope with the recent launch of Hevolutiion that has a billion dollar per year pledge and the mounting efforts in the US to lobby Congress for more funds for basic research in aging, that will can get a clear picture of what causes aging, at least in a single cell organism, within ten years or so. Even that is far from certain though. We must all continue to help the effort in whatever form we best can.
Thank you for your analysis, Josh. I came across some lifespan extension percentage comparisons after publishing those results, commenting things like” A 7% extension in mice would be a ho-hum result, considering much less invasive, and way lower cost treatments can currently produce a 23% life extension. Rapaymycin comes in at around 23%” and so on, but, as I have said many times before on our previous age reduction breakthrough blog, we are not simply a mechanism assembled in parts and we need to address ovarian aging, brain aging, muscle aging separately. We need to do it as a class, systemically to aging and until we have opportunity to discovering the region of non coding DNA that gives birth to elements that trigger the various changes that lead to the aging phenotype, so called conductor, I consider hacking the factors and proteins that cause progressive age related changes in the activation and repression of genes and replace them with factors and proteins either from a young environment or removing sole negative ones stopping us repairing, the only solution. This will change the gene expression signature back to what it was in youth and hopefully, lead us to rejuvenation. I am sure Harold and Akshay will be able to have a gender specific version based on the same principle, if at all needed in this newest mixed gender study. As Akshay said, E5 is still a crude biology, needing to be perfected, which will happen by this outstandingly fortitudinous team, I am 100% sure. Why we still can’t see a radical, dramatic life extension with the particular pathways fully solved and treated/activated? Just like the developmental program, the aging program too is global, unfolding in every cell in our body. Change is constant in our lifecycle. If there were no changes we would remain an egg. We would remain a baby if changes stopped after we developed into one. These changes make us an adult and then begin aging till we die. With E5, you are hacking biology itself, not a particular symptom, pathway or metabolism. You can lower your epigenetic age simply by taking absorbable form of calcium AKG, raise your glutathione level with acetylated glutathione, lower triglycerides, raise SOD, NAD levels and etc, but you will still die because of the transcriptional onslaught regulated by aging. Therefore, I do not think it’s a good idea to compare E5 with anything, even though, this experiment was not as impressive as the previous one.
According to our DNA, the maximum lifespan of humans should be 38 years. It is very chilling to read that based upon DNA epigenetic clock, humans would be expected to have a maximum lifespan of 38 years. As some programmed theory believer scientists suggest, which I do agree and completely share that humans have modified the program and turned dying into senescence. I think the DNA study explains why humans have a very long period of senescence.
After age 38, We are living on borrowed time. In view of these mass extinctions, it is peculiar that aging theory is all about how animals should focus on longer lifespan as opposed to how animals should try to avoid extinction. The best way to meet the challenges is to evolve new traits to adapt. Understanding the best way to evolve new traits involves mathematical reasoning.
Finally, I am more and more impressed by Harold and Akshay’s orientation and inclination, the conception of comparing and translating things from the anthropological standpoint, looking at super diversity and complexity of the living organisms and studying their conserved and unique mechanisms, not to mention their undaunted nature and the passion of being into dimension as its best, all the fears coming from the extreme complexity of the aging process fade away and make us to remain, at least not pessimistic, if not optimistic.
Thanks, Leo, for your wise perspective. Maybe you can offer us a link to learn more about the "conductor".
Thank you, Josh, I greatly appreciate. As for the “conductor”, I wish I could, but, as Sinclair said: “someone discovering the conductor, most definitely deserves the Nobel Prize. Most of the beliefs I do have, come from Akshay, my favorite and a true genius. To me, there should be no single one, like the hypothalamus. Apparently, each of our 30 trillion cells has its own manager that releases time regulated instructions or temporal regulation. So it seems there is no single chief but 30 trillion managers each managing their own cell and coordinating with other managers, maybe by our circulation to out those regulatory changes. But as you said, a faster ticking, oldest clock is going to win the battle and kill us.
Thank you Leo very nicely articulated.
Who said our lifespan is 38 ? .... dumbest thing ive heard
Harvard study last year showed our lifespan is in reality 120 years.
xx months later a new study came out showing that if we just have better dna repair, our dna can hold 150 years
about the 120 tho, we are so toxic that we die 40 years before we are suppose to. guiess what toxins ...