It seems too simple to explain much, but according to a study out of Northwestern University, large proteins are more prevalent in young animals compared to old.
For those of us who believe that aging is programmed into the life cycle, gene expression seems the most likely transmission of information about age through the body. Different genes are turned on and off at different stages of development and through the lifetime. This has been, in my opinion, the most fruitful basis for understanding aging and its remediation. For example, methylation patterns affect gene expression, and methylation patterns are the best measure we have of biological age.
The reason that this hypothesis doesn’t lead immediately to a treatment protocol is that evolution has not engineered the body the way a human would design a machine. Human engineering is based on understanding and isolating causes. One mechanism is designed for each desired effect. Biochemistry doesn’t work that way. Every molecule has multiple functions and every function requires many chemical components to make it work. In an engineered system, there is a hierarchy of causes and effects, a few high-level switches and many low-level switches. In a biological system, there is a network of interactions. Chemicals may have a primary (low level) biological function, but the same molecule also serves as a transcription factor, affecting at a high level the output of related chemicals.
The advantage of human engineering is that it is comprehensible. It is relatively easy to fix. If you see something that’s not working, the design specs tell you what component is likely malfunctioning and you can replace it.
The advantage of nature’s way is robustness. When a component fails, alternative pathways open up to take up the slack.
Last year, my left leg was injured so severely after I was hit by a car that the main vein returning blood from the leg was irreparable, and was surgically sealed off. During the first weeks in the hospital, my left leg swelled up to twice the size of my right because the arteries bringing blood down were fully open, but the return pathway was blocked. But over the ensuing months, other veins gradually expanded to accommodate the increased flow, and my left leg now is almost the same size as my right.
The take-home message is that we think that if we could change gene expression in an old person to mimic the gene expression of youth, the body would look and act young again. But there are thousands of genes that are differentially expressed, and the questions are still up in the air:
- Is there some small subset of genes that controls the others sufficiently that we can add and subtract some manageable number of components from the blood to recreate a youthful metabolism?
- Are these all proteins? Or are there RNAs or other signals that are essential to the process?
- How can we determine what is the minimal set of molecular species that needs to be modified?
- And if we restore the youthful balance of signal molecules through the body, will this recreate a stable, youthful state, or is it necessary to treat the body frequently to prevent relapse to the old metabolic state?
There are presently several laboratories working with this paradigm from different angles, for example at Berkeley, Stanford, the Salk Inst, Mt Sinai and Einstein Hospital of New York.
Leapfrogging ahead of these research institutes with a practical demonstration has been Harold Katcher. Katcher’s method is proprietary. He tells us that it is a “plasma fraction”. When I first heard this several years ago, I thought of the pioneering work of scientists in St Petersburg using peptides, which are very short proteins. I used to think the fraction must be the shortest proteins.
In light of this new paper from Northwestern, I thought it must be the longest proteins. A brief email exchange with Katcher confirmed this guess.
Both Katcher and the Northwestern authors mention the possibility that mRNA splicing might be impaired with age. In all eukaryotes (that’s everything larger than bacteria), genes are not stored contiguously in our chromosomes, but rather in segments that code for modules, or pieces of a protein. The mRNA is copied from the chromosome, and then various pieces of mRNA are spliced together to form a full, functional gene before the reconstituted mRNA is delivered to a ribosome to be read and translated into a protein. Presumably, longer proteins require more splicing, so impaired RNA splicing could account for a deficit of longer proteins as we age.
Katcher’s E5 is based on a process of filtering proteins from pigs’ blood plasma and selecting the largest molecular weights. It seems to work in rats, but the process of ramping up to create sufficient quantities of E5 for human trials is proceeding slowly, dragged down in part by the IP that Katcher and his partner are holding close to their chests.
Meanwhile, the four questions I listed above are not being addressed. Patent law is working against us, since Katcher’s E5 patent is for a process of extraction. If a subset of active ingredients is identified and the minimal set of rejuvenating proteins becomes known, his patent becomes worthless. Naturally occurring proteins cannot be patented.
This is the maddening influence of capitalism and intellectual property law on anti-aging science. The most promising avenue for rejuvenation (IMO) is not attracting research attention because it cannot attract venture capital; it can’t attract venture capital because there is no attractive business model; and there is no business model because of the structure of our patent law.
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Hi Akshay, does your gel Neel have an expiry date as to life expectancy of active components in it, mainly, of course, GHK-Cu? Thanks.
Seeing reports of Sima on UK newspaper websites (Guardian and Express). So pleased. Well deserved by your team. Thanks for sharing the journey with us all.
Thank you Derek very kind. Yes we were lucky to catch the attention of a reputed paper like The Guardian.
@ Gregory Wilkinson. Captcha won't let me respond to your post (too old), but the following is what I would have said:
I am confused. Josh says that Harold confirmed that it is the heaviest proteins that are in E5. You interpret the patent as excluding proteins >65kD. Perhaps E5 is the excluded portion?
Akshay mentions Nrf2. My google search says the human form has a molecular weight of 67.7 kD.
As I read it, the reduction with age of long transcription factors was not observed in all tissue types. This would seem to indicate that a causal relationship may not be involved unless not all said tissue types age?
Harold recently cited in another conversation that different tissues and organs have variable rate of aging. But I doubt if any tissue ir organ completely escapes aging.
Yes, my point was that all tissue types DO age, and if some do not have shorter TFs with age, then shorter TFs cannot be the sole cause of aging.
Good point
Wayne this is one of my fav papers as it takes a deeper look then conventional RNAseq. It’s findings are quite interesting. https://www.cell.com/cell-systems/fulltext/S2405-4712(17)30547-1?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS2405471217305471%3Fshowall%3Dtrue
There seems to be a splice code that governs transcription and probably leads us to our various lifestages. And yet despite such a code the number of non coding isoforms seem to be endless. The authors say “ We propose that noncoding exons are functionally modular, with alternative splicing generating an enormous repertoire of potential regulatory RNAs”. When they compare these non coding regulatory RNAs with mice they find humans have multifold more whereas the size of our coding genes is similar to mice. So what makes a more complex human vs mice lies in the much larger non coding regulation network. Changes in lengths of transcripts as we age would be result of this splicing code. We could identify it as result of accumulation of errors in the splicing machinery but as there is a temporal pattern that is seen with aging it may be because of a splicing code/program.
I know this community is very against the molecular damage theory of aging but may I ask you Akshay what is your opinion on hyperfunction theory of aging-continuation of growth and developmental program-Blagosklonny theory? Does not it seem very logical and relevant to your theory?
Akshay, Quercetin is known for its low bioavailability. Do you have any advice on how to boost absorption?
For those not familiar with Michael Lustgarten, he has a complete opposite approach, using no supplements at all (besides vitamin D during winter time). His diet is determined 100% by his blood biomarkers, and currently he is measuring 17 years younger biological age than chronological age. I like that strawberries is on the top of his food chart :-)
https://michaellustgarten.com/
Very interesting discussion on Blagosklonny accidental quasi program vs intentional aging program.
I am agnostic on the matter, but what I will say is that if children have to compete with parents then they will have LESS children themselves and the adults will have MORE, which will slow adaptation. Therefore we should expect slower aging animals in slow changing environments and fast aging animals in fast changing environments. Surely this experiment can be done with worms or flies?
Of course that doesn't settle the argument for quasi vs. intentional program, as in a slow changing environment slow growth might also be selected and therefore indirectly select for slow aging.
You might also get the case of the region under direct selection playing off against the linked region, should that region start to manifest a non adaptive phenotype. You see this in cases of high intelligence being linked to traits involved in mental instability.
We also need to consider animals like crocodiles or turtles that have many young that grow quickly initially, slowly later, but never stop growing. They have high predation initially, but low predation above a certain size. Is this simply because they can't get enough food to maintain early growth rates, or do they downregulate mTOR regardless of calorie input? Again, not that difficult an experiment to do...
Would someone help an old brain understand what the referenced study is saying. For example, as I understand it, transcription factors are a subset of all the proteins translated in a cell. Does the paper state that all long proteins are under represented with aging? AFAIK, the length of a transcription factor need not correlate with the length of the transcribed protein it affects - the binding site being very short and quite constant.
I wonder if the emphasis on transcript length in the paper is just obscuring the significance of a reduction in ALL long proteins with age.
On a separate note, I seem to remember a paper that asserted young albumin is different than the albumin of us old folks. It would seem that trials might need to consider not just the quantity of certain proteins but also their makeup. Can anyone guess if the E5 extracted from old blood would have the same effect as E5 from a young creature?
Wayne transcription occurs before protein production so not a subset. Transcription leads to mRNA which then gets translated to a protein. There also non coding transcripts which do not translate to proteins but have regulatory roles. This paper’s authors have discovered a stark change between the young and old: the length of transcripts. Young have long and short but as we grow older longer transcripts are not seen. One of causes could be a program that regulates alternative spicing. 98% of the transcriptome is a result of alternative splicing. There are specific patterns seen in alternate splicing in diseases and aging. To give you another perpetual of this regulation here is what happens in psoriasis a skin disease: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-22284-y
By subset, I meant not all proteins are transcription factors. What did the paper say about protein lengths other than TFs? Are the average lengths of such proteins also reduced? If so, one could more conclusively point to splicing failure as a cause/component of aging?
I don’t remember if the paper mentioned this but smaller genes should lead to smaller proteins.
Unfortunately, psoriasis is not only a skin disorder anymore, but a systemic one, affecting the whole body in many different ways, such as an arthitric condition, for sample, or cardiovascular disorders. Just FYI. BTW rapamycin, the very well known antiaging compound is a promising antipsoriasic.
Thanks Engadin. I am not surprised about Rapamycin and I would also expect E5 to be as it lowers inflammatory markers significantly.
Lovely. Thanks Akshay for so favorable perspectives regarding E5. I wish it'd eventually turn to be a 'panacE5'. ????
E5 extracted from the old will have the opposite effect. It needs to be extracted from the young to get the benefits.
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If someone has mentioned Sinclair's latest contribution, I missed it. As I understand the paper, DSBs cause changes in the epigenome which can be at least partly corrected with Yamanaka factors. It seems to imply that there is information encoded somewhere that describes the road back to a more youthful epigenome. He calls it the Information Theory of Aging, but the difference between information and programmed seems primarily semantic to me. In any event, the existence of levers controlling rejuvenation seems to be well established. Katcher's rats would seem to suggest that E5 is a better way of operating them than OSKM. We shall soon know.
Agreed Wayne: he comes to the same conclusion but labels it differently
From the beginning of Harold/Akshay Era, we have been underlining the word SYSTEMIC! This has been proven by the latest OSK reprogramming which failed to increase the maximum lifespan by more than 6%. A one could imagine transcription factor induced nucleus reorganization is enough to affect all the hallmarks of aging. I think that’s not true and it’s becoming obvious day by day, even if the virus delivery and the dose schedule is optimized enough. We are slowly but still coming to the conclusion by Akshay and Harold. Unless addressed systemically, we are supposed to fail. A great example here would be the systemic consequence of DSBs. We may upregulate HR and NHEJ through SIRT6, suppress Retrotransposable Elemets, maintain youthful gene expression pattern, maintain heterochromatin and lamina associated domains, kill senescent cells but still fail to extend lifespan dramatically. Why? Because mitochondrial DNA, Cytoplasmic chromatin fragments from mitosis, Micronuclei rupture, SASP, R-loops, Transposons, Cell replication and degradation of Nuclear scaffold protein and deregulation of negative regulators of cytoplasmic DNA are going to change, cause the activation of cGAS-STING, interferon response and tissue hyperfunction-dysfunction. I think Rapamycin is just a brilliant example how addressing systemically is the only solution. For today, there is nothing more promising than Rapamycin and E5 remains the only solution making us maintain our hopes and leave the mode of pessimism.
Good points. Looking at all the stuff out there right now I would think E5 is probably the only one at this time that has any chance of being a true game changer of turning the clock back safely. The only one where we may actually see a 75 year old walking around like a healthy person in their early 50s. The other big hurdle is eventually figuring out what is the factor keeping lifespan from increasing greatly in the rats.
There might be some good news that we will sharing soon on lifespan front :)
That would be great to hear. Also the info on the topical trials. I am sure a lot of people will love when they can apply that to their facial skin in the future.
Akshay, is there a special web site for european customers for the ordering of NEEL topical gel? From what I understood, it should be possible for customers within the EU to order NEEL from February 2023?
Is it Sima breaking a lifespan record? Just kidding, but...
Well we are investigating that Ines on Jan 28th Sima will be 47 months.
Wow Akshay!
If you compare Sima to this, the result is quite impressive!
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Survival-data-for-rats-A-female-Sprague-Dawley-and-Lewis-rats-B-male-Sprague_fig1_6164520
Congratulations
The problem with rapamycin is that it only treats hyperfunction which is not aging itself. Alan Green experienced relief from his cardiomyopathy which he first thought was anti-aging. Mark has also commented that you can't inhibit MTOR too much before you have negative effects.
Rick I agree: chronic inhibition of mTOR swings to the other extreme: anabolic processes too are needed.
exactly, there is a minimal mTOR a particular species can't live without. Hence it will only make a short lived mouse a long lived mouse, and never give it the lifespan of a squirrel; it struggles to even give a mouse the lifespan of a rat.
Thank you Leo. Very well explained. Your knowledge continues to grow.
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I largely agree with you - but believe that the aging process and the rate at which it unfolds are differently controlled (there is evidence of that). So, the modest improvements in life span and the significant improvements we've produced in the quality of life are only the beginning for us. There is so much still to be learned and accomplished.
Just for example, the octopus is a semelparous organism that dies after its reproductive goals are met by flooding its body with cascades of inflammatory cytokines using its 'optic gland' in the back of its eyes. Removal of these glands prevented this and the octopus (I don't remember the sex) resumed a normal lifestyle until it died one year later of unknown causes. Makes me think that without the ability to reproduce, its "life program" ran out - what biological purpose did it serve? Nature apparently gave its programming no other options. Sure would be interesting to know why/how that twice-born octopus died.
Thank you, Harold and Akshay. You are a true inspiration and a clear example that only the right ideas and the right connections are needed to change a field stuck in one direction.
What do you think about the extremely high levels of TMAO and Carnosine in the Bowhead Whale and Naked Mole Rat-2 extreme longevity models? It might be stabilizing plasma proteins under pressure? Even though Homologous Recombination and Non-Homologous End Joining do also correlate positively and are highly upregulated in these 2 species, based on many studies where DSB repair efficiency were increased but not maximum lifespan, I am already skeptical and think that DNA repair efficiency is just another correlation like the rate of telomere shortening-although DSB is considered as a major destabilizing factor.
Leo interesting observation. Just found out about TMAO thanks to you. At high levels in humans it seems to be an indicator of chronic inflammation and various chronic diseases associated with it. So I wonder why it seems to be in abundance in those long lived species. May be Harold can answer better.
Be careful in writing off telomere shortening as only correlated with aging - perhaps telomere shortening is not the main driver of aging (or maybe it is), but if you can't replace cells you WILL die, regardless of any other anti-aging intervention. Mostly likely MAX lifespan is set (in humans) by telomere attrition.
Thank you for the informative post Josh!
I have a few questions for Harold and Akshay.
Quoting Akshay’s comment above regarding the ECM.
‘E5 has components that not only rejuvenate the cell but also the ECM and other microenvironment around the cell. Part of the rejuvenation is the crosstalk between all of this in a complex systemic environment like living body’.
We can't defeat aging without regenerating the ECM. ECM proteins and
structures can determine the cell behavior, polarity, migration, differentiation, proliferation and survival by communicating with the intracellular cytoskeleton and transmission of growth factor signals. The stem cell differentiation depends on the environment. Take the connective tissue ECM for instance. Even if we achieved cellular rejuvenation by any means, the rejuvenated cells would produce their 'fresh' ECM, the problem with degrading the old one remains. The old ECM must be degraded to allow the free movement of cells or the processing and deposition of new matrix (matrix metalloproteinases MMPs and ADAMTS).
The introduction of new fibroblasts could recreate the connective tissue ECM. Regarding the plasma (the ECM of the blood), we have the plasma dilution as an option and E5 would be another one.
1) What about the non-vascular structures like cartilage or poorly vascularized tissues like tendons which rely on synovial fluid to provide nutrition?
2) What are your thoughts on immunogenicity of E5 and do you plan a pretreatment with corticosteroids in the clinical trials?
3) Will the plasma peptides be produced by recombinant technology or will they be synthetic?
Thank you!
Hi Darina, thank you for confirming the importance of crosstalk between cell and its environment. Answer to your first question is that sinovial fluid contents too would change with age and true systemic rejuvenation would make it potent again to maintain healthy cartilage. I am more curious about teeth. Especially lost teeth. Will they regrow? Or lost forever. E5 has no zero negative immune events in 5 preclinical trials so far. So no steroids needed. You know the components of E5 are so highly conserved that we have multiple sources to harvest from - some we are examining will shock the world if we succeed.
Akshay, are you suggesting that an effective anti-aging treatment might regrow teeth? This seems impossible to me - an entirely separate matter. Young people, even kids, do not regrow lost teeth. The human body simply doesn't have this capacity. I understand some animals do, so perhaps the capacity lies dormant in the "attic" of our genome somewhere. But regrowing lost teeth would require reactivation of such, or some other technique, which has nothing to do with aging. I can imagine some sort of hyper-local stem cell transplantation, or highly focused Yamanaka factor application doing the trick. The latter might be called de-aging in a sense, but down to infancy or thereabouts. Treating ones entire body systemically so would surely have nightmarish results: teratomas, crazy growth, and well, death no doubt.
I agree with you about teeth and doubt E5 would do that. My guess is if you had some teeth with a lot of wear and tear it would give you back the capability to re-mineralize them like you were still a younger age.
I hope you are right. It be really funny to have all of us living to 200 in good form but totally toothless lol Having had a nice laugh imagining that there seems to be multiple technologies under development that show promise to regrow teeth: stem cell, anti body. One of them will surely succeed. It’s a matter of time.
Here is an intriguing article. I have great regard for Kyoto University:
https://futurism.com/neoscope/treatment-makes-teeth-grow-back
Fred in fact I said the opposite. I said cartilage may be possible but I don’t know about teeth that seems impossible.
No, I don't think rejuvenation would grow new teeth, but with our newfound abilities and understanding of cellular reprogramming and the development of tooth shapes, it might still be possible to 'construct' tooth primordia, insert them into maxillae and mandibles, and grow a flashing white smile. Of course, artificial implants would be far easier to build, stronger, and not subject to decay as teeth. I guess that's the first step to becoming a cyborg?
Akshay do you think that regular plasma donations (replaced with saline) is something that we all should currently be doing until E-5 is ready for prime time? Do you think that plasma donations keep the blood clean of old proteins and even if this doesn’t have an age reversal effect, might slow ageing down slightly?
Dan I can see only upregulation of Nrf2 3 times a week or rapamycin once a week as the ones showing results one can see and feel currently. Conboys and Kiprov have a protocol that they testing in humans where they replace plasma in the old with reconstituted human albumin. I have respect for all three of them and Dr. Kiprov has been working on this from 3 decades. Another good thing for all of us is that they are already doing human clinical trials. From their last n=3 human trial the benefits seemed transient and I could not see any pointers to dramatic reversal of biological age. Which is fine if it does go on to improve healthspan. It does seem to temporarily improve the immune system. The only catch is that I how many would want to sit for hours with two needles poked in them every 15 to 30 days.
I did the maximum plasma donations you could do for a month at one of those plasma banks that pay you (8 plasma donations total - 2 per week) which the math told me should have roughly resulted in 88% of my total plasma being replaced over that time. By about the 7th of the 8 donations I was feeling a little weak but didn't get rejected for low protein on my 8th treatment like I saw happen to others at that place. Afterwards I felt kind of weak for a few weeks and then I just felt different for about 2 months like my body was working on itself more than it was before I got rid of the plasma. I believe my facial skin added a little collagen looking at it and felt a little stronger. The little bit of inflammation in my elbow disappeared. Before that though I realized removing that much over a short time period drains your albumin pretty good and also it seemed to deplete my Zinc like crazy which I had to supplement for a few weeks to get the levels back up. Next time I will make it a point to be eating a lot of protein while doing it to try and keep the albumin levels up a little more.
Thanks for sharing your donation experience. I’m coming up for my 11th plasma donation, but here in Australia we can only do them once every two weeks, which leaves plenty of time to replace albumin etc. But of course I’m probably not getting the benefit of plasma dilution like what Dr Kiprov does. I try to eat a lot of raw eggs and whey protein straight after a donation to increase Albumin. The main reason I’m doing the plasma donations is because of the Australian studies that showed it can dramatically reduce forever chemicals and micro plastics in the bloodstream, which must be a good thing
If the rejuvenation signal is distributed over a large number of molecular species, then it is likely that the information is more distributed in the network of small molecules than in the proteome. Proteins have been designed to have a very specific function; small molecules have been designed to work interactively.
Nice new paper published in Cell
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867422015203?s=03
in which they showed that metabolites interactions determine cellular aging (in yeast).
Apparently the uptake of cfChPs in healthy cells can be greatly reduced by administering Resveratrol-copper (R-Cu). From this study in mice, it seems that it can hit several targets of aging, although it does not mention to what extent: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36241685/
It is actually not at all suprising that the longest genes are most affected by aging. Most of the genome is regulatory, not protein making, so it stands to reason that if the genome is corrupted in some way, it is most likely that this would affect regulatory regions. As long genes require more splicing, it is also the longer proteins that you'd expect to fall in concentration with age.
This is evidence that the genome, our basic blueprint, is being corrupted by age.
Adding the longer proteins back into the blood is a cunning idea; but you can understand why this has to be a repeated treatment, as this won't simply reset the genome of cells back to what they were when young: for that we'll need to replace cells with pristine ones, and for that we'll need telomerase.
I have a hard time believing genome corruption could be any sort of upstream driver of aging. Genomic integrity is maintained generation after generation after generation in the germline. What would be so tough about doing the same for somatic cells?
I am just pointing out what the evidence is suggesting. There are many mechanisms by which genomic integrity may be compromised with age, and these are not necessarily driven by basic mutations. For example, every time a cell dies, some of its DNA is flushed into circulation as cell free chromatin particles. This can be taken up by other cells, and over time 'repaired' into longer sections of DNA, eventually being integrated within the legitimate DNA of the chromosomes. As cells are dying constantly, this may well be a real contributor to aging. Quiescent stem cells and germline cells may be somewhat protected in their niche, but not somatic cells. Also remember, sexual reproduction is a great filter for eliminating bad cells, so even if you had a high burden of mosaicism in sex cells, any cells too compromised would not produce young.
Mark you are right in fact cell free chromatin particles from billions of dying cells causes double strand DNA breaks. This was recently reported in this paper:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-21388-w
Thanks for the link to the article Akshay. I has implication for RIR as well. Michael
Akshay, it is indeed a fascinating paper. Rather than pursuing the R-Cu remedy, however, it would seem to me that preventing cell death in the first place would be a better therapy. Yes, DSBs are common, but they are also repaired (to a greater degree in the young). For example, SIRT6 is known for its role in such repair. I am reminded of the turning off of repair functions at maturity in nematodes via H3K27me3. And this reminds me that DNA methylation is not the sum total of epigenetics - histone modification and chromatin remodeling are also at work and modifiable. All of which remind me that it is hard to argue that reversal of at least some aspects of aging is not possible.
Maybe the young can clear them out Akshay, but don't forget more phagocytes means more phagocytes dying doing their job - so more cfChPs. Immune cells are probably one of the biggest contributors to cfChPs.
I expect we'll find various things that increase oxidative stress in the blood are beneficial for clearing out cfChPs - exercise for example, even moderate alcohol consumption.
But let's say we can stop this contributor to aging via some combination like resveratrol+Cu, exercise, etc, we still have the problem of the accumulated DNA garbage that has now integrated into various cells. It is irreversible without replacing the cell, and the older we are, the more cells we'll have in that state.
Mark, do you have any strategies to increase telomerase?
The best way I can think of to replace old, dysfunctional cells is conditional reprogramming. There are a number of in vitro studies on this. You combine a rho kinase inhibitor and a telomerase activator. Fir in vivo application (age reversal!) there are a few hurdles. Thus far 'rock' inhibitors are only available for eye conditions, but can probably be repurposed. Small molecule telomerase activators also do not yet produce sufficient telomerase, but it may be possible to boost this significantly by increasing the various stages of telomerase creation and activity( TERT and TERC upregulation from gene, increased rate of combination in nucleolus, etc).
Some good ideas, thanks. Perhaps using multiple telemorase activators will increase the overall effect.
I periodically take valsartan 20mg and fluvastatin 10mg for this very reason.
I use the "Gerosense" app which calculates biological age and resilience and can confirm it improved my resilience to that of a 40 year old and I am 61.
n=1 I know, but still.
"Low-Dose Fluvastatin and Valsartan Rejuvenate the Arterial Wall Through Telomerase Activity Increase in Middle-Aged Men"
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26214555/
Interesting, I never thought to check my own meds but it seems that studies have shown that Atorvastatin and Perindopril also increase telomerase activity.
Yes, we've talked about the statin/sartan combo before; do you take it for a month once per 6 months?
I believe we can do much better than this as this combo is only indirectly hitting the targets we want (hence the long dosing period).
Thanks for the heads up on the App; I've lost all faith in methylation tests so have been looking for an alternative.
Interesting and didactic post Josh. Nice to see that the metioned paper is concording with Harold conclusions.
As usual I have many questions. But I will ask jus 2.
a) Do you expect any paracrine effect on the topical E5 trial? Or will the topical aplication restricted to some small area of skin? I wonder that thinking of skin as the largest organ in our body. If the trial was in the whole body or in a big part of it, and so many cells were tuned to a younger gene expression, its secretome would of course change and being skin a huge organ, its propotional amount of secretome would be very important, and perhaps could balance or interact significantly wiht the old secretome of the rest of the cells. But perhaps this is an odd idea, I don't know.
b) When do you expect to start the human trials?
And thanks Akshay and this time Harold as well, for taking the time to answer, explain and repport about the process. I think we all are fascinated about it.
And Merry Christmas!
Hi Ines yes there should be paracrine effects. Application on entire available skin area should certainly have systemic effects: primary would be drop in inflammation levels in the 50+ age group and chronic inflammation is the precursor to most mortal diseases so it should provide some level of protection against such diseases as well. In the first human trial though we are only replicating what Harold had done: apply on the back of one hand.
Thank you Akshay, as kind as always.
If you expect such effects, topical use in whole body would be a window to offer advantages of a medecine in disguise of a cosmetic/cold cream and skip FDA (and other regulators that we have in Europe). Those would be good news.
Good luck with the trials!
Reading Akshay’s response to the possible paracrine effect it made me think of half measures and an idea that might be totally impractical to shorten the time to clinical trials. So if there is a paracrine effect and there is excellent safety data from the topical trial, I wonder if instead of going through larger animal studies (or in addition to them) there would be a possibility of creating an alternative formulation that has a closer to systemic effect, such as the aerosolized E5 you talked about along with a tailored treatment regimen, but is a less dramatic leap than going to injections of E5 in humans. Maybe with safety data from such a trial you could get a more direct path to making approval for a full trial of E5 seem appropriate to the FDA sooner.
Adam it’s a good suggestion and it probably can be done for topical E5 but if it’s entering the bloodstream which aerosolized E5 would then FDA will want to give its approval through extensive clinical trials. The only short cut could be topical E5 which may be used in a different way by biohackers assuming it’s safe to do that.