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G.What is the average good wage in the Tamil country ? What about other parts of the continent.
What is the rate of taxation locally and nationally or is it one tax rate. Is business tax at a different rate ?
Dear all,
I would like to give this information now that recently in a temple in the city of kancheepuram, Tamilnadu, a brahmin (purohit) was arrested because he was luring the girls and women who came to worship the God to have sex with him and that too inside the prahaaram (sanskrit) karuvarai (tamil) where the statue of God was installed. Just becos he was closing the curtain to do bad deeds…does he think that SNIP (SUPER NATURAL INVISIBLE POWER) has closed its eyes tightly or can the pandit or the brahmin hide everything from the SNIP? Two years before the most respected hindu brahmin the head of the so called hinduism was arrested for murdering a fellow purohit, the reason behind the murder was that he was exposing his bad deeds in the temple. It shows there are good hearted brahmins too. So we should dig out the “ROOT” of the problems and reform the society. It is the “MUST” thing that can bring wonders. People should be educated first of all and they should start thinking that doing good things in life and be a good hearted person and medidation and yoga to control life (thanking Siva, the founder of yoga and the siddha medicine and its uniqueness) and leave everything to SNIP can bring peaceful life. We can pray at home or in a hall of meditation. If people are with extra money then they should help handicapped people, send it to old age homes or help people who are really in need to get their blessings.
Hi
I have read your comments. I appreciate your point of view. I also believe in some of the points. I know that Tamil was known as Tamizh and one of the most ancient language. It was there since bronze age. You would be amazed to know that Tamil or other Dravadian languages did not link to any other language group. These languages are also not diluted. They have not borrowed from other languages. In fact Sanskrit was much affected by Dravadian tongues.
Having said that i need to tell you that i am from UP. I don’t know any Dravadian language. I speak Hindi and that too not in its purest form. But, that gives me no reason not to be proud of Dravid culture and people and languages of South India.
I would request you to do the same. There may be a debate that whether Sanskrit or Tamizh is oldest, but no one can deny the influence of Sanskrit on other major languages. More than 3 billion people speak Anglo-European languages and Sanskrit is the oldest of them all (maybe even mother of them).
I am not here to debate. I just want you to respect every aspect of this great country. We have differences. But that’s what makes us unique. Its our strength. You said that India is a country of beggars. You said that its because of temples and brahmins. I too agree with you. But what have you done to improve the conditions here?
Isn’t it your duty to free your country from beggary or any other shackles preventing its development? Instead you are creating petty differences here. We don’t want another Thakrey. We do not want another Kashmir. In a country where politicians rule by divide and rule, citizens must remain united. So please stop all this nonsense about Tamizh vs Sanskrit and South Indians vs Aryans. Because both of them are great. None is superior to other. And most importantly, they all are part of INDIA!
Jai Hind.
Dear Arpit,
I read your comments. I want you to again and again read our comments there we want to stress upon the point that tamizh should not be erased from the history by the “influence of sanskrit or any other language”. Becos when all other languages have given space for sanskrit they may loose their own mother tongue in future. They have their own words in place of sanskrit and since they have started using sanksrit or even english the coming generation may not be knowing what is the exact mother word which they should use. For example, the tamil word “thappithu odinaan” in english “he escaped” but these days most of the tamzians use “escape” with a comic tone, if it continues then the child born today wont know the exact tamizh word in future. Do u get my point? When i say malayalam is full of purest tamizh words like “kuzhaithu, “ozhugi” etc. means they are using it still but we dont actually.
While appreciating my mother tongue and its purity i also respect other languages. How many punjabis in delhi want to speak in punjabi u tell me..they would always talk in either english or in hindi. when i was working in delhi a punjabi gentleman appreciated me for using his language and he was upset about the fact that his people do not want to use their mother tongue. When talking about punjabis i am sorry to say that they are losing their rich culture. It is their job to teach the young punjabi teenagers to follow good culture and respect their mother tongue. They dont know how to respect a relation with purest thoughts. When i say “most of them” it means out of 100 ..60% of them. The remaining 40% still want to be honest and respect their good culture. I guess mainly becos ofverexposure of films and stories with vulgarity. Teachings about respecting rich culture and morals and good relations would only bring back these teenagers from following bad things in life.
Before talking about thackeray did you ever think about Rajnikant (Marati), Ajit(sindhi), Khushboo (muslim), Arjun(kannadiga), Sham (muslim), Arya (malayali), Sarat Babu (a UP brahmin), Jeeva Choudhry, Ramesh Choudhry and many of them have been successful in the film industry of tamil land. Can you ever say that we have stopped them from coming in and show their talent? Never. I wrote about the destruction of a rich culture by the influence of people with bad nature. Becos we want our tamizh brothers and sisters to follow good culture and know about its antiquity. Thats it!! Wherever people with good nature if they oppose the influence of bad culture. We also want to do that. Do you have problem? u should not complain.
When i say that an old man is pulling a rickshaw and earning may be Rs.200/- a day for a family of 5 members then why people go and give an Invisible God money? Cant that money be used to remove the poverty of the people. They have been worshipping but did they ever stop sunami or any other natural calamity? Cant the poor people be used to clean the temples and keep them as an architectural value and beauty and paid for their job. New jobs can be created. Just like Taj Mahal the temples can be kept as marvellous structures for people to visit and appreciate. If God is omniscient then in a city a single place of worship is enough for people to medidate and pray. Why hundreds of them? I guess you dont get my point. “I give importance to the sweat of a poor man than the sweatof a brahmin” in a temple who can very easily earn by chanting manthras and do it a like job. Why dont they allow a non-brahmin to chant manthras? Even if they allow no non-brahmin is here ready to cheat people. Its all about the nature of the person. When the brahmins have made all variations among people then do they think ever about where the rice and lentils, vegetables and fruits come from? Who are the people touching them and passing them to reach the market? Are the brahmins put dettol or phynoil to clean them before eating them?
I can only see bright light and improvement for india only when all brahmins stop cheating people around and disperse the money and other valuables in temples to feed the poor people. They are pouring liters and liters of milk and honey to clean the statues. Cant the milk be given to the poor children of india who could not afford to get it?
Let them all be hungry and die.
I also must say our corrupt political system is one another reason for the poverty of india. The politicians whichever party they are in want money, money and money. All want sophisticated life. Rich people of india are they ready to give 20% of their income to the poor people to educate them and feed them when they are hungry?
I would never talk about a separate land for tamizh. But i would also keep on telling about the efforts to make it survive and be alert. We have already lost our tamizh land (Elangai or Sri Lanka) to the people from some other place. Do you know the facts or not? I am sorry u are not informative. I dont want to read about history. But allowing people with nasty mind and exploitative nature should be warned and its in the hands of police officials to stop people from doing exploitation. We tamizians always welcomed all the culture in our state and still welcoming and want to mingle but certainly dont want to spoil our culture full of good tradiitions and morals. If we tamizhians show our anger against exploitation then that means the very ROOT of the problems should be pulled out not the people. So many bad people have changed their mind just becos of a poem or just becos of of song then why cant they just becos of my writings? Belive there is an invisible super natural power that is watching us but do not cheat the people using its name.
Those people who cheat indians whether they are brahmins or the politicians or the fradulent rich people they are all not part of india but they are the TRAITORS in India and they are the reasons for the under development of our country.
Dear Arpit,
I read your comments. I want you to again and again read our comments there we want to stress upon the point that tamizh should not be erased from the history by the “influence of sanskrit or any other language”. Becos when all other languages have given space for sanskrit they may loose their own mother tongue in future. They have their own words in place of sanskrit and since they have started using sanksrit or even english the coming generation may not be knowing what is the exact mother word which they should use. For example, the tamil word “thappithu odinaan” in english “he escaped” but these days most of the tamzians use “escape” with a comic tone, if it continues then the child born today wont know the exact tamizh word in future. Do u get my point? When i say malayalam is full of purest tamizh words like “kuzhaithu, “ozhugi” etc. means they are using it still but we dont actually.
While appreciating my mother tongue and its purity i also respect other languages. How many punjabis in delhi want to speak in punjabi u tell me..they would always talk in either english or in hindi. when i was working in delhi a punjabi gentleman appreciated me for using his language and he was upset about the fact that his people do not want to use their mother tongue. When talking about punjabis i am sorry to say that they are losing their rich culture. It is their job to teach the young punjabi teenagers to follow good culture and respect their mother tongue. They dont know how to respect a relation with purest thoughts. When i say “most of them” it means out of 100 ..60% of them. The remaining 40% still want to be honest and respect their good culture. I guess mainly becos ofverexposure of films and stories with vulgarity. Teachings about respecting rich culture and morals and good relations would only bring back these teenagers from following bad things in life.
Before talking about thackeray did you ever think about Rajnikant (Marati), Ajit(sindhi), Khushboo (muslim), Arjun(kannadiga), Sham (muslim), Arya (malayali), Sarat Babu (a UP brahmin), Jeeva Choudhry, Ramesh Choudhry and many of them have been successful in the film industry of tamil land. Can you ever say that we have stopped them from coming in and show their talent? Never. I wrote about the destruction of a rich culture by the influence of people with bad nature. Becos we want our tamizh brothers and sisters to follow good culture and know about its antiquity. Thats it!! Wherever people with good nature if they oppose the influence of bad culture. We also want to do that. Do you have problem? u should not complain.
When i say that an old man is pulling a rickshaw and earning may be Rs.200/- a day for a family of 5 members then why people go and give an Invisible God money? Cant that money be used to remove the poverty of the people. They have been worshipping but did they ever stop sunami or any other natural calamity? Cant the poor people be used to clean the temples and keep them as an architectural value and beauty and paid for their job. New jobs can be created. Just like Taj Mahal the temples can be kept as marvellous structures for people to visit and appreciate. If God is omniscient then in a city a single place of worship is enough for people to medidate and pray. Why hundreds of them? I guess you dont get my point. “I give importance to the sweat of a poor man than the sweatof a brahmin” in a temple who can very easily earn by chanting manthras and do it a like job. Why dont they allow a non-brahmin to chant manthras? Even if they allow no non-brahmin is here ready to cheat people. Its all about the nature of the person. When the brahmins have made all variations among people then do they think ever about where the rice and lentils, vegetables and fruits come from? Who are the people touching them and passing them to reach the market? Are the brahmins put dettol or phynoil to clean them before eating them?
I can only see bright light and improvement for india only when all brahmins stop cheating people around and disperse the money and other valuables in temples to feed the poor people. They are pouring liters and liters of milk and honey to clean the statues. Cant the milk be given to the poor children of india who could not afford to get it?
Let them all be hungry and die.
I also must say our corrupt political system is one another reason for the poverty of india. The politicians whichever party they are in want money, money and money. All want sophisticated life. Rich people of india are they ready to give 20% of their income to the poor people to educate them and feed them when they are hungry?
I would never talk about a separate land for tamizh. But i would also keep on telling about the efforts to make it survive and be alert. We have already lost our tamizh land (Elangai or Sri Lanka) to the people from some other place. Do you know the facts or not? I am sorry u are not informative. I dont want to read about history. But allowing people with nasty mind and exploitative nature should be warned and its in the hands of police officials to stop people from doing exploitation. We tamizians always welcomed all the culture in our state and still welcoming and want to mingle but certainly dont want to spoil our culture full of good tradiitions and morals. If we tamizhians show our anger against exploitation then that means the very ROOT of the problems should be pulled out not the people. So many bad people have changed their mind just becos of a poem or just becos of of song then why cant they just becos of my writings? Belive there is an invisible super natural power that is watching us but do not cheat the people using its name.
Those people who cheat indians whether they are brahmins or the politicians or the fradulent rich people they are all not part of india but they are the TRAITORS in India and they are the reasons for the under development of our country
Not only natural disasters like earthquake and tsunami makes the people affected one and make them the beggars, but also so many cruel hearted humans innocent and supportless humans becomes beggars. After tsunami in chennai in december, 2004, so many pimps from north india came here to lure the tamizhian innocent girls and women (source: newspaper) and i have seen dont want to say, the so called Gods of india make the poor tamizhian girls vanish away, i have seen the mother’ tears to bring back her daughter and she was sent back to her home…Who will give answers to her tears? God wont come down on earth to save these people. Painful eyes and sorrowful faces this is what the poor tamizhians have been so far.. No sivan and No parvati and No murugan would come for them. They are all uneducated and helpless. Temples are nothing but the place for minting money. Heartless humans chanting inside for the welfare of their own families. I am not talking NONSENSE.
sorry the poor servant maid never came back to her mother. There was a mistake. Her mother was helpless. It happened so many years before. I cant forget that incident. The fate of so many innocent girls and women both rich and the poor of india still a mystery.
Dear readers, please visit the given below website of Mrs. Jennifer Kumar for details about the language Tamizh.
ttp://alaivani.com/Blog/tabid/56/EntryID/191/Default.aspx
Thank you.
Retards
Mr. X, thanks for paying attention to our comments. Keep reading and get out of corrupt culture and follow good people. May the Supernatural invisible power bless u!!!
G. Are you an Indian or Hindu.Do you use these terms to describe yourself in the world?Racially are you Caucasoid or Australoid.True Tamils are Caucasian.
Dear Mr.X,
I think you are more informative than me. I want to “describe myself as “Human belong to the tamizhan race” i was fair but brown coloured now becos of climatic conditions”. Thank you.
Dear Mr.X,
Wherever in the world i may be i would call myself first of all as an “Indian” becos i was born and brought up in this particular region on earth. The word “Hindu” came from the word “Sind” the province where our ancestors were once upon time living. The foreigners who invaded began to call the people of this province “Hindus” becos they could not spell the word “Sind” correctly. The word “Hinduism” is nothing but the way in which the people here worshipping so many God, The followers of “Buddha” are called Buddist and their religion is “Buddhism”. Followers of Jesus Christ are called “Christians”. But, since in India we have so many Gods and Avataars we can not follow a particular person with miracles to use his name to represent our religion. By the grace of the Aryans so many Gods have been introduced to fool them all we are generally called the followers of “Hinduism”. By the way what is this “ism”? ….Very very funny..hehehe. If i follow “Shirdi Saibaba” then my religion should be called “Saibaism”
Dear X, I was taught to speak soon after birth in “thamizh” becos my mother was a thamizian and was teaching me this language. I dunno really what kind of and where my exact ancestors were. But since i know the richness of my culture and language and traditions and Sages and scholars of thamizh literature i am here to support the views for its “survival”. I dont want to say after 10 years, “Once upon a time there was a thamizian culture and thamizh was their language”. I dont disrespect any other language of this world. I would like to learn them all for knowledge to know their culture and traditon as well. hmmmm.
hell with all kinds of titles and terms, i am a human :)
Yesterday i went to a tamilian home where they paid an aryan (brahmin) Rs.12,000/- for chanting manthras that too for 2 hours only. They paid this amount without understanding what he was actually uttering. The family think that if they make the brahmins do the pujas at home then they would live happily forever. Who can ever come to teach these people? Cant a tamilian learn the same manthras in sanskrit and recite them as a brahmin? even if he learn then also no one is going to invite him and pay him huge amount, becos he would not be treated as “God” also. By the way, where do the brahmins go to have bath and use toilet? Are they going to heaven daily or what?
A tamilian if he is attached to his language then he should call a person who would recite Thirukural at home or verses written by Thirumoolar or Maanikavasakar or any other Saint. They were all great scholars of tamil language. They are IMMORTAL. A person if he is adamant about calling a person to recite an unknown verses and treat him like God and pay him money then let him do and die. As far as temples are filled up with money and jewelleries, the people would have to face Naxalites, Maoists, terrorists the names they are given, poverty would remain forever. Is there any who would disperse money kept in hundals of the temples to fill up the stomach of poor people? Ok. visit the temples and pay for an invisible god and be an underdevelped country forever. India is infact “Country of Beggars”. No one can snatch this title from it by any means as far as temples and brahmins are alive. Temples so ancient are to be kept as place of Architectural value for people to visit not a place to loot the money. Give respect to tamil and tamilians.
Dear Rasigan & Geeta
I am really happy with your comments.It was really interesting and indeed explores the geniunity of Tamizh language to native dupes(Telugu & Kannadiga brotheren) and outsiders (Aryans,in Tamizh Ari yan (Unknown person).I request you to putforward some information for the kind notice of aforementioned group.So that,they would get to know the denying Tamizh is similar to denying their Mother or doubting their birth!
My personal obligation:Kindly forward more information about Tamizh to [email protected] forward the e-copy of Devaneya Pavanars “The primary classical languages of the world “(if available either in tamizh or English)
Thanks a lot my brotheren…long live Tamizh
Dear Abdul,
Thanks for the comments. Eid mubarak to you. I am not an expert about the language “tamizh”. I appreciate you for pronouncing it very correctly in purest form. I think i should learn from you. Very sadly these days the younger generations are not pronouncing the tamizh words correctly. Even the comedy actor vadivelu is also not pronouncing them correctly. I take this opportunity to inform the people whoever is watching vadivelu should not copy him. The tamil teachers in school and colleges should take measures to educate the students about the correct prounciation of each letter of tamizh.
ok. now….the aryans or the brahmins after their immediate invasion into our culture started making casteism, forward caste, backward and scheduled caste and very trying to neglect the people with darker skin tone and they were denied to do the jobs of high value in nature. How cruel they are..not only they invaded but also were introducing caste system. They began to capture the post where they can sit and earn comfortably and the people were formed into different groups, the business groups, the keepers of accounts, the people to clean the lavatrine and drainage, the people to stitch shoes and slippers and lot more groups were formed just becos of aryans. They took the very much comfortable white collar jobs and ofcourse the the most comfortable job of chanting sanskrit verses in the temples. Even they made another group of people who would make temples. so the division of everything started by none other but the culprits brahmins,
The aryans introduced Dahej in hindi or varadakhshina the money a girl should pay the boy who would marry her. What kind of nonsense system. Why should a girl who would take the whole responsibility of the family after marriage pay? Mentally and physically also she is abused and she is tortured for more and more dahej (money) and the girls commit suicide becos her poor parents could not pay the money or the girls are murdered by her in-laws. So, what we have seen so for many years, decades passed aryans have spoiled completely the whole culture of not only south india but also the whole india. Are we not the foolish people to follow these rituals by closing our eyes and letting our brain inactive. We should feel ashamed of ourselves for making these aryans ruling still. Why dont we abolish all kinds of nonsense customs introduced by the aryans?
ok, now abdul what can not you find out in google?. I can find anything and all on google except my lovable father and my adorable uncles they are no more on this earth. I think Mr.Rasigan may help you for all queries. As i said i am not an expert about the tamil literature but i can use my brain to expose the bad deeds of aryans. Thanks to internet for allowing me to express my emotions and facts. Lastly i would like to say that your religion is not influenced by the aryans and you people are the luckiest to use your brain and follow that the creator of this world is an invisible power…but peacful methods may please be followed and the glory of selfless love may please be taught to the youngsters for good life. bye. alvida.
Dear Geeta!
Thanks for your kind wishes and also,wish you the same “Perunaal Vazhtukkal”.I really appreciate your indepth & reverent effort taken for expressing unbiased comments in this forum.I really feel very sad about the poor unity of Dravidians(Telugu,Kannadiga ,Malayali brothern) while it comes to support Tamil language.Only because of their disunity ,our Patriots fail to receive the independent Dravidian nation Dravidistan from the imperialist English.It is very pity that aforementioned dravidian group didnot sense that they are enslaved by Hindians.If their support was likely rendered before independence ,we might have got Dravidistan with 4 South Indian states With Tamizh as the National Language.Still,As a consequence ,we are ruled by Hindians.
It is really pathetic to stay in Hindian influence in north.I am now working in Delhi but I have wide experience of travelling in hindi spoken belt as well as in south.Hindians are very cunning and they want to travel easily all over India and make easy business ,so,they tried to make Hindi as National Language but it was dropped because of Hindi Agitation in Tamizhagam(Thanks to Tamizh Politicians).It is just an official language like other Indian languages.Also,these Hindians comes to South and they may even stay 4r more than a decade but deny to learn our South Indian languages?Our South Indians and North east people should learn a lesson from this.Even they come to south they continue to speak in hindi and they even abstain to use english to localites.But we people when stay in north,we are atleast trying to talk in broken hindi…? even in our land we are responding to them in their Language.are they trying our languages?when we deny Hindi in our land ,thy told ,we r very selfish over language or zero tolerant but reality is that the are trying to indoctrinate their language and culture in biased manner.Will they accept to keep tamizh as the National language of India…?since,Tamizh is the oldest ,purest of Indian origin? as compared to sanskrit(mix of persion,European and Dravidian.).Here truth is under valued..that is indeed truth.They are highly poor tolerant and Hindi chauvinist.So, every north east and south indians should nullify the effect of Hindi supremacy.To be frank,there is no growth through Hindi,Even ,I STAYED IN urdu spoken hyderabad for an year and now i am staying in delhi for more than a year but i am runnin g my days and bread and butter with only English,even, i stop myself from speaking hindi maximum occasions and even, I didnt learn hindi..because i didnt find any growt through Hindi,so ,there is no need of Hindi to study in Tamizh nadu schools or other South indian schools.If u geniunely feel the need of language then you can learn..no taboos..So,be cautious of Hindians and their hypnotism….
Dear Abdul Saheb,
Thanks for writing about your opinions. Yes, indeed that hindi speaking people generally most of the north indians think of themselves always as the superior one just becos of their fair skin. What is in a skin actually? nothing, It will also mingle with the sand as any of the body of a person with dark skin. only the good actions of a person always speaks. If a north indian keeps hatred against a south indian just becos of skin colour then he should not talk about India and its independance and he should not talk about the British rule even. Though there are so many gem of persons in north indian I have found so far most of the north indians earn by fraudulent methods trafficking of girls and women, drugs, cheating people around by the help of the local people here in chennai or any other states of south india or any other place of india.
If a south indian is helping a north indian to make her or his own sisters to be a prostitute then they are the real criminals. They should feel ashamed of themselves for helping a north indian.
The north indians most of them are wealthy not becos of honest ways but becos of short cut earnings. you can not find the punjabi girls working as servant maids anywhere but they would be the first one to flirt around with boyfriend to earn quick money. They want easy money by all means. I have seen them flirting with boss of my office while we south indians were working hard. I have observed them a lot, just to buy a new handbag or a new pair of slippers they flirt around. Just to fill up their stomach in a restaurent they flirt around. The girls are generally very very bold about this matter. They can not sit for 8 hours to earn salary, becos they want the money in 1 hour time being cheap.
But when the employer of the office want such girls in their office then who would ever stop them? it is their culture Want of money and sex are the main reasons for them to go on wrong way. Though the boss would respect a south indian for being honest and hardworking he would not at any cost leave the chance of flirting with a punjabi girl.
In north india i also found out a girl belong to uttar pradesh would not be ready to flirt around. While comparing delhi to lucknow, i have found out that the people of lucknow are very much simple and conservative with helping tendancy too. But the culture in delhi is the worst. No girl is there without a boyfriend and some girls have boyfriends, numbers of them. So there is no dignity for a relationship and often their relationship comes to an end in 2 or 3 months and they dont care also about the ending of a relationship. Becos they can find again. Marriage has become almost a licence for them all. After marriage also they start to flirt with others. Dress culture is another important thing to be discussed here. When north indians mostly the punjabi girls wear a dress that makes a guy to flirt around with her. Is it not the way of luring a guy? wont they ever feel guilty of what they are doing? A indian girl should always dress up in a decent manner. The punjabis comes here to chennai to populariase this culture and if a tamilan girl does not follow then they start to humiliate her. Why a girl is not allowed to be decent and cultured? these are the serious matters to be think about. They are actually spoiling our conservative culture and brainwash them to go on wrong track.
So far tamilian culture has been spoiled becos of bad cultured people who visit here and becos of tamil films with vulgarity and bad advise by pimps in disguise of decent people so many girls have started cheating around. Only the parents and the teachers and counselling about good morals can only make them again follow their good traditions.
Among south indian languages, tamil is the only language not influenced by sanskrit so far fully. It has retained its originality. Other languages like kannada, telugu and malayalam (the original malayalam is called “Kadum Tamizh” the purest tamizh) have a lot of space to enter sanskrit. This shows how effectively the aryans have influenced them all. How cunningly they have entered into all the cultures. If a person is boasting about his knowledge about sanskrit or hindi is not a person to feel proud about his mother tongue. But he is a slave.
one year i went “Sripuram” an ashram like structure constructed beautifully occupying vast area was open to all. No charges. It was free for all to enter. But they have started charging for a darshan of a so called swami there now. Even then people go there spending money. He is a brahmin a person who would do all the duties like any of us do at home. But he is treated as a God. Dont the brahmins change their culture when the technology changes. They are riding bikes and mopeds to reach temples to chant manthras. They are using computers too. Very funny and indeed so sad to think that the dravidians are not ready to open their eyes. They had been suppressed, still under their domination and it seems will be also in future.
As far as an indian is respected just becos of his spontaneous speaking of english or hindi, we all indians feel ashamed of ourselves for being slaves stll and treating fellow indians in a bad way also.
My “kind wishes” are always with you Abdul aiyya.
Dear Ms.Geeta & Mr.Rasigan,
I really appreciate your comments to bring light the reality of Dravidian(Tamil) language,culture and tradition to outsiders(Aryan,in Tamil (ARI YAN-Unknown person) & native dupes(our Telugu and Kannidaga brotherhood).I really feel very sad that our dravidian brothren are denying or denigrading the truth of Tamil language and blindly ingratiating dead sanskrit.I request you to post similar kind of rational comments to reveal the geniune nature of Tamil to the world.Also,I humbly oblige you forward some more the information about Tamil to E-mail Id:[email protected] A LOT FOR YOUR HARDWORK.
Let Thamizh flourish for ever and ever
Aryan means noble this is what we have seen on internet or the meaning unknown person..it is not the truth. In the ancient period “ariyaanam” was the place where the tamizhan culture was very much active thereafter unknown people entered and they changed its name into haryaana. Aran was worshipped in that area once upon a time, he is also called as murugan or kumaran, the protector of water. Since, they the unknown people had different way of prounouncing words they had changed everything. They had added “h” to Ariyaanam and called it “haryaana”. We say Raakul, they say Raahul. The holy city “Haridwar” was once upon a time “Arithuwaaram” again Murugan or Ari was worshipped in that area, today it is no more tamizhan land. Arithuwaaram, thuwaaram means the gateway, ie the gateway of lord Ari…lord murugan. The world would not accept our points.
I really want to thank you all for all this amazing information, im not Indian though, im Mexican but i have been living in India for 2 years, currently in Chennai and i can see the purity of the Tamil people, is amazing how the western world is getting so badly influenced by materialistic things and sex, and sometimes when you live surrounded by that kind of mentality you think is the only way of life….living here in India and sharing with Tamil people has opened my mind to a whole new way of looking at things, and let me tell you, is a relief to know that there are still people that see life with respect, values, morals and love for fellow human beings and for animals. Thank you all
Dear Patz,
Welcome to our tamil land. Thanks for your valuable comments. You know what… as a tamilian i have not even studied fully the “Thirukural” written by the Sage Thiruvalluvar. He was a scholar of tamil language and his writings about morals and good ways to lead the life explained each of them amazingly in two lines was a world famous Sage. It is translated in many more languages. His statue is installed there in kanyakumari the deep south by the grace of the Chief Minister of Tamilnadu Mr.Karunanidhi. Not only thirukural but also the writings of Thirumoolar, Maanikavasakar, Agasthiyar the first siddhar of 18 siddhars to have introduced the “siddha medicine” to the world in written form are all precious treasure to be kept forever. Many of them known and unknown for the present day generation..they were all gems.
Tamilian life was a controlled life with tradition and good culture. A conservative or a traditional or a homely tamil woman would always get up early in the morning to have a bath first of all to clean her doorway entrance and make kolam (a type of art to enhance the beauty of the entrance to the home). It is followed in other states of south india also. Thereafter she would lit up vilakku.. a light to glow before the photo or statue of God. Thereafter she would make food and her daily duties. But it can not be followed today as it has become a faster life but definitely followed religiously in the villages and the remote cities far away from the ever changing modern cities.
Want of money and sex have made people to go on wrong track. When they would ever stop thinking about having sophisticated life through short cut or fradulent methods and follow honest ways to have a life full of contentment to fulfil their basic needs then only this world would be peaceful.
Modern culture of having boyfriend and girlfriend is a new threat to have entered our tamil culture. The girls are duped many times and so many of them hide everything from their parents and they are not bold enough to report to the society to stop exploitation. If it continues then there wont be any control in life. When our mind goes on right path then there would be no need for Ashrams and Swamis. They always attach the name “Anand” (happiness) with their name…but in reality they have “Anand” indeed by exploiting the depressed people and the little bit “Anandam” of the people who follow them vanish away forever and they would become much more depressed again and they would keep on entering into the ashrams. Harmful drugs are used in the ashram to stop the consciousness of people to exploit them.
If God is omnipresent then how can anyone lock him in a temple. He is an omnipotent and have all wealth. Why would God ever need money from his creations? A small flower is enough to please God than load of flowers. Lots and lots of exploitations are happening in the name of religion and people should open their eyes to see the exploiters and teach them a lesson. God would stay in our heart when it is so pure. The whole earth was created by a Supernatural Invisible Power which has no form at all. Since humans want to communicate and share they are in need of a statue. If it is necessary then it should be followed with pure thoughts with selfess efforts.
When man has already reached moon then he can reach so many planets to explore!!!
Sage Agathiyar not Agasthiyar.
i hope one day you would change to lead a life full of peace and progress with good health :) May the Almighty bless you Mr.Patz.
Siva a man who was made a “God” by the dravidians (facts are needed) or by the aryans (for selfish purposes) was a vegetarian. When he introduced the “YOGA” to the people for controlling all five senses for disease free and clean life, how can Agori babas made him as a non-vegetarian. A cannibal is considered as Siva in india. What a foolish country and foolish people!! We wont develop at all. Remain fools forever.
The saivaitees,are the followers of Siva they are all vegetarians. How can a person who was leading a pious life of a “yogi” would ever be a non-vegetarian. Siva introduced all herbals for curing illness and he was a siddhar and his followers were all called siddhars and the medicine siva introduced to the world is called “Siddha”. Aryans have made efforts to hide this medical practise by stealing all written documents from the 18 Siddhars and later on introduced as “Ayurveda” to the world. This shows the aryans are by nature very very cunning and indisciplined people with bad nature.
Siva was a good hunter does not mean that he was a meat eater. He was spending his days in the forest and he was in need of a tiger skin to protect himself from the cool climate. He was following a life full of purity. The aryans have changed everything and written all rubbish to fool the people and just becos of their fairer skin began to suppress the people with brown or black coloured skin and began to call Siva as Shiva. Sanskrit has started taking place not only in tamilnadu the other states of south india as well.
Siva the word came from the tamil word “Sivappu”means red colour as siva was considered a man of Fire. (his mood angry when he was dancing violently in graveyard atmidnight “Rathiri or iravu thandavam (thandavam means stretching the body forward and jumping ) or nadanam or naatiyam ……or the aryans call it “Rudhrathandavam”) When siva was dancing he was dancing for the music introduced by the dravidans. Basically by birth the aryans are people of jealousiness and cunningness. They want to always rule the place wherever they are. They wont allow a dravidian to show his art to this world. Aryans with their dominating nature want to rule the whole south india in general.
Ancient tamizhian learnt all kinds of arts by himself…infact, he learnt watching nature, animals and birds… and the one bird that inspired much was the bird “cock”…i think when it makes the sound “cocadoodle doo”…the letter the tamizh letter “ka” came in and from cow “amma” the letter “a”…what made him create the remaining letters…..i wonder now, how did he learn to write a lot of literature by using such letters….it is amazing even now..for example “thirupaavai”, thirumanthiram”, thirukkural, naanmarai still unknown literatures….. etc.etc.
Siva a man who was made a “God” by the dravidians (facts are needed) or by the aryans (for selfish purposes) was a vegetarian. When he introduced the YOGA to the people for controlling all five senses for a disease free and clean life, people have made him as a non-vegetarian.
The “saivaitees”,are the followers of Siva they are all vegetarians. How can a person who was leading a pious life of a “yogi” would ever be a non-vegetarian. Siva introduced all herbals for curing illness and he was a siddhar and his followers were all called siddhars and the medicine siva introduced to the world is called “Siddha”. Aryans have made efforts to hide this medical practise by stealing all written documents from the 18 Siddhars and later on introduced as “Ayurveda” to the world. This shows the aryans are by nature very very cunning and indisciplined people with bad nature.
Siva was a good hunter does not mean that he was a meat eater. He was spending his days in the forest and he was in need of a tiger skin to protect himself from the cool climate. He was following a life full of purity. He was meditating for a peaceful mind. The aryans have changed everything and written all rubbish to fool the people and just becos of their fairer skin began to suppress the people with brown or black coloured skin and began to call Siva as Shiva. Siva the word came from the tamil word “Sivappu”means red colour as siva was considered a man of Fire. (his mood angry when he was dancing violently in graveyard at midnight “Rathiri or iravu thandavam (thandavam means stretching the body forward and jumping ) or nadanam or naatiyam ……or the aryans call it “Rudhrathandavam”) Siva was a man of powerful arts which are being used by us. When siva was dancing ofcourse music was also introduced by the dravidians for all kinds of movements and expressions. Basically by birth the aryans are people of jealous and cunningness. They want to always rule the place wherever they are.
They would never introduce a dravidan to the world to express his arts. Aryans or the brahmins want always to dominate the whole south india in general.
u had no idea about the fact that you would one day understand everything about “sivan”….yes!!!!! today i am with “truth”and revelation.
bujji gadu……this is not about which language is the oldest one but the “efforts to make it survive”. You kno that aryans have already entered not into our culture but yours as well and their nature of suppression and domination make us put lot of strain to keep the tamil language alive. When we talk about tamil does that mean that we degrade other languages. Everyone should feel proud about his mother tongue. You should also. Becos of the powerful muslim dynasty in your state the urdu language is widely used by people in andhra and thats why in order to communicate with the bussinessmen who can very well manage their business there becos of urdu, hindi has also become the “must language” in your state. That does not mean whoever is not speaking hindi is a fool. We can learn hindi when there is a need and there is no harm in learning it to gain knowledge. otherwise why should we people chase any other language when we have our own language. Just becos english has considered as the main communicative language for the whole world people are ready to learn it for progress and studies. Otherwise there is no need for english at all. The bottomline is you should be aware of more and more languages of this world for your knowledge at the same time keeping in mind the dignity of our mother tongue as well and be always alert about its survival.
Please dont use here abusive words to hurt people that wont lead you to peaceful life anywhere. Just appreciate anyone. No one is trying to hurt you or your language here.
Aryans arn”t the natural inhabitants of India , they are intruders, they were actually illiterate nomads who stepped in for food and shelter, later learnt the arts and literature from dravidians and the way of life (which is what is called Hinduism now) .
In a later period they came out with Sanskrit and the caste system, the asserts of Aryans. Later they fabricated Hinduisms” way of life, caste system was forced into Hinduism.
Later their ideas and fabrication was scattered all over.
Tamil language naturally influence Sanskrit when it was created because Tamil was the only reference the Aryans had before coming up with Sanskrit.
In the later medieval period, not to deny the fact Sanskrit did influence Tamil language with Sanskrit words like “sha” and “ha” being used in Tamil .
But in actual fact what Sanskrit is a language way much younger than Tamil.
Tamil language is a member of the Dravidian/ South Indian family of languages. The Dravidian languages are mother tongues of about a quarter of the Indian population. Though about 80% of the speakers are found within the borders of these four South Indian states, a number of Dravidian languages have been identified in other parts of South Asia. Among the tribal languages of Central India, almost extending to the borders of Bengal, distinct from the Austro-Asiatic family of languages, many Dravidian languages have been identified. The northern reaches of this family have been located in isolated settlements in Nepal and Pakistan. The Brahui speakers are found in the hills of Baluchistan, almost on the borders of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. So, the Dravidian family of languages is a South Asian family of languages in one sense. About 22 languages are classified as belonging to the Dravidian family and on linguisic criteria, sub-division as North, Central and South Dravidian are made. Tamils alone number about 60 million people.
An Introduction to the History of Tamil People
(by Prof. A. Velupillai)
kamasutra (lessons about sexual intercourse) was introduced by the aryans and they made it spread all over the world. The complete ruin of any rich culture started becos of these lessons about sex. there is no need at all for such things in the purest form of life. our body is perishable by nature. If there is no spirit in the body the body would start to spread bad smell very quickly. Thats it. Pure love or passion or compassion or affection or attachment are to be appreciated with good thoughts.
The aryans have spoiled the most respected conservative tamil culture. The tamil girls would never wholeheartedly enter the film world even to show their skin. They are very much homely and shy natured. only becos of extreme poverty or to show their talent thinking that “everything is fine” would enter the film world with innocence. otherwise they are by nature shy, very very hard working and honest to lead their life. But by the invasion of aryans their life is shattered and they are pushed to the corner to sit and die without exposing their good talents. They are taught to do wrong things. Even if a tamilian girl or a woman is suffering becos of a brahmin (aryan) then she or he is responsible for their bad deeds would face the punishment given by Almighty. The aryans have cleverly made the kings who ruled tamilnadu to make the temples with statues of sex appeal only to spoil the minds of the people. They have raped our rich Tamil culture so far. The invisible power that rules our earth can only give answers to all questions.
amazing point of view, i completely agree with you
Recently i read in a tamizh magazine, that the naked idols are kept in the hindu temples just to make the people aware about sex, because if they start thinking about Gods and religious matters they wont think about sex, so in order to make them realise about sex and create further the population, there is a need of such idols…..MY COMMENT….that is the foolish comment i have ever seen surely given by an aryan the magazine itself is full of aryans and their thoughts.
Without visiting temples and watching naked idols one can make himself purely romantic and love a girl. That would be definitely the PURE LOVE. The different sexual postures in temples are kept to corrupt the minds of people. Where divine atmosphere prevails, the mind should only immerse into the thoughts of God and his blessings. No other matter should cross and corrupt the mind. The basic priniciple of meditation is attaining a goal without diverting the mind. Pure love means showing love that would be without any other evil thoughts. It would come automatically, there is no need to stimulate the mind of the person by showing him vulgarity. Pure love means a soft flower, soft emotions, soft air, soft rhythm and soft atmosphere. Stop fooling the people and stop indulging in sexual activities inside the temple before the idols of Gods. Go to to your home and think about it and close the door. Stop spoiling the divinity of temples full of divine arts created by the painful fingers.
In the past, women who had never been to temples and worshipped at home only and very much devotional had more than 10 kids. NOTE THIS POINT.
Siva the talented person he was.. as a hunter, founder of siddha medicine, yoga and bharatnatyam is worshipped as God and he is a dravidian. Yoga is meant for inner peace and controlled life. Siva if he is alive would make all the aryans run out of tamilnadu. He is not alive to teach the aryans the lesson thats why the aryans are crossing their limits. The world has today come to know about the antiquity of siddha medicine and the richness of tamil language just becos of some people who were in need of the truth about the beginnings. The aryans are nothing but those who came for food and shelter in tamilnadu.
what aryans have in them. They can only spoil the language and the tamilians and their rich culture. Temples are built by the hard working people and they are in to exploit the dravidians. the easiest job on earth is to chant manthras and mint money. the aryans have taken this job cunnigly. they have already brainwashed the dravidians in a well planned manner and they are still exploiting without guilty conscience. Just becos of Ilaiyaraja and AR Rahman and some other non-brahmin talented people the world has come to know abut the glory of tamils culture. otherwise the talent of the tamilians was not shown becos of their partiality and their over domination in our culture.
The aryans dont have culture at all. They spoil the richest and conservative culutre of dravidians by their invasion. They are actually not fearing about God and they are chanting manthras in temples. How funny!!!
If you need rhythm in a language, then i think u have misunderstood the necessity of a language. its for communication and not for singing. Tamil is the oldest language in India. Accept it. It is the truth. Aryans spoke Snskrit. U say it is the language of god. Does it mean all dravidians had no god before aryans came into india for food and shelter. Further saying tamil language began in 1000AD is utter stupidity. The Kumari kandam and Lemuria kandam stretches back to 200,000BC. Read the report by UNESCO on Tamil to be older than Egyptian and Greek.
If you people do not want to understand the depth of language, please restrain from commenting bad about that language. Tamil is one of the oldest living language in the world. It has been researched to a greater extent and accepted. Sanskrit is also one of the oldest language but it has got nothing to do with Tamil We can call Sanskrit and Tamil are contemporary languages in India but which is oldest? No one knows. All other dravidian languages are derevative of Tamil. Please go through wikipedia at least before writing comments here.
Thanks and Regards,
Vinoth
as per the present situation The fact is “Tamils” are socially, economically backward class apart from that they look dark and lean and ugly/conservative with less exposure to world class things.as such If any weaker section of society like tamils cries out nobody wants to hear to it this is what happening to the tamil language and the tamils.the reason is the “Brahmins” (migrated to tamilnadu as aryansrace)they understand better.As scholors of north india they came to tamilnadu and started learning tamil language/culture and seperated themselves from the native tamils with the influence of the aryan kings.during this course of time the original scriptures would have been destroyed.so,thus the suppression of the tamils/tamil language continued for a longer time untill the PANDYAN/CHERA/CHOLA kings tookover.rest is history/glory of tamils art,architecture,literature,music,dance,culture,food etc.,the world witnessed today.well about “TELUGU” it is a modern language without any rules of GRAMMAR with lot of characters/alphabets.which reflects the mindset of teluguites.their quick adaptation to western interests.none of the present generation can speak telugu without an ENGLISH word.I bet you go and watch any TELUGU NEWS Channel for instance TV9!.So it is a dying language following sanskrit.