Last week, an article about the cell biology of fasting made headlines in the science news press. Valter Longo cites evidence that a 3-day fast can rejuvenate our immune systems, with broad anti-aging benefits. 4 or 5 days may be better yet.
Socially, I was a late bloomer, clinging too tightly to love, driving away partners until I was in my 20’s. I took a full year to allow Marsha into my heart. Four years later, she broke up with me, and it launched a full-scale spiritual crisis, beginning with three days in which I had no interest in eating.
Those of you who have probed my Aging Advice page know that I fast a day a week, water only from Wednesday evening to Friday morning. I have grown quite comfortable with this routine. I ease off other disciplines on Thursdays, take a day off from aerobic exercise, allow myself to sleep more and be less productive. I still do yoga, and like to take long walks on Thursdays.
But not since I was 28 have I fasted three days. Monday morning, I awoke with the thought that this is as good a time as any to begin a three-day fast. If I wait longer, I will have time for fear and worry. My mind will play tricks on me, making it harder than it has to be.
I first became acquainted with Valter Longo’s work when, in 2004, he published a remarkable paper in Journal of Cell Biology based on work he did on yeast cells for his dissertation almost a decade earlier. The results were considered so unlikely that it had taken him that long to convince a journal editor to take a chance and publish them. What Longo had discovered was that when he starved a colony of yeast cells, about 95% of the cells would commit suicide, using the controlled death mechanism of apoptosis. They would disassemble their proteins, dissolve the cell membranes, and turn themselves into food for the remaining 5%.
Impossible! replied the reviewers, schooled in traditional evolutionary theory. How could such an adaptation evolve? The colony must be closely related genetically, and how could the 5% be genetically different from the other 95%? And whatever that difference was, the 5% would pass on their genes, the genes of the 95% would perish, and the next generation would no longer have the suicide adaptation. We know this from basic theory, said the reviewers. Longo must have made a mistake in his biochemistry. These cells are not committing suicide – they are starving to death.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.*” The paper was returned to him over and over, demanding more and more validation that what he saw was really apoptosis. It took ten years before the paper was finally accepted for publication.
Today the fact that Longo discovered is widely accepted, though the message for evolutionary theory has yet to filter through. But Valter saw the full implication of his work: If yeast cells had failed to read the basic textbooks in population genetics, what other animals and plants might have been similarly negligent? Yeast cells are just one example of programmed death in the biosphere. I was honored and excited the following year when Valter invited me to join him and Vladimir Skulachev in a paper for Nature Genetics on Programmed and Altruistic Aging.
In the intervening decade, Valter has been a ubiquitous presence in the biology of aging and of caloric restriction. Of many creative innovations he has introduced, the one he is best know for is fasting as a cancer treatment. He has documented that a three-day fast before chemotherapy has a powerful and extraordinary effect on the metabolism: The body’s normal cells are in a heightened state of protection, and are much more resistant to chemical toxins. Hence the discomfort, headaches and nausea that generally accompany chemotherapy are attenuated – not to mention the long-term damage. At the same time, the cancer cells are sensitized by the fast, so that more of them are knocked out by the chemo treatment. This is a win-win for the patient, but Valter has undertaken a long and arduous campaign to convince oncologists that such a simple protocol could be so effective. Worst of all, no one can make a dollar from fasting.
And what of the rest of us, who don’t have cancer? This is the subject of Valter’s most recent work, that made science news headlines last week. He puts together evidence from mice and humans that the three-day fast is a boon for us as well. (Here is the full text, and here is an editorial in the same issue of Cell Stem Cell putting the article in context.)
Evidence in this week’s Longo Article
The experiment around which the paper is written involves depriving mice of food, then looking at the stem cell environment in their bone marrow. Fasting actually increases the number of active stem cells in the bone marrow, even as the circulating white blood count is down sharply. Two chemical signals are identified that mediate the process: Both IGF-1 and PKA are down-regulated with fasting.
IGF-1 (insulin-like growth factor) is an old friend, first discovered in worms in the 1990s, and later identified as a pro-aging hormone generally. PKA (protein kinase A) is less well known, and has many independent functions, de-activating several different signals by tacking on a phosphate group. The cell’s energy cycle uses ATP, which yields energy and is recycled in its low-energy form, AMP. Accumulation of AMP occurs when energy stores are low, and this signals a reduction in PKA.
The article makes a point that, though the benefits of long-term caloric restriction have been studied extensively, this kind of rejuvenation of the immune system has never been observed with CR alone.
Much of the article is theoretical, connecting decline of the immune system to many of the medical issues associated with aging. Arthritis and even Alzheimer’s disease are rooted in auto-immune reactions. The steep rise in cancer with age is believed to be related to the immune system’s failure to detect cancer in its early stages and to eliminate pre-cancerous cells. It is to be hoped that rejuvenating the immune system might have broad anti-aging effects.
Why does it work?
Evidence for programmed aging
In write-ups of this material, the failure of stem cells with age is described as “dysregulation”, and the reason the strategy works is attributed to a clearing out of damaged and ineffective immune cells from the blood, as they are converted by the body to food. Perhaps you have noticed that this makes little sense. Certainly Valter knows this better than anyone, given his history, but he has chosen not to fight the abstract battle about evolutionary theory, because he knows it would likely interfere with the credibility of his other, practical and life-saving work.
The point is that if the fasting body is able to rejuvenate and multiply the bone marrow cells that are responsible for blood and immunity (hematopoietic stem cells), then it is obvious that the body could do this as well or better when it has plenty to eat. If it wanted to. The fact that hardship and deprivation can induce the body to rejuvenate implies that aging is a programmed choice. Even when it looks as though the cells are suffering damage over time, that damage is entirely avoidable (indeed, repairable), and it is only with chemical switches that the repair mechanisms are turned off as we age. In PKA and IGF-1, Longo has identified two of the signals that keep the repair mechanisms dialed down, and make our health deteriorate with age.
Why is the body intent on killing itself? It is an adaptation for population regulation, a response to natural cycles of boom and bust in population size. When times are good, the population expands too fast. Aging is a way of slowing down the population boom. This is why we age more rapidly when there’s plenty to eat. In times of famine, there is already plenty of death, and the danger is the opposite – that the population might plunge to extinction. This is why aging backs off in the face of hunger. (Ideas in this paragraph are not yet standard evolutionary theory, but this is a theme that I have developed in computer simulation, and it is the core of my contribution to publications in the field.)
Fasting in Ancient Religious Traditions
Though they are not controlled and not founded in a knowledge of biological mechanisms, traditional writings nevertheless embody experience of large numbers of people over a long period of time, and I look to them for ideas, for cautions and confirmations. Before writing this piece, I had the impression that fasting was recommended in many religious traditions, and I eagerly googled associations with the 3000-year-old Ayurvedic (longevity) tradition of India. I was surprised to learn that fasting for more than a day is regarded as an extreme practice, and that Ayurvedic texts don’t provide prescriptions or recommendations for long-term fasts, but rather cautions against fasting, suggesting that fasting practice has been prevalent for a long, long time, and the ancient Ayurveda was already reacting against it.
Frequent 12-24 hour fasts, however are recommended, even prescribed in the Ayurveda. Eating the main meal early in the day is a practice that ancient traditions and modern medicine agree on. Avoiding food for several hours before bedtime is part of yogic practice. For Buddhist monks in the Theravada tradition, all eating is confined to the morning hours, implying a daily fast of 16 hours.
Implications for the clinician, for you and me
I find it remarkable, if no longer quite surprising, that in write-ups of the therapeutic effects of fasting, medical professionals and researchers focus on what we can learn that will help us produce a drug that mimics the benefits of fasting. Fasting is providing all the benefits with little or no downside (except temporary hunger, need for warmer clothing); but medical science is busy search for drugs that will probably target just some of the signals that fasting sends, and will probably have more serious side-effects than fasting. Longo says that the constellation of benefits from fasting “would be difficult to achieve with any pharmacological or other dietary intervention.”
It is deep in the culture of today’s medicine that the patient is passive and it is the doctor who is the agent of healing. Medical professionals de-emphasize all that the patient can do with diet, exercise and life-style modifications to improve his own health, despite the proven power of these regimes. Part of the problem is in the conection to capitalism, which creates a focus on what can be healed profitably, ignoring remedies that cannot be sold.
Fasting and weight loss
It is my experience that I don’t lose weight from fasting, presumably because I eat more before and after a fast. Other people I know have reported similar experiences, and both ancient texts and modern medical advice agree that fasting is not an effective way to lose weight for most people. That doesn’t mean it won’t work for you, if you have experience to the contrary.
Steve Hendricks published in Harpers an account of his own 20-day fast, embedded in a very readable account of some fasting history. Summary here for those without a Harpers subscription.
Personal experience
I’m now in Day 3, and it seems long only psychologically. In my weekly Thursday fasts, I sometimes experience headaches (one week in 5 or 6), and that hasn’t happened. I have the luxury of no busy schedule, no deadlines. That’s a good thing, because productivity on fast days is not reliable. During fasts, I don’t have the focus to be able to write computer code, and writing is often slow. But often deep and creative thoughts are given to me during fasts.
I can sit contentedly for long periods of time without feeling a need to accomplish anything, or even to get up. I tend to a shorter night’s sleep, but enjoy naps during the day. Once in my life I tried public speaking on a day I was fasting, and I won’t do that again. Words come out more slowly, trying the patience of the audience. (My one experience was speaking to the Caloric Restriction Society, and my audience understood and were patient.)
How long is optimal?
I wrote to Valter yesterday, asking this question. Does he have evidence from people suggesting how long it takes for the immune reset? Is it different for people who start with a lot of fat on their bodies compared to people who have nothing in reserve? His answer was short and to the point:
“3 days is optimal for mice. For humans 4-5 minimum, depending on what you are trying to achieve”
You can already tell I have a lot of faith in Valter as a scientist, and it is easy for me to believe that, from his experience, he knows more than he is able to publish. So I’m deep into Day 4 as I finish writing this. I’m a little spacey and my rhythms are disrupted, but I’m not suffering or food-obsessed. I plan to start fruit or juice soon.
Discussion
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I just wanted to chime in here because I'm seeing 3-4 day fasts referred to as being long, when really you're just getting started by that time. I've done two 7-day fasts and most recently a 10-day. I'm talking about water fasting and would highly recommend the coaching of Tallis Barker at waterfasting.org. Wonderful resource.
Why reset the immune system?
In old age Thymus is already going extinct. How would you train new T Cells of rebooted immune system?
Are there any controlled animal studies on this topic? If so, can you publish links?
Very nice and helpful blog and comments.
I watched a video of Dr. Jockers interviewing dr. Ed Group about his experience with water fasting. In that video he mentions that in order to get real results through stem cell regeneration a water fast should be at least 6 days long.
He also mentions a case of (if I remeber correctly. I am not fasting long enough yet to have brain and memory improvements☺) a 40 year old man who water fasted for 14 days and saw most of his vital organs return to the state in which they were when he was around 15 years old. That is amazing and very motivating. Although I don't intend to do a 14 day fast it encouraged me to commit to a 6 day water fast in the course of 2020.
I was just telling my husband that I can't eat 7 days a week! I fast 36 hours a week, often kick off this regime with a 3-5 day fast. Summers are SO easy to do this as we're warm seriously don't need to eat.
Prior to my reboot fasting regime, my stomach was churning at weird times of the day, my bowels were not moving properly. I knew a good old fast would reset and reboot and it certainly is cheaper than a doctor's appointment for churning stomach acid! Yikes! What would they have prescribed???
I have found with this regime and with prayer (Catholic here), I'm so much better off. The 36 hour fast sleep is amazing! I offer this fast as penance and pray and am healed of many aliments because of it. What a wonderful simple tool we have!
Autoimmune disease can go into remission, many functional medicine doctors prove it like Dr. Terry Wahls, Dr. Mark Hyman, Dr. Amy Meyers. I learned so much from reading their books on this topic. The research of Dr. Fasano is often quoted and very powerful. The challenge is that these successful doctors who can assist in the remission via dietary and lifestyle changer, are usually are very expensive and don’t take insurance. Luckily I found a conventionally trained doctor who has the additional training of functional medicine that accepts insurance. I applied the basic principles of impacting the gene expression via the environmental factors. You can read the books they publish. We took a paleo approach with the diet and a rare inflammatory disease, RA, and Hashimoto was put in remission within a year to two. Dr. Jason Fung is having great success with fasting as a patient protocol for type 2 diabetes and thousands are off their medications that they have been on for decades. I believe the variable length for fasting depends on how sick the person may be and the tolerance to the stress of fasting. You must reach autophagy and stem cell rejuvenation which probably means a minimum of maybe 2 but probably 3-5 days? I would see how the results evolve. If I don’t see benefits I would extend the fast or do it more frequently.
It's serendipitous that, on day three of fasting, I find notice of this post in my email. I intend to continue through day four -- perhaps into a fifth day if the stars are in alignment and my will holds. Glad to see the encouragement your post offers.
Excellent comments! Thank you!
Dear Josh, I was diagnosed with Addison's Disease (auto-immune disorder where both adrenal cortices are destroyed) in 2016. My body no longer produces cortisol - which, apparently, one can die without. I have to take a steroid (Cortef) and have gained 50 pounds. I am desperate to "reset" my immune system and get off this horrid medication (which robs the body of bone density and creates vision problems just to name two of the side effects). However, I must avoid going into adrenal crisis (where I start vomiting profusely and am beset with extreme nausea, weakness, and fatigue). I want and need to be healed completely. Addison's Disease patients are classified as "salt losers"; as such, I have been consuming 16 teaspoons per day of "SOLE" (Himalayan pink salt and water immersion) with organic green tea and organic lemon. I have been taking an organic grass-fed/grass-finished organ meat complex which has helped my energy tremendously. In reading some of the comments above, it bespeaks eliminating minerals, vitamins, enzymes, and the like when fasting. I am honestly not sure if I "can" fast 4-5 days because I'm "afraid" I will get so hungry I become nauseous and throw myself into another adrenal crisis. However, if fasting can completely "reset" my immune system, I would like to try it. To be clear, when fasting, can I drink the "SOLE" ? The HP salt obviously has lots of trace minerals, etc. Also, one of the first things Addison's patients are told to do when they feel like a "crisis" is coming on is to consume SALT. What are your thoughts about this? Thank you.
hey don't worry... I followed a 5 day <800 calorie diet.
eat meat & fats for 2 days before the fast so that you enter ketosis faster. then, start your valter longo style diet for 5 days.
the first 3 days are still a pain, on day 4 and 5 you feel great.
Ok, I have a different story to tell. And I'm looking for explanations please - I'm baffled!
Im on day 4 of a water fast. On 2 days I had black coffee in the morning, otherwise only filtered water with small squeeze of fresh lemon. I feel terrible! Each day worse. Nauseous, and feeling really heavy and tired. Last 2 mornings really dizzy. Foggy head, hard to focus. Early on had headaches, not the past 2 days. Waves of intense hunger, but today I can't even think of anything I'd like to eat- all seems gross.
I'm 62. Live a very healthy lifestyle including daily yoga and meditation, and mostly eat loads of raw veggies, nuts and seeds and and quinoa, some fish and meat, sometimes good quality cake/pizza/bread. And eat mostly in a 8 hour window (11-7). I've also often done 24hr fasts with no difficulty.
And, my 28 yr old daughter is doing this too and having a very similar experience!
She also lives/eats healthfully, but probably under a lot more stress. She's 5'8" and around 135lbs. I'm 5'6" around 125lbs. I'm doing the fast to reset the immune system because of Hashimotos (thyroid) issues, she to clear up skin issues (acne).
Oh yes - I'm in the UK, she's in California. And I make a point to text her asking how's she doing before I tell her my story of the day (I'm 8 hours ahead). Haven't wanted to contaminate her experience by telling her mine first.
Anyone have any idea what's going on? Shouldn't we be in ketosis now and feeling good?!
Sarah -
Don't create a painful experience for yourself. You're right, it's not supposed to be like this. Bodies go through all kinds of experiences, and this may not be the right time for a fast. You can try again next month.
If you want to try one more thing first before abandoning the fast - perhaps an enema. Sometimes I've found that that helps. Coffee or epsom salt enema gets the gut moving again.
- Josh
Personally, I would abandon the fast after three days in your situation. Some people can go longer. But I find that three days is max. (I am thin.) Once the body feels like it is tearing itself apart, it it telling you something. You are already thin, and you don't eat a lot of junk food. So your body is already primed to do well. Cut the fast after three days, and eat healthy food to break the fast. Someone who is much heavier may be able to go 20 days with water, since there are lots of reserves to go through. But people who already eat few calories per day don't have this ability, and shouldn't have this ability. It is normal. I would not try the enema idea. You are only going to further stress the body. If you have Hashimoto's disease, then simply follow the doctor's orders and take levothyroxine at the prescribed dosage. Don't try to fix that with a fast. That is not what the fasts are for. I am not a doctor, but I do advise that you follow your doctor's advice. Do not try to fix Hashimoto's disease with a fast.
Have done three or four three-day fasts in the past two years. They help to reset eating habits when I stray toward evening snacking and to resize me into the clothes that make me feel most comfortable. On day three of a fast now, with the intention of moving on to day four -- perhaps a half-day beyond, I am fine, especially when I stop thinking about the pleasure of food (not hunger, however, which interests me considerably).
A type II diabetic, I eliminate Metformin during fasts, and my blood sugar always drops to much more reasonable levels than I typically manage while eating and taking Metformin. It hit levels, after 48 hours this time, of 97 before bed and 109 after rising. Afterwards, I return to Metformin and it seems easier to eat more sensibly and manage my blood glucose better -- A1C dropping from the 6.1-6.2 range down to 5.7-5.9 after each fast, and staying there until I begin to inch away from the best habits and repeat the fasting process to help me maintain better health.
Following a fast, I find easily discernible benefits. Simple salads appear to have an augmented flavor after being away from food during fasts. Indeed, everything tastes richer. Energy levels increase, and my overall sense of well-being improves. I seem to be bothered less by casual illnesses, like colds.
Not necessarily a benefit, but a difference: Time appears to move more slowly during fasts; days begin to take on a dreamlike quality by day three, along with an almost paradoxically increased focus which I find striking. An increased sense of mental clarity initially survives the fast, reminding me to work at sustaining that clarity without the deprivation that enabled it.
Whether or not any of this translates to a rebooted immune system or other payoff, I have hope. In the meantime, occasional fasting offers something of value to me.
Of note, I reduce or sometimes eliminate a daily habit of 3.5 mile walks as I progress through a fast; my physical energy levels seem to drop as fasting time increases, but it rebounds quickly enough when eating resumes.
This thread is growing as old as it is long, but I post to keep it alive, if only for while longer. And that's what we're all striving toward, one imagines.
Anyway, I appreciate this blog and the fascinating posts contained therein. Information is the best tool we have to use against all the human ills that lie in wait.
Thank you for your experience. I'm on day 2 today, and climbed a rugged mountain trail, about 800 feet up, but slowly. I was winded every few steps. My plan is to eat tomorrow night, but who knows? I'm past hunger, but slowed down, mind and body.
- Josh
Don't know if anyone is still following this blog.
Longo is working on putting data on his "Fasting Mimicking Diet" in front of the FDA. He is hoping Doctors will be able to just prescribe it. I think he is working on a pre-chemo indication, but once approved on safety it will be easy to try for other conditions.
In contrast to what some other researchers have found (who believe water only has the best data), Longo has found benefits with a 5 day. Essentially the 5 day fast is the equivalent of eating a medium avocado twice a day. As many have noted however, the biggest thing to overcome in a 5 day fast for most people is fear of not eating.
The other thing to consider is what your objectives are for your fast. 3 days can reset your glycemic response, and put you into ketosis well enough to maintain with a ketotic diet. 5 days for pre-chemo. 5 days likely to get serious autophagy. But human studies are limited. Important to note for anyone reading the animal literature, 48 hours is a very long time for a mouse to fast - losing almost 1/2 their weight- and not equivalent to a human 48 hour fast.
I'm curious about the collection of anecdotes on dermatitis and allergic conditions. Did that ever come to fruition?
Thanks
Well, it's a long time since you first wrote this blog. Are you still fasting? Have you found any great results. On my part I've maintained a fasting regime since 1990. I've done 1 day fasts - 3 days - 5 days - 11 days.
Originally, I was suffering from seasonal allergies, my eyes were so itchy I wanted to pull them out and wash them. It was horrible. So, I fasted a day. That helped, but it did not cure the allergies, then I fasted for 3 days and that did it. I juiced and kept a clean diet, fasting intermittently for prayer (I'm a christian), for health, to lose weight, to gain control of my appetite. Fasting has done me a world of good. I am 56 and look about 10 years younger, though some say I look even younger then that, but mind you, I've been juicing and keeping a pretty clean diet. I go off and have to reboot and fast again, but it always does the same for me. Helps tremendously.
Presently I'm doing a 3 day fast because the allergies came back. I'm not one to take pills for anything, so I am fasting. I'm in the second day and already, my eyes are clear, I am not sneezing. You see, allergies are an immune response, the body thinks it's being attacked as if germs were attacking. I reasoned, long ago, that this could only be because my body is so toxic that it cannot discern what is a germ and what is not. Therefore I fasted. BUT remember, going off the fast I will juice, eat organic produce only, and maintain my exercise routine. There's a lot to living a healthy lifestyle fasting can help.
Three years ago, I was diagnosed with idiopathic neutropenia and had to start seeing a cancer doctor because of it. We did the usual cutting out of the natural
herbs and supplements I take with no response, just continued numbers falling, with small upticks as I made other nutritional and exercise changes. I have researched Valter Longo's work because of this specific blog post and finally decided to bite the bullet and try the four day, water-only fast. I am commenting in hopes that others who didn't have the plenty of energy/no-big-thing reaction others are stating will see another facet of this. As you have said, we all are contributing to gain enough insight to decide what to do with the information.
I want also state something to give context: I have fasted before for my faith tradition, believing that my fasting was having good unseen impact. I did the Spartan Race 4 years ago. I have broken multiple bones in my body. I have built a nutrition product and coaching business that helps provide for my family, and have homeschooled 5 children into successful adults. All of these have required extreme discipline, self-denial, and self-awareness to stay healthy emotionally, physically, and spiritually. I am not a whiner, and I am not a wuss, and I don't cheat.
At 22 hours into my fast, my head started hurting so badly that I had to go home from the event I was at and sleep basically through to the next morning. Because I woke up feeling weak, as expected, I treated myself gently and did not do our planned outing that morning. (Thanks for your words about your weekly Thursday fasting to help me feel better about this decision.) I spent all the day feeling nauseated and headachy and having hot flashes by turns, which my nutritionist training keyed me in that I might be having blood sugar issues, and I got out my Accu-check blood draw system that I use for my clients, and started recording my sugar to make sure I was within range at all times.
When I awoke the next morning and got dressed and went downstairs, I had a bad blood sugar drop that had me hot flashing, shaking, and mentally compromised. There was discussion in this thread that involved a 50 calorie limitation, so I sipped 6 ounces of Gatorade (40 calories--the only thing I could think to consume) and it went back up and the symptoms resolved. I almost ended it all because of that incident, but I knew that I just had eight more hours to be at 72 hours and I hated to see all my hard work, sacrifice, and discomfort not be fulfilled and impact my white blood cell count for the better.
At that point, because of this blog article comment thread, I had my daughter go out and purchase ketostix. It keeps being said here that women only need 48 hours, and I am of good health and weight, but I wanted proof that the ketosis was happening because the glycogen was used up, which I understand from the reading is supposed to start the stem cell activation and cleaning out of the debris/weaker cells. I wish I had started tracking that at the onset of the first headache and throughout, so I could make a more informed decision of when to stop the fast.
I chugged through and ended 3-1/2 hours shy of a full 4x24 hours due to another confirmed episode of hypoglycemia. I had only consumed over that 4 days 2x6 ounces of Gatorade (1 each during hypoglycemic episodes), 1 cup of tea with stevia only, and 1 cup of coffee with stevia, and generous amounts of water. I eased back into a normal diet, and 5 days after breaking the fast had my regular 6-month blood draw for my condition. Unfortunately, I am now lower in all numbers than I was at my reading 12 months ago.
I don't know if Mr. Longo would have further input for me, or be able to place a finger on any error I made. I am just relaying data about my experience. Had the results been different, I would have decided to pursue this further, but with my apparent predisposition to hypoglycemia, I am not likely to place myself in this position again without better monitoring. I feel it is extremely important that people understand that every body is different, and these wonderful testimonials--which I was fully expecting and anticipating being a part of and excited to have the lab results to prove it--need to be tempered with knowing your own limitations and tweaking to keep you healthy.
Thank you for this terrific blog and information.